kansas vs darwin

[mjrod]

evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference?

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 

Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 

It's impossible to dispute God scientifically.

Think about what you're saying before you say it.

[steve dave]

evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference?

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 

Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 

It's impossible to dispute God scientifically.

Think about what you're saying before you say it.

I never disputed God in any one of my posts.  Think about what you post before you make yourself look like an even bigger retard.

[Saulbadguy]

evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference?

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 

Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 

It's impossible to dispute God scientifically.

Think about what you're saying before you say it.

I never disputed God in any one of my posts.  Think about what you post before you make yourself look like an even bigger retard.

Yep, they can co-exist.  Until he is disputed, scientifically.

[Oklahoma_Cat]

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.

[willie]

If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?

People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference?

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 

Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 

It's impossible to dispute God scientifically.

Think about what you're saying before you say it.

Fact.

It is time to just call a spade a spade.  The earth is about 4200 years old and dinosaur bones were planted by satan to cast doubt and tempt us.  Please read the damn Bible people.

[Rick Daris]

guys,

please stop. it's like seeing dad hit mom all over again.  someone here is going to get hurt and i'm going to have to spend the night at my aunt's house. 


let's talk more about what everyone gets at chipotle. and how about their chips. too much salt or not enough? don't get me started.

[McGrowlTowelZac]

If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?

People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.

well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

[Oklahoma_Cat]

guys,

please stop. it's like seeing dad hit mom all over again. 


let's talk more about what everyone gets at chipotle. and how about their chips. too much salt or not enough? don't get me started.

Eh, it's good to have a big "tussle" every once in a while, keeps things fresh.  People get offended and leave, cleans up the "gene pool."

Sounds kinda like evolution, but that doesn't exist.

[Oklahoma_Cat]

If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?

People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.

well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

If I'm going to either vote in favor of:

a) An invisible, all-powerful being that can't be seen or heard

or

b) The idea that creatures change through generations to better fit their surroundings


not that hard, really.  Science has evidence of evolution.  The burden is on you to prove that a god exists, and you can't do that.

[McGrowlTowelZac]

If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?

People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.

well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

If I'm going to either vote in favor of:

a) An invisible, all-powerful being that can't be seen or heard

or

b) The idea that creatures change through generations to better fit their surroundings


not that hard, really.  Science has evidence of evolution.  The burden is on you to prove that a god exists, and you can't do that.

I don't have to prove anything.  You don't have to believe.  If I saw some actual evidence of evolution, that would go along in proving that whole fantasy.

[KSU187]

The viewpoints can co-exist:

The creation story in Genesis is an allegory for the nature of man and his inherent spiritual development not to be taken literally.

Evolution is real.

There done...

[mjrod]

evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference?

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 

Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 

It's impossible to dispute God scientifically.

Think about what you're saying before you say it.

I never disputed God in any one of my posts.  Think about what you post before you make yourself look like an even bigger retard.

I didn't say you were disputing God.   Yes your argument was a strawman.

The idea that you can't disprove something scientifically doesn't make it true in the opposite.

[steve dave]

The idea that you can't disprove something scientifically doesn't make it true in the opposite.

I never said it was.  Everything you've posted has been a strawman.   

[PCR]

Did Darwin disprove the existence of God by showing that the Bible was just a book full of allegorical nonsense stories written by random dudes 2000 years ago?

[steve dave]

Did Darwin disprove the existence of God by showing that the Bible was just a book full of allegorical nonsense stories written by random dudes 2000 years ago?

no

[mjrod]

The idea that you can't disprove something scientifically doesn't make it true in the opposite.

I never said it was.  Everything you've posted has been a strawman.   

Yeah, you did.  You listened to one guy.   Take a look at what you said.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically.

So, is that his words or yours?

[mjrod]

Did Darwin disprove the existence of God by showing that the Bible was just a book full of allegorical nonsense stories written by random dudes 2000 years ago?

Non-sequitur.

[steve dave]

The idea that you can't disprove something scientifically doesn't make it true in the opposite.

I never said it was.  Everything you've posted has been a strawman.   

Yeah, you did.  You listened to one guy.   Take a look at what you said.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically.

So, is that his words or yours?

His, and I agree with him.  Listen, this isn't hard (except for you).  I never said in there The idea that you can't disprove something scientifically makes it true in the opposite.  Hell, I never said it proved anything.  Your strawmen are growing tiresome. 

[KSU187]

Did Darwin disprove the existence of God by showing that the Bible was just a book full of allegorical nonsense stories written by random dudes 2000 years ago?

There are people who believe that the bible is allegorical, historical, metaphysical, and designed to transmit universal spiritual Truth. Not to be taken at its literal face value 100% of the time.  They ask themselves, what is this particular passage trying to shed Light on, and look for the meaning there.

The creation story is obviously trying to transmit a different Truth than the historical account of Joshua and the city Jericho.

Parts of the bible are historical without a doubt.  But even the historical passages and stories have layers of meaning, profound insight and symbology behind them.

There is no reason that one needs to try to prove or disprove the "invisible space or sky monster" (I actually like that...lol)

As the Dali Llama points out in his book "The Universe is A Single Atom", science and spirituality are converging closer and closer,(also see The Language of God about the Human Genome Project)

In my opinion, it is because of retards on both sides want to keep bitching at each other about inconsequencial bulls1t. 

The hardcore "dawinists" that look down from an intellectual hilltop in a condescending fashion at religious people, as well as the religious people who condemn and judge the "darwinists".

Schools should not teach something that can't be studied using the Scientific Method (as far as I can tell Creationism can't stand up under that type of scrutiny)...

Either way, dumbasses on both sides keep spinning this debate in to a never ending pissing match that has no end in sight.

If you want your kids to learn about Creationism, and God -  Send them to private schools....they're better from an academic and developmental standpoint anyway.(see Kansas City Missouri School District- a beacon of public education)

Oh, and Jesus hates you PCR 

[PCR]

I'm Catholic, so I'm going to hell anyway.

But the debate does matter, in that it has an influence on public policy.  Sorry that's going off to tippecanoe territory....

[KSU187]

What horrific public policy might be implemented?

The possibility that Creationism is taught in the background while 15 year olds who don't pay attention anyways eye-rape every girl in the class and think about what is on MTV that night.

[PCR]

What horrific public policy might be implemented?

The possibility that Creationism is taught in the background while 15 year olds who don't pay attention anyways eye-rape every girl in the class and think about what is on MTV that night.

ahh high school... good thing I never became a teacher

But as for public policy--this sort of thing gives people the "right" in their own minds to discount the value of scientific research, and just assume that whatever they pulled out of their ass or read in scripture is every bit as valid.  Scientists aren't infallible, but they (the honest ones) come to conclusions based on the evidence presented to them.  (please let's not turn this into a global warming debate kthxbi)

[McGrowlTowelZac]

What horrific public policy might be implemented?

The possibility that Creationism is taught in the background while 15 year olds who don't pay attention anyways eye-rape every girl in the class and think about what is on MTV that night.

ahh high school... good thing I never became a teacher

But as for public policy--this sort of thing gives people the "right" in their own minds to discount the value of scientific research, and just assume that whatever they pulled out of their ass or read in scripture is every bit as valid.  Scientists aren't infallible, but they (the honest ones) come to conclusions based on the evidence presented to them.  (please let's not turn this into a global warming debate kthxbi)

Scientists aren't infallible.  Even the good ones will tell you they don't know how life began, and it they tell you they do know, its no different than someone telling you they do know God exists.  Either one is a leap of faith.  There is evidence to support intelligent design, as well as plenty of evidence against darwinism and evolution( macro-evolution atleast.)

[KSU187]

I actually agree with you.

While there is evidence to support it, Like I said earlier, Creationism can't pass the true litmus test of the Scientific Method, or hold up under basic, objective, un-biased scrutiny, therefore does not belong in the public school system. 

If you want your kids to learn Creationism, plenty of churches, synagouges, private schools, pastors and priests can explain it to them, and are more apt to offer the "alternative to evolution"

Besides, if you believe in Creationism, and want it taught, why would you want a god-hating biased Biology teacher (who's pissed off about teaching it) to be the one to present the matieral anyways.

[Perry]

guys,

please stop. it's like seeing dad hit mom all over again.  someone here is going to get hurt and i'm going to have to spend the night at my aunt's house. 


let's talk more about what everyone gets at chipotle. and how about their chips. too much salt or not enough? don't get me started.

Which came first, the chips or the salsa?   

[jmlynch1]

If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?

People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.

well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

LOL
Somebody took that crapty philosophy of religion class at KSU.

[McGrowlTowelZac]

If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?

People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.

well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

LOL
Somebody took that crapty philosophy of religion class at KSU.

still an interesting thought...but no class at ksu, thats just basic youth group logic

[steve dave]

If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?

People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.

well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

LOL
Somebody took that crapty philosophy of religion class at KSU.

still an interesting thought...but no class at ksu, thats just basic youth group logic

What happens if someone makes up a religion where you go to Heaven II which is twice as awesome as Christian heaven.  You go to Hell II if you don't believe which is twice as crappy as Christian hell.   

[PCR]

If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?

People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.

well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

LOL
Somebody took that crapty philosophy of religion class at KSU.

still an interesting thought...but no class at ksu, thats just basic youth group logic

What happens if someone makes up a religion where you go to Heaven II which is twice as awesome as Christian heaven.  You go to Hell II if you don't believe which is twice as crappy as Christian hell.   

You call it Islam.