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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: featurethefullback on January 17, 2009, 08:10:42 PM
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Can't coach, bad staff, can't recruit (without Hill), plays favorites, stubborn, poor judge of talent, doesn't fit K-State. Oh for the days of Wooley
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Martin can coach very well in my opinion. again, you people just expect too much and it's beyond hilarious
you should have melted down here
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=26006.msg335340#msg335340
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Martin can coach very well in my opinion. again, you people just expect too much and it's beyond hilarious
you should have melted down here
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=26006.msg335340#msg335340
+1 imo
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Can't coach, bad staff, can't recruit (without Hill), plays favorites, stubborn, poor judge of talent, doesn't fit K-State. Oh for the days of Wooley
featurethefullback is powertard
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prince could never dream of recruiting as well as frank & co. do.
-dude
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Do f^cking retards (most of our fanbase) know what Ron Prince would have done with Elite talent?
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At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference. But then again, Ron did recruit Raheem to coach for him and he seems to be doing pretty good right now.
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Martin can coach very well in my opinion. again, you people just expect too much and it's beyond hilarious
you should have melted down here
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=26006.msg335340#msg335340
I did.
I didn't expect a great class, especially after missing out on the HS kids, but this JUCO class really isn't even good. It's well below average. I wanted a "bridge" class to get us to '09, but this is more like that bridge that collapsed in Minnesota. I guess I just expected Figgers and Underwood to do more/help more with this class, given their alleged JUCO connections.
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At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.
That is the difference between the very best coach in any major sport and the very worst coach in any major sport. But, yeah, prolly the only difference.
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At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.
That is the difference between the very best coach in any major sport and the very worst coach in any major sport. But, yeah, prolly the only difference.
So you are saying the ony difference between Coach K at Duke and the coach at Chicago St is the recruits? Not sure how that works out...
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At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.
That is the difference between the very best coach in any major sport and the very worst coach in any major sport. But, yeah, prolly the only difference.
So you are saying the ony difference between Coach K at Duke and the coach at Chicago St is the recruits? Not sure how that works out...
explain Florida not making the Tourney (after winning back2back titles) without using the word recruiting or recruits. TIA.
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At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.
That is the difference between the very best coach in any major sport and the very worst coach in any major sport. But, yeah, prolly the only difference.
So you are saying the ony difference between Coach K at Duke and the coach at Chicago St is the recruits? Not sure how that works out...
explain Florida not making the Tourney for two years in a row (after winning back2back titles) without using the word recruiting or recruits. TIA.
Fantastic post
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So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???
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So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???
Wildcat Loss :users:
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So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???
Wildcat Loss :users:
:bs:
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So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???
Wildcat Loss :users:
:bs:
:powertard:
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Martinites . . . UNITE!!
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So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???
Wildcat Loss :users:
:bs:
you're right, it is BS, Coack K and KSU win because Coach K would have ran out Singler instead of Samuels, Scheyer instead of Clemente, Henderson instead of Sutton, Smith instead of Pullen, and Zoubek instead of Colon.
...ya know, better f'ing recruits/players.
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But the funniest part is that the Martinites have now got KSU hoops dumbed down to KSU maybe finishing in the upper half of the Big 12 and maybe making the NCAA no earlier than 2010-2011 and really more like 2011-2012.
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But the funniest part is that the Martinites have now got KSU hoops dumbed down to KSU maybe finishing in the upper half of the Big 12 and maybe making the NCAA no earlier than 2010-2011 and really more like 2011-2012.
Who said that?
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So if Coach K was in Lincoln today coaching the Cats, how would it have played out???
Wildcat Loss :users:
:bs:
you're right, it is BS, Coack K and KSU win because Coach K would have ran out Singler instead of Samuels, Scheyer instead of Clemente, Henderson instead of Sutton, Smith instead of Pullen, and Zoubek instead of Colon.
...ya know, better f'ing recruits/players.
maybe k is on to something with this snowcoat thing?
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Seems to be the general lean of Chekksucat's aka Fatty's posts.
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So the coaching makes no difference at all?? How did Bobby Knight go to Texas Tech and turn that program around instantly and start making tournament appearances..it wasn't because he had the best recruits.
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Martinites . . . UNITE!!
OK completely serious here. if the people NOT melting down tonight are Martinites, what are you? Are you officially done with Martin? If not, then what should be done? I don't see how you have a position that is any more clear-headed than anyone else around here. Who or what are you valiantly raging against? :confused:
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So the coaching makes no difference at all?? How did Bobby Knight go to Texas Tech and turn that program around instantly and start making tournament appearances..it wasn't because he had the best recruits.
Martin made the NCAA second round his first season taking over the reigns of a team that hadn't even been to the NCAAs in for f^cking ever. By your flawed logic that was a god damned coaching miracle.
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Martinites . . . UNITE!!
OK completely serious here. if the people NOT melting down tonight are Martinites, what are you? Are you officially done with Martin? If not, then what should be done? I don't see how you have a position that is any more clear-headed than anyone else around here. Who or what are you valiantly raging against? :confused:
Chin . . . yet another resident drama queen.
I just LOL at how some on here defend a very poor series of coaching efforts. K-State does not have a great team, but there is more to work with there than what is being shown on the floor . . . an no amount of flailing around about how KSU didn't recruit well during a couple of periods in recent years, and how Beas and Walker aren't still around anymore, or trying to say I want the Triangle offense back is going to change that reality. As of right now, this is not a well coached team . . . period.
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LOL @ dax calling someone else a drama queen, when he's the only one even remotely melting down over this game.
(his response to this will include something about Obama)
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Seems to be the general lean of Chekksucat's aka Fatty's posts.
Martin made the NCAA second round his first season taking over the reigns of a team that hadn't even been to the NCAAs in for f^cking ever. By your flawed logic that was a god damned coaching miracle.
I guess you will come absolutely unglued when I laugh a little at getting run out of the gym in the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney with a team with Bill Walker and Mike Beasley on it.
Your problem is that I've actually seen teams at K-State with good basketball players, but much less talent actually make it to the Sweet 16 and the Elite 8, and don't give me any crap about how the game has changed, because that wasn't that long ago, and the game hasn't changed that much.
OC . . . Christ you embellish everything. Melting down is calling for Martin to be fired, or if you want to see a real meltdown, read some of BMW's posts, or Shuttleworth's after a Ron Prince coached football game. I've seen meltdowns, and I am not melting down. Geezus . . . :banghead:
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You are right Dax...this is not a very well coached team right now and You do have every right to melt down if you want after the pathetic showing in Lincoln today...can't wait to see what happens against Baylor
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Martinites . . . UNITE!!
OK completely serious here. if the people NOT melting down tonight are Martinites, what are you? Are you officially done with Martin? If not, then what should be done? I don't see how you have a position that is any more clear-headed than anyone else around here. Who or what are you valiantly raging against? :confused:
Chin . . . yet another resident drama queen.
I just LOL at how some on here defend a very poor series of coaching efforts. K-State does not have a great team, but there is more to work with there than what is being shown on the floor . . . an no amount of flailing around about how KSU didn't recruit well during a couple of periods in recent years, and how Beas and Walker aren't still around anymore, or trying to say I want the Triangle offense back is going to change that reality. As of right now, this is not a well coached team . . . period.
Was the Jack Hartman teams from basically 82/83 season through the 85/86 seasons poorly coached? I mean, the dude was the greatest KSU basketball coach ever yet didn't make the NCAA and finished no higher than 5th out of 8 f'ing teams during that stretch. Or was it because Ro wasn't there? or Mike Evans, Curtis Redding, Lon Kruger, Chuckie Williams?
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You do have every right to melt down
I agree, Dax is melting down
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Martinites . . . UNITE!!
OK completely serious here. if the people NOT melting down tonight are Martinites, what are you? Are you officially done with Martin? If not, then what should be done? I don't see how you have a position that is any more clear-headed than anyone else around here. Who or what are you valiantly raging against? :confused:
Chin . . . yet another resident drama queen.
I just LOL at how some on here defend a very poor series of coaching efforts. K-State does not have a great team, but there is more to work with there than what is being shown on the floor . . . an no amount of flailing around about how KSU didn't recruit well during a couple of periods in recent years, and how Beas and Walker aren't still around anymore, or trying to say I want the Triangle offense back is going to change that reality. As of right now, this is not a well coached team . . . period.
Was the Jack Hartman teams from basically 82/83 season through the 85/86 seasons poorly coached? I mean, the dude was the greatest KSU basketball coach ever yet didn't make the NCAA and finished no higher than 5th out of 8 f'ing teams. Or was it because Ro wasn't there? or Mike Evans, Curtis Redding, Lon Kruger, Chuckie Williams?
LOL . . . when did I say that you didn't need talent to win?? But since you bring it up, one of Hartman's greatest teams didn't start a guy over 6-5. Plus, none of the guys you mentioned were all world studs, they were just good basketball players who were very well coached.
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You do have every right to melt down
I agree, Dax is melting down
You might get a chance to spoon with Fatty tonight if you drive fast.
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one of Hartman's greatest teams didn't start a guy over 6-5.
Sounds like NU. Difference is I think Sadler is a better Xs and Os guy than Hartman. Prolly won't help him win NU's first ever NCAA game though.
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Martinites . . . UNITE!!
OK completely serious here. if the people NOT melting down tonight are Martinites, what are you? Are you officially done with Martin? If not, then what should be done? I don't see how you have a position that is any more clear-headed than anyone else around here. Who or what are you valiantly raging against? :confused:
Chin . . . yet another resident drama queen.
I just LOL at how some on here defend a very poor series of coaching efforts. K-State does not have a great team, but there is more to work with there than what is being shown on the floor . . . an no amount of flailing around about how KSU didn't recruit well during a couple of periods in recent years, and how Beas and Walker aren't still around anymore, or trying to say I want the Triangle offense back is going to change that reality. As of right now, this is not a well coached team . . . period.
Was the Jack Hartman teams from basically 82/83 season through the 85/86 seasons poorly coached? I mean, the dude was the greatest KSU basketball coach ever yet didn't make the NCAA and finished no higher than 5th out of 8 f'ing teams. Or was it because Ro wasn't there? or Mike Evans, Curtis Redding, Lon Kruger, Chuckie Williams?
LOL . . . when did I say that you didn't need talent to win?? But since you bring it up, one of Hartman's greatest teams didn't start a guy over 6-5. Plus, none of the guys you mentioned were all world studs, they were just good basketball players who were very well coached.
so Lon Kruger was the Big 8 Player of the year (TWICE) because Jack coached'em up? I don't give a sh*t if he coached a band of midgets to the tourney, he f'ing sucked once talented players didn't come to KSU. That's the point. KSU doesn't even have 2nd team All Big 12 caliber players on it this year. Jack was running around with NBA players and All Big 8 players.
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Martin can coach very well in my opinion.
You also thought Prince was a good X's & O's coach. :shy:
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What I don't get is this: if you think Frank is a terrible coach, why WOULDN'T you want him fired? It makes no sense to me. I don't want him fired, so I can't really logically think he's a terrible coach.
Thread after countless thread about how horrid our "high school" coach is makes no sense if you don't want him fired.
I would respect you a lot more if you just admit you want him fired. I can understand that position.
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one of Hartman's greatest teams didn't start a guy over 6-5.
Sounds like NU. Difference is I think Sadler is a better Xs and Os guy than Hartman. Prolly won't help him win NU's first ever NCAA game though.
LOL
Steve is :curse:
Chin . . . why would I want him fired, didn't I not say in another thread that it's on the job training for the guy??
Right now, he's behind the curve though, he's pretty much clueless as to what to do with this team. We'll see if that changes.
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Steve is :curse:
You are the one melting down bro. I'm very :sleep: about this game. It's very relaxing to be sd.
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Steve is :curse:
You are the one melting down bro. I'm very :sleep: about this game. It's very relaxing to be sd.
I'd like a study done on the relaxation factor of visors/shell necklaces. I'd imagine that it impacts a person's relaxation at least 20%
:love:
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Martinites . . . UNITE!!
OK completely serious here. if the people NOT melting down tonight are Martinites, what are you? Are you officially done with Martin? If not, then what should be done? I don't see how you have a position that is any more clear-headed than anyone else around here. Who or what are you valiantly raging against? :confused:
Chin . . . yet another resident drama queen.
I just LOL at how some on here defend a very poor series of coaching efforts. K-State does not have a great team, but there is more to work with there than what is being shown on the floor . . . an no amount of flailing around about how KSU didn't recruit well during a couple of periods in recent years, and how Beas and Walker aren't still around anymore, or trying to say I want the Triangle offense back is going to change that reality. As of right now, this is not a well coached team . . . period.
Was the Jack Hartman teams from basically 82/83 season through the 85/86 seasons poorly coached? I mean, the dude was the greatest KSU basketball coach ever yet didn't make the NCAA and finished no higher than 5th out of 8 f'ing teams. Or was it because Ro wasn't there? or Mike Evans, Curtis Redding, Lon Kruger, Chuckie Williams?
LOL . . . when did I say that you didn't need talent to win?? But since you bring it up, one of Hartman's greatest teams didn't start a guy over 6-5. Plus, none of the guys you mentioned were all world studs, they were just good basketball players who were very well coached.
so Lon Kruger was the Big 8 Player of the year (TWICE) because Jack coached'em up? I don't give a sh*t if he coached a band of midgets to the tourney, he f'ing sucked once talented players didn't come to KSU. That's the point. KSU doesn't even have 2nd team All Big 12 caliber players on it this year. Jack was running around with NBA players and All Big 8 players.
Okay . . . well if you want to tell yourself that Hartman's teams were loaded with all world talent than go ahead. Plus LOL if you don't think there aren't several guys on this team that if they pull their head out of their ass and start playing smarter aren't capable of challenging for at least 2nd team All Big 12.
Plus, you take Hill away from Martin, add another 20 years, give him health problems, and I can gurantee you Jack Hartman whose tenure ended under the same conditions would coach circles around him.
sd . . . I can tell just by your comments you're getting all :angry: . . . but hey, you keep telling us you're all :sleep: LOL.
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Steve is :curse:
You are the one melting down bro. I'm very :sleep: about this game. It's very relaxing to be sd.
I'd like a study done on the relaxation factor of visors/shell necklaces. I'd imagine that it impacts a person's relaxation at least 20%
:love:
Both incredibly calming
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who knew dax was such a gigantic powertard?
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who knew dax was such a gigantic powertard?
No more powertard than the people that get all :curse: when somebody mentions that Frank's coaching just might pretty much suck balls right now.
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Okay . . . well if you want to tell yourself that Hartman's teams were loaded with all world talent than go ahead. Plus LOL if you don't think there aren't several guys on this team that if they pull their head out of their ass and start playing smarter aren't capable of challenging for at least 2nd team All Big 12.
Plus, you take Hill away from Martin, add another 20 years, give him health problems, and I can gurantee you Jack Hartman whose tenure ended under the same conditions would coach circles around him.
what I'm telling myself is that Frank needs to recruit better. there's pretty much a correlation between talent and winning. Like, Wooden is the greatest coach ever who, not coincidentally, had some of the best talent ever (mostly paid and bought). so maybe Frank isn't the best "coach"? maybe. but I really just can't stand the "coach'em up" crap. it's the same with snyder.
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The only reason people still think Frank Mangino can coach is because we beat ku last year.
Go ahead and :powertard: me, don't really care
Frank - 0-6 against BCS basketball schools this season
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The only reason people still think Frank Mangino can coach is because we beat ku last year.
Go ahead and :powertard: me, don't really care
Frank - 0-6 against BCS basketball schools this season
what exactly is a bcs basketball school :confused:
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If all you need is talent, than there should be at least 5-7 National Championship banners hanging in Hofheinz Pavilion at the University of Houston, and Lou Henson should've hung at least 2 or 3 in Assembly Hall.
Wooden had awesome players, a corrupt "friend of the program" . . . but he also had a great system, and built teams that had great chemistry. He last national title team was pretty good, but not really all that talented compared to some of the other ones he had.
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If all you need is talent, than there should be at least 5-7 National Championship banners hanging in Hofheinz Pavilion at the University of Houston, and Lou Henson should've hung at least 2 or 3 in Assembly Hall.
Wooden had awesome players, a corrupt "friend of the program" . . . but he also had a great system, and built teams that had great chemistry. He last national title team was pretty good, but not really all that talented compared to some of the other ones he had.
no ones saying it's ALL you have to have, but some would help. This team doesn't have anyone at an All Big 12 level. Not one. And probably no one at a 2nd team All Big 12 either. Maybe when they're seniors they'll develop into that, but who knows.
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If all you need is talent, than there should be at least 5-7 National Championship banners hanging in Hofheinz Pavilion at the University of Houston, and Lou Henson should've hung at least 2 or 3 in Assembly Hall.
Wooden had awesome players, a corrupt "friend of the program" . . . but he also had a great system, and built teams that had great chemistry. He last national title team was pretty good, but not really all that talented compared to some of the other ones he had.
no ones saying it's ALL you have to have, but some would help. This team doesn't have anyone at an All Big 12 level. Not one. And probably no one at a 2nd team All Big 12 either. Maybe when they're seniors they'll develop into that, but who knows.
Okay, well if that's what you need to tell yourself.
So let me get this straight . . . as of right now we don't have any all Big 12 players (in a league with lots of talent) so that translates into looking like a bunch of asshats, committing 21 turnovers, and losing by 20 at Nebraska.
Got ya.
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dax do you ever not b1tch after a loss?
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dax do you ever not b1tch after a loss?
www.gopowercat.com (http://www.gopowercat.com)
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dax do you ever not b1tch after a loss?
www.gopowercat.com (http://www.gopowercat.com)
huh? :powertard: :rolleyes:
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That's clearly the place for you chief.
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dax do you ever not b1tch after a loss?
www.gopowercat.com (http://www.gopowercat.com)
You are using that incorrectly dax. The entire GPC board is melting down just like you are right now.
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If all you need is talent, than there should be at least 5-7 National Championship banners hanging in Hofheinz Pavilion at the University of Houston, and Lou Henson should've hung at least 2 or 3 in Assembly Hall.
Wooden had awesome players, a corrupt "friend of the program" . . . but he also had a great system, and built teams that had great chemistry. He last national title team was pretty good, but not really all that talented compared to some of the other ones he had.
no ones saying it's ALL you have to have, but some would help. This team doesn't have anyone at an All Big 12 level. Not one. And probably no one at a 2nd team All Big 12 either. Maybe when they're seniors they'll develop into that, but who knows.
Okay, well if that's what you need to tell yourself.
So let me get this straight . . . as of right now we don't have any all Big 12 players (in a league with lots of talent) so that translates into looking like a bunch of asshats, committing 21 turnovers, and losing by 20 at Nebraska.
Got ya.
If NU ends up going to the Tourney, then we should fire Frank. Otherwise, let's all do some meth and relax. I'm not saying that Frank doesn't have obvious flaws, I'm just saying that the focus should be on recruiting.....be pissed that Self landed Little instead of Frank....be pissed that Frank gave a f'ing scholarship to a kid that couldn't make it through a quarter of a basketball season...be pissed that the other JUCO recruit that Frank brought in this year sucks.....don't get pissed about losing @ NU. Huggins did it too with a far better, more experienced team. I thought we should win, but I'm not pissed that we didn't, or rather I'm not pissed because the team turned it over 21 times, I'm pissed about the players we currently have sucking.
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Unless your name is Bob Huggins, Bob Knight, Roy Williams or Mike K, then no coaching doesn't make a big difference. All the other coaches are basically the same +/- a few wins a year. The difference is the players. ku goes back to the tourney 30 years straight because of the name on the front of the jersey. And news flash this years team is full of terrible/underdeveloped players.
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That's clearly the place for you chief.
yes, because I'm not bitching and don't think the world is coming to an end. :Driving:
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That's clearly the place for you chief.
yes, because I'm not bitching and don't think the world is coming to an end. :Driving:
Pure Powertard.
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That's clearly the place for you chief.
yes, because I'm not bitching and don't think the world is coming to an end. :Driving:
Pure Powertard.
oh dax, I love you too.
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At this time, the recruiting appears to be the only difference.
That is the difference between the very best coach in any major sport and the very worst coach in any major sport. But, yeah, prolly the only difference.
So you are saying the ony difference between Coach K at Duke and the coach at Chicago St is the recruits? Not sure how that works out...
The reason Billy Donovan totally backed out on his deal with the Magic to come back to Florida basically starts and ends with the thought of, "Holy frack; I may actually have to coach now."
It's not hard to win back to back titles with three lottery picks in your starting lineup.
explain Florida not making the Tourney (after winning back2back titles) without using the word recruiting or recruits. TIA.
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I would have to agree the coaching sucks this year. Or, the players just don't get it. I haven't decided which it is. But I would have to assume that 21 turnovers would be a split down the middle from not being prepaired (coaches fault) to just haveing sucktastic players (players fault) I've posted this before this team is in need of a player who can dribble with out losing the ball off of his foot or another players foot. He needs to sit down in the off season and rethink his X's and O's.
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My only beef w/ Martin is it doesn't seem like they're playing hard.
Nothing else this season has been unexpected.
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My only beef w/ Martin is it doesn't seem like they're playing hard.
Nothing else this season has been unexpected.
Don't you think Frank is coaching them as hard as he can? :ugh:
That's the problem, imo. He's coaching too hard. Coaches who coach too much can get in the way and hold players back. For example, taking a good player out of the game on his first frack up is a great way to hold a player back and get him scared to do anything the next time he goes in. If he has athletic ability, the only way to get him to be a seasoned Big 12 player and over excessive mistakes is to give him experience to grow his confidence in what he's doing and perhaps actually enjoy playing. What kind of confidence do you think he is building in his players by yanking them after every mistake? That creates a never ending cycle of mistakes and tentative play when they do go in. When you're trying to correct simple turnovers and bad decisions, experience and confidence is everything. He just needs to let his "players" play. He needs to start his best athletes and let them work through it themselves instead of this carousel of substitutes with crappier players, which kills the fluidity of the offense. Building depth is overrated in basketball.
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My only beef w/ Martin is it doesn't seem like they're playing hard.
Nothing else this season has been unexpected.
Don't you think Frank is coaching them as hard as he can? :ugh:
That's the problem, imo. He's coaching too hard. Coaches who coach too much can get in the way and hold players back. For example, taking a good player out of the game on his first frack up is a great way to hold a player back and get him scared to do anything the next time he goes in. If he has athletic ability, the only way to get him to be a seasoned Big 12 player and over excessive mistakes is to give him experience to grow his confidence in what he's doing and perhaps actually enjoy playing. What kind of confidence do you think he is building in his players by yanking them after every mistake? That creates a never ending cycle of mistakes and tentative play when they do go in. When you're trying to correct simple turnovers and bad decisions, experience and confidence is everything. He just needs to let his "players" play. He needs to start his best athletes and let them work through it themselves instead of this carousel of substitutes with crappier players, which kills the fluidity of the offense. Building depth is overrated in basketball.
you have summed up my one collective beef with Martin to a T :clap:
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Can't coach, bad staff, can't recruit (without Hill), plays favorites, stubborn, poor judge of talent, doesn't fit K-State. Oh for the days of Wooley
You people... :banghead:
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So the coaching makes no difference at all?? How did Bobby Knight go to Texas Tech and turn that program around instantly and start making tournament appearances..it wasn't because he had the best recruits.
Martin made the NCAA second round his first season taking over the reigns of a team that hadn't even been to the NCAAs in for f^cking ever. By your flawed logic that was a god damned coaching miracle.
If you don't think coaching makes any sort of difference, you don't know sh*t about basketball. Martin inherited Michael F'ing Beasley and Bill Walker... that's the reason you guys barely snuck into the NCAA tourney last season.
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So the coaching makes no difference at all?? How did Bobby Knight go to Texas Tech and turn that program around instantly and start making tournament appearances..it wasn't because he had the best recruits.
Martin made the NCAA second round his first season taking over the reigns of a team that hadn't even been to the NCAAs in for f^cking ever. By your flawed logic that was a god damned coaching miracle.
If you don't think coaching makes any sort of difference, you don't know sh*t about basketball. Martin inherited Michael F'ing Beasley and Bill Walker... that's the reason you guys barely snuck into the NCAA tourney last season.
You completely missed the reason for my post. Completely. Rare for BMW to make such an oversight.
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So the coaching makes no difference at all?? How did Bobby Knight go to Texas Tech and turn that program around instantly and start making tournament appearances..it wasn't because he had the best recruits.
Martin made the NCAA second round his first season taking over the reigns of a team that hadn't even been to the NCAAs in for f^cking ever. By your flawed logic that was a god damned coaching miracle.
If you don't think coaching makes any sort of difference, you don't know sh*t about basketball. Martin inherited Michael F'ing Beasley and Bill Walker... that's the reason you guys barely snuck into the NCAA tourney last season.
You completely missed the reason for my post. Completely. Rare for BMW to make such an oversight.
In a way only someone w/ intelligence (michigancat, stevedave, etc.) can recognize, he actually agreed with you. :dunno:
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I agree that coaching has been a problem, but I think our young team is a huge part of it too. Melting down, calling people "martinites," and posting "powertard approved" after every post that doesn't agree with you is just retarded though.
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I agree that coaching has been a problem, but I think our young team is a huge part of it too. Melting down, calling people "martinites," and posting "powertard approved" after every post that doesn't agree with you is just retarded though.
No different than the people who get all defensive if anyone thinks that Frank is doing a $hitty job coaching. Frank himself admitted after the game he did a $hit job of coaching the team.