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Title: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 10:22:08 AM
From Rivals:

Sounds like Chuck Long wants to take a year off to let SDSU pay him. Dana Dimel looks to be the front runner for OC. :suicideispainless:

As for DC, it looks like Vic Koenning is the front runner. :thumbsup:

 :ksu:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: KCcat28 on November 26, 2008, 10:25:35 AM
Does anyone have a full scoop on Dana Dimel? I haven't heard much about him. Also I don't look for either one of those choice to be head coaches in waiting... I am guessing Snyder plans to be around for a little while...
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: SUPERKSUFAN on November 26, 2008, 10:27:18 AM
Don't forget about Major Applewhite...I saw his name being tossed around today as well  :popcorn:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 10:27:50 AM
Does anyone have a full scoop on Dana Dimel?

Basically, we are going to let the TE's coach from a 6-5 UA team become our OC. :flush:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Lynch on November 26, 2008, 10:28:39 AM
So Bennett is out then?
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: kst8cat on November 26, 2008, 10:29:36 AM
Dana Dimel did a great job as HC at Wyoming (22-13 record).  Houston, not so much.  But I don't know why people seem to be down on him as an assistant coach.  I think he was a great assistant before and would be again especially with all that experience.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: KCcat28 on November 26, 2008, 10:29:56 AM
Found a Bio on a Clemson web site for Vic...

http://clemsontigers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/koenning_vic00.html
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 10:30:09 AM
Don't forget about Major Applewhite...I saw his name being tossed around today as well  :popcorn:

Hell, if we can't Venables then why not just go after Stoop's boy toy in Heupel.

Very promising young lad. :cyclist:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: KSU4ME on November 26, 2008, 10:31:50 AM
From Rivals:


'nuff said.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 10:33:04 AM
From Rivals:


'nuff said.

Not from Fitz though man. :shy:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: ~WabashRoll~ on November 26, 2008, 10:34:00 AM
I'm beginning to prepare myself for the underwhelmingess of the staff.

Dimel.   :jerkoff:

Koenning.   :lick:

So that means, we'll end up with Dimel and some other 4rth or 5th choice at DC.

Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: KCcat28 on November 26, 2008, 10:34:21 AM
Can you link it?
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Legore on November 26, 2008, 10:41:44 AM
The hate on Dimel is reallly misguided and bordering ignorant.  He's a proven coach that loves KSU and has Texas recruiting ties.  Remember he was head coach at Houston and despite not winning many games he recruited very well when he was down there.  Art Briles who replaced him won a lot of games with the kids he recruited. 

He'll be on the staff in some form people need to get used to that idea and he's a far more accomplished and qualified coach then anyone Prince had on his staff including Prince himself.  A lot of the credit for Arizona's improvement this year is credited to his influence on the offense.   Also remember in Snyder's last season he turned down BCS level assitant coaching positions to come work for Snyder for free as a GA. 
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2008, 10:42:05 AM
Dimel would be fantastic.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 10:45:38 AM
Can you link it?

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=118273796&mid=118273796&sid=889&style=2

Looks like we're just taking Wyoming's sloppy leftovers though.

Dimel (1997-1999) 22-13 as Wyoming Head Coach

Koenning (2000-2003) 5-29 as Wyoming Head Coach.

^ Kind of hard to take right there. :runaway:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: catchup on November 26, 2008, 10:46:51 AM
A: I hate Rusty

B: It seems Dimel is the tie to Koening as well as possibly Greg Wolford who has been a recruiting machine at Illinois. Plus the only negative in his resume is Houston. If he is named HCIW then there may be something to gripe about but OC I think he is qualified.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 26, 2008, 10:47:56 AM
Come on now.

Dimel and Koenning combined have more D1 experience, more experience around decent to good programs and coaches (Snyder, Bowden, Stoops) and more time out on the trail recruiting legit BCS conference D1 talent than Ron Prince's entire lineup of coaching staffs over the last 3 years combined.

Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: KCcat28 on November 26, 2008, 10:48:39 AM
Once again I don't see either one of these coaches if hired being coaches in waiting... I think once Snyder hits his 3rd year under contract he hires a head coach in waiting... just my opinion.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: mjrod on November 26, 2008, 10:48:55 AM
Come on now.

Dimel and Koenning combined have more D1 experience, more experience around decent to good programs and coaches (Snyder, Bowden, Stoops) and more time out on the trail recruiting legit BCS conference D1 talent than Ron Prince's entire lineup of coaching staffs over the last 3 years combined.



You can let go of Ron now.  I have.   :shy:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: mjrod on November 26, 2008, 10:50:07 AM
Once again I don't see either one of these coaches if hired being coaches in waiting... I think once Snyder hits his 3rd year under contract he hires a head coach in waiting... just my opinion.

Perhaps, maybe not.   My impression from the news conference is that he'll be in it for the long haul.

And..

FWIW.. think BV.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 26, 2008, 10:50:21 AM
Come on now.

Dimel and Koenning combined have more D1 experience, more experience around decent to good programs and coaches (Snyder, Bowden, Stoops) and more time out on the trail recruiting legit BCS conference D1 talent than Ron Prince's entire lineup of coaching staffs over the last 3 years combined.



You can let go of Ron now.  I have.   :shy:

Look board nazi . . . i was just trying to make a point.

Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: mcmwcat on November 26, 2008, 10:50:32 AM
Once again I don't see either one of these coaches if hired being coaches in waiting... I think once Snyder hits his 3rd year under contract he hires a head coach in waiting... just my opinion.

there will be no HCIW
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Legore on November 26, 2008, 10:51:18 AM
Can you link it?

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=118273796&mid=118273796&sid=889&style=2

Looks like we're just taking Wyoming's sloppy leftovers though.

Dimel (1997-1999) 22-13 as Wyoming Head Coach

Koenning (2000-2003) 5-29 as Wyoming Head Coach.

^ Kind of hard to take right there. :runaway:

yes except for the fact that neither would be a head coach here.  Not really sure how their head coaching record is all that relevant.  There are a ton of great cordinators that failed as head coaches and went back to being successful cordinators.   I'm not even sure Dimel will be OC but he'll be on the staff in some capacity.    

For those hating on the staff tell me do you think the guys Patterson has at tcu are better assitants then these guys?  I wanted Patterson as bad as the next guy but whatever staff Snyder brings will be better then the mid major staff Pattesron would have insisted on bringing.    
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: mjrod on November 26, 2008, 10:51:23 AM
Come on now.

Dimel and Koenning combined have more D1 experience, more experience around decent to good programs and coaches (Snyder, Bowden, Stoops) and more time out on the trail recruiting legit BCS conference D1 talent than Ron Prince's entire lineup of coaching staffs over the last 3 years combined.



You can let go of Ron now.  I have.   :shy:

Look board nazi . . . i was just trying to make a point.



Isn't there some thread on a ku board you need to be watching?

 :peek:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2008, 10:51:41 AM
In all honesty, why is Chuck Long a good pick for OC and Dana Dimel is a poor one?

:dunno:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: KCcat28 on November 26, 2008, 10:52:07 AM
Once again I don't see either one of these coaches if hired being coaches in waiting... I think once Snyder hits his 3rd year under contract he hires a head coach in waiting... just my opinion.

there will be no HCIW

Maybe so I am just sayin that I think people are nervous that if these 2 people are hired that they are the future after Snyder. I am just saying that I don't think that is the case...
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 26, 2008, 10:53:18 AM
In all honesty, why is Chuck Long a good pick for OC and Dana Dimel is a poor one?

:dunno:

He's not . . . Chuck was encouraged, highly encouraged to pursue that SDSU job by Bobby Stoops.  

"Say ah Chuck, I really see you out there at San Diego State, I think you'll be a great fit . . . so ah, you know, I've already contacted them and set up and interview for you".

Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 26, 2008, 10:54:21 AM
Come on now.

Dimel and Koenning combined have more D1 experience, more experience around decent to good programs and coaches (Snyder, Bowden, Stoops) and more time out on the trail recruiting legit BCS conference D1 talent than Ron Prince's entire lineup of coaching staffs over the last 3 years combined.



You can let go of Ron now.  I have.   :shy:

Look board nazi . . . i was just trying to make a point.



Isn't there some thread on a ku board you need to be watching?

 :peek:

I am on alert for when Rusty goes over there to glory hole.

Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 10:54:56 AM
Come on now.

Dimel and Koenning combined have more D1 experience, more experience around decent to good programs and coaches (Snyder, Bowden, Stoops) and more time out on the trail recruiting legit BCS conference D1 talent than Ron Prince's entire lineup of coaching staffs over the last 3 years combined.



Recruiting man!!! Recruiting!!!

Dimel:

Absolutely no one: http://arizona.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?coach=1792&Sport=1

Koenning:

Absolutely no one: http://clemson.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?coach=236&Sport=1

Right now I'd definitely take Franklin back as OC. Because, atleast he could recruit. :shy:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
Come on now.

Dimel and Koenning combined have more D1 experience, more experience around decent to good programs and coaches (Snyder, Bowden, Stoops) and more time out on the trail recruiting legit BCS conference D1 talent than Ron Prince's entire lineup of coaching staffs over the last 3 years combined.



Recruiting man!!! Recruiting!!!

Dimel:

Absolutely no one: http://arizona.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?coach=1792&Sport=1

Koenning:

Absolutely no one: http://clemson.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?coach=236&Sport=1

Right now I'd definitely take Franklin back as OC. Because, atleast he could recruit. :shy:

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=34315.0

Who does Chuck Long have?

Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 10:58:43 AM
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=118273796&mid=118273796&sid=889&style=2

Looks like we're just taking Wyoming's sloppy leftovers though.

Dimel (1997-1999) 22-13 as Wyoming Head Coach

Koenning (2000-2003) 5-29 as Wyoming Head Coach.

^ Kind of hard to take right there. :runaway:

yes except for the fact that neither would be a head coach here.  Not really sure how their head coaching record is all that relevant.  There are a ton of great cordinators that failed as head coaches and went back to being successful cordinators.   I'm not even sure Dimel will be OC but he'll be on the staff in some capacity.   

For those hating on the staff tell me do you think the guys Patterson has at tcu are better assitants then these guys?  I wanted Patterson as bad as the next guy but whatever staff Snyder brings will be better then the mid major staff Pattesron would have insisted on bringing.   

The point was that when these guys were directing the Wyoming football program they went a combined 27-42.

That's not very promising from any type of coaching standpoint. :blindfold:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: catchup on November 26, 2008, 10:59:42 AM
I would take Dimel's 4* WR and it isn't like Vic has alot to recruit to right now (you know the whole no HC thing). Also just food for thought DD is really connected to Darryl Wyatt as well.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on November 26, 2008, 11:00:15 AM
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=118273796&mid=118273796&sid=889&style=2

Looks like we're just taking Wyoming's sloppy leftovers though.

Dimel (1997-1999) 22-13 as Wyoming Head Coach

Koenning (2000-2003) 5-29 as Wyoming Head Coach.

^ Kind of hard to take right there. :runaway:

yes except for the fact that neither would be a head coach here.  Not really sure how their head coaching record is all that relevant.  There are a ton of great cordinators that failed as head coaches and went back to being successful cordinators.   I'm not even sure Dimel will be OC but he'll be on the staff in some capacity.   

For those hating on the staff tell me do you think the guys Patterson has at tcu are better assitants then these guys?  I wanted Patterson as bad as the next guy but whatever staff Snyder brings will be better then the mid major staff Pattesron would have insisted on bringing.   

The point was that when these guys were directing the Wyoming football program they went a combined 27-42.

That's not very promising from any type of coaching standpoint. :blindfold:

As of right now.  27-42 looks like the glory years for Wyoming . . . they just fired Joe Glenn.

Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 11:03:57 AM
I would take Dimel's 4* WR and it isn't like Vic has alot to recruit to right now (you know the whole no HC thing). Also just food for thought DD is really connected to Darryl Wyatt as well.

No, that is a target. Not a commitment. Dimel does not even have one commitment. :blindfold:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2008, 11:04:20 AM
Also just food for thought DD is really connected to Darryl Wyatt as well.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: cireksu on November 26, 2008, 11:42:57 AM
Also just food for thought DD is really connected to Darryl Wyatt as well.

:thumbsup:

I doubt wyatt would take a step down to come here from Southern Miss.  He's associate head coach there.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: catzacker on November 26, 2008, 11:45:24 AM
Once again I don't see either one of these coaches if hired being coaches in waiting... I think once Snyder hits his 3rd year under contract he hires a head coach in waiting... just my opinion.

Perhaps, maybe not.   My impression from the news conference is that he'll be in it for the long haul.

And..

FWIW.. think BV.

Thanks MJ, I won't be able to stand up at work for about an hour now.

My only concern about any asst./coordinator that Bill brings in is the possibility that they will end up being the HCIW.  I'd rather Bill said, "I'm here til I die", the "calming waters" frightens me.  But if it's BV as DC, then Bill can leave whenever he wants, he doesn't have to wait til he's dead (and I would assume that if it was BV the only way he'd come is if he's the HCIW).

FWIW, I'd take Dimel as OC before Chuckie.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: cireksu on November 26, 2008, 11:46:55 AM
Ummm if Dana Dimel is on this staff he WILL be the next head coach at KSU.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: catchup on November 26, 2008, 11:47:22 AM
Didn't say he was coming, just mentioned the connection.

I would love to have DD be a Co-OC
With Wyatt or Applewhite.

I also want Vic and of course I would love BV. I don't think that all would happen :D

I do hope we have a lot of cash to throw at people.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: catzacker on November 26, 2008, 11:47:42 AM
Ummm if Dana Dimel is on this staff he WILL be the next head coach at KSU.

then I don't want him.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: mjrod on November 26, 2008, 11:50:34 AM
Ummm if Dana Dimel is on this staff he WILL be the next head coach at KSU.

 :jerkoff:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: catzacker on November 26, 2008, 11:51:20 AM
Ummm if Dana Dimel is on this staff he WILL be the next head coach at KSU.

 :jerkoff:


 :runaway:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Chingon on November 26, 2008, 11:58:51 AM
This is Bill Snyder people, the OC is irrelevant.

the DC is promising (not thrilling) if its Koenning, Clemson had some players on D.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: mjrod on November 26, 2008, 12:24:26 PM
Once again I don't see either one of these coaches if hired being coaches in waiting... I think once Snyder hits his 3rd year under contract he hires a head coach in waiting... just my opinion.

Perhaps, maybe not.   My impression from the news conference is that he'll be in it for the long haul.

And..

FWIW.. think BV.

Thanks MJ, I won't be able to stand up at work for about an hour now.

My only concern about any asst./coordinator that Bill brings in is the possibility that they will end up being the HCIW.  I'd rather Bill said, "I'm here til I die", the "calming waters" frightens me.  But if it's BV as DC, then Bill can leave whenever he wants, he doesn't have to wait til he's dead (and I would assume that if it was BV the only way he'd come is if he's the HCIW).

FWIW, I'd take Dimel as OC before Chuckie.

The calming waters was probably more to justify his return, imo, but from what has been talked about by Krause and others, he made no mention of how long he wanted to coach.  He could go short, or long.   The HCIW is just based on what I believe is being set up.   There was considerable chatter from those who know Snyder that he preferred BV to be the heir apparent, and may still.  Don't be surprised if BV ends up KSU as the DC/CHC.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: elkwc on November 26, 2008, 12:28:35 PM
Come on now.

Dimel and Koenning combined have more D1 experience, more experience around decent to good programs and coaches (Snyder, Bowden, Stoops) and more time out on the trail recruiting legit BCS conference D1 talent than Ron Prince's entire lineup of coaching staffs over the last 3 years combined.



Recruiting man!!! Recruiting!!!

Dimel:

Absolutely no one: http://arizona.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?coach=1792&Sport=1

Koenning:

Absolutely no one: http://clemson.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?coach=236&Sport=1

Right now I'd definitely take Franklin back as OC. Because, atleast he could recruit. :shy:

I agree and still feel he needs some young energetic coaches who can recruit or some proven older recruiters. I've never heard either of these considered to be strong recruiters. Guess we may see soon.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: catzacker on November 26, 2008, 12:29:54 PM
Once again I don't see either one of these coaches if hired being coaches in waiting... I think once Snyder hits his 3rd year under contract he hires a head coach in waiting... just my opinion.

Perhaps, maybe not.   My impression from the news conference is that he'll be in it for the long haul.

And..

FWIW.. think BV.

Thanks MJ, I won't be able to stand up at work for about an hour now.

My only concern about any asst./coordinator that Bill brings in is the possibility that they will end up being the HCIW.  I'd rather Bill said, "I'm here til I die", the "calming waters" frightens me.  But if it's BV as DC, then Bill can leave whenever he wants, he doesn't have to wait til he's dead (and I would assume that if it was BV the only way he'd come is if he's the HCIW).

FWIW, I'd take Dimel as OC before Chuckie.

The calming waters was probably more to justify his return, imo, but from what has been talked about by Krause and others, he made no mention of how long he wanted to coach.  He could go short, or long.   The HCIW is just based on what I believe is being set up.   There was considerable chatter from those who know Snyder that he preferred BV to be the heir apparent, and may still.  Don't be surprised if BV ends up KSU as the DC/CHC.

This is what's going on in my pants right now:

(http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/10d-6/fireworks-washington-monument-2.jpg)
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: elkwc on November 26, 2008, 12:33:03 PM
Ummm if Dana Dimel is on this staff he WILL be the next head coach at KSU.

then I don't want him.
I second that
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: elkwc on November 26, 2008, 12:35:53 PM
Don't be surprised if BV ends up KSU as the DC/CHC.
That would brighten my day. :dancin:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 12:37:42 PM
Don't be surprised if BV ends up KSU as the DC/CHC.

LOL. Please don't mess with me. :'(
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: BRULL on November 26, 2008, 12:40:05 PM
IDK... I think Snyder should hire Elliot.




And then fire his ass and tell him that's what he should have done five years earlier.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: catzacker on November 26, 2008, 12:42:18 PM
Don't be surprised if BV ends up KSU as the DC/CHC.

LOL. Please don't mess with me. :'(

I know.  just look at him:
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Coach/PHOTO/VENABLES_BRENT150.JPG)
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 12:46:54 PM
Don't be surprised if BV ends up KSU as the DC/CHC.

LOL. Please don't mess with me. :'(

I know.  just look at him:
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Coach/PHOTO/VENABLES_BRENT150.JPG)

Jesus christ, I just came..... :censor:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: mjrod on November 26, 2008, 12:47:29 PM
Don't be surprised if BV ends up KSU as the DC/CHC.

LOL. Please don't mess with me. :'(

I know.  just look at him:
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Coach/PHOTO/VENABLES_BRENT150.JPG)

Jesus christ, I just came..... :censor:

Was that really necessary?
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 12:49:41 PM
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=34315.0

Who does Chuck Long have?

Harder to recruit to SDSU to play football. Obviously not to the city though. :shy:

And Chuck Long had the pleasure of being the OC on a team that was considered the "best of all time."

He was OC for a Bob Stoops team, that is good enough for me.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: McLovin on November 26, 2008, 01:00:51 PM
Def. not sold on Chuck Long, Major Applewhite, et al.  How hard is it to be O-Coord for a school with all the talent they can handle?  Stoops/Mack- "Here you go, there's an offensive roster full of really fast guys with ball skillz.  Try not to screw it up."  That's not where you find good OC's imo. 
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2008, 01:03:16 PM
Major Applewhite would be a fantastic hire.  He is without a doubt the best case scenario at OC.

And despite MJ's wishes, I will be ridiculously shocked if BV is on the staff.  It just makes no sense.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: cas on November 26, 2008, 01:04:57 PM
I will be ridiculously shocked if BV is on the staff.  It just makes no sense.

I hear ya. Tough to imagine that happening. Would be dreamy though.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: mjrod on November 26, 2008, 01:12:35 PM
And despite MJ's wishes, I will be ridiculously shocked if BV is on the staff.  It just makes no sense.

I'm not sure if you would be happy or sad if BV came on board.  In your current emotional state, could your head handle it?  Would you lose all control of your bodily functions?

 :billypopcorn:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: GoKatGo on November 26, 2008, 01:38:48 PM
Come on now.

Dimel and Koenning combined have more D1 experience, more experience around decent to good programs and coaches (Snyder, Bowden, Stoops) and more time out on the trail recruiting legit BCS conference D1 talent than Ron Prince's entire lineup of coaching staffs over the last 3 years combined.



Recruiting man!!! Recruiting!!!

Dimel:

Absolutely no one: http://arizona.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?coach=1792&Sport=1

Koenning:

Absolutely no one: http://clemson.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?coach=236&Sport=1

Right now I'd definitely take Franklin back as OC. Because, atleast he could recruit. :shy:

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=34315.0

Who does Chuck Long have?



I think you a plaque or something when you're a Heiman Runner Up....OOHHH, OOHHH....where's Michael Bishop?
 
I'm not sure we should put bishop on staff but we could send him to Aggieville to knock out Pike's :sleep:, he's good at that.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: BigXIIpowercat on November 26, 2008, 01:44:22 PM
Gus Malzahn - OC
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: kstatecollegian on November 26, 2008, 01:46:51 PM
FWIW, Brent Venables was in Kansas City last night and Bob Krause and Bill Snyder were nowhere to be found. Little tidbit for you. Earlier I hinted that everyone would be pleasantly surprised with the d-coordinator. I still think you will.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2008, 01:56:00 PM
FWIW, Brent Venables was in Kansas City last night

don't believe it.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: cireksu on November 26, 2008, 02:03:26 PM
This hire is only good if BV is here.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: SUPERKSUFAN on November 26, 2008, 02:05:30 PM
FWIW, Brent Venables was in Kansas City last night and Bob Krause and Bill Snyder were nowhere to be found. Little tidbit for you. Earlier I hinted that everyone would be pleasantly surprised with the d-coordinator. I still think you will.
BV must have forgot he has a game in Stillwater this weekend....don't buy it my friend (not unless you have photo proof)
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: kstatecollegian on November 26, 2008, 02:06:43 PM
FWIW, Brent Venables was in Kansas City last night and Bob Krause and Bill Snyder were nowhere to be found. Little tidbit for you. Earlier I hinted that everyone would be pleasantly surprised with the d-coordinator. I still think you will.
BV must have forgot he has a game in Stillwater this weekend....don't buy it my friend (not unless you have photo proof)
He had the evening off last night.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 02:10:21 PM
He had the evening off last night.

Like Stoops gives "evenings off" for his assistants to travel away to other states on a game week where your opponent is a top 12 in-state rival & the game happens to be the biggest of the CFB week. :shy:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: mjrod on November 26, 2008, 02:11:45 PM
He had the evening off last night.

Like Stoops gives "evenings off" on a game week where your opponent is a top 12 in-state rival & the game happens to be the biggest of the CFB week. :shy:

Stoops doesn't make his assistants work late nights like Snyder.  BV was only getting his last fun in before he assumes his new duties.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: kstatecollegian on November 26, 2008, 02:15:44 PM
He had the evening off last night.

Like Stoops gives "evenings off" on a game week where your opponent is a top 12 in-state rival & the game happens to be the biggest of the CFB week. :shy:
Believe what you want. It doesn't hurt my feelings. Just wanted to fill you in. I'm telling you, from what I know, Snyder wants him here.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: iowa_wildcat on November 26, 2008, 02:17:37 PM
Stoops does not work his assistants on Wednesday evenings.  It is family night at the office and he has dinner catered in for all involved--wives and children included.  Stoops picks up the tab and leads in games for the kids.  My info is from Mrs. Jonathan Hayes who happens to be a personal friend and old neighbor.  Venables is single last I knew so it would be easy to him to beg off.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 02:17:54 PM
I know.  just look at him:
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Coach/PHOTO/VENABLES_BRENT150.JPG)

Jesus christ, I just came..... :censor:

Was that really necessary?

Is it necessary of me to drink my own urine? I do it anyway though because it is sterile & I like the taste.

But to be honest, most likely it wasn't. But I did put the little censor emoticon to warn people about what that post consisted of. :shy:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 02:20:04 PM
He had the evening off last night.

Like Stoops gives "evenings off" on a game week where your opponent is a top 12 in-state rival & the game happens to be the biggest of the CFB week. :shy:
Believe what you want. It doesn't hurt my feelings. Just wanted to fill you in. I'm telling you, from what I know, Snyder wants him here.

Good to know. And if Bill didn't........I would know then for a fact that he is an insane old man.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: mjrod on November 26, 2008, 02:20:25 PM
I know.  just look at him:
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Coach/PHOTO/VENABLES_BRENT150.JPG)

Jesus christ, I just came..... :censor:

Was that really necessary?

Is it necessary of me to drink my own urine? I do it anyway though because it is sterile & I like the taste.

But to be honest, most likely it wasn't. But I did put the little censor avatar to warn people about what that post consisted of. :shy:

Keep it to yourself.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: catchup on November 26, 2008, 02:33:19 PM
with BV and Vic as CO-DC's and Vic bringing Rumph then our shot with the Brown Bros. just went way up.


Of course I think that the BV thing is pretty tough to envision.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: ksuchris2000 on November 26, 2008, 02:34:45 PM
OK... Other Than his history at K-STate and the Iowa / Bill Snyder / Bob Stoops pedigree, What has Brent Venables really done? His defenses since Mike Stoops left have been mediocre at best. He gets revved up for the big game now and then (last weekend sticks out the most), but other than that... Can you name any times or games that BV has had an awesome defense? What about the past 4 bowl game defensive crumblings? Not to mention the 98 crumbling against A&M. OU Can keep BV for all I'm concerned.

Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 02:35:49 PM
I know.  just look at him:
(http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Coach/PHOTO/VENABLES_BRENT150.JPG)

Jesus christ, I just came..... :censor:

Was that really necessary?

Is it necessary of me to drink my own urine? I do it anyway though because it is sterile & I like the taste.

But to be honest, most likely it wasn't. But I did put the little censor avatar to warn people about what that post consisted of. :shy:

Keep it to yourself.

 :curse: :mad: :banghead:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 02:36:48 PM
What has Brent Venables really done?

Did you watch the TT vs. OU game last weekend? :billypopcorn:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Legore on November 26, 2008, 02:37:00 PM
Stoops does not work his assistants on Wednesday evenings.  It is family night at the office and he has dinner catered in for all involved--wives and children included.  Stoops picks up the tab and leads in games for the kids.  My info is from Mrs. Jonathan Hayes who happens to be a personal friend and old neighbor.  Venables is single last I knew so it would be easy to him to beg off.

Venables is married and has children.  
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: ksuchris2000 on November 26, 2008, 02:38:23 PM
What has Brent Venables really done?

Did you watch the TT vs. OU game last weekend? :billypopcorn:

did you read my post?
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 26, 2008, 02:40:59 PM
What has Brent Venables really done?

Did you watch the TT vs. OU game last weekend? :billypopcorn:

did you read my post?

Yes, but you can't just throw out that he did in fact completely shut down the #1 offense in the nation.

I mean, it was incredible.....TT hadn't scored under 45 points in a game the entire season.

Then with one minute left in the OU game they only had fourteen points. :eek:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: AzCat on November 26, 2008, 02:43:43 PM
OK... Other Than his history at K-STate and the Iowa / Bill Snyder / Bob Stoops pedigree, What has Brent Venables really done? His defenses since Mike Stoops left have been mediocre at best. He gets revved up for the big game now and then (last weekend sticks out the most), but other than that... Can you name any times or games that BV has had an awesome defense? What about the past 4 bowl game defensive crumblings? Not to mention the 98 crumbling against A&M. OU Can keep BV for all I'm concerned.

Thank you.  Glad I'm not the only sane person here.

[Devil's Advocate]
Brent *might* be OK as HCIW *if* he'd be able to hire a real DC when the time came while he concentrated on recruiting.
[/Devil's Advocate]
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: ksuchris2000 on November 26, 2008, 02:46:28 PM
I totally expect to see BV on this website sometime.

http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com/ (http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com/)
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: ksuchris2000 on November 26, 2008, 02:51:02 PM
FWIW, Brent Venables was in Kansas City last night and Bob Krause and Bill Snyder were nowhere to be found. Little tidbit for you. Earlier I hinted that everyone would be pleasantly surprised with the d-coordinator. I still think you will.

I Think I am going to sign back up as "WichitaEagle" or "KCStar" and start making outlandish claims of fact.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: catzacker on November 26, 2008, 03:00:29 PM
i wish we could complain about how our DC sucks in BCS bowl games.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: ksuchris2000 on November 26, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
i wish we could complain about how our DC sucks in BCS bowl games.

TouChe!
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: LimestoneOutcropping on November 26, 2008, 03:31:58 PM
No way in hell that hunk of mancandy is single.

Unless he is gay in which case... :fatty:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2008, 04:38:58 PM
OK... Other Than his history at K-STate and the Iowa / Bill Snyder / Bob Stoops pedigree, What has Brent Venables really done? His defenses since Mike Stoops left have been mediocre at best. He gets revved up for the big game now and then (last weekend sticks out the most), but other than that... Can you name any times or games that BV has had an awesome defense? What about the past 4 bowl game defensive crumblings? Not to mention the 98 crumbling against A&M. OU Can keep BV for all I'm concerned.



WOW.
This info is handy if you like making dipsh*ts look like dipsh*ts.

OU's offensive YPP rank, conference games only:

2007: 6th
2006: 9th
2005: 4th
2004: 2nd

Compared to BV's defenses:

2007: 3rd
2006: 1st
2005: 3rd
2004: 1st

stats pulled from this jewel of a site. (http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/leader/25354/team/defense/split07/category10/sort02.html)

Anyone who says Venables' defenses suck, is stupid.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: elkwc on November 27, 2008, 09:00:12 AM
OK... Other Than his history at K-STate and the Iowa / Bill Snyder / Bob Stoops pedigree, What has Brent Venables really done? His defenses since Mike Stoops left have been mediocre at best. He gets revved up for the big game now and then (last weekend sticks out the most), but other than that... Can you name any times or games that BV has had an awesome defense? What about the past 4 bowl game defensive crumblings? Not to mention the 98 crumbling against A&M. OU Can keep BV for all I'm concerned.



WOW.
This info is handy if you like making dipsh*ts look like dipsh*ts.

OU's offensive YPP rank, conference games only:

2007: 6th
2006: 9th
2005: 4th
2004: 2nd

Compared to BV's defenses:

2007: 3rd
2006: 1st
2005: 3rd
2004: 1st

stats pulled from this jewel of a site. (http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/leader/25354/team/defense/split07/category10/sort02.html)

Anyone who says Venables' defenses suck, is stupid.
Agreed Rusty and hope he is on our sidelines next year. Will be good for recruiting and also as a coach. I know him and Snyder are close friends and coach Snyder has always been high on him. That is enough for me. Kept hearing Snyder wanted him if he returned. Hope this is true. I will have even more to be thankful for.  :dancin:
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: steve dave on November 27, 2008, 09:35:48 AM
d00ds!  Brett Venables is amazing looking.  Just a little fwiw (< for what it's worth)  8-)
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: cas on November 27, 2008, 10:01:26 AM
d00ds!  Brett Venables is amazing looking.  Just a little fwiw (< for what it's worth)  8-)

I know dude. Why don't people just admit this?
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: ksufanatic7 on November 27, 2008, 10:56:43 AM
BV's looks > Jay Wright???
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: Pett on November 27, 2008, 10:59:19 AM
Don't be surprised if BV ends up KSU as the DC/CHC.

If Venables comes in with Snyder as a DC/HCIW deal, it is definitely a better hire then just Patterson could ever be.
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: scottwildcat on November 27, 2008, 11:03:58 AM
Don't be surprised if BV ends up KSU as the DC/CHC.

If Venables comes in with Snyder as a DC/HCIW deal, it is definitely a better hire then just Patterson could ever be.


2 weeks ago idk if i would of agreed but i do now because i think FPGP is scared of big time football and don't think he'd get the job done that Snyder could do on his own let alone w/ Sexy on the sidelines w/him
Title: Re: First report on possible new OC/DC. Good news & bad news.
Post by: ksu98 on November 27, 2008, 04:05:56 PM
http://clemson.rivals.com/viewcoach.asp?Year=2009&Sport=1&Coach=1981
How about this guy for defensive coordnator if you get what i'm going at.