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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on January 02, 2009, 09:02:55 PM
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2004-61st
2005-Tied for 59th
2006-55th
2007-71st
2008-60th
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
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Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything.
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Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything.
No, you are just a gigantic dumbass. (serious)
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Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything.
No, you are just a gigantic dumbass. (serious)
Damn you get pissed off easy, must be the Iraqi in you Chekksu.
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i hope ksu's coaches can coach'em up the way utah's coaches are coaching 'em up. lot of coaching going on in this game. i bet urban meyer coached up utah's coach before the game which is why utah is winning; saban didn't have bear bryant to coach him up before the game.
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Yep, if Utah wins this will be their 8th straight bowl win and 2nd BCS bowl win in 5 years, lot of coaching up going on at that 4 and 5* star haven UTAH.
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Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything.
No, you are just a gigantic dumbass. (serious)
Damn you get pissed off easy, must be the Iraqi in you Chekksu.
Why would me calling you a gigantic dumbass mean I am pissed off? You are. 99.9% of your posts are complete sh*t.
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Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything.
No, you are just a gigantic dumbass. (serious)
Damn you get pissed off easy, must be the Iraqi in you Chekksu.
Why would me calling you a gigantic dumbass mean I am pissed off? You are. 99.9% of your posts are complete sh*t.
Shouldn't you be over glory holing tigerboard Chek??
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fattyfatfat is just jealous because coeds aren't wearing "Are you fatty4KSU?" shirts.
-dude
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fattyfatfat is just jealous because coeds aren't wearing "Are you fatty4KSU?" shirts.
-dude
qft . . . I freakin rock.
fatty (home alone again on a Friday night) . . . not so much.
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.
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how does the gloryhole thing work? do you just show up and stick your think through the hole and then it's like a 50/50 shot as to whether there's a dude or not on the other side? all the movies I see there's a fantastically slutty girl waiting on the other side, but you know how movies are.
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how does the gloryhole thing work? do you just show up and stick your think through the hole and then it's like a 50/50 shot as to whether there's a dude or not on the other side? all the movies I see there's a fantastically slutty girl waiting on the other side, but you know how movies are.
ask chekksucat . . . the queen of tigerboard.
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To get the thread back on track before chekksucat the queen of tigerboard got all :curse:.
Utah . . . 0 5* and 4 4* the last 5 recruiting classes.
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
coaches win because they can do 2 things:
1 - recruit (includes player evaluation) players
2 - develop players
the ones that can do both are great coaches. star rankings are irrelevant (though it's fun to make fun of the 2* nobodies and get excited for the 4* somebodies). pointing out the 4and 5* busts that KSU has had is not a good way to say "hey you can't trust rivals rankings" it's probably a better way to say "hey your coaches either can't evaluate or can't develop players" because regardless of the guy's star ranking our coaches gave him a scholarship and he turned out to be sh*t.
KSU fielded outstanding teams that didn't have "highly" rated recruiting classes, but it wasn't because they weren't good players and magically Bill coached'em up, it was because Bill had assistants that were good evaluators of talent and could develop players. those coaches are currently in norman and lawrence and south florida.
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.
Is it really? Go check ku's recruiting since 2005 and look at ours. Would you say that is rivals just over rating our recruits and under rating ku's? Or does ku have a staff that can develop players, while we had a coach that talked a lot?
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.
Is it really? Go check ku's recruiting since 2005 and look at ours. Would you say that is rivals just over rating our recruits and under rating ku's?
Yes. Absolutely.
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Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything.
No, you are just a gigantic dumbass. (serious)
Damn you get pissed off easy, must be the Iraqi in you Chekksu.
Why would me calling you a gigantic dumbass mean I am pissed off? You are. 99.9% of your posts are complete sh*t.
qft. You are wise Fatty.
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
coaches win because they can do 2 things:
1 - recruit (includes player evaluation) players
2 - develop players
the ones that can do both are great coaches. star rankings are irrelevant (though it's fun to make fun of the 2* nobodies and get excited for the 4* somebodies). pointing out the 4and 5* busts that KSU has had is not a good way to say "hey you can't trust rivals rankings" it's probably a better way to say "hey your coaches either can't evaluate or can't develop players" because regardless of the guy's star ranking our coaches gave him a scholarship and he turned out to be sh*t.
KSU fielded outstanding teams that didn't have "highly" rated recruiting classes, but it wasn't because they weren't good players and magically Bill coached'em up, it was because Bill had assistants that were good evaluators of talent and could develop players. those coaches are currently in norman and lawrence and south florida.
Exactly. Evaluating talent and developing that talent isn't under the recruiting banner in my book. When you find that gem that others are passing on, it doesn't take a lot of effort to get him signed, because he is usually thrilled that a D1 school is that interested. So many on this board can only talk about finding coaches that are all-star recruiters like that will get us back to the top. It didn't work like that under Bill Snyder I and it won't work like that under Snyder II either.
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Brian Johnson . . . Utah QB, 2 star, Baytown, TX.
Other offers, Louisiana Tech, and Illinois.
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Exactly. Evaluating talent and developing that talent isn't under the recruiting banner in my book. When you find that gem that others are passing on, it doesn't take a lot of effort to get him signed, because he is usually thrilled that a D1 school is that interested. So many on this board can only talk about finding coaches that are all-star recruiters like that will get us back to the top. It didn't work like that under Bill Snyder I and it won't work like that under Snyder II either.
this is the opposite of what i'm talking about. you still have to beat other schools for recruits. filling your roster full of kids that nobody wanted is what Ron Prince tried to do.
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.
Is it really? Go check ku's recruiting since 2005 and look at ours. Would you say that is rivals just over rating our recruits and under rating ku's?
Yes. Absolutely.
Ok, I'm convinced. Basically we can explain anything by saying Rivals goofed. Cool. I'm so relieved, because for a minute there I thought we may have to coach and stuff. But this is going to be easy. Just like working in sales.
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
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Exactly. Evaluating talent and developing that talent isn't under the recruiting banner in my book. When you find that gem that others are passing on, it doesn't take a lot of effort to get him signed, because he is usually thrilled that a D1 school is that interested. So many on this board can only talk about finding coaches that are all-star recruiters like that will get us back to the top. It didn't work like that under Bill Snyder I and it won't work like that under Snyder II either.
this is the opposite of what i'm talking about. you still have to beat other schools for recruits. filling your roster full of kids that nobody wanted is what Ron Prince tried to do.
Ok, to be the opposite, then instead of saying this:
KSU fielded outstanding teams that didn't have "highly" rated recruiting classes, but it wasn't because they weren't good players and magically Bill coached'em up, it was because Bill had assistants that were good evaluators of talent and could develop players. those coaches are currently in norman and lawrence and south florida.
You needed to say those coaches were good at beating other teams for those players. Read Snyder's book, he effectively said that KSU couldn't go head to head with these other schools in recruiting. He had to go a level or two deeper. If that doesn't mean developing players, then I'm not sure what does.
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 8 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
They've learned from their mistakes! :cyclist: :cyclist: :cyclist:
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 8 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
Didn't mo coach the D-line during the glory years??
Dave Brock . . . lets see what he can do when he's not working for what turned out to be a complete idiot.
I am not a huge Del Miller fan, but how can you just forget about all the time he spent at KSU when they were developing the "Greatest turnaround in college football history"??
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 8 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
Didn't mo coach the D-line during the glory years??
Dave Brock . . . lets see what he can do when he's not working for what turned out to be a complete idiot.
I am not a huge Del Miller fan, but how can you just forget about all the time he spent at KSU when they were developing the "Greatest turnaround in college football history"??
del miller didn't do jack shlt. that was all stoops/venzy/mangino
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 8 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
Didn't mo coach the D-line during the glory years??
Dave Brock . . . lets see what he can do when he's not working for what turned out to be a complete idiot.
I am not a huge Del Miller fan, but how can you just forget about all the time he spent at KSU when they were developing the "Greatest turnaround in college football history"??
del miller didn't do jack shlt. that was all stoops/venzy/mangino
Uh-huh . . . and the multiple stories about how for the first few years Mangino was barely allowed to speak were all lies??
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you can have "coaches" like Mo and Del on the staff when you have guys like Bob Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables, and Mark Mangino on staff. Mo really f'ing helped the DL from '04 - current while they were getting prison raped by any team that wanted to run the ball on us....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 8 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
Didn't mo coach the D-line during the glory years??
Dave Brock . . . lets see what he can do when he's not working for what turned out to be a complete idiot.
I am not a huge Del Miller fan, but how can you just forget about all the time he spent at KSU when they were developing the "Greatest turnaround in college football history"??
del miller didn't do jack shlt. that was all stoops/venzy/mangino
Uh-huh . . . and the multiple stories about how for the first few years Mangino was barely allowed to speak were all lies??
this is the line that fitz always runs out there, so yes, lies. the dude can evaluate talent and regardless or your blind hate of ku, he is building that program with good, solid players. and I think he can coach the OL fairly well too.
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DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.
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you can have "coaches" like Mo and Del on the staff when you have guys like Bob Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables, and Mark Mangino on staff. Mo really f'ing helped the DL from '04 - current while they were getting prison raped by any team that wanted to run the ball on us....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.
Yet Mo appears to be one of our lead recruiters down in Texas . . . wasn't the jest of the post that I was responding too that those guys could NEITHER coach nor recruit.
So when Del Miller was helping KSU become the "Greatest turnaround in college football history" he wasn't doing any coaching. Mo didn't do any coaching during that period either??
You guys are way over thinking this $hit.
Cire . . . the fantastic recruiting, that saw very few 4 or 5 star players.
zacker . . . that's not an F'ing Fitz story, and it has nothing to do . . . NOTHING to do with whether I think Mangino can evaluate talent, which I think he can, I am talking what was going on 15-16 years ago, not now you dumbass.
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
this is where i differ with "catzacker"
I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.
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you can have "coaches" like Mo and Del on the staff when you have guys like Bob Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables, and Mark Mangino on staff. Mo really f'ing helped the DL from '04 - current while they were getting prison raped by any team that wanted to run the ball on us....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.
Are you the guy that always trots out the D-line recruiting summary from 2004-2005?
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.
Is it really? Go check ku's recruiting since 2005 and look at ours. Would you say that is rivals just over rating our recruits and under rating ku's?
Yes. Absolutely.
Ok, I'm convinced. Basically we can explain anything by saying Rivals goofed. Cool. I'm so relieved, because for a minute there I thought we may have to coach and stuff. But this is going to be easy. Just like working in sales.
you know how bill snyder always said you can't evaluate a recruiting class until 4 years down the road?
well, he was 100% correct.
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you can have "coaches" like Mo and Del on the staff when you have guys like Bob Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables, and Mark Mangino on staff. Mo really f'ing helped the DL from '04 - current while they were getting prison raped by any team that wanted to run the ball on us....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.
Yet Mo appears to be one of our lead recruiters down in Texas . . . wasn't the jest of the post that I was responding too that those guys could NEITHER coach nor recruit.
So when Del Miller was helping KSU become the "Greatest turnaround in college football history" he wasn't doing any coaching. Mo didn't do any coaching during that period either??
You guys are way over thinking this $hit.
Cire . . . the fantastic recruiting, that saw very few 4 or 5 star players.
zacker . . . that's not an F'ing Fitz story, and it has nothing to do . . . NOTHING to do with whether I think Mangino can evaluate talent, which I think he can, I am talking what was going on 15-16 years ago, not now you dumbass.
who in the hell is Mo pulling out of TX over the past few years? Del Miller hasn't done sh*t. I don't know what the hell he did in the early 90's, what I know is that since he came back he's done the opposite.
4 and 5 * players don't matter, it's "recruiting" which encompasses player evaluation....and as I said before, a coach needs to be good at 2 things, recruiting or player development and I, we, know that coaches are good at these things by their win/loss record. This group of coaches has had an aboslute dogsh*t win/loss record since '04 and basically since those guys in norman and lawrence left town.
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
If I'm not mistaken, if Rahne is the GA, he can't go on the road and recruit. He's limited to phone calls and on campus visits.
Of course, I could be wrong on that. :users:
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
this is where i differ with "catzacker"
I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.
That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery. It really is.
Would he have really turned it around? I suspect we'll never know.
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DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.
Really, what was our highest ranked recruiting class during the DOD?
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DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.
Really, what was our highest ranked recruiting class during the DOD?
you don't get it. we're not talking aboutn Rivals star rankings....we f'ing won 11 games 6 out of 7 years and it wasn't because Bill liked to run the option to the short side of the field, it was because we had NFL players running the option to the short side of the field. Those NFL players were evaluated (recruited) by assistants that are no longer at KSU.
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you can have "coaches" like Mo and Del on the staff when you have guys like Bob Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables, and Mark Mangino on staff. Mo really f'ing helped the DL from '04 - current while they were getting prison raped by any team that wanted to run the ball on us....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.
Yet Mo appears to be one of our lead recruiters down in Texas . . . wasn't the jest of the post that I was responding too that those guys could NEITHER coach nor recruit.
So when Del Miller was helping KSU become the "Greatest turnaround in college football history" he wasn't doing any coaching. Mo didn't do any coaching during that period either??
You guys are way over thinking this $hit.
Cire . . . the fantastic recruiting, that saw very few 4 or 5 star players.
zacker . . . that's not an F'ing Fitz story, and it has nothing to do . . . NOTHING to do with whether I think Mangino can evaluate talent, which I think he can, I am talking what was going on 15-16 years ago, not now you dumbass.
who in the hell is Mo pulling out of TX over the past few years? Del Miller hasn't done sh*t. I don't know what the hell he did in the early 90's, what I know is that since he came back he's done the opposite.
4 and 5 * players don't matter, it's "recruiting" which encompasses player evaluation....and as I said before, a coach needs to be good at 2 things, recruiting or player development and I, we, know that coaches are good at these things by their win/loss record. This group of coaches has had an aboslute dogsh*t win/loss record since '04 and basically since those guys in norman and lawrence left town.
Since 04 . . . you mean two seasons, 04 and 05. You mean the guys who were told they couldn't go recruit in 2003 between the Big 12 championship game and the Fiesta Bowl by their boss??
Dave Brock . . .not on the 04/05 staff
VK . . . not on the 04/05 staff
Andy Ludwig . . . not on 04/05 staff
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it was obviously a mix of both. it's not ALL recruiting...but probably 90% or more. john blake was a great recruiter but sucked as a coach. then stoops came in and won basically immediately with his players.
likewise snyder was able to take some crap players and make them better through superior coaching. but not NEARLY as good as a lot of tards think. any example of 2 star rated players in the league now is clearly a huge whiff on rivals part.
ksu was good because we recruited well, thanks in large part to stoops, venables, leavitt, etc. NOT because snyder was able to take some random tards that noone else wanted and turned them into NFL caliber players.
-dude
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Since 04 . . . you mean two seasons, 04 and 05. You mean the guys who were told they couldn't go recruit in 2003 between the Big 12 championship game and the Fiesta Bowl by their boss??
Dave Brock . . .not on the 04/05 staff
VK . . . not on the 04/05 staff
Andy Ludwig . . . not on 04/05 staff
LOL...that idiot boss is the current boss. hopefully snyder doesn't let them recruit at all this time.
Since '04 (and really since '02) the recruiting has sucked....this staff is made up of 70% (I originally said 8, s/b 7) of coaches who were on staff at some piont during '04 through '08.
And when i say the recruiting has sucked, I know this because our record has sucked. And if you say that it wasn't the recruiting, that KSU had the talent, they just need competent coaching....then I'm going to say that we didn't have the coaches that could develop those players, and I know this because our record sucked.
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.
Is it really? Go check ku's recruiting since 2005 and look at ours. Would you say that is rivals just over rating our recruits and under rating ku's?
Yes. Absolutely.
Ok, I'm convinced. Basically we can explain anything by saying Rivals goofed. Cool. I'm so relieved, because for a minute there I thought we may have to coach and stuff. But this is going to be easy. Just like working in sales.
you know how bill snyder always said you can't evaluate a recruiting class until 4 years down the road?
well, he was 100% correct.
Good point. But evaluating a group of seniors that have been in a program for 4 years is much more than just their HS talent level. Since recruiting technically stops when they enter the program, the 4 college years has nothing to do with recruiting. Is rivals supposed to use a crystal ball and tell us how the class will be as seniors?
I'm just making the point that there is so much more than recruiting. If it was just a video game (or as Hank Hill would say, 'vidia games'), recruiting and playing the game would get the job done.
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DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.
Really, what was our highest ranked recruiting class during the DOD?
LOL, what were all the nfl players out of that group ranked?
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
this is where i differ with "catzacker"
I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.
That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery. It really is.
Would he have really turned it around? I suspect we'll never know.
'01 was a "random" down year. '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
this is where i differ with "catzacker"
I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.
That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery. It really is.
Would he have really turned it around? I suspect we'll never know.
'01 was a "random" down year. '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.
what was 06? It sure had nothing to do with freeman (complete turd)
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No $hit zacker . . . Snyder was their boss??
What was Snyder's recruiting method back then?? Load up and try to haul in a bunch of guys in January, don't let the coaches go recruit after the biggest win in KSU history. But yeah, lets put all the blame on the assistants when it was their boss who was actually F'ing everything up, and NOT keeping up with the changes in recruiting. Probably sucked trying to recruit, with Bill back there wanting you put the selectric typewriter away until after the bowl game, and shutting off the phones for 8 weeks.
But wait, KSU's recruiting class in 2004 was ranked 18th.
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
this is where i differ with "catzacker"
I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.
That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery. It really is.
Would he have really turned it around? I suspect we'll never know.
'01 was a "random" down year. '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.
what was 06? It sure had nothing to do with freeman (complete turd)
:flush:
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Meanwhile . . . over the same period, Alabama's recruiting classes have lived in the top 20, if not top 10.
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
this is where i differ with "catzacker"
I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.
That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery. It really is.
Would he have really turned it around? I suspect we'll never know.
'01 was a "random" down year. '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.
what was 06? It sure had nothing to do with freeman (complete turd)
raheem :love:
Freeman was the sole/huge reason for winning the OSU, CU, and UT games. But..
We actually played some defense that year. I think '06 was in large part due to '02 recruiting which wasn't all that bad (or comparatively not as bad as '03-current). That '02 class had Echols and Archer (even McKinney though he didn't show up until after JUCO in '05). I'm not saying we didn't get some good players in those classes, just didn't have enough of them.
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
this is where i differ with "catzacker"
I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.
That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery. It really is.
Would he have really turned it around? I suspect we'll never know.
'01 was a "random" down year. '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.
what was 06? It sure had nothing to do with freeman (complete turd)
raheem :love:
Freeman was the sole/huge reason for winning the OSU, CU, and UT games. But..
GMAFB. Freeman was 6-15 that year. SIX AND FRIGGING FIFTEEN! He flat out sucked.
Raheem was irrelevant. In fact, his true coaching showed near the end of the year (when the D went in the tank)
face it, synder left prince w/some big 12 players. that's the reason 2006 was his best year.
Meanwhile . . . over the same period, Alabama's recruiting classes have lived in the top 20, if not top 10.
dear god. are you really this dumb? yes.
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DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.
Really, what was our highest ranked recruiting class during the DOD?
you don't get it. we're not talking aboutn Rivals star rankings....we f'ing won 11 games 6 out of 7 years and it wasn't because Bill liked to run the option to the short side of the field, it was because we had NFL players running the option to the short side of the field. Those NFL players were evaluated (recruited) by assistants that are no longer at KSU.
Actually, the whole post has been about rivals rankings. Click on 1st page if you need a refresher.
So, if your ksu football world basically ended in 1998, when all the "coaches" left town, why are you still interested in the program?
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So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:
st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo
oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*
*alleged
so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players? GMAFB.
this is where i differ with "catzacker"
I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.
That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery. It really is.
Would he have really turned it around? I suspect we'll never know.
'01 was a "random" down year. '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.
what was 06? It sure had nothing to do with freeman (complete turd)
raheem :love:
Freeman was the sole/huge reason for winning the OSU, CU, and UT games. But..
GMAFB. Freeman was 6-15 that year. SIX AND FRIGGING FIFTEEN! He flat out sucked.
Raheem was irrelevant. In fact, his true coaching showed near the end of the year (when the D went in the tank)
face it, synder left prince w/some big 12 players. that's the reason 2006 was his best year.
Meanwhile . . . over the same period, Alabama's recruiting classes have lived in the top 20, if not top 10.
dear god. are you really this dumb? yes.
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How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.
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DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.
Really, what was our highest ranked recruiting class during the DOD?
you don't get it. we're not talking aboutn Rivals star rankings....we f'ing won 11 games 6 out of 7 years and it wasn't because Bill liked to run the option to the short side of the field, it was because we had NFL players running the option to the short side of the field. Those NFL players were evaluated (recruited) by assistants that are no longer at KSU.
Actually, the whole post has been about rivals rankings. Click on 1st page if you need a refresher.
So, if your ksu football world basically ended in 1998, when all the "coaches" left town, why are you still interested in the program?
...and there it is....the calling out of another's K-Statriotism. everyday this place grows closer and closer to gpc.
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How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.
Because it's been addressed in this thread over and over, you tard.
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How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.
FFF really gets under your skin, doesn't he? :lol:
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How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.
Because it's been addressed in this thread over and over, you tard.
Really, we talked about Alabama's recruiting on here??
OC . . . you and chekksucat can spoon each other now.
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How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.
Because it's been addressed in this thread over and over, you tard.
Really, we talked about Alabama's recruiting on here??
OC . . . you and chekksucat can spoon each other now.
No, we've talked about how idiotic rivals recruiting rankings can be sometimes.
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While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?
Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.
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How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.
Because it's been addressed in this thread over and over, you tard.
Really, we talked about Alabama's recruiting on here??
OC . . . you and chekksucat can spoon each other now.
's ok, bra. Go rub one out, man...you'll feel better. Calm the nerves, ya know?
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How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.
Because it's been addressed in this thread over and over, you tard.
Really, we talked about Alabama's recruiting on here??
OC . . . you and chekksucat can spoon each other now.
No, we've talked about how idiotic rivals recruiting rankings can be sometimes.
So, Alabama's classes weren't worthy of those rankings??
Essentially those classes culminated in an undefeated regular season this year.
Super response there OC . . . . :thumbsup:
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are we arguing about whether one team can beat another team in football regardless of their rivals rankings? I mean, KSU beat UT....back to back years....WTF did that prove?
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While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?
Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.
Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.
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are we arguing about whether one team can beat another team in football regardless of their rivals rankings? I mean, KSU beat UT....back to back years....WTF did that prove?
Is there another word for "QFT" that is like, stronger or more emphatic? 'Cause I want to use it here. Ron's owernship of Mac Brown got us slightly less than ku's Orange Bowl victory.
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While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?
Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.
Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.
Bully for Utah, but show me a BCS school that has done the same. (Last I checked KSU was a BCS school)
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While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?
Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.
Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.
Bully for Utah, but show me a BCS school that has done the same. (Last I checked KSU was a BCS school)
Boise st. vs OU?
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Just wanted to say Hi to all posting in this thread.
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While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?
Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.
Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.
Bully for Utah, but show me a BCS school that has done the same. (Last I checked KSU was a BCS school)
Boise st. vs OU?
Not a BCS school.
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While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?
Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.
Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.
Bully for Utah, but show me a BCS school that has done the same. (Last I checked KSU was a BCS school)
I don't think utah has anything to apologize for . . . they beat 2 good teams in conference, beat Michigan, beat Oregon State, and just kicked Alabama's ass 7 ways from Sunday. I think they'd more than hold their own in any BCS conference.
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While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?
Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.
Ok, is this board going to whine every time a coach is hired that isn't an all-star recruiter? Give me a break.
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While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?
Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.
Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.
Bully for Utah, but show me a BCS school that has done the same. (Last I checked KSU was a BCS school)
I don't think utah has anything to apologize for . . . they beat 2 good teams in conference, wiped the field with Michigan, beat Oregon State, and just kicked Alabama's ass 7 ways from Sunday. I think they'd more than hold their own in any BCS conference.
I agree, Utah did all they could. But my point is that to date no BCS has shown then can use the recipe for success (50-60 ranked recruiting classes) that the Utahs and Boise's of the world can and expect that kind of results.
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Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.
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Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.
I bet they would, but if Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, or Mack Brown pulled in a 50th ranked recruiting class their ass would be gone. And rightfully so.
K-State cannot be successful for the long term with 50-60th ranked recruiting classes. That's my point.
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Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.
I bet they would, but if Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, or Mack Brown pulled in a 50th ranked recruiting class their ass would be gone. And rightfully so.
K-State cannot be successful for the long term with 50-60th ranked recruiting classes. That's my point.
Yes we can. As long as they are good players. Dude, rivals isn't always right. There is a correlation (a very good one) but it's not exact.
Anyone watching this game that concludes alabama is way more talented than utah is retarded.
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Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.
I bet they would, but if Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, or Mack Brown pulled in a 50th ranked recruiting class their ass would be gone. And rightfully so.
K-State cannot be successful for the long term with 50-60th ranked recruiting classes. That's my point.
50th-60th rankings by Rivals . . . who clearly knows what they're talking about all the time. Of course you're talking about the elite of the elite recruiting.
Yet coaches who earn a combined $10.5 million a year, have lost BCS bowls to Utah and Boise State.
Again, it's quite clear rivals really doesn't know $hit when it gets right down to it.
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Someone do some research and find the average recruiting class ranks for the past 10 national champions.
Willing to bet it's top 10-15. Arguing that a top recruiting class doesn't matter is retarded.
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Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.
I bet they would, but if Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, or Mack Brown pulled in a 50th ranked recruiting class their ass would be gone. And rightfully so.
K-State cannot be successful for the long term with 50-60th ranked recruiting classes. That's my point.
Yes we can. As long as they are good players. Dude, rivals isn't always right. There is a correlation (a very good one) but it's not exact.
Anyone watching this game that concludes alabama is way more talented than utah is retarded.
Rivals isn't always right = very true. That correlation is what is important. If KSU has recruiting classes in the 50-60's AND kicks ass in a BCS conference our rectruiting evals will magically go up from Rivals and Scout even while recruiting he same kinds of players. If five years from now our class is still lower than 50 I would be willing to bet KSU has been through some hard time (not proof positive, but it would be a bad indicator).
I know the case of Talent v Coaching is a hotly debated topic here, but IMHO no BCS to date has been able to have prolonged success with low-level recruiting [50s or lower] (be it Rivals or what not).
Alabama is not WAY more talented than Utah (which shows the flaw of Rivals don't get me started on that...), but neither are they WAY better coached up or run a WAY better scheme.
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....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.
In defense of Del's ability to develop players, dylan meier had no chance in hell of being a good big 12 quarterback. this was just dumb recruiting, which is another issue :flush:
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Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.
I bet they would, but if Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, or Mack Brown pulled in a 50th ranked recruiting class their ass would be gone. And rightfully so.
K-State cannot be successful for the long term with 50-60th ranked recruiting classes. That's my point.
50th-60th rankings by Rivals . . . who clearly knows what they're talking about all the time. Of course you're talking about the elite of the elite recruiting.
Yet coaches who earn a combined $10.5 million a year, have lost BCS bowls to Utah and Boise State.
Again, it's quite clear rivals really doesn't know $hit when it gets right down to it.
I am no Rivals apologist, never have been, they way over value certain school recruits when they show interest.
Upsets happen, I just don't read anymore into it than that. We beat Texas coming off of a Nat'l Championship two years in a row with what we all now call crapty players and terrible coaches. I don't think Texas is going to change its recruiting practices due to that and neither will Alabama or OU.
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The last 10 National Champions were also all coached by idiots. :rolleyes:
But LOLer's ... I am talking about getting K-State back to Big 12 contention, and just playing good solid football, and some of you are talking National Titles.
Come on, you'd give your left nut (provide you have one) to go 13-0 and to have rolled Nick Saban and 12-1 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and beat 3 other Top 25 teams along the way . . . National Title or not.
Again . . . Big 12 contention, and good solid football doesn't mean you have to have 4 and 5 star recruits at every position . . . I'll agree with ChekKsuCat here . . . lets get good football players who want to work hard and become better and then see what happens. That wasn't DM's on the field for Utah, that was a team that reminded me a lot of many DOD teams. Athletic QB, well coached team, size and speed, and they hit people . . . No Ron Prince and the flying Tibesar brothers out there tonight for Utah. . . . and not a 5 star recruit to be found amongst the whole group.
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.
Agree on the first part.
The question is:
-Did rivals really mess up and these where studs outta high school
-Or did these great players develop into great players in college
I would bet #2. Not necessarily being "coached up," but recruiting players that you can "mold" into good college players can't be measured. These kid's obviously didn't dominate in high school the way Julio Jones did, but they've improved drastically since coming to college and being coached and working hard for 3 or 4 years.
Two Cents
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well, they've obviously recruited better than that.
I don't know that it's obvious. What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?
There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting. This site is like a broken record sometimes.
Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.
Agree on the first part.
The question is:
-Did rivals really mess up and these where studs outta high school
-Or did these great players develop into great players in college
I would bet #2. Not necessarily being "coached up," but recruiting players that you can "mold" into good college players can't be measured. These kid's obviously didn't dominate in high school the way Julio Jones did, but they've improved drastically since coming to college and being coached and working hard for 3 or 4 years.
Two Cents
Finally some sanity in this thread...
1 - Of course, Rivals rankings are going to not be 100% correct and some 4 star guys will end up being worse than some 2 stars...
2 - The quantitative measures that they use to rank players are not infallible (see Jason Bennett). Rivals cannot take into account how hard a kid is going to work nor how well he will fit into the college system he is entering.
3 - Rivals measures get inflated once a Florida or Alabama starts recruiting a kid, so you have to keep that in mind as well.
4 - That being said, recruiting matters immensely, look what happened at Bama so quickly, but there are plenty of schools, such as the Utes, that do consistently well with less. KSU must do what the Utah's of the world do because at this point they are not going to walk into the homes of Julio Jones, etc. etc. and have a chance. Win some games, then maybe.
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Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything.
Only when trying to diminish a ku commitment. Let's not forget the Dezmon Briscoe vs. Lamark Brown clownsuit thread.
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Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything.
Only when trying to diminish a ku commitment. Let's not forget the Dezmon Briscoe vs. Lamark Brown clownsuit thread.
And Ben chimes in with loser randomness . . . again.
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Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything.
Only when trying to diminish a ku commitment. Let's not forget the Dezmon Briscoe vs. Lamark Brown clownsuit thread.
Oh man. Forgot about that one.
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I know that Ben (and likely Dumbass DocNaismith) probably have that thread cut, pasted, and stored someplace . . . but did I diminish Briscoe in that thread?? As I recall, I only said something about Brown needing a chance to develop . . . oh well.