Utah Recruiting Rankings . . .

[sonofdaxjones]

2004-61st 
2005-Tied for 59th
2006-55th
2007-71st
2008-60th

[fatty fat fat]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything. 

[fatty fat fat]

Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything. 

No, you are just a gigantic dumbass.  (serious)

[sonofdaxjones]

Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything. 

No, you are just a gigantic dumbass.  (serious)

Damn you get pissed off easy, must be the Iraqi in you Chekksu.

[catzacker]

i hope ksu's coaches can coach'em up the way utah's coaches are coaching 'em up.  lot of coaching going on in this game.  i bet urban meyer coached up utah's coach before the game which is why utah is winning; saban didn't have bear bryant to coach him up before the game.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yep, if Utah wins this will be their 8th straight bowl win and 2nd BCS bowl win in 5 years, lot of coaching up going on at that 4 and 5* star haven UTAH.

[fatty fat fat]

Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything. 

No, you are just a gigantic dumbass.  (serious)

Damn you get pissed off easy, must be the Iraqi in you Chekksu.

Why would me calling you a gigantic dumbass mean I am pissed off? You are. 99.9% of your posts are complete sh*t.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything. 

No, you are just a gigantic dumbass.  (serious)

Damn you get pissed off easy, must be the Iraqi in you Chekksu.

Why would me calling you a gigantic dumbass mean I am pissed off? You are. 99.9% of your posts are complete sh*t.

Shouldn't you be over glory holing tigerboard Chek??

[TAFNA Dude]

fattyfatfat is just jealous because coeds aren't wearing "Are you fatty4KSU?" shirts.

-dude

[sonofdaxjones]

fattyfatfat is just jealous because coeds aren't wearing "Are you fatty4KSU?" shirts.

-dude

qft . . . I freakin rock.

fatty (home alone again on a Friday night) . . . not so much.

[CatGeek]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?  

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes.  

[fatty fat fat]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU? 

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes. 

Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.

[catzacker]

how does the gloryhole thing work?  do you just show up and stick your think through the hole and then it's like a 50/50 shot as to whether there's a dude or not on the other side?  all the movies I see there's a fantastically slutty girl waiting on the other side, but you know how movies are.  

[sonofdaxjones]

how does the gloryhole thing work?  do you just show up and stick your think through the hole and then it's like a 50/50 shot as to whether there's a dude or not on the other side?  all the movies I see there's a fantastically slutty girl waiting on the other side, but you know how movies are.  

ask chekksucat . . . the queen of tigerboard.

[sonofdaxjones]

To get the thread back on track before chekksucat the queen of tigerboard got all  .

Utah . . . 0 5* and 4 4* the last 5 recruiting classes.

[catzacker]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?  

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes.  

coaches win because they can do 2 things:

1 - recruit (includes player evaluation) players
2 - develop players

the ones that can do both are great coaches.  star rankings are irrelevant (though it's fun to make fun of the 2* nobodies and get excited for the 4* somebodies).  pointing out the 4and 5* busts that KSU has had is not a good way to say "hey you can't trust rivals rankings" it's probably a better way to say "hey your coaches either can't evaluate or can't develop players" because regardless of the guy's star ranking our coaches gave him a scholarship and he turned out to be sh*t.

KSU fielded outstanding teams that didn't have "highly" rated recruiting classes, but it wasn't because they weren't good players and magically Bill coached'em up, it was because Bill had assistants that were good evaluators of talent and could develop players.  those coaches are currently in norman and lawrence and south florida.  

[CatGeek]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU? 

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes. 

Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.

Is it really?  Go check ku's recruiting since 2005 and look at ours.  Would you say that is rivals just over rating our recruits and under rating ku's?  Or does ku have a staff that can develop players, while we had a coach that talked a lot?

[fatty fat fat]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU? 

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes. 

Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.

Is it really?  Go check ku's recruiting since 2005 and look at ours.  Would you say that is rivals just over rating our recruits and under rating ku's? 

Yes. Absolutely.

[billself13]

Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything. 

No, you are just a gigantic dumbass.  (serious)

Damn you get pissed off easy, must be the Iraqi in you Chekksu.

Why would me calling you a gigantic dumbass mean I am pissed off? You are. 99.9% of your posts are complete sh*t.

qft. You are wise Fatty.

[CatGeek]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU?  

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes.  

coaches win because they can do 2 things:

1 - recruit (includes player evaluation) players
2 - develop players

the ones that can do both are great coaches.  star rankings are irrelevant (though it's fun to make fun of the 2* nobodies and get excited for the 4* somebodies).  pointing out the 4and 5* busts that KSU has had is not a good way to say "hey you can't trust rivals rankings" it's probably a better way to say "hey your coaches either can't evaluate or can't develop players" because regardless of the guy's star ranking our coaches gave him a scholarship and he turned out to be sh*t.

KSU fielded outstanding teams that didn't have "highly" rated recruiting classes, but it wasn't because they weren't good players and magically Bill coached'em up, it was because Bill had assistants that were good evaluators of talent and could develop players.  those coaches are currently in norman and lawrence and south florida.  

Exactly.  Evaluating talent and developing that talent isn't under the recruiting banner in my book.  When you find that gem that others are passing on, it doesn't take a lot of effort to get him signed, because he is usually thrilled that a D1 school is that interested.  So many on this board can only talk about finding coaches that are all-star recruiters like that will get us back to the top.  It didn't work like that under Bill Snyder I and it won't work like that under Snyder II either.  

[sonofdaxjones]

Brian Johnson . . . Utah QB, 2 star, Baytown, TX.

Other offers, Louisiana Tech, and Illinois.

[catzacker]

Exactly.  Evaluating talent and developing that talent isn't under the recruiting banner in my book.  When you find that gem that others are passing on, it doesn't take a lot of effort to get him signed, because he is usually thrilled that a D1 school is that interested.  So many on this board can only talk about finding coaches that are all-star recruiters like that will get us back to the top.  It didn't work like that under Bill Snyder I and it won't work like that under Snyder II either.  

this is the opposite of what i'm talking about. you still have to beat other schools for recruits.  filling your roster full of kids that nobody wanted is what Ron Prince tried to do.

[CatGeek]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU? 

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes. 

Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.

Is it really?  Go check ku's recruiting since 2005 and look at ours.  Would you say that is rivals just over rating our recruits and under rating ku's? 

Yes. Absolutely.

Ok, I'm convinced.  Basically we can explain anything by saying Rivals goofed.  Cool.  I'm so relieved, because for a minute there I thought we may have to coach and stuff.  But this is going to be easy.  Just like working in sales.  

[catzacker]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

[CatGeek]

Exactly.  Evaluating talent and developing that talent isn't under the recruiting banner in my book.  When you find that gem that others are passing on, it doesn't take a lot of effort to get him signed, because he is usually thrilled that a D1 school is that interested.  So many on this board can only talk about finding coaches that are all-star recruiters like that will get us back to the top.  It didn't work like that under Bill Snyder I and it won't work like that under Snyder II either.  

this is the opposite of what i'm talking about. you still have to beat other schools for recruits.  filling your roster full of kids that nobody wanted is what Ron Prince tried to do.

Ok, to be the opposite, then instead of saying this:

KSU fielded outstanding teams that didn't have "highly" rated recruiting classes, but it wasn't because they weren't good players and magically Bill coached'em up, it was because Bill had assistants that were good evaluators of talent and  could develop players.  those coaches are currently in norman and lawrence and south florida.  

You needed to say those coaches were good at beating other teams for those players.  Read Snyder's book, he effectively said that KSU couldn't go head to head with these other schools in recruiting.  He had to go a level or two deeper.  If that doesn't mean developing players, then I'm not sure what does.

[hemmy]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 8 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

They've learned from their mistakes! 

[sonofdaxjones]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 8 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

Didn't mo coach the D-line during the glory years?? 

Dave Brock . . . lets see what he can do when he's not working for what turned out to be a complete idiot.

I am not a huge Del Miller fan, but how can you just forget about all the time he spent at KSU when they were developing the "Greatest turnaround in college football history"??

[cireksu]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 8 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

Didn't mo coach the D-line during the glory years?? 

Dave Brock . . . lets see what he can do when he's not working for what turned out to be a complete idiot.

I am not a huge Del Miller fan, but how can you just forget about all the time he spent at KSU when they were developing the "Greatest turnaround in college football history"??

del miller didn't do jack shlt.  that was all stoops/venzy/mangino

[sonofdaxjones]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 8 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

Didn't mo coach the D-line during the glory years?? 

Dave Brock . . . lets see what he can do when he's not working for what turned out to be a complete idiot.

I am not a huge Del Miller fan, but how can you just forget about all the time he spent at KSU when they were developing the "Greatest turnaround in college football history"??

del miller didn't do jack shlt.  that was all stoops/venzy/mangino

Uh-huh . . . and the multiple stories about how for the first few years Mangino was barely allowed to speak were all lies??