Utah Recruiting Rankings . . .

[catzacker]

you can have "coaches" like Mo and Del on the staff when you have guys like Bob Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables, and Mark Mangino on staff.  Mo really f'ing helped the DL from '04 - current while they were getting prison raped by any team that wanted to run the ball on us....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.  

[catzacker]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 8 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

Didn't mo coach the D-line during the glory years?? 

Dave Brock . . . lets see what he can do when he's not working for what turned out to be a complete idiot.

I am not a huge Del Miller fan, but how can you just forget about all the time he spent at KSU when they were developing the "Greatest turnaround in college football history"??

del miller didn't do jack shlt.  that was all stoops/venzy/mangino

Uh-huh . . . and the multiple stories about how for the first few years Mangino was barely allowed to speak were all lies??

this is the line that fitz always runs out there, so yes, lies.  the dude can evaluate talent and regardless or your blind hate of ku, he is building that program with good, solid players.  and I think he can coach the OL fairly well too.

[cireksu]

DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.

[sonofdaxjones]

you can have "coaches" like Mo and Del on the staff when you have guys like Bob Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables, and Mark Mangino on staff.  Mo really f'ing helped the DL from '04 - current while they were getting prison raped by any team that wanted to run the ball on us....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.  

Yet Mo appears to be one of our lead recruiters down in Texas . . . wasn't the jest of the post that I was responding too that those guys could NEITHER coach nor recruit.

So when Del Miller was helping KSU become the "Greatest turnaround in college football history" he wasn't doing any coaching.  Mo didn't do any coaching during that period either??

You guys are way over thinking this $hit.  

Cire . . . the fantastic recruiting, that saw very few 4 or 5 star players.

zacker . . . that's not an F'ing Fitz story, and it has nothing to do . . . NOTHING to do with whether I think Mangino can evaluate talent, which I think he can, I am talking what was going on 15-16 years ago, not now you dumbass.

[fatty fat fat]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

this is where i differ with "catzacker"

I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.

[CatGeek]

you can have "coaches" like Mo and Del on the staff when you have guys like Bob Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables, and Mark Mangino on staff.  Mo really f'ing helped the DL from '04 - current while they were getting prison raped by any team that wanted to run the ball on us....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.  

Are you the guy that always trots out the D-line recruiting summary from 2004-2005?

[fatty fat fat]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU? 

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes. 

Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.

Is it really?  Go check ku's recruiting since 2005 and look at ours.  Would you say that is rivals just over rating our recruits and under rating ku's? 

Yes. Absolutely.

Ok, I'm convinced.  Basically we can explain anything by saying Rivals goofed.  Cool.  I'm so relieved, because for a minute there I thought we may have to coach and stuff.  But this is going to be easy.  Just like working in sales. 

you know how bill snyder always said you can't evaluate a recruiting class until 4 years down the road?

well, he was 100% correct.

[catzacker]

you can have "coaches" like Mo and Del on the staff when you have guys like Bob Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables, and Mark Mangino on staff.  Mo really f'ing helped the DL from '04 - current while they were getting prison raped by any team that wanted to run the ball on us....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.  

Yet Mo appears to be one of our lead recruiters down in Texas . . . wasn't the jest of the post that I was responding too that those guys could NEITHER coach nor recruit.

So when Del Miller was helping KSU become the "Greatest turnaround in college football history" he wasn't doing any coaching.  Mo didn't do any coaching during that period either??

You guys are way over thinking this $hit.  

Cire . . . the fantastic recruiting, that saw very few 4 or 5 star players.

zacker . . . that's not an F'ing Fitz story, and it has nothing to do . . . NOTHING to do with whether I think Mangino can evaluate talent, which I think he can, I am talking what was going on 15-16 years ago, not now you dumbass.

who in the hell is Mo pulling out of TX over the past few years?  Del Miller hasn't done sh*t.  I don't know what the hell he did in the early 90's, what I know is that since he came back he's done the opposite.  

4 and 5 * players don't matter, it's "recruiting" which encompasses player evaluation....and as I said before, a coach needs to be good at 2 things, recruiting or player development and I, we, know that coaches are good at these things by their win/loss record.  This group of coaches has had an aboslute dogsh*t win/loss record since '04 and basically since those guys in norman and lawrence left town.  

[Panjandrum]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

If I'm not mistaken, if Rahne is the GA, he can't go on the road and recruit.  He's limited to phone calls and on campus visits.

Of course, I could be wrong on that.

[Chingon]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

this is where i differ with "catzacker"

I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.

That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery.  It really is.

Would he have really turned it around?  I suspect we'll never know.

[CatGeek]

DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.

Really, what was our highest ranked recruiting class during the DOD?

[catzacker]

DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.

Really, what was our highest ranked recruiting class during the DOD?

you don't get it.  we're not talking aboutn Rivals star rankings....we f'ing won 11 games 6 out of 7 years and it wasn't because Bill liked to run the option to the short side of the field, it was because we had NFL players running the option to the short side of the field.  Those NFL players were evaluated (recruited) by assistants that are no longer at KSU. 

[sonofdaxjones]

you can have "coaches" like Mo and Del on the staff when you have guys like Bob Stoops, Jim Leavitt, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables, and Mark Mangino on staff.  Mo really f'ing helped the DL from '04 - current while they were getting prison raped by any team that wanted to run the ball on us....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.  

Yet Mo appears to be one of our lead recruiters down in Texas . . . wasn't the jest of the post that I was responding too that those guys could NEITHER coach nor recruit.

So when Del Miller was helping KSU become the "Greatest turnaround in college football history" he wasn't doing any coaching.  Mo didn't do any coaching during that period either??

You guys are way over thinking this $hit.  

Cire . . . the fantastic recruiting, that saw very few 4 or 5 star players.

zacker . . . that's not an F'ing Fitz story, and it has nothing to do . . . NOTHING to do with whether I think Mangino can evaluate talent, which I think he can, I am talking what was going on 15-16 years ago, not now you dumbass.

who in the hell is Mo pulling out of TX over the past few years?  Del Miller hasn't done sh*t.  I don't know what the hell he did in the early 90's, what I know is that since he came back he's done the opposite.  

4 and 5 * players don't matter, it's "recruiting" which encompasses player evaluation....and as I said before, a coach needs to be good at 2 things, recruiting or player development and I, we, know that coaches are good at these things by their win/loss record.  This group of coaches has had an aboslute dogsh*t win/loss record since '04 and basically since those guys in norman and lawrence left town.  

Since 04 . . . you mean two seasons, 04 and 05.  You mean the guys who were told they couldn't go recruit in 2003 between the Big 12 championship game and the Fiesta Bowl by their boss??  

Dave Brock . . .not on the 04/05 staff
VK . . . not on the 04/05 staff
Andy Ludwig . . . not on 04/05 staff

[TAFNA Dude]

it was obviously a mix of both.  it's not ALL recruiting...but probably 90% or more.  john blake was a great recruiter but sucked as a coach.  then stoops came in and won basically immediately with his players.

likewise snyder was able to take some crap players and make them better through superior coaching.  but not NEARLY as good as a lot of tards think.  any example of 2 star rated players in the league now is clearly a huge whiff on rivals part.

ksu was good because we recruited well, thanks in large part to stoops, venables, leavitt, etc.  NOT because snyder was able to take some random tards that noone else wanted and turned them into NFL caliber players.

-dude

[catzacker]

Since 04 . . . you mean two seasons, 04 and 05.  You mean the guys who were told they couldn't go recruit in 2003 between the Big 12 championship game and the Fiesta Bowl by their boss??  

Dave Brock . . .not on the 04/05 staff
VK . . . not on the 04/05 staff
Andy Ludwig . . . not on 04/05 staff

LOL...that idiot boss is the current boss.  hopefully snyder doesn't let them recruit at all this time.

Since '04 (and really since '02) the recruiting has sucked....this staff is made up of 70% (I originally said 8, s/b 7) of coaches who were on staff at some piont during '04 through '08.  

And when i say the recruiting has sucked, I know this because our record has sucked.  And if you say that it wasn't the recruiting, that KSU had the talent, they just need competent coaching....then I'm going to say that we didn't have the coaches that could develop those players, and I know this because our record sucked.  

[CatGeek]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU? 

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes. 

Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.

Is it really?  Go check ku's recruiting since 2005 and look at ours.  Would you say that is rivals just over rating our recruits and under rating ku's? 

Yes. Absolutely.

Ok, I'm convinced.  Basically we can explain anything by saying Rivals goofed.  Cool.  I'm so relieved, because for a minute there I thought we may have to coach and stuff.  But this is going to be easy.  Just like working in sales. 

you know how bill snyder always said you can't evaluate a recruiting class until 4 years down the road?

well, he was 100% correct.

Good point.  But evaluating a group of seniors that have been in a program for 4 years is much more than just their HS talent level.  Since recruiting technically stops when they enter the program, the 4 college years has nothing to do with recruiting.  Is rivals supposed to use a crystal ball and tell us how the class will be as seniors?  

I'm just making the point that there is so much more than recruiting.  If it was just a video game (or as Hank Hill would say, 'vidia games'), recruiting and playing the game would get the job done.  

[cireksu]

DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.

Really, what was our highest ranked recruiting class during the DOD?

LOL, what were all the nfl players out of that group ranked?

[catzacker]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

this is where i differ with "catzacker"

I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.

That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery.  It really is.

Would he have really turned it around?  I suspect we'll never know.

'01 was a "random" down year.  '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.    

[fatty fat fat]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

this is where i differ with "catzacker"

I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.

That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery.  It really is.

Would he have really turned it around?  I suspect we'll never know.

'01 was a "random" down year.  '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.   

what was 06? It sure had nothing to do with freeman (complete turd)

[sonofdaxjones]

No $hit zacker . . . Snyder was their boss??

What was Snyder's recruiting method back then??  Load up and try to haul in a bunch of guys in January, don't let the coaches go recruit after the biggest win in KSU history.   But yeah, lets put all the blame on the assistants when it was their boss who was actually F'ing everything up, and NOT keeping up with the changes in recruiting.   Probably sucked trying to recruit, with Bill back there wanting you put the selectric typewriter away until after the bowl game, and shutting off the phones for 8 weeks.  

But wait, KSU's recruiting class in 2004 was ranked 18th.  

.

[cireksu]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

this is where i differ with "catzacker"

I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.

That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery.  It really is.

Would he have really turned it around?  I suspect we'll never know.

'01 was a "random" down year.  '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.   

what was 06? It sure had nothing to do with freeman (complete turd)

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Meanwhile . . . over the same period, Alabama's recruiting classes have lived in the top 20, if not top 10.

[catzacker]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

this is where i differ with "catzacker"

I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.

That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery.  It really is.

Would he have really turned it around?  I suspect we'll never know.

'01 was a "random" down year.  '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.   

what was 06? It sure had nothing to do with freeman (complete turd)

raheem  

Freeman was the sole/huge reason for winning the OSU, CU, and UT games. But..

We actually played some defense that year.  I think '06 was in large part due to '02 recruiting which wasn't all that bad (or comparatively not as bad as '03-current).  That '02 class had Echols and Archer (even McKinney though he didn't show up until after JUCO in '05). I'm not saying we didn't get some good players in those classes, just didn't have enough of them.  

[fatty fat fat]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

this is where i differ with "catzacker"

I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.

That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery.  It really is.

Would he have really turned it around?  I suspect we'll never know.

'01 was a "random" down year.  '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.   

what was 06? It sure had nothing to do with freeman (complete turd)

raheem 

Freeman was the sole/huge reason for winning the OSU, CU, and UT games. But..

GMAFB. Freeman was 6-15 that year. SIX AND FRIGGING FIFTEEN! He flat out sucked.

Raheem was irrelevant. In fact, his true coaching showed near the end of the year (when the D went in the tank)

face it, synder left prince w/some big 12 players. that's the reason 2006 was his best year.

Meanwhile . . . over the same period, Alabama's recruiting classes have lived in the top 20, if not top 10.

dear god. are you really this dumb? yes.

[CatGeek]

DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.

Really, what was our highest ranked recruiting class during the DOD?

you don't get it.  we're not talking aboutn Rivals star rankings....we f'ing won 11 games 6 out of 7 years and it wasn't because Bill liked to run the option to the short side of the field, it was because we had NFL players running the option to the short side of the field.  Those NFL players were evaluated (recruited) by assistants that are no longer at KSU. 

Actually, the whole post has been about rivals rankings.  Click on 1st page if you need a refresher.  

So, if your ksu football world basically ended in 1998, when all the "coaches" left town, why are you still interested in the program?

[cireksu]

So, Snyder's all star coaching staff is as follows:

st - jr
dc/db - vk
dc/lb - cosh
de - joe bob
DL - mo

oc - ludwig
wr - brock
ol - dickey*
te - del miller*
rb - rahne (GA)*

*alleged

so of this f'ing list of all stars (10 in total) 7 were on that staff that lead to the collapse of the program or on staff during the train wreck that was ron prince....and these bunch of assholes are going to magically flip the "on" switch to evaluate, recruit, and develop players?  GMAFB.

this is where i differ with "catzacker"

I think snyder was just having a few down years. he was going to get back to winning.

That in a nutshell is the great K-State mystery.  It really is.

Would he have really turned it around?  I suspect we'll never know.

'01 was a "random" down year.  '04 and '05 were disturbing trends of a downward spiral.   

what was 06? It sure had nothing to do with freeman (complete turd)

raheem 

Freeman was the sole/huge reason for winning the OSU, CU, and UT games. But..

GMAFB. Freeman was 6-15 that year. SIX AND FRIGGING FIFTEEN! He flat out sucked.

Raheem was irrelevant. In fact, his true coaching showed near the end of the year (when the D went in the tank)

face it, synder left prince w/some big 12 players. that's the reason 2006 was his best year.

Meanwhile . . . over the same period, Alabama's recruiting classes have lived in the top 20, if not top 10.

dear god. are you really this dumb? yes.

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[sonofdaxjones]

How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.

[catzacker]

DOD was DOD because of fantastic recruiting, when the recruiters left it was over.

Really, what was our highest ranked recruiting class during the DOD?

you don't get it.  we're not talking aboutn Rivals star rankings....we f'ing won 11 games 6 out of 7 years and it wasn't because Bill liked to run the option to the short side of the field, it was because we had NFL players running the option to the short side of the field.  Those NFL players were evaluated (recruited) by assistants that are no longer at KSU. 

Actually, the whole post has been about rivals rankings.  Click on 1st page if you need a refresher.  

So, if your ksu football world basically ended in 1998, when all the "coaches" left town, why are you still interested in the program?

...and there it is....the calling out of another's K-Statriotism.  everyday this place grows closer and closer to gpc.

[fatty fat fat]

How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.

Because it's been addressed in this thread over and over, you tard.

[Oklahoma_Cat]

How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.

FFF really gets under your skin, doesn't he?