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Well, he converted like a year ago. He used to be cool. What are some anti-christian things I can say, so he has no answer, and maybe he can see through his delusions. I'm about to go golf with him. We got into a discussion earlier this year, and everything I said to dispute whatever, he would make some outrageous excuse. He was also prepared for anything I would fire at him. For example, I remember saying something like, "well scientists figured out a way to create something similar to life, like it had the outer membrane and some enzymes or whatever inside." He then said like, "no dude, they shriveled up, its impossible, life was created by god," completely ignoring the fact that well, of course they don't know how to exactly create life, but they've shown that its pretty much possible. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't really remember what else we got into, just lots of science sh1t and other sh1t like sinning. I also mentioned some sh1t I learned from philosophy, but like he was ready for it too. Like these fracks are conditioned to defend their religion no matter what. I just don't understand how someone can be like "oh man, I have problems, I dunno what to do with life, oh wait I can follow god, he can help all my problems go away." Like that's not being strong at all, that's just being delusional and taking the easy way out.
Feel free to vent about jesus freaks.
BTW, christianity is cool. No "haterade" here. Just jesus freaks.
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dude u should already know why he is that way he joined the half ton club and had a crazy trip. I dont know what sent him over the edge though whether it was the fatties or the trip.
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Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
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Well growing up as an agnostic in Texas, the best way to deal with the really crazy Christians is to just not talk about religion and stuff with them. If they keep shoving the subject in your face, tell them to shut up, if they keep at it, either dismantle their arguments or get new friends. I usually go with the "get new friends" option.
Most of the Christians in the Austin area are pretty chill though.
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dude u should already know why he is that way he joined the half ton club and had a crazy trip. I dont know what sent him over the edge though whether it was the fatties or the trip.
Yea I know. It is a lost cause. But I really want to pwn him cause I know he's going to put the "full court press" on me, since I feel like he's trying to "save" me. Yesterday he asked me if I need him to pray for anything.
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Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
He just mentions sh1t like "life is a test" or whatever generic excuse they give. I remember I asked him where I'm going to go when I die, and he didn't give me a clear answer. :ohno:
This is interesting though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3VAEYEG53w
Also, its weird how everything a jesus freak says just seems so empty.
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dude u should already know why he is that way he joined the half ton club and had a crazy trip. I dont know what sent him over the edge though whether it was the fatties or the trip.
Yea I know. It is a lost cause. But I really want to pwn him cause I know he's going to put the "full court press" on me, since I feel like he's trying to "save" me. Yesterday he asked me if I need him to pray for anything.
frack it just message me.
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Ask him about the need for a New Testament, and why if God is all knowing and omnipotent, then he would know he was getting it wrong the first time and killing a lot of people out of spite and sending them to hell for his mistakes. There would be no need for a "new" testament, you dumbarse tard.
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advice for stunner... use this on your so called friend...
so buddy boy (saved christian) your telling me you wouldnt want to RAIL, NAIL, BOINK, F*CK, or MUNCH on jennifer anistons cvnt?????
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stunner since this SIN BAG just switched sides recently. really really drag his a** down on SINS you have seen this fool commit. kill him with guilt.
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Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
Job.
:nahnah:
jk, jk.
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Casually ask him: "If God is all powerful, can he make a rock so large that He, Himself can't lift ?"
BTW, this is classic George Carlin.
And Good Luck !
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Casually ask him: "If God is all powerful, can he make a rock so large that He, Himself can't lift ?"
BTW, this is classic George Carlin.
And Good Luck !
How about a classless version? Can god create cocaine so powerful, that he himself cannot use? Or can god create a hooker so skanky and std-infested, that he himself cannot bang? (http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/emoticons/smile_omg.gif)
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Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
Job.
:nahnah:
jk, jk.
Yeah that fable doesn't reflect well on a just god.
Also, why would God even bother condemning bad people to live out their lives if their fate is pre-determined? What is the point if he has the power to change everything? If he does not use that power then he is unjust. The suffering of this world is not excused by any future life/eternity. That does not make this life unreal.
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You could just go play golf?
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Pretty much one of my favorite websites ever...
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
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Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
Job.
:nahnah:
jk, jk.
Yeah that fable doesn't reflect well on a just god.
Also, why would God even bother condemning bad people to live out their lives if their fate is pre-determined? What is the point if he has the power to change everything? If he does not use that power then he is unjust. The suffering of this world is not excused by any future life/eternity. That does not make this life unreal.
yeah, but they will tell you suffering is apart of his plan for us, and god's plan is above human understanding.
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I get so pissed when somebody says God has a plan for them, they survived yada yada so they know that God was there and is not "done" using them for a greater purpose. Well frackhead, so he kills little kids that have never commmited a sin, have a hell of a lot more potential than you ever will, but, in his infinite wisdom he wants you to live on in a drunken stupor? I usually punch them at this point if they try to respond, I suggest you do the same. :mad:
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I get so pissed when somebody says God has a plan for them, they survived yada yada so they know that God was there and is not "done" using them for a greater purpose. Well frackhead, so he kills little kids that have never commmited a sin, have a hell of a lot more potential than you ever will, but, in his infinite wisdom he wants you to live on in a drunken stupor? I usually punch them at this point if they try to respond, I suggest you do the same. :mad:
I don't recall that passage in the Bible.
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I get so pissed when somebody says God has a plan for them, they survived yada yada so they know that God was there and is not "done" using them for a greater purpose. Well frackhead, so he kills little kids that have never commmited a sin, have a hell of a lot more potential than you ever will, but, in his infinite wisdom he wants you to live on in a drunken stupor? I usually punch them at this point if they try to respond, I suggest you do the same. :mad:
I don't recall that passage in the Bible.
you've never heard of a child that died? Some horribly? hth
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What are some anti-christian things I can say,
Well since you're going to play golf with him that gives you the perfect opportunity to abuse the Lord's name. After every bad shot just unleash a stream of Goddammits and Jeezus Christs.
Then ask him if it was God's will that made you hit a bad shot.
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I get so pissed when somebody says God has a plan for them, they survived yada yada so they know that God was there and is not "done" using them for a greater purpose. Well frackhead, so he kills little kids that have never commmited a sin, have a hell of a lot more potential than you ever will, but, in his infinite wisdom he wants you to live on in a drunken stupor? I usually punch them at this point if they try to respond, I suggest you do the same. :mad:
I don't recall that passage in the Bible.
you've never heard of a child that died? Some horribly? hth
So every child that dies is killed by God? Pretty sure that's not in the Bible.
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Back on topic. Get your friend to know some of the Argyle Square posters. I'm sure that will "cure" him !
:cyclist: :cyclist: :cyclist: :cyclist:
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I recommend you not waste your time. If your friend was the type of person who could be convinced by things like logic or pointing out the obvious flaws in religion he wouldn't be a theist in the first place.
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People that don't have tolerance for those with faith are no better than in your face bible beaters. IMO
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Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
We're his entertainment. God set the wheels in motion and now he's just chilling back, watching everything go down. He doesn't intervene. He doesn't help actresses win the Oscar or help athletes break records, despite the fact they may feel compelled to thank him for their own achievements. He also doesn't "let bad things happen". They just happen. Whatever crapty thing currently going on in the world today isn't due to anything other than mankind's own long history of dumbassery.
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Maybe you should just leave him be and let him believe what he wants to believe.
Suddenly its atheists going militant and spewing their crap all over everyone else. At least your friend is trying to help you, you just want to try and wreck his beliefs though impossible, since God can neither be proven to exist nor disproven. Might as well suck it up and learn to tolerate other people.
Interesting read btw:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/07/31/religion_science/
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Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
Just because you don't believe in an interventionist God doesn't mean there is no God at all.
And the case could be made that dropping people into a situation and observing how they handle it, completely on their own, would be a good way of judging people's character and judging the good in a collective people. Don't do anything to influence their decisions and don't infringe on their free will.
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Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
Just because you don't believe in an interventionist God doesn't mean there is no God at all.
And the case could be made that dropping people into a situation and observing how they handle it, completely on their own, would be a good way of judging people's character and judging the good in a collective people. Don't do anything to influence their decisions and don't infringe on their free will.
yes, but that is not their belief. His fundamentalist Christian friend believes that he possesses a unique interpretation of what god is and what his goals for us are. If everyone sort of just believed in life as a general judgement period and acted in the world's best interest this wouldn't be such a big deal. The problem is that these a-holes have insane beliefs that they not only would like to talk to me about, but that they want to impose through policies. I don't go up to people and try to tell them their little magic show is a joke, but if the dude is preaching to stunner he has every right to tell him he's a tard. Stunner didn't bring it up, the tard did.
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When I go to church I'm a Jesus Freak man.
Haven't been to church in awhile tho. Like...3-4 months
But I give people who don't wanna hear it their space. I don't bother them. Ill talk to them, but when as far as religion. I won't mention it.
I just thought that I would let y'all know that.
This will be my first and last post in this thread.
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My standby is the "Why would god send Ghandi to hell?" argument.
Basically that religion is 90% culture and regional. Those that grow up in India, with Hindu friends and family, generally have those beliefs. Same with Muslims, Buddists, Jews, ect. Some of those people of other religions are great people, who spend their entire lives doing nothing but good for others. They make the world better, they feed the hungry, fight oppression and strive for peace. But the Christian god sends them to hell simply based on what culture they were born into. That sort of god is an asshole, who I don't care to spend eternity with anyway.
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muslim is the best one.
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I get so pissed when somebody says God has a plan for them, they survived yada yada so they know that God was there and is not "done" using them for a greater purpose. Well frackhead, so he kills little kids that have never commmited a sin, have a hell of a lot more potential than you ever will, but, in his infinite wisdom he wants you to live on in a drunken stupor? I usually punch them at this point if they try to respond, I suggest you do the same. :mad:
I don't recall that passage in the Bible.
you've never heard of a child that died? Some horribly? hth
So every child that dies is killed by God? Pretty sure that's not in the Bible.
First, consider yourself punched. Now when you wake up, try and follow along here. Dumbass#1 says to me that God has a plan for him, he has not completed his assigned task.
A little boy of two dies in a horrible car crash, or what have you. (and yes, if you believe God has plans for you, therefore is in control, then yes, he kills at his discretion, nobody just dies.)
I ask dumbass how it is that he is so special that God could not do more with the life of the little boy he killed? Dumbass may be nothing more than a drunk, and of course a dumbass too.
Point is, if you ever say God has a plan for you because of some special task you're a dumbass.
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We're his entertainment. God set the wheels in motion and now he's just chilling back, watching everything go down. He doesn't intervene. He doesn't help actresses win the Oscar or help athletes break records, despite the fact they may feel compelled to thank him for their own achievements. He also doesn't "let bad things happen". They just happen. Whatever crapty thing currently going on in the world today isn't due to anything other than mankind's own long history of dumbassery.
QFMFT
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My standby is the "Why would god send Ghandi to hell?" argument.
Basically that religion is 90% culture and regional. Those that grow up in India, with Hindu friends and family, generally have those beliefs. Same with Muslims, Buddists, Jews, ect. Some of those people of other religions are great people, who spend their entire lives doing nothing but good for others. They make the world better, they feed the hungry, fight oppression and strive for peace. But the Christian god sends them to hell simply based on what culture they were born into. That sort of god is an asshole, who I don't care to spend eternity with anyway.
Another that needs a QFT
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I get so pissed when somebody says God has a plan for them, they survived yada yada so they know that God was there and is not "done" using them for a greater purpose. Well frackhead, so he kills little kids that have never commmited a sin, have a hell of a lot more potential than you ever will, but, in his infinite wisdom he wants you to live on in a drunken stupor? I usually punch them at this point if they try to respond, I suggest you do the same. :mad:
I don't recall that passage in the Bible.
you've never heard of a child that died? Some horribly? hth
So every child that dies is killed by God? Pretty sure that's not in the Bible.
First, consider yourself punched. Now when you wake up, try and follow along here. Dumbass#1 says to me that God has a plan for him, he has not completed his assigned task.
A little boy of two dies in a horrible car crash, or what have you. (and yes, if you believe God has plans for you, therefore is in control, then yes, he kills at his discretion, nobody just dies.)
I ask dumbass how it is that he is so special that God could not do more with the life of the little boy he killed? Dumbass may be nothing more than a drunk, and of course a dumbass too.
Point is, if you ever say God has a plan for you because of some special task you're a dumbass.
Wow. You kind of jump around in your conclusions and they just don't match. Having a plan for your life and decreeing the exact events of your life are not the same thing. Are you currently God's puppet only to be controlled by his every whim? When you scratched your butt this morning and smelled your fingers was that a holy decree? People have free will. To blame him for a car wreck when God isn't driving the car is lazy, irresponsible, and bitter.
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muslim is the best one.
Budhism IMHO.
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I get so pissed when somebody says God has a plan for them, they survived yada yada so they know that God was there and is not "done" using them for a greater purpose. Well frackhead, so he kills little kids that have never commmited a sin, have a hell of a lot more potential than you ever will, but, in his infinite wisdom he wants you to live on in a drunken stupor? I usually punch them at this point if they try to respond, I suggest you do the same. :mad:
Okay, one more time, this is about people who make claims like, "I was in this horrible crash, thrown 300 ft though the air, hit a brink wall going 80 mph with my head and lived, God was looking out for me that day and I now know that he has something for me yet to do". If you accept that, then you accept that every other person, in this example a child, has not the value to God as you. It's immensely arrogant, unbelievably arrogant.
I don't recall that passage in the Bible.
you've never heard of a child that died? Some horribly? hth
So every child that dies is killed by God? Pretty sure that's not in the Bible.
First, consider yourself punched. Now when you wake up, try and follow along here. Dumbass#1 says to me that God has a plan for him, he has not completed his assigned task.
A little boy of two dies in a horrible car crash, or what have you. (and yes, if you believe God has plans for you, therefore is in control, then yes, he kills at his discretion, nobody just dies.)
I ask dumbass how it is that he is so special that God could not do more with the life of the little boy he killed? Dumbass may be nothing more than a drunk, and of course a dumbass too.
Point is, if you ever say God has a plan for you because of some special task you're a dumbass.
Wow. You kind of jump around in your conclusions and they just don't match. Having a plan for your life and decreeing the exact events of your life are not the same thing. Are you currently God's puppet only to be controlled by his every whim? When you scratched your butt this morning and smelled your fingers was that a holy decree? People have free will. To blame him for a car wreck when God isn't driving the car is lazy, irresponsible, and bitter.
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Kst8ter is trying awfully hard to discredit Christianity. Turn his post count upside down and I think you'll see why.
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Kst8ter is trying awfully hard to discredit Christianity. Turn his post count upside down and I think you'll see why.
:ohno: :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:
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:runaway: :runaway: :runaway: :runaway:
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Kst8ter is trying awfully hard to discredit Christianity. Turn his post count upside down and I think you'll see why.
:lol: :thumbsup: :sword:
Okay, one more time, this is about people who make claims like, "I was in this horrible crash, thrown 300 ft though the air, hit a brink wall going 80 mph with my head and lived, God was looking out for me that day and I now know that he has something for me yet to do". If you accept that, then you accept that every other person who did die, a crash in this example and a child, has not the value to God as you. It's immensely arrogant, unbelievably arrogant.
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Kst8ter is trying awfully hard to discredit Christianity. Turn his post count upside down and I think you'll see why.
:lol: :thumbsup: :sword:
Okay, one more time, this is about people who make claims like, "I was in this horrible crash, thrown 300 ft though the air, hit a brink wall going 80 mph with my head and lived, God was looking out for me that day and I now know that he has something for me yet to do". If you accept that, then you accept that every other person who did die, a crash in this example and a child, has not the value to God as you. It's immensely arrogant, unbelievably arrogant.
You've now ruined my post. :blank:
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Ask him if he believes in the Big Bang theory. When he comes off as offended, ask him what is more divine than a massive boom in the sky and suddenly everything is created.
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I get so pissed when somebody says God has a plan for them, they survived yada yada so they know that God was there and is not "done" using them for a greater purpose. Well frackhead, so he kills little kids that have never commmited a sin, have a hell of a lot more potential than you ever will, but, in his infinite wisdom he wants you to live on in a drunken stupor? I usually punch them at this point if they try to respond, I suggest you do the same. :mad:
I don't recall that passage in the Bible.
you've never heard of a child that died? Some horribly? hth
So every child that dies is killed by God? Pretty sure that's not in the Bible.
First, consider yourself punched. Now when you wake up, try and follow along here. Dumbass#1 says to me that God has a plan for him, he has not completed his assigned task.
A little boy of two dies in a horrible car crash, or what have you. (and yes, if you believe God has plans for you, therefore is in control, then yes, he kills at his discretion, nobody just dies.)
I ask dumbass how it is that he is so special that God could not do more with the life of the little boy he killed? Dumbass may be nothing more than a drunk, and of course a dumbass too.
Point is, if you ever say God has a plan for you because of some special task you're a dumbass.
Wow. You kind of jump around in your conclusions and they just don't match. Having a plan for your life and decreeing the exact events of your life are not the same thing. Are you currently God's puppet only to be controlled by his every whim? When you scratched your butt this morning and smelled your fingers was that a holy decree? People have free will. To blame him for a car wreck when God isn't driving the car is lazy, irresponsible, and bitter.
Either God is not all-powerful or God allows these things to happen. Free will is irrelevant.
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Pretty much one of my favorite websites ever...
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Did no one read any of the above website? Not one comment... :'( x 50
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This reminds me of my coworker who's religion is the 9/11 truth movement. Yesterday we were talking about the Chinese earthquake and somehow that related to a 9/11 conspiracy. Somehow ever lunch conversation turns into a 9/11 conspiracy discussion, no matter what. So yesterday I said "you're just like talking to a religious person." The worst part about it is that he's trying to convince this other guy who just became a citizen and has no clue about politics that it was a conspiracy. At least he was smart enough to ask the question "So what are you going to do about it?"
Same thing with God--doesn't matter if there is or isn't one. There's nothing you can do about it, and I doubt he/she/it gives a crap if you grovel adequately or not. Maybe God's plan is to have you live, die, and turn back into dust. Just be happy your ass wasn't aborted, or stillborn, or that you weren't born an ant or an ameoba.
Here's the problem with most religious people...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHnDIlObAJo
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Either God is not all-powerful or God allows these things to happen. Free will is irrelevant.
Huh? God allowing things to happen = free will. We do whatever we want and we live with the consequences.
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Just tattoo 666 on your forehead, he won't bother you anymore. :billypopcorn:
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Either God is not all-powerful or God allows these things to happen. Free will is irrelevant.
Huh? God allowing things to happen = free will. We do whatever we want and we live with the consequences.
The implied third wheel is that God is just/God is good. I mentioned it earlier, but didn't here.
i.e.: God cannot be all-knowing, all-powerful and benign/just if he allows the sorts of calamities that he does. Their presence suggests that he either is not able to intervene, could not anticipate them or is complicit or directly responsible for their occurrence.
If you read doom's original quote what I said makes better sense:
Wow. You kind of jump around in your conclusions and they just don't match. Having a plan for your life and decreeing the exact events of your life are not the same thing. Are you currently God's puppet only to be controlled by his every whim? When you scratched your butt this morning and smelled your fingers was that a holy decree? People have free will. To blame him for a car wreck when God isn't driving the car is lazy, irresponsible, and bitter.
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i.e.: God cannot be all-knowing, all-powerful and benign/just if he allows the sorts of calamities that he does. Their presence suggests that he either is not able to intervene, could not anticipate them or is complicit or directly responsible for their occurrence.
Why not? I've heard this argument a thousand times and I still don't understand it. God can be all-powerful, all-knowing, and benign and still "allow" bad things to happen. He's not a babysitter, watching over us to make sure we don't hurt ourselves. He created life and now it's up to us to determine what we do with it. I believe he's rooting for us, wanting us to make the right decisions but he's not going to intervene because he grants us free will.
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i.e.: God cannot be all-knowing, all-powerful and benign/just if he allows the sorts of calamities that he does. Their presence suggests that he either is not able to intervene, could not anticipate them or is complicit or directly responsible for their occurrence.
Why not? I've heard this argument a thousand times and I still don't understand it. God can be all-powerful, all-knowing, and benign and still "allow" bad things to happen. He's not a babysitter, watching over us to make sure we don't hurt ourselves. He created life and now it's up to us to determine what we do with it. I believe he's rooting for us, wanting us to make the right decisions but he's not going to intervene because he grants us free will.
I guess it all depends on if you believe that people who don't believe in Jesus go to hell. If everybody goes to heaven for eternity, then what happens on earth is essentially irrelevent. (Or if there is not afterlife) In that case, I can buy your argument. If God allows souls to rot in hell for not "accepting Jesus" then God isn't just. If he is just, and can't stop them from going to hell, then God isn't all powerful. It's not really that hard to understand.
It's the undeniable hypocracy of the Christian version of god. A child in Singapore dies in an earthquake. She has never even been introduced to the idea of Jesus, Christianity...maybe not even monotheism, but an all loving, all powerful god allows her soul to be tortured in hell forever. "hey rules are rules...but I was rootin' for ya!"
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Since when does believing in God = Christianity? Jesus is irrelevant to this discussion. I do believe in heaven and hell and I think the totality of our actions here on earth determine where we go. It isn't as simple as "I was baptized so I'm getting into heaven!" or vice versa. If you live a good life, you to go heaven. If you're an evil scumbag, you go to hell. Pretty simple concept and it seems pretty just to me.
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Since when does believing in God = Christianity? Jesus is irrelevant to this discussion. I do believe in heaven and hell and I think the totality of our actions here on earth determine where we go. It isn't as simple as "I was baptized so I'm getting into heaven!" or vice versa. If you live a good life, you to go heaven. If you're an evil scumbag, you go to hell. Pretty simple concept and it seems pretty just to me.
This whole thread is about Christianity.
What religion are you then? If you aren't operating under any dogma, then god can be whatever you want him to be. Which is essentially how religions are formed anyway.
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i.e.: God cannot be all-knowing, all-powerful and benign/just if he allows the sorts of calamities that he does. Their presence suggests that he either is not able to intervene, could not anticipate them or is complicit or directly responsible for their occurrence.
Why not? I've heard this argument a thousand times and I still don't understand it. God can be all-powerful, all-knowing, and benign and still "allow" bad things to happen. He's not a babysitter, watching over us to make sure we don't hurt ourselves. He created life and now it's up to us to determine what we do with it. I believe he's rooting for us, wanting us to make the right decisions but he's not going to intervene because he grants us free will.
Hurricanes? Or are those just "tests?" What about cancer? What about famine? What about drought? Benign? Really?
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i.e.: God cannot be all-knowing, all-powerful and benign/just if he allows the sorts of calamities that he does. Their presence suggests that he either is not able to intervene, could not anticipate them or is complicit or directly responsible for their occurrence.
Why not? I've heard this argument a thousand times and I still don't understand it. God can be all-powerful, all-knowing, and benign and still "allow" bad things to happen. He's not a babysitter, watching over us to make sure we don't hurt ourselves. He created life and now it's up to us to determine what we do with it. I believe he's rooting for us, wanting us to make the right decisions but he's not going to intervene because he grants us free will.
Hurricanes? Or are those just "tests?" What about cancer? What about famine? What about drought? Benign? Really?
WTF? So now natural disasters are evidence that God is a dick? Aren't there scientific explanations for these things? As I said before, God doesn't intervene. He created the world billions of years ago and turned it loose. He doesn't send down hurricanes to punish or test us. He's a creator, not a puppet master. The world today is a result of evolution, some of which is influenced by the actions of man. Like pollution for instance.
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So basically God is just an evaluator. He decides at the end of everyone's life if they are going to Hell or Heaven. Your sciencey explanation for Hurricanes doesn't make your afterlife scenario any more plausible.
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i.e.: God cannot be all-knowing, all-powerful and benign/just if he allows the sorts of calamities that he does. Their presence suggests that he either is not able to intervene, could not anticipate them or is complicit or directly responsible for their occurrence.
Why not? I've heard this argument a thousand times and I still don't understand it. God can be all-powerful, all-knowing, and benign and still "allow" bad things to happen. He's not a babysitter, watching over us to make sure we don't hurt ourselves. He created life and now it's up to us to determine what we do with it. I believe he's rooting for us, wanting us to make the right decisions but he's not going to intervene because he grants us free will.
I guess it all depends on if you believe that people who don't believe in Jesus go to hell. If everybody goes to heaven for eternity, then what happens on earth is essentially irrelevent. (Or if there is not afterlife) In that case, I can buy your argument. If God allows souls to rot in hell for not "accepting Jesus" then God isn't just. If he is just, and can't stop them from going to hell, then God isn't all powerful. It's not really that hard to understand.
It's the undeniable hypocracy of the Christian version of god. A child in Singapore dies in an earthquake. She has never even been introduced to the idea of Jesus, Christianity...maybe not even monotheism, but an all loving, all powerful god allows her soul to be tortured in hell forever. "hey rules are rules...but I was rootin' for ya!"
Ever, read the Bible? God only says that he will judge at the end. The Bible only tells us if you have heard of Jesus then you have a decision to make. He also sent Jesus to die for the sin of every person who ever lived, even the child in Singapore. It's hard for me to believe that God would ignore the fact that someone had not heard of Jesus.
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i.e.: God cannot be all-knowing, all-powerful and benign/just if he allows the sorts of calamities that he does. Their presence suggests that he either is not able to intervene, could not anticipate them or is complicit or directly responsible for their occurrence.
Why not? I've heard this argument a thousand times and I still don't understand it. God can be all-powerful, all-knowing, and benign and still "allow" bad things to happen. He's not a babysitter, watching over us to make sure we don't hurt ourselves. He created life and now it's up to us to determine what we do with it. I believe he's rooting for us, wanting us to make the right decisions but he's not going to intervene because he grants us free will.
I guess it all depends on if you believe that people who don't believe in Jesus go to hell. If everybody goes to heaven for eternity, then what happens on earth is essentially irrelevent. (Or if there is not afterlife) In that case, I can buy your argument. If God allows souls to rot in hell for not "accepting Jesus" then God isn't just. If he is just, and can't stop them from going to hell, then God isn't all powerful. It's not really that hard to understand.
It's the undeniable hypocracy of the Christian version of god. A child in Singapore dies in an earthquake. She has never even been introduced to the idea of Jesus, Christianity...maybe not even monotheism, but an all loving, all powerful god allows her soul to be tortured in hell forever. "hey rules are rules...but I was rootin' for ya!"
Ever, read the Bible? God only says that he will judge at the end. The Bible only tells us if you have heard of Jesus then you have a decision to make. He also sent Jesus to die for the sin of every person who ever lived, even the child in Singapore. It's hard for me to believe that God would ignore the fact that someone had not heard of Jesus.
yes...and lol.
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Jesus freaks gtfo
Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
Just because you don't believe in an interventionist God doesn't mean there is no God at all.
And the case could be made that dropping people into a situation and observing how they handle it, completely on their own, would be a good way of judging people's character and judging the good in a collective people. Don't do anything to influence their decisions and don't infringe on their free will.
yes, but that is not their belief. His fundamentalist Christian friend believes that he possesses a unique interpretation of what god is and what his goals for us are. If everyone sort of just believed in life as a general judgement period and acted in the world's best interest this wouldn't be such a big deal. The problem is that these a-holes have insane beliefs that they not only would like to talk to me about, but that they want to impose through policies. I don't go up to people and try to tell them their little magic show is a joke, but if the dude is preaching to stunner he has every right to tell him he's a tard. Stunner didn't bring it up, the tard did.
Kat Kid, you are my God. :notworthy:
One thing that I never understood goes along the lines of yosh's Singapore child example. Sure we have free will, but there are some instances where people are a product of their surroundings. Place Ahmed Muhammad into your basic christian family, and he would probably end up living a nice life as an upstanding citizen, ending up in heaven when he dies. Jesus freaks may be crazy and annoy me, but they're decent people. Place Ahmed Muhammed in a family involved with terrorism in the Middle east, and he'll be running around blowing up other Muhammeds and end up in hell amirite? Is this fair?
muslim is the best one.
Budhism IMHO.
:dancin:
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Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
Just because you don't believe in an interventionist God doesn't mean there is no God at all.
And the case could be made that dropping people into a situation and observing how they handle it, completely on their own, would be a good way of judging people's character and judging the good in a collective people. Don't do anything to influence their decisions and don't infringe on their free will.
yes, but that is not their belief. His fundamentalist Christian friend believes that he possesses a unique interpretation of what god is and what his goals for us are. If everyone sort of just believed in life as a general judgement period and acted in the world's best interest this wouldn't be such a big deal. The problem is that these a-holes have insane beliefs that they not only would like to talk to me about, but that they want to impose through policies. I don't go up to people and try to tell them their little magic show is a joke, but if the dude is preaching to stunner he has every right to tell him he's a tard. Stunner didn't bring it up, the tard did.
If you think Stunner is being 'wronged' by this guy than the correct reply wouldn't be one of hostility. Stunner is just stooping to the jesus freak's level.
Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'
Just rearrange that into something that sounds more... human. :shy:
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we're no fracking different (from an existence standpoint) than any other animal on earth. we live, we die. that's it. humans have, since their existence, been terrified of their own mortality, so much so that we create/believe in things that answer questions we (at that point in time) couldn't figure out and in regards to mortality that answer will make us (either through a soul, reincarnation, etc.) immortal.
I'm sure those Aztecs that had a rain god would sure like f*cking idiots right now if they knew the real reason for rain....which had nothing to do with sacrificing a 1K virgins.
the only plausible/logical explanation for a god is there has to be an "uncaused cause". something/someone had to set everything in motion.
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If you want a more or less logical explanation for God and our need for one kind of on the first cause argument read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity. If not then it really doesn't matter what anyone says because you will still believe God is an unjust baby killer. If we're really just floating on a soulless orb in the cosmos, then just play golf with your friend and shut up about it while you still have time to golf.
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I'm a Christian and back in my college days I would give you a million reasons why being a Christian makes sense.
But nowadays, it is clear to me that some people just don't want to hear any of it, and it doesn't bother me anymore. One thing I will say is that the die-hard atheists are no more logical than the die-hard Christians.
There are genuine fence-sitters who aren't sure either way, though, and usually they will let you know at some point if you make yourself open to them. So I don't worry too much about it.
Oh, I guess, one more thing. My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario. If I'm right, than you're really ****ed.
Cheers!!!!!
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Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'
i agree with your premise, but it doesn't work like that. it gets pretty annoying when they say asinine strange things that science/college has taught you is simply not true.
it's crazy how many engeneiers are jesus freaks.
Oh, I guess, one more thing. My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario. If I'm right, than you're really ****ed.
then god is a pretty fracked up dude.
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Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'
i agree with your premise, but it doesn't work like that. it gets pretty annoying when they say asinine strange things that science/college has taught you is simply not true.
it's crazy how many engeneiers are jesus freaks.
Oh, I guess, one more thing. My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario. If I'm right, than you're really ****ed.
then god is a pretty fracked up dude.
Not all Jesus people are like that. I'm a Christian that embraces science. The problem is that the nutjobs are way louder.
One of the major scientist dudes who cracked the DNA code wrote a book called The Language of God which is pretty close to my beliefs. He embraces science, evolution, etc.
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Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'
i agree with your premise, but it doesn't work like that. it gets pretty annoying when they say asinine strange things that science/college has taught you is simply not true.
Yep college is infallible in what it teaches.
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If you want a more or less logical explanation for God and our need for one kind of on the first cause argument read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity. If not then it really doesn't matter what anyone says because you will still believe God is an unjust baby killer. If we're really just floating on a soulless orb in the cosmos, then just play golf with your friend and shut up about it while you still have time to golf.
"My friend is a jesus freak (jesus freaks gtfo of my thread)"
Take your bible somewhere else, freak.
Oh, I guess, one more thing. My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario. If I'm right, than you're really ****ed.
Cheers!!!!!
What if Buddha, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the real God?(http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/emoticons/smile_omg.gif)
If Buddha is the real God, looks like my worst case scenario is your best case scenario. DUCY?
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If you want a more or less logical explanation for God and our need for one kind of on the first cause argument read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity. If not then it really doesn't matter what anyone says because you will still believe God is an unjust baby killer. If we're really just floating on a soulless orb in the cosmos, then just play golf with your friend and shut up about it while you still have time to golf.
"My friend is a jesus freak (jesus freaks gtfo of my thread)"
Take your bible somewhere else, freak.
Oh, I guess, one more thing. My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario. If I'm right, than you're really ****ed.
Cheers!!!!!
What if Buddha, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the real God?(http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/emoticons/smile_omg.gif)
If Buddha is the real God, looks like my worst case scenario is your best case scenario. DUCY?
hmm that also means you never die since buddhists believe in the whole being reborn/reincarnation thing maybe thats hindus I dont remember. But hopefully you come back as a tree so I can chop you down and print the bible on you. :pray:
(dane cook I know)
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I got really pissed when some jesus freaks at work tried to take advantage of deaths in my family to try to turn me onto god.
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If you want a more or less logical explanation for God and our need for one kind of on the first cause argument read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity. If not then it really doesn't matter what anyone says because you will still believe God is an unjust baby killer. If we're really just floating on a soulless orb in the cosmos, then just play golf with your friend and shut up about it while you still have time to golf.
"My friend is a jesus freak (jesus freaks gtfo of my thread)"
Take your bible somewhere else, freak.
Oh, I guess, one more thing. My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario. If I'm right, than you're really ****ed.
Cheers!!!!!
What if Buddha, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the real God?(http://gfx1.hotmail.com/mail/w3/pr01/emoticons/smile_omg.gif)
If Buddha is the real God, looks like my worst case scenario is your best case scenario. DUCY?
hmm that also means you never die since buddhists believe in the whole being reborn/reincarnation thing maybe thats hindus I dont remember. But hopefully you come back as a tree so I can chop you down and print the bible on you. :pray:
(dane cook I know)
I'm probably going to be reincarnated as a worm. :frown:
I got really pissed when some jesus freaks at work tried to take advantage of deaths in my family to try to turn me onto god.
After I told my friend that I didn't need to be prayed for, he mentioned family crisis. These guys have no shame.
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I got really pissed when some jesus freaks at work tried to take advantage of deaths in my family to try to turn me onto god.
They're not 'taking advantage.' You're not looking at it from their point of view.
Consider this... say you believe in God. You are so strong in your belief that you know salvation is found through God. Your mentality is not to 'take advantage' of people but to save their life(or soul perhaps).
They aren't looking at it as a chance to convert you just for the sake of converting you. They are seeing it as a good time to try and get you to find God for the sake of salvation. They want to help/save you.
Don't get defensive. At least see it from their perspective.
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Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'
i agree with your premise, but it doesn't work like that. it gets pretty annoying when they say asinine strange things that science/college has taught you is simply not true.
it's crazy how many engeneiers are jesus freaks.
Oh, I guess, one more thing. My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario. If I'm right, than you're really ****ed.
then god is a pretty fracked up dude.
I don't find any particular religion to be more believable than the next. But I don't try and put them all down as if they are ridiculous either.
But I also don't take everything I hear from science and scientists as facts anymore. Scientists are people and although many likely do legitimate work, there is bias, lies, and agendas everywhere human beings operate. Just look at this global warming crap for reference. Anything and everything can be twisted.
I don't find that science and the notion of a God/Creator contradict each other either.
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Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world. If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc. There is no one watching over us. We are all alone.
Just because you don't believe in an interventionist God doesn't mean there is no God at all.
And the case could be made that dropping people into a situation and observing how they handle it, completely on their own, would be a good way of judging people's character and judging the good in a collective people. Don't do anything to influence their decisions and don't infringe on their free will.
yes, but that is not their belief. His fundamentalist Christian friend believes that he possesses a unique interpretation of what god is and what his goals for us are. If everyone sort of just believed in life as a general judgement period and acted in the world's best interest this wouldn't be such a big deal. The problem is that these a-holes have insane beliefs that they not only would like to talk to me about, but that they want to impose through policies. I don't go up to people and try to tell them their little magic show is a joke, but if the dude is preaching to stunner he has every right to tell him he's a tard. Stunner didn't bring it up, the tard did.
If you think Stunner is being 'wronged' by this guy than the correct reply wouldn't be one of hostility. Stunner is just stooping to the jesus freak's level.
Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'
Just rearrange that into something that sounds more... human. :shy:
Well yeah, but it isn't my friend.
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After I told my friend that I didn't need to be prayed for, he mentioned family crisis. These guys have no shame.
Interestingly, a good friend of mine is highly religious and we've had some good-natured arguments about it before. He also is genuinely motivated by his religion (regardless of whether he's correct in his beliefs or not) to live a morally upstanding life. This guy's gone out of his way to not bring up religion in any conversations about the deaths because he knows how incredibly inappropriate that would be to imply to me that it's relevant.
They're not 'taking advantage.' You're not looking at it from their point of view.
Consider this... say you believe in God. You are so strong in your belief that you know salvation is found through God. Your mentality is not to 'take advantage' of people but to save their life(or soul perhaps).
They aren't looking at it as a chance to convert you just for the sake of converting you. They are seeing it as a good time to try and get you to find God for the sake of salvation. They want to help/save you.
Don't get defensive. At least see it from their perspective.
Will I go to hell for firing them?
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I love the "God never gives us more than we can handle" statements.
Oh yeah, how to do you explain suicide? Those mother&@#%ers seem to have had a wee bit more than they could handle.
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Will I go to hell for firing them?
Yes. One-way ticket with a seat next to Fred Phelps.
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Played today. Felt like I held my own until he brought up Jesus. Like, he was so certain that he existed and came back, and I had no idea so I got pwned. Why would this be reason enough for someone to choose christianity over something like Buddhism? His reason for why christianity is the right god as compared to Buddhism, was pretty much because it was different than christianity.
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I know you told me to gtfo of your thread, but I still recommend Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis for the answer to your last question. It kind of describes why someone might argue that there is a God, he's perfect and we're not, therefore we need redemption, therefore we need a God who redeems, yada yada. It's not as good a read as the Chronicles just because it doesn't have fawns in it, but it does what it's supposed to. It would be a good book to read as an agnostic, because it could help you understand where your friend is coming from in a reasonable format without verse references and feel good paradoxes.
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most christians believe that if children get killed at a young enough age where they arent intelligent enough to understand about God or religon then they havent been able to make the choice to become a christian and therefore will go to heaven. and the example about adults in other countries not having heard of the "christian God or Jesus" is why there are missionaries. it is the responsibility of christians to spread God's word to people who havent heard it.
im not a "Jesus freak" and i dont preach to anybody who doesnt want to hear it. but the people in this thread who hate "Jesus freaks" are acting the exact same way about christians that their "Jesus freaks" act about non-christians. its a little hypocritical.
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most christians believe that if children get killed at a young enough age where they arent intelligent enough to understand about God or religon then they havent been able to make the choice to become a christian and therefore will go to heaven. and the example about adults in other countries not having heard of the "christian God or Jesus" is why there are missionaries. it is the responsibility of christians to spread God's word to people who havent heard it.
im not a "Jesus freak" and i dont preach to anybody who doesnt want to hear it. but the people in this thread who hate "Jesus freaks" are acting the exact same way about christians that their "Jesus freaks" act about non-christians. its a little hypocritical.
qft.
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If you want a more or less logical explanation for God and our need for one kind of on the first cause argument read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity. If not then it really doesn't matter what anyone says because you will still believe God is an unjust baby killer. If we're really just floating on a soulless orb in the cosmos, then just play golf with your friend and shut up about it while you still have time to golf.
qft x2.
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Some people can't stfu about it, kinda pisses me off. Plus, Jesus doesn't make any sense.
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Some people can't stfu about it, kinda pisses me off. Plus, Jesus doesn't make any sense.
Jesus killer.
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I find that people who aren't secure with what they believe are usually the ones that try to argue for or against their own or other religions/beliefs to try to reasure themselves that what they think they believe is correct. Usually people who are secure with what they believe have no need to. Just imo.
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I find that people who aren't secure with what they believe are usually the ones that try to argue for or against their own or other religions/beliefs to try to reasure themselves that what they think they believe is correct. Usually people who are secure with what they believe have no need to. Just imo.
Sounds like you're going to hell to me.
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Hey Jesus freak, be sure not to go on an alcohol binge tonight, hypocritical loser.
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Hey Jesus freak, be sure not to go on an alcohol binge tonight, hypocritical loser.
Since we've been speaking in this thread more about logic than religion I'll mention that Ad Hominem Tu Quoque is a fallacy.
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Wow, just stumbled onto this thread about a month too late. There were so many responses to to reply to, but I don't want to be here all night.
The hostility in this thread towards Christians is mind boggling. I don't get it either. I hate ku, but I understand that there are decent people who are ku fans. So some hawks I might like, others not so much. Stereotyping them altogether does no good.
If you saw someone drowning and you had a life preserver, wouldn't you at least throw it to the person? If they don't want to take it, then so be it. If they want to try an tread water on their own, then good luck to them.
As far as Christians being hypocritical, well a lot of times that just comes from people wanting to see them fail. Christians aren't perfect, nor will they ever be, but the point is to try to be Christ like, who was without sin. Because they put themselves out there as trying to live without sin, I know it makes it that much more fun and easier to point and laugh when they trip up. But at least their trying.
Trying to put God into a perspective that you can understand is where so many people will turn away. Our minds can't comprehend God and his existence, and to try to put God into a standard to do so is pointless. His power is unfathomable. That's where faith comes into it. Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see. And for many that faith is asking too much.
:barman:
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Hey Jesus freak, be sure not to go on an alcohol binge tonight, hypocritical loser.
Since we've been speaking in this thread more about logic than religion I'll mention that Ad Hominem Tu Quoque is a fallacy.
He didn't say you were wrong. He said you were a hypocrit.
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Wow, just stumbled onto this thread about a month too late. There were so many responses to to reply to, but I don't want to be here all night.
The hostility in this thread towards Christians is mind boggling. I don't get it either. I hate ku, but I understand that there are decent people who are ku fans. So some hawks I might like, others not so much. Stereotyping them altogether does no good.
If you saw someone drowning and you had a life preserver, wouldn't you at least throw it to the person? If they don't want to take it, then so be it. If they want to try an tread water on their own, then good luck to them.
that's just it, you f*cking idiots think we're drowning. we're all just living, so stfu and do your thing and let others do theirs and quit acting like you're saving someone who isn't drowning.
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Wow, just stumbled onto this thread about a month too late. There were so many responses to to reply to, but I don't want to be here all night.
The hostility in this thread towards Christians is mind boggling. I don't get it either. I hate ku, but I understand that there are decent people who are ku fans. So some hawks I might like, others not so much. Stereotyping them altogether does no good.
If you saw someone drowning and you had a life preserver, wouldn't you at least throw it to the person? If they don't want to take it, then so be it. If they want to try an tread water on their own, then good luck to them.
that's just it, you f*cking idiots think we're drowning. we're all just living, so stfu and do your thing and let others do theirs and quit acting like you're saving someone who isn't drowning.
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Everyone on earth believes something different than everyone else. Pretty much the #1 talking point of all time. Best to just let this one go folks.
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Everyone on earth believes something different than everyone else. Pretty much the #1 talking point of all time. Best to just let this one go folks.
Yea, but I wanted to save the world one ksufans.com thread at a time. :crybaby:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ
One thing I have noticed is the vague responses I receive everytime I tried to dispute something. Is the world really 10,000 years old? "Well, that's not exactly important, that could mean a lot of things." Can God heal amputees? "Well, people always try and provide questions to dispute God. It's not like you can debate someone into God." What about the God and the huge rock example? "Once again, that is another question which isn't really important in the grand scheme of things." Why is christianity right, and Buddhism isn't? "Well, when I looked at it and compared it to christianity, it just didn't make sense. It is just too individual." Can't scientists come close to making basic life? "No, the cells shriveled up right away." What about the people who aren't surrounded by christianity? Do they go to hell? "Well, God is just, and doesn't try and judge too harshly. (Which makes no sense to me with how hard I'm being pressured into it). God will give everyone an opportunity to follow him."
O RLY?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ
O RLY?
Oh wow, that video from youtube just changed my life! Why didn't we have youtube 20 years ago, my life wouldn't have been wasted.
Ok, seriously, the guy sounded like he was a rational, well-informed, educated person. Who clearly will never believe anything that isn't directly sitting right in front of him. That's fine. Some people are obviously incapable of having faith. I understand its hard to believe in something you can't see, touch, hear, etc. That's why its called Faith.
What is the point of having Faith if God comes down to earth for all to see? What's difficult about that? He wants you to make the choice. He is not forcing you to do anything YOU don't want to do.
I realize it is frustrating not being able to understand every facet of God, but He is beyond our understanding. That might be a 'strange, insane rationalization', but thats what the Devil wants you to think. God is not the only force out there to be reckoned with, the Devil is here too. The Devil causes pain and suffering and he may win some battles, but he won't win the war.
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Fatty made a good point--it's amazing how many Engineers are Jesus Freaks... I think Jesus Freaks have a strong affinity for order and tradition, and Engineers tend to like those things as well. But there's a billion exceptions to this, so I don't really know... I know almost all of my engineering buddies were religious at K-State. It might just be a Kansas thing, though. It really is the buckle of the Bible Belt. For a State that made its name on being Free-Thinkers and dissenters, we really have made a habit of conforming.
I think trying to make sense of life on your own without some sort of framework (usually religion) is pretty difficult. Some people, like us atheist/agnostics, don't really care enough about divine intervention or an afterlife enough to take what is clearly an intellectually dishonest stance on the nature of the Universe. In my opinion, religion is a fine tool for attempting to make some sense of your life, but you have to be honest with yourself and admit that it's utter nonsense. I think there's a LOT of religious people who know it's nonsense, but participate anyway. Your born-again Jesus Freak friend is probably not one of these people. The born-agains seem to love diving head-first into the mythology and gulping it down as though it's the Answer to Life The Universe and Everything. Tell him that he doesn't know the Answer and nobody does (aside from 42), and to get off his high horse and stop thinking so highly of himself.
I was listening to a sociologist who studies the brain, and he said if there were no pre-conceived notions of any religions up to this point in history, human beings would invent them within a month. It's just the way people are made. Being religious has a lot to do with your personality, too. Speaking for myself, I'm really analytical, and it just makes it hard for me to believe anything without some very strong supporting evidence. A lot of people will believe anything without much in the way of facts to support it. Salesmen and Politicians rely on the fact that this is how most people make decisions--very emotional, not so much facty.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ
O RLY?
Oh wow, that video from youtube just changed my life! Why didn't we have youtube 20 years ago, my life wouldn't have been wasted.
Ok, seriously, the guy sounded like he was a rational, well-informed, educated person. Who clearly will never believe anything that isn't directly sitting right in front of him. That's fine. Some people are obviously incapable of having faith. I understand its hard to believe in something you can't see, touch, hear, etc. That's why its called Faith.
What is the point of having Faith if God comes down to earth for all to see? What's difficult about that? He wants you to make the choice. He is not forcing you to do anything YOU don't want to do.
I realize it is frustrating not being able to understand every facet of God, but He is beyond our understanding. That might be a 'strange, insane rationalization', but thats what the Devil wants you to think. God is not the only force out there to be reckoned with, the Devil is here too. The Devil causes pain and suffering and he may win some battles, but he won't win the war.
See this is exactly what I'm talking about. You say you're perfectly fine with having "faith", which means you decided that your Religion is true in the absence of any real supporting evidence. That's why religions are so successful. Most people are this way. The great logical fallacy is that you're using circular logic to support your belief. You say you have belief because... well you believe in it. Complete nonsense, but you wouldn't be able to accept Christian (or whatever) dogma without this suspension of disbelief. As long as you know it's nonsense, then I say God Bless, Go Forward!
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most christians believe that if children get killed at a young enough age where they arent intelligent enough to understand about God or religon then they havent been able to make the choice to become a christian and therefore will go to heaven. and the example about adults in other countries not having heard of the "christian God or Jesus" is why there are missionaries. it is the responsibility of christians to spread God's word to people who havent heard it.
This is also a really good way to drive revenue. Turn everyone in your organization into a salesmen and base their ultimate annual review (at least partially) on this effort. &@#%ing brilliant move by the christians in my opinion. Would have thought the Jews had thought of it. :fatty:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ
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Oh wow, that video from youtube just changed my life! Why didn't we have youtube 20 years ago, my life wouldn't have been wasted.
Ok, seriously, the guy sounded like he was a rational, well-informed, educated person. Who clearly will never believe anything that isn't directly sitting right in front of him. That's fine. Some people are obviously incapable of having faith. I understand its hard to believe in something you can't see, touch, hear, etc. That's why its called Faith.
What is the point of having Faith if God comes down to earth for all to see? What's difficult about that? He wants you to make the choice. He is not forcing you to do anything YOU don't want to do.
I realize it is frustrating not being able to understand every facet of God, but He is beyond our understanding. That might be a 'strange, insane rationalization', but thats what the Devil wants you to think. God is not the only force out there to be reckoned with, the Devil is here too. The Devil causes pain and suffering and he may win some battles, but he won't win the war.
See this is exactly what I'm talking about. You say you're perfectly fine with having "faith", which means you decided that your Religion is true in the absence of any real supporting evidence. That's why religions are so successful. Most people are this way. The great logical fallacy is that you're using circular logic to support your belief. You say you have belief because... well you believe in it. Complete nonsense, but you wouldn't be able to accept Christian (or whatever) dogma without this suspension of disbelief. As long as you know it's nonsense, then I say God Bless, Go Forward!
Thats what Faith is, being sure of what you cannot see. Its not hard to believe in concrete being hard, I can walk outside and fall on it. Its right in front of you. How hard is it to say, 'I believe all this stuff to be true, because of this mountain of evidence.'? Bravo, you are able to make a seemingly obvious choice, you are to be commended.
If God wanted being a Christian to be easy He would appear to the world and say, "Get off the couch and worship me!" He has given us a choice.
For a State that made its name on being Free-Thinkers and dissenters, we really have made a habit of conforming.
This day and age, it is probably more conforming to be a non-christian, then to actually be a Christian.
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Fatty made a good point--it's amazing how many Engineers are Jesus Freaks... I think Jesus Freaks have a strong affinity for order and tradition, and Engineers tend to like those things as well. But there's a billion exceptions to this, so I don't really know... I know almost all of my engineering buddies were religious at K-State. It might just be a Kansas thing, though. It really is the buckle of the Bible Belt. For a State that made its name on being Free-Thinkers and dissenters, we really have made a habit of conforming.
I think trying to make sense of life on your own without some sort of framework (usually religion) is pretty difficult. Some people, like us atheist/agnostics, don't really care enough about divine intervention or an afterlife enough to take what is clearly an intellectually dishonest stance on the nature of the Universe. In my opinion, religion is a fine tool for attempting to make some sense of your life, but you have to be honest with yourself and admit that it's utter nonsense. I think there's a LOT of religious people who know it's nonsense, but participate anyway. Your born-again Jesus Freak friend is probably not one of these people. The born-agains seem to love diving head-first into the mythology and gulping it down as though it's the Answer to Life The Universe and Everything. Tell him that he doesn't know the Answer and nobody does (aside from 42), and to get off his high horse and stop thinking so highly of himself.
I was listening to a sociologist who studies the brain, and he said if there were no pre-conceived notions of any religions up to this point in history, human beings would invent them within a month. It's just the way people are made. Being religious has a lot to do with your personality, too. Speaking for myself, I'm really analytical, and it just makes it hard for me to believe anything without some very strong supporting evidence. A lot of people will believe anything without much in the way of facts to support it. Salesmen and Politicians rely on the fact that this is how most people make decisions--very emotional, not so much facty.
There is actually quite a bit to the personality/religion thing. I am an INTP and can't force myself to believe in god, jesus, etc. I kind of wish I could, but I can't. Introverted/analytical people as a whole aren't very religious, at least compared to other personalities.
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Wow, just stumbled onto this thread about a month too late. There were so many responses to to reply to, but I don't want to be here all night.
The hostility in this thread towards Christians is mind boggling. I don't get it either. I hate ku, but I understand that there are decent people who are ku fans. So some hawks I might like, others not so much. Stereotyping them altogether does no good.
If you saw someone drowning and you had a life preserver, wouldn't you at least throw it to the person? If they don't want to take it, then so be it. If they want to try an tread water on their own, then good luck to them.
As far as Christians being hypocritical, well a lot of times that just comes from people wanting to see them fail. Christians aren't perfect, nor will they ever be, but the point is to try to be Christ like, who was without sin. Because they put themselves out there as trying to live without sin, I know it makes it that much more fun and easier to point and laugh when they trip up. But at least their trying.
Trying to put God into a perspective that you can understand is where so many people will turn away. Our minds can't comprehend God and his existence, and to try to put God into a standard to do so is pointless. His power is unfathomable. That's where faith comes into it. Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see. And for many that faith is asking too much.
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First, I think people are just throwing some thoughts out there but, like is too typical, a religious fella takes it as a venomous attack. If I say "it is uncontroverted that dinosaurs existed and therefore at least portions of the bible are as accurate as a Harry Potter book" you think is is some hate. Its not. Just pointing out what I think.
the life preserver comment is exactly why people really dislike having conversations with fundamentalists. You are SO sure that non-christians are drowning and you are the only life preserver but assume, just for a second, that the muslims are right? Aren't you actually throwing me an anchor which will certainly damn me to hell?
I think the most important thing is next time you go golfing with some over the top christian, get ridiculously drunk and make him drive you home...if he won't, he is not really a good christian.
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Wow, just stumbled onto this thread about a month too late. There were so many responses to to reply to, but I don't want to be here all night.
The hostility in this thread towards Christians is mind boggling. I don't get it either. I hate ku, but I understand that there are decent people who are ku fans. So some hawks I might like, others not so much. Stereotyping them altogether does no good.
If you saw someone drowning and you had a life preserver, wouldn't you at least throw it to the person? If they don't want to take it, then so be it. If they want to try an tread water on their own, then good luck to them.
As far as Christians being hypocritical, well a lot of times that just comes from people wanting to see them fail. Christians aren't perfect, nor will they ever be, but the point is to try to be Christ like, who was without sin. Because they put themselves out there as trying to live without sin, I know it makes it that much more fun and easier to point and laugh when they trip up. But at least their trying.
Trying to put God into a perspective that you can understand is where so many people will turn away. Our minds can't comprehend God and his existence, and to try to put God into a standard to do so is pointless. His power is unfathomable. That's where faith comes into it. Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see. And for many that faith is asking too much.
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First, I think people are just throwing some thoughts out there but, like is too typical, a religious fella takes it as a venomous attack. If I say "it is uncontroverted that dinosaurs existed and therefore at least portions of the bible are as accurate as a Harry Potter book" you think is is some hate. Its not. Just pointing out what I think.
the life preserver comment is exactly why people really dislike having conversations with fundamentalists. You are SO sure that non-christians are drowning and you are the only life preserver but assume, just for a second, that the muslims are right? Aren't you actually throwing me an anchor which will certainly damn me to hell?
I think the most important thing is next time you go golfing with some over the top christian, get ridiculously drunk and make him drive you home...if he won't, he is not really a good christian.
In my defense, I knew the 'drowning' comment would set some people off, so I followed it up with the 'treading water' comment.
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i think the best posts in this entire thread has been steve dave. i don't get why people make it into a competition.
sure you can have a great discussion and debate over it, but what it essentially comes down to is a leap of faith. there are some people that take it, landing in different places, and some people who don't believe that there is anything to jump to. no matter what semblance of an answer you come to it is going to come down to that decision. everything in this world can be explained through any one perspective depending on the person who experiences it.
to me man is a limited creature, just like an ant, just like a dog. to expect to understand everything is unjust and arrogant. i'm not saying that people can't make decisions based on facts or prior evidence, because they do it everyday, and i, like everyone else, have. i'm also trying not to give too much information one way or the other as to what my beliefs are because i don't really think that is the point of the conversation. the point is that that decision is never a fact. it can be passionately believed to be a fact, but it doesn't make any more difference in it being the truth than it does to make something false.
In my defense, I knew the 'drowning comment what set some people off, so I followed it up with the 'treading water' comment.
its not that the drowning comment was the totality of the problem. once you made the decision that there was something that could save those people, you placed yourself in a better situation. i think what people have a problem with when people make these references is that maybe the people who you are attempting to throw a life saver to are already on a boat, or maybe there is no water at all. the fact that you encroach on another persons life and decisions and tell them they are essentially below you because of their life is immediately going to put them on the defensive. you are telling them that what they have chose is wrong without completely understanding that they may or may not have come to their conclusion through some process you have never experienced. thats what i think people are getting at.
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If God wanted being a Christian to be easy He would appear to the world and say, "Get off the couch and worship me!" He has given us a choice.
Seriously, think about it, what would God do all day if everyone was of one religion and knew that there was this one God, nothing, not a damn thing, he'd have nobody to judge, nobody to send to hell. BORING. Nope, judging and casting out, crap like that is so much more fun.
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Wow, just stumbled onto this thread about a month too late. There were so many responses to to reply to, but I don't want to be here all night.
The hostility in this thread towards Christians is mind boggling. I don't get it either. I hate ku, but I understand that there are decent people who are ku fans. So some hawks I might like, others not so much. Stereotyping them altogether does no good.
If you saw someone drowning and you had a life preserver, wouldn't you at least throw it to the person? If they don't want to take it, then so be it. If they want to try an tread water on their own, then good luck to them.
As far as Christians being hypocritical, well a lot of times that just comes from people wanting to see them fail. Christians aren't perfect, nor will they ever be, but the point is to try to be Christ like, who was without sin. Because they put themselves out there as trying to live without sin, I know it makes it that much more fun and easier to point and laugh when they trip up. But at least their trying.
Trying to put God into a perspective that you can understand is where so many people will turn away. Our minds can't comprehend God and his existence, and to try to put God into a standard to do so is pointless. His power is unfathomable. That's where faith comes into it. Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see. And for many that faith is asking too much.
:barman:
First, I think people are just throwing some thoughts out there but, like is too typical, a religious fella takes it as a venomous attack. If I say "it is uncontroverted that dinosaurs existed and therefore at least portions of the bible are as accurate as a Harry Potter book" you think is is some hate. Its not. Just pointing out what I think.
the life preserver comment is exactly why people really dislike having conversations with fundamentalists. You are SO sure that non-christians are drowning and you are the only life preserver but assume, just for a second, that the muslims are right? Aren't you actually throwing me an anchor which will certainly damn me to hell?
I think the most important thing is next time you go golfing with some over the top christian, get ridiculously drunk and make him drive you home...if he won't, he is not really a good christian.
In my defense, I knew the 'drowning comment what set some people off, so I followed it up with the 'treading water' comment.
Again, what if you are wrong? There are more muslims than christians. And they are certainly dying a heck of a lot faster than christians thanks to W and the 101st...so won't they be taking over the after life?
I guess what I'm saying bro is you have the same odds as an atheist of being right. And considering the evidence that the existence of dinosaurs is a fact and the earth is much, much older than 10,000 etc. you may actually be damning someone to everlasting hell by convincing them to be christian.
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Again, what if you are wrong? There are more muslims than christians. And they are certainly dying a heck of a lot faster than christians thanks to W and the 101st...so won't they be taking over the after life?
That is one of my biggest hangups, if God knows all, why would he write a book knowing that Satan (presumably for arguement sake) will write others and his will be the more successful? In other words, less than 50% of men will get into heaven based on the believing in Christ criteria, thus Satan wins more souls. Kind of bad planning for someone who loves us imo.
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In my defense, I knew the 'drowning comment what set some people off, so I followed it up with the 'treading water' comment.
its not that the drowning comment was the totality of the problem. once you made the decision that there was something that could save those people, you placed yourself in a better situation. i think what people have a problem with when people make these references is that maybe the people who you are attempting to throw a life saver to are already on a boat, or maybe there is no water at all. the fact that you encroach on another persons life and decisions and tell them they are essentially below you because of their life is immediately going to put them on the defensive. you are telling them that what they have chose is wrong without completely understanding that they may or may not have come to their conclusion through some process you have never experienced. thats what i think people are getting at.
So if I told you I have been eating at this great restaurant, the food is awesome, great service, and wonderful atmosphere you would get upset with me? You would be mad because you feel I am assuming that you have never eaten great food, or not experienced a great meal?
Christians share their beliefs because it has brought them joy and they want other to experience what they have.
I guess Christians should just keep it to themselves, that way if they're right, when everybody who wasn't a Christian could blame them while in hell. "Stupid Christians, always hiding their faith from us. They're so selfish, never wanting to share." :curse:
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Again, what if you are wrong? There are more muslims than christians. And they are certainly dying a heck of a lot faster than christians thanks to W and the 101st...so won't they be taking over the after life?
That is one of my biggest hangups, if God knows all, why would he write a book knowing that Satan (presumably for arguement sake) will write others and his will be the more successful? In other words, less than 50% of men will get into heaven based on the believing in Christ criteria, thus Satan wins more souls. Kind of bad planning for someone who loves us imo.
You're right, you just shot a big old hole in God's logic. Man, why didn't He consult with KSt8er, who clearly knows more than Him.
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Again, what if you are wrong? There are more muslims than christians. And they are certainly dying a heck of a lot faster than christians thanks to W and the 101st...so won't they be taking over the after life?
I guess what I'm saying bro is you have the same odds as an atheist of being right. And considering the evidence that the existence of dinosaurs is a fact and the earth is much, much older than 10,000 etc. you may actually be damning someone to everlasting hell by convincing them to be christian.
ZOMG!
Limestone, you missed your calling majoring in Econ bro...you should have gone Philosophy. You are a goddamn profit. :love:
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That is one of my biggest hangups, if God knows all, why would he write a book knowing that Satan (presumably for arguement sake) will write others and his will be the more successful? In other words, less than 50% of men will get into heaven based on the believing in Christ criteria, thus Satan wins more souls. Kind of bad planning for someone who loves us imo.
You're right, you just shot a big old hole in God's logic. Man, why didn't He consult with KSt8er, who clearly knows more than Him.
A legitimate question by Kst8er, IMO.
Under the Christian model, we are FORCED to believe that the greater virtue is not providing eternal life for the most souls possible, but rather trying to CONVINCE as many souls as possible to the Christian belief system. We are taught as Christians that God is omnipotent.
However, God is arguably not benevolent. How else do you explain children dying from burning to death? Do you explain it by saying that they are rewarded with eternal life? How does that make sense? My Christian neighbor, who is 90, died peacefully in his sleep after a life of affluence and sickness free and according to other Christians moved on to eternal life....so the kid who dies with agonizing pain and whose family dies a form of death every day when they think of that fact are on the same value-scale as the 90 year old dude who ends up in the same blissful afterlife?
Sure, I'll buy that "God works in mysterious ways," but I don't buy that God is completely free from logic. Is is JUST as plausible that Christianity is a 1000 miles away from the "Truth" as it is that is "the truth." It's that darned old vat of eternal burning fire that keeps 'em coming back.
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Fatty made a good point--it's amazing how many Engineers are Jesus Freaks... I think Jesus Freaks have a strong affinity for order and tradition, and Engineers tend to like those things as well. But there's a billion exceptions to this, so I don't really know... I know almost all of my engineering buddies were religious at K-State. It might just be a Kansas thing, though. It really is the buckle of the Bible Belt. For a State that made its name on being Free-Thinkers and dissenters, we really have made a habit of conforming.
I think trying to make sense of life on your own without some sort of framework (usually religion) is pretty difficult. Some people, like us atheist/agnostics, don't really care enough about divine intervention or an afterlife enough to take what is clearly an intellectually dishonest stance on the nature of the Universe. In my opinion, religion is a fine tool for attempting to make some sense of your life, but you have to be honest with yourself and admit that it's utter nonsense. I think there's a LOT of religious people who know it's nonsense, but participate anyway. Your born-again Jesus Freak friend is probably not one of these people. The born-agains seem to love diving head-first into the mythology and gulping it down as though it's the Answer to Life The Universe and Everything. Tell him that he doesn't know the Answer and nobody does (aside from 42), and to get off his high horse and stop thinking so highly of himself.
I was listening to a sociologist who studies the brain, and he said if there were no pre-conceived notions of any religions up to this point in history, human beings would invent them within a month. It's just the way people are made. Being religious has a lot to do with your personality, too. Speaking for myself, I'm really analytical, and it just makes it hard for me to believe anything without some very strong supporting evidence. A lot of people will believe anything without much in the way of facts to support it. Salesmen and Politicians rely on the fact that this is how most people make decisions--very emotional, not so much facty.
Apparently engineers aren't very analytical...well at least compared to you. :rolleyes:
It's also evident by your statement that you have not done much research regarding different religions and the kind of evidence that exists to support them.
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In my defense, I knew the 'drowning comment what set some people off, so I followed it up with the 'treading water' comment.
its not that the drowning comment was the totality of the problem. once you made the decision that there was something that could save those people, you placed yourself in a better situation. i think what people have a problem with when people make these references is that maybe the people who you are attempting to throw a life saver to are already on a boat, or maybe there is no water at all. the fact that you encroach on another persons life and decisions and tell them they are essentially below you because of their life is immediately going to put them on the defensive. you are telling them that what they have chose is wrong without completely understanding that they may or may not have come to their conclusion through some process you have never experienced. thats what i think people are getting at.
So if I told you I have been eating at this great restaurant, the food is awesome, great service, and wonderful atmosphere you would get upset with me? You would be mad because you feel I am assuming that you have never eaten great food, or not experienced a great meal?
Christians share their beliefs because it has brought them joy and they want other to experience what they have.
I guess Christians should just keep it to themselves, that way if they're right, when everybody who wasn't a Christian could blame them while in hell. "Stupid Christians, always hiding their faith from us. They're so selfish, never wanting to share." :curse:
First off, you took that the wrong way, and completely misinterpreted what i said. if you are going to do that there is no reason to have a conversation with you.
Second off, to use you're analogies, in comaparison...
Originally you said that if someone was drowning, or treading water, why not throw them a life saver. If they don't take it that is their choice. You're second situation dealt with you eating at a fine restaurant and you want to tell people about it. In truth neither of them are comparable to eachother. The first acknowledges (from your perspective) that you are in a position to "save" someone. From the perspective of the person in the water maybe he is in no need of saving, maybe he is in his own boat, the S.S. Muhamed, S.S. Allah, S.S. John Smith, or the HMS Beagle, and his boat is perfectly acceptable to them, they don't see anything wrong with it. But to you those boats are on fire and it is your duty to put it out. You are, then, judging you're fellow man, which means that you put yourself before him, even above him. You can see why this may bother some people. As far as the restaurant you said you are eating at a very fine establishment, with excellent food, excellent service, and what have you. Its perfectly fine to tell people about that establishment. It's your right. But again what if the people you are talking to have already eaten there, and found spit in their food, or their steak was rotten. You cannot account for every experience every person has with that restaurant, especially one as big as yours. The restaurant comparison is much more reasonable. Feel free to talk about it as much as you want. Just don't look at the people who don't eat there as if they are starving and pawing at the window. Thats my point.
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christainity...dying religion? :confused:
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christainity...dying religion? :confused:
(http://www.magazine.org/userdata/content/images/16991/12.jpg)
TIME Magazine #12 TIME (April 8, 1966)
The question Is God Dead? appeared on the cover of TIME in red letters against a black backdrop, and this was the first time the magazine used a type only cover. The article, written by the editors and entitled Toward a Hidden God, included the opinions of Christian theologians Gabriel Vahanian, Paul van Buren, William Hamilton, Thomas J. Altizer, and the Rabbi Richard Rubenstein. They believed the death of God had come since God was no longer visible in public life and religion was dead. This article received much backlash from readers, but the radical movement died out by the end of the decade.
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(http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/images/_iq_vs_religion.png)
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http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2008/05/biblical_literalism_or_low_iq.php
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become an islam, person.
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I would post that on my facebook but got lots of jesus-y friends that would be offended. Plus my former rabbi.
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i think i might post it on my jesus freak friend's wall
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If 'jesus freaks' are wrong, then no big deal. If they are right, then 'woo hoo!'
If non-jesus freaks are wrong.... sucks to be them.
Saul, are you on tap to be one of the 144,000?
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meh, i'm just going to go w/ the higher iq population.
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meh, i'm just going to go w/ the higher iq population.
I'm sure you and I are both outliers on that graph.
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If 'jesus freaks' are wrong, then no big deal. If they are right, then 'woo hoo!'
If non-jesus freaks are wrong.... sucks to be them.
Saul, are you on tap to be one of the 144,000?
that's the whole thing that i don't get about this god guy. he seems just a little to narcistic in my opinion. believe in me! worship me! if you don't... i'll do something really bad to you and if you do... then we're cool. gmafb.
he should be more concerned about how i live my life and not whether or not i worship him and dress really nice once a week to go sing songs in some building with other nicely dressed people. big picture here god...focus on the BIG picture.
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If 'jesus freaks' are wrong, then no big deal. If they are right, then 'woo hoo!'
If non-jesus freaks are wrong.... sucks to be them.
Saul, are you on tap to be one of the 144,000?
that's the whole thing that i don't get about this god guy. he seems just a little to narcistic in my opinion. believe in me! worship me! if you don't... i'll do something really bad to you and if you do... then we're cool. gmafb.
he should be more concerned about how i live my life and not whether or not i worship him and dress really nice once a week to go sing songs in some building with other nicely dressed people. big picture here god...focus on the BIG picture.
Saying crap like that was enough to get a mother&@#%er killed or imprisoned for much of Christian history. How are you suppose to fund a vast Christian bureaucratic empire if you don't have butts in the seats on Sunday to get brow beat by another "tithe you son's of bitches" sermon? And it's not just the big denominations...how do you think those nutjob charismatics pay for the rock climbing walls and Def Leopard-esque sounds systems/stage productions?
Saying you don't need a worship facility and clergy has a funny way of pissing off the ones who write the rules.
Also, and I should have mentioned this earlier....attending worship services regularly is great for professional networking....which is probably one of the top 5 reasons people attend worship services in this country.
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If 'jesus freaks' are wrong, then no big deal. If they are right, then 'woo hoo!'
If non-jesus freaks are wrong.... sucks to be them.
Saul, are you on tap to be one of the 144,000?
that's the whole thing that i don't get about this god guy. he seems just a little to narcistic in my opinion. believe in me! worship me! if you don't... i'll do something really bad to you and if you do... then we're cool. gmafb.
he should be more concerned about how i live my life and not whether or not i worship him and dress really nice once a week to go sing songs in some building with other nicely dressed people. big picture here god...focus on the BIG picture.
Saying crap like that was enough to get a motherfracker killed or imprisoned for much of Christian history. How are you suppose to fund a vast Christian bureaucratic empire if you don't have butts in the seats on Sunday to get brow beat by another "tithe you son's of bitches" sermon? And it's not just the big denominations...how do you think those nutjob charismatics pay for the rock climbing walls and Def Leopard-esque sounds systems/stage productions?
Saying you don't need a worship facility and clergy has a funny way of pissing off the ones who write the rules.
Also, and I should have mentioned this earlier....attending worship services regularly is great for professional networking....which is probably one of the top 5 reasons people attend worship services in this country.
yeah, professional networking has to be a big reason i guess.
i bet another very big reason is that it gives women an excuse to buy nice clothes and dress their kids up once a week... "doesn't little caden look handsome in his new green polo and pair of khakis that i got him bob?" "honey, look at this cute little sundress i got for madison. i'm going to have her wear it to church this sunday." :rolleyes:
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If 'jesus freaks' are wrong, then no big deal. If they are right, then 'woo hoo!'
If non-jesus freaks are wrong.... sucks to be them.
Saul, are you on tap to be one of the 144,000?
that's the whole thing that i don't get about this god guy. he seems just a little to narcistic in my opinion. believe in me! worship me! if you don't... i'll do something really bad to you and if you do... then we're cool. gmafb.
he should be more concerned about how i live my life and not whether or not i worship him and dress really nice once a week to go sing songs in some building with other nicely dressed people. big picture here god...focus on the BIG picture.
I don't really get the amputee analogy. He won't re-grow the amputee's poor limb or perform miracles that aren't vague "I feel much better now" miracles because it would make believing "too easy"? Yet, he used to part oceans, walk on water and rise from the dead but if you were born 2000 years too late, you just gotta believe? Sounds very cunning. Not sure you want your God described as cunning and stubborn.
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This is a fun one for the Christians out there. :peek:
Event/person Horus Jesus
Conception Immaculate, virgin mother Immaculate, virgin mother
Father Only beloved son of God Only beloved son of God
Mother Isis-Meri Miriam (Mary)
Worldly father Seb (Jo-seph) Joseph
Place of birth Cave Cave or a barn
Announcement of arrival Angel to mother Isis Angel to mother Miriam
Birth accompanied by Sirius morning star Unidentified `star in the east`
Date of birth Dec 21 Dec 25
Witnesses of birth Shepherds Shepherds
Later witnesses Three Solar divinities Three wise men
Death threats Herut attempted murder Herod attempted murder
Age or ritual `initiation` 12 12
Age unfamiliar No information between the No information between the
ages of 12 and 30 ages of 12 and 30
Place of baptism River Eridanus River Jordan
Age when baptised 30 30
Baptist Anup the Baptizer John the Baptist
Baptist`s fate Beheaded Beheaded
Temptation Taken up mountain by Sut (Set) Taken up mountain by Satan
Result of temptation Horus resisted Jesus resisted
Miracles Walked on water, purged Walked on water, purged
demons, cured the sick, demons, cured the sick,
restored vision to the blind restored vision to the blind
Raising the dead Horus raised his father Osiris Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead
Key Address: Sermon on the Mount. Sermon on the Mount.
Accompanied by: Two thieves. Two thieves.
Burial In a tomb. In a tomb.
Fate after death: Descended into Hell; resurrected after 3 days. Descended into Hell; resurrected after 3 days.
Resurrection announced by: Women. Women.
Main role: Savior of humanity. Savior of humanity.
Status: God-man. God-man.
Title: KRST, the anointed one. Christ, the anointed one.
Other names: The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.
The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.
An important `sermon on the mount` is mentioned with Horus, while `sermon on the mountain` is mentioned with Jesus. Both Horus and Jesus were crucified and both died in the company of two thieves. They were buried in tombs and resurrected three days later. Resurrections in both cases were announced by women.
The title both had was the Saviour of humanity, and both were immaculately conceived. Horus is called Krst , or `the anointed one` while Jesus is called Christ the anointed.
The Christian God isn't very original I guess.
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I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. :dunno:
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Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison
Stevie Ray Vaugh
all died young....and in the prime of their careers and creative talents.
Proof there is no God.
I'll prepare a serious answer later.
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I wouldn't rule anything out on the Horus front...
The ancient Egyptian High priesthood (33rd Degree) were very knowledgeable about certian Truths that are inherent in this world. They used powerful symbology for prophesy and communication.
Judeo_Christian beliefs is rooted in the knowledge of the Egyptians (but only the high priests knew the Truth, Moses was 33rd degree and chosen by God to lead his people out of bondage)
The name Is-Ra-El
Isis (Egyptian God), Ra (Egyptian God), and El (Hebrew)
The name Israel has symbology like all ancient and universal truths...
Could Horus, be an ancient prophesy, because again, the high priests were not pagan, but more in-tune with Truth than some men today....
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I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. :dunno:
Aside from flat-out atheism, it's the only option that is even remotely intellectually honest.
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what do u guys think of buddhism? pretty cool right? all that zen, incense, temples, monks, good luck, etc?
i think i have the coolest religion. (http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/emoticons/smile_shades.gif)
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It's interesting how the intellectual side always displays so little intellect in these debates.
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I was in KC this weekend for Easter. My sister and I were driving over to my aunts house and we drove by "our" church. This conversation ensued:
Her (as we're driving by the church): OMG we haven't been to church in so long! We're such bad people!
Me: Meh, I really don't care
Her: Do you not believe in God?
Me: Not really
Her: Ok, Have fun in hell!
Seriously? GMAFB.
I don't get how Christians think they can drink all week and &@#% all week and then come Sunday they are "forgiven" just because they dressed up, went to church, spaced out for 45 minutes during the sermon, and then give the church $5.
Don't even get me started on lent (or lint) IDK how you Catholics spell it
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Went to church with my grandma Sunday morning. Well they gave you stickers to put your name on. I told the lady to put "Winters" With Go Katz is ( )
Then when I had to take communion this d00d was all like "Winters (Go Katz) this is the body of christ" No Lie.
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Went to church with my grandma Sunday morning. Well they gave you stickers to put your name on. I told the lady to put "Winters" With Go Katz is ( )
Then when I had to take communion this d00d was all like "Winters (Go Katz) this is the body of christ" No Lie.
You have a very high amount of sacrilegious EMAW
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Went to church with my grandma Sunday morning. Well they gave you stickers to put your name on. I told the lady to put "Winters" With Go Katz is ( )
Then when I had to take communion this d00d was all like "Winters (Go Katz) this is the body of christ" No Lie.
:blush: :fedora: :cactus: :juggle:
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I don't get how Christians think they can drink all week and frack all week and then come Sunday they are "forgiven" just because they dressed up, went to church, spaced out for 45 minutes during the sermon, and then give the church $5.
They can't. Christmas-Easter-Sunday Christians don't pass the mustard. Living a Christian life means living it between Sundays as well.
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I don't get how Christians think they can drink all week and frack all week and then come Sunday they are "forgiven" just because they dressed up, went to church, spaced out for 45 minutes during the sermon, and then give the church $5.
They can't. Christmas-Easter-Sunday Christians don't pass the mustard. Living a Christian life means living it between Sundays as well.
That's what I'm saying. I know a handful of people that go to church, but during the week don't "pass the mustard" as you say. It's almost laughable how hypocritical the whole thing is.
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I am fairly religious, or whatever, but I don't think I would be comfortable trying to tell someone to believe what I believe instead of what they do or don't believe. I mean, who am I to say that someone's relationship with their God or lack of God or whatever is any less valid than my own. What you believe basically comes down to what you were exposed to growing up or at some receptive point in your life.
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I am fairly religious, or whatever, but I don't think I would be comfortable trying to tell someone to believe what I believe instead of what they do or don't believe. I mean, who am I to say that someone's relationship with their God or lack of God or whatever is any less valid than my own. What you believe basically comes down to what you were exposed to growing up or at some receptive point in your life.
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what do u guys think of buddhism? pretty cool right? all that zen, incense, temples, monks, good luck, etc?
i think i have the coolest religion. (http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/emoticons/smile_shades.gif)
wrong. muslim is better. 1 billion strong, and growing.
i'm porud to be islam. we have the best religion, and are taking over the world.
I am fairly religious, or whatever, but I don't think I would be comfortable trying to tell someone to believe what I believe instead of what they do or don't believe. I mean, who am I to say that someone's relationship with their God or lack of God or whatever is any less valid than my own. What you believe basically comes down to what you were exposed to growing up or at some receptive point in your life.
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I don't get how Christians think they can drink all week and frack all week and then come Sunday they are "forgiven" just because they dressed up, went to church, spaced out for 45 minutes during the sermon, and then give the church $5.
Ehh, that's just Catholics and Lutherans, I don't know why they think if they go to church every sunday that means they will go to heaven. It's more than that. . .but less than that. Going to church has nothing to do with it, really. I feel like "traditional" churches are pointless. The only reason to actually go to church I think is to learn more about the Bible, whereas if you go to a "traditional" church, i.e. catholic or Lutheran, all you do is go there, say hi to everyone, sing a song, say scripted responses to whatever the priest says, sing a song, tithe, listen to him read 1 verse from the bible, sing a song, then leave. If you go to a church like the ones you see on TV, those are really the ones that have a point, because they are really the ones teaching the bible, rather than just reading a scripture then sending you on your way.
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I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. :dunno:
is that the one where you don't have male or female parts down there?
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I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. :dunno:
is that the one where you don't have male or female parts down there?
LOL! seriously.
SD would like it.
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I don't get how Christians think they can drink all week and frack all week and then come Sunday they are "forgiven" just because they dressed up, went to church, spaced out for 45 minutes during the sermon, and then give the church $5.
Ehh, that's just Catholics and Lutherans, I don't know why they think if they go to church every sunday that means they will go to heaven. It's more than that. . .but less than that. Going to church has nothing to do with it, really. I feel like "traditional" churches are pointless. The only reason to actually go to church I think is to learn more about the Bible, whereas if you go to a "traditional" church, i.e. catholic or Lutheran, all you do is go there, say hi to everyone, sing a song, say scripted responses to whatever the priest says, sing a song, tithe, listen to him read 1 verse from the bible, sing a song, then leave. If you go to a church like the ones you see on TV, those are really the ones that have a point, because they are really the ones teaching the bible, rather than just reading a scripture then sending you on your way.
GMAFB.
"Teaching the Bible?" Do you know that the "teacher" and version of the text (there are many DRASTICALLY different versions) can radically change the message?
Catholics, Lutherans...and I'll also count Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Methodists are what is MOST reasonable and sane about Christianity these days. It's the evangelicals and/or charismatics (you know, the Morton building or strip mall churches) that are most frightening in their crazy rhetoric and political mobilizing.
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GMAFB.
"Teaching the Bible?" Do you know that the "teacher" and version of the text (there are many DRASTICALLY different versions) can radically change the message?
Catholics, Lutherans...and I'll also count Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Methodists are what is MOST reasonable and sane about Christianity these days. It's the evangelicals and/or charismatics (you know, the Morton building or strip mall churches) that are most frightening in their crazy rhetoric and political mobilizing.
. . .what do you learn when you go to a catholic church? Oh, I remembered to say "and also with you" after he said "Peace be with you." You learn practically nothing. And, I am not a member of a Lutheran or Catholic church, so they won't allow me to take communion with them? Why is that? I believe in the Sacrament, shouldn't that allow me to be able to take communion? But they won't allow me to do it there because I'm not a card carrying member? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. That seems very unreasonable to me.
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GMAFB.
"Teaching the Bible?" Do you know that the "teacher" and version of the text (there are many DRASTICALLY different versions) can radically change the message?
Catholics, Lutherans...and I'll also count Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Methodists are what is MOST reasonable and sane about Christianity these days. It's the evangelicals and/or charismatics (you know, the Morton building or strip mall churches) that are most frightening in their crazy rhetoric and political mobilizing.
. . .what do you learn when you go to a catholic church? Oh, I remembered to say "and also with you" after he said "Peace be with you." You learn practically nothing. And, I am not a member of a Lutheran or Catholic church, so they won't allow me to take communion with them? Why is that? I believe in the Sacrament, shouldn't that allow me to be able to take communion? But they won't allow me to do it there because I'm not a card carrying member? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. That seems very unreasonable to me.
you want to know what's really stupid, getting pissed about not being able to eat bread. mcdonald's is open, go in there, get a biscuit, say a prayer and take a bite.
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GMAFB.
"Teaching the Bible?" Do you know that the "teacher" and version of the text (there are many DRASTICALLY different versions) can radically change the message?
Catholics, Lutherans...and I'll also count Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Methodists are what is MOST reasonable and sane about Christianity these days. It's the evangelicals and/or charismatics (you know, the Morton building or strip mall churches) that are most frightening in their crazy rhetoric and political mobilizing.
. . .what do you learn when you go to a catholic church? Oh, I remembered to say "and also with you" after he said "Peace be with you." You learn practically nothing. And, I am not a member of a Lutheran or Catholic church, so they won't allow me to take communion with them? Why is that? I believe in the Sacrament, shouldn't that allow me to be able to take communion? But they won't allow me to do it there because I'm not a card carrying member? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. That seems very unreasonable to me.
you want to know what's really stupid, getting pissed about not being able to eat bread. mcdonald's is open, go in there, get a biscuit, say a prayer and take a bite.
bread??? FREE WINE!!
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GMAFB.
"Teaching the Bible?" Do you know that the "teacher" and version of the text (there are many DRASTICALLY different versions) can radically change the message?
Catholics, Lutherans...and I'll also count Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Methodists are what is MOST reasonable and sane about Christianity these days. It's the evangelicals and/or charismatics (you know, the Morton building or strip mall churches) that are most frightening in their crazy rhetoric and political mobilizing.
. . .what do you learn when you go to a catholic church? Oh, I remembered to say "and also with you" after he said "Peace be with you." You learn practically nothing. And, I am not a member of a Lutheran or Catholic church, so they won't allow me to take communion with them? Why is that? I believe in the Sacrament, shouldn't that allow me to be able to take communion? But they won't allow me to do it there because I'm not a card carrying member? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. That seems very unreasonable to me.
you want to know what's really stupid, getting pissed about not being able to eat bread. mcdonald's is open, go in there, get a biscuit, say a prayer and take a bite.
bread??? FREE WINE!!
Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.
That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.
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Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.
That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.
??? There are a lot of churches that have wine as communion.
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Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.
That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.
??? There are a lot of churches that have wine as communion.
Name 3.
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Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.
That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.
??? There are a lot of churches that have wine as communion.
Name 3.
What do you mean by Churches? Do you mean denominations, or Physical churches? beacause that would make my answer vary greatly.
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Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.
That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.
??? There are a lot of churches that have wine as communion.
Name 3.
What do you mean by Churches? Do you mean denominations, or Physical churches? beacause that would make my answer vary greatly.
Start with denominations.
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Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.
That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.
??? There are a lot of churches that have wine as communion.
Name 3.
What do you mean by Churches? Do you mean denominations, or Physical churches? beacause that would make my answer vary greatly.
Start with denominations.
I'm pretty sure that its up to the church specifically. Growing up, my Lutheran church always served wine, but there was the option of having grape juice. Probably for the recovering alcoholics.
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Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.
That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.
??? There are a lot of churches that have wine as communion.
Name 3.
What do you mean by Churches? Do you mean denominations, or Physical churches? beacause that would make my answer vary greatly.
Start with denominations.
Catholics (obv.) Lutherans (less obv. but still v/obv.) some Baptist churches, a lot of non-denominational churches. To be honest, taking a sip of wine will not get anyone drunk or even slightly buzzed.
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what do u guys think of buddhism? pretty cool right? all that zen, incense, temples, monks, good luck, etc?
i think i have the coolest religion. (http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/emoticons/smile_shades.gif)
wrong. muslim is better. 1 billion strong, and growing.
i'm porud to be islam. we have the best religion, and are taking over the world.
nowhere as cool. we can have a war over it though if u want
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Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.
That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.
??? There are a lot of churches that have wine as communion.
Name 3.
What do you mean by Churches? Do you mean denominations, or Physical churches? beacause that would make my answer vary greatly.
Start with denominations.
Catholics (obv.) Lutherans (less obv. but still v/obv.) some Baptist churches, a lot of non-denominational churches. To be honest, taking a sip of wine will not get anyone drunk or even slightly buzzed.
Have been to both Christmas and Easter at catholic church in past year and not a drop of wine anywhere in the house. Even for a full latin mass at st. Patrick's.
I agree they all USED TO but no one anywhere does it anymore.
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This is a fun one for the Christians out there. :peek:
Event/person Horus Jesus
Conception Immaculate, virgin mother Immaculate, virgin mother
Father Only beloved son of God Only beloved son of God
Mother Isis-Meri Miriam (Mary)
Worldly father Seb (Jo-seph) Joseph
Place of birth Cave Cave or a barn
Announcement of arrival Angel to mother Isis Angel to mother Miriam
Birth accompanied by Sirius morning star Unidentified `star in the east`
Date of birth Dec 21 Dec 25
Witnesses of birth Shepherds Shepherds
Later witnesses Three Solar divinities Three wise men
Death threats Herut attempted murder Herod attempted murder
Age or ritual `initiation` 12 12
Age unfamiliar No information between the No information between the
ages of 12 and 30 ages of 12 and 30
Place of baptism River Eridanus River Jordan
Age when baptised 30 30
Baptist Anup the Baptizer John the Baptist
Baptist`s fate Beheaded Beheaded
Temptation Taken up mountain by Sut (Set) Taken up mountain by Satan
Result of temptation Horus resisted Jesus resisted
Miracles Walked on water, purged Walked on water, purged
demons, cured the sick, demons, cured the sick,
restored vision to the blind restored vision to the blind
Raising the dead Horus raised his father Osiris Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead
Key Address: Sermon on the Mount. Sermon on the Mount.
Accompanied by: Two thieves. Two thieves.
Burial In a tomb. In a tomb.
Fate after death: Descended into Hell; resurrected after 3 days. Descended into Hell; resurrected after 3 days.
Resurrection announced by: Women. Women.
Main role: Savior of humanity. Savior of humanity.
Status: God-man. God-man.
Title: KRST, the anointed one. Christ, the anointed one.
Other names: The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.
The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.
An important `sermon on the mount` is mentioned with Horus, while `sermon on the mountain` is mentioned with Jesus. Both Horus and Jesus were crucified and both died in the company of two thieves. They were buried in tombs and resurrected three days later. Resurrections in both cases were announced by women.
The title both had was the Saviour of humanity, and both were immaculately conceived. Horus is called Krst , or `the anointed one` while Jesus is called Christ the anointed.
The Christian God isn't very original I guess.
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Or, the other way around.
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Have been to both Christmas and Easter at catholic church in past year and not a drop of wine anywhere in the house. Even for a full latin mass at st. Patrick's.
I agree they all USED TO but no one anywhere does it anymore.
That must just be your church that you go to, because I've been to about 3 Catholic churches within the past year and they use real wine, and the Lutheran church I went to this past Sunday had real wine.
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Or, the other way around.
Well, except for the fact that Horus was dreamed up by the Egyptians 3000 years before someone decided to make a "new" religion surrounding a guy named Jesus for their own agenda, power and money of course. The only thing is they made Jesus a character that actually walked on Earth, whereas the Egyptian people would never fall for that, even if the story were created 200 years after said walking god died.
Religion divides people through imaginary lines of belief. If anything, using from religion, the belief in Satan, then religion would have to be of Satanic design. Why would any God send his people a book knowing Satan or man would write others that would win more souls (if you believe in the Bible there can be no other belief or you go to hell).
It tells you what to believe and man's need to be a part to a group, the "right" group, takes it from there. It serves man only, it says you get another life after this one which everyone wants to believe, while simultaneously giving you the proverbial "get out of hell" card through some form of repentance. Well, that and the God (whichever religion) has his need for recognition and you must give him his cred or he'll send you to hell. All while justifying that outcome and placing the blame squarely on his (failed) creation. :lol:
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Or, the other way around.
Well, except for the fact that Horus was dreamed up by the Egyptians 3000 years before someone decided to make a "new" religion surrounding a guy named Jesus for their own agenda, power and money of course. The only thing is they made Jesus a character that actually walked on Earth, whereas the Egyptian people would never fall for that, even if the story were created 200 years after said walking god died.
Religion divides people through imaginary lines of belief. If anything, using from religion, the belief in Satan, then religion would have to be of Satanic design. Why would any God send his people a book knowing Satan or man would write others that would win more souls (if you believe in the Bible there can be no other belief or you go to hell).
It tells you what to believe and man's need to be a part to a group, the "right" group, takes it from there. It serves man only, it says you get another life after this one which everyone wants to believe, while simultaneously giving you the proverbial "get out of hell" card through some form of repentance. Well, that and the God (whichever religion) has his need for recognition and you must give him his cred or he'll send you to hell. All while justifying that outcome and placing the blame squarely on his (failed) creation. :lol:
You do realize that Jesus was a real person. . .and not just a made up figure. I mean, you can agree or disagree that he was or was not who christians believe he was, but you can't deny that he was an actual person.
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Or, the other way around.
Well, except for the fact that Horus was dreamed up by the Egyptians 3000 years before someone decided to make a "new" religion surrounding a guy named Jesus for their own agenda, power and money of course. The only thing is they made Jesus a character that actually walked on Earth, whereas the Egyptian people would never fall for that, even if the story were created 200 years after said walking god died.
Religion divides people through imaginary lines of belief. If anything, using from religion, the belief in Satan, then religion would have to be of Satanic design. Why would any God send his people a book knowing Satan or man would write others that would win more souls (if you believe in the Bible there can be no other belief or you go to hell).
It tells you what to believe and man's need to be a part to a group, the "right" group, takes it from there. It serves man only, it says you get another life after this one which everyone wants to believe, while simultaneously giving you the proverbial "get out of hell" card through some form of repentance. Well, that and the God (whichever religion) has his need for recognition and you must give him his cred or he'll send you to hell. All while justifying that outcome and placing the blame squarely on his (failed) creation. :lol:
You do realize that Jesus was a real person. . .and not just a made up figure. I mean, you can agree or disagree that he was or was not who christians believe he was, but you can't deny that he was an actual person.
GTFO of here, do you have his birth certificatte?
I go to church every week, but I am well aware that there was never some mystical d00d named Jesus.
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You do realize that Jesus was a real person. . .and not just a made up figure. I mean, you can agree or disagree that he was or was not who christians believe he was, but you can't deny that he was an actual person.
Who just happened to live the same life as a mythical person from 3000 years previous. Yes, very convincing, he must have been quite the original figure around town(s). :thumbsup:
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Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.
That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.
??? There are a lot of churches that have wine as communion.
Name 3.
What do you mean by Churches? Do you mean denominations, or Physical churches? beacause that would make my answer vary greatly.
Start with denominations.
Catholics (obv.) Lutherans (less obv. but still v/obv.) some Baptist churches, a lot of non-denominational churches. To be honest, taking a sip of wine will not get anyone drunk or even slightly buzzed.
Have been to both Christmas and Easter at catholic church in past year and not a drop of wine anywhere in the house. Even for a full latin mass at st. Patrick's.
I agree they all USED TO but no one anywhere does it anymore.
Episcopals/Catholics in Manhattan. Not positive because I don't take communion, but my wife has like a couple times.
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You do realize that Jesus was a real person. . .and not just a made up figure. I mean, you can agree or disagree that he was or was not who christians believe he was, but you can't deny that he was an actual person.
Who just happened to live the same life as a mythical person from 3000 years previous. Yes, very convincing, he must have been quite the original figure around town(s). :thumbsup:
LOL. Arguing that the person of Jesus didn't exist is like arguing that Abraham Lincoln didn't exist. Clearly you are skeptical of Christianity, which is fine, but try not to be completely retarded.
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If Jesus was a real person...
then Jesus whacked off....at least twice a week.
Because if he abstained from sex...(as the bible tells us).....there is no way he never waxed the holy carrot or he would be the grumpiest, grouchy, irritable prophet since Mohammed.
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LOL. Arguing that the person of Jesus didn't exist is like arguing that Abraham Lincoln didn't exist. Clearly you are skeptical of Christianity, which is fine, but try not to be completely retarded.
You believe in Lincoln too! BWAAA HAAAA HAAAA
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Have been to both Christmas and Easter at catholic church in past year and not a drop of wine anywhere in the house. Even for a full latin mass at st. Patrick's.
I agree they all USED TO but no one anywhere does it anymore.
That must just be your church that you go to, because I've been to about 3 Catholic churches within the past year and they use real wine, and the Lutheran church I went to this past Sunday had real wine.
2 different catholic churches. No wine. Name the one you go to that has real wine with an alcohol content.
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i wish i was religous. my wife is. i also wish i could dunk a basketball.
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I'm cool with religion and all. All forms...its just the hypocrisy that comes with it is beyond hysterical.
Like, for example, the guy who holds the posters in the streets of Aggieville when we're out drinking telling everyone of the evils of consuming alcohol. Every time I see the doucher I ask him his thoughts on the FACT that there are over 200 references to drinking wine in the New Testament. A few things usually happen.
1. Turbo christian isn't aware of this fact.
2. Wine is okay because it was drank back in those days because it was safer than water. LOL WTF
3. It was consumed in moderation. (how they know this I don't know)
Just laughable bullcrap. I mean c'mon. Would it be so wrong for Jesus to tie one on before he was crucified? Hell, I'll tie one on for less impending doom that being beat to death and hung on a cross.
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i wish i was religous. my wife is. i also wish i could dunk a basketball.
I used to feel that way. About religion AND dunking. Now I think they are both kind of bad for different reasons.
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Have been to both Christmas and Easter at catholic church in past year and not a drop of wine anywhere in the house. Even for a full latin mass at st. Patrick's.
I agree they all USED TO but no one anywhere does it anymore.
That must just be your church that you go to, because I've been to about 3 Catholic churches within the past year and they use real wine, and the Lutheran church I went to this past Sunday had real wine.
2 different catholic churches. No wine. Name the one you go to that has real wine with an alcohol content.
It's actually in manhattan, I don't know the name of it, it's the one my grandparents go to.
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This is a fun one for the Christians out there. :peek:
Event/person Horus Jesus
Conception Immaculate, virgin mother Immaculate, virgin mother
Father Only beloved son of God Only beloved son of God
Mother Isis-Meri Miriam (Mary)
Worldly father Seb (Jo-seph) Joseph
Place of birth Cave Cave or a barn
Announcement of arrival Angel to mother Isis Angel to mother Miriam
Birth accompanied by Sirius morning star Unidentified `star in the east`
Date of birth Dec 21 Dec 25
Witnesses of birth Shepherds Shepherds
Later witnesses Three Solar divinities Three wise men
Death threats Herut attempted murder Herod attempted murder
Age or ritual `initiation` 12 12
Age unfamiliar No information between the No information between the
ages of 12 and 30 ages of 12 and 30
Place of baptism River Eridanus River Jordan
Age when baptised 30 30
Baptist Anup the Baptizer John the Baptist
Baptist`s fate Beheaded Beheaded
Temptation Taken up mountain by Sut (Set) Taken up mountain by Satan
Result of temptation Horus resisted Jesus resisted
Miracles Walked on water, purged Walked on water, purged
demons, cured the sick, demons, cured the sick,
restored vision to the blind restored vision to the blind
Raising the dead Horus raised his father Osiris Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead
Key Address: Sermon on the Mount. Sermon on the Mount.
Accompanied by: Two thieves. Two thieves.
Burial In a tomb. In a tomb.
Fate after death: Descended into Hell; resurrected after 3 days. Descended into Hell; resurrected after 3 days.
Resurrection announced by: Women. Women.
Main role: Savior of humanity. Savior of humanity.
Status: God-man. God-man.
Title: KRST, the anointed one. Christ, the anointed one.
Other names: The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.
The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.
An important `sermon on the mount` is mentioned with Horus, while `sermon on the mountain` is mentioned with Jesus. Both Horus and Jesus were crucified and both died in the company of two thieves. They were buried in tombs and resurrected three days later. Resurrections in both cases were announced by women.
The title both had was the Saviour of humanity, and both were immaculately conceived. Horus is called Krst , or `the anointed one` while Jesus is called Christ the anointed.
The Christian God isn't very original I guess.
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You've got some bad info there. Horus is the son of Isis (oldest daughter of Geb and Nut) and Osiris (oldest son of Geb and Nut), yuck. Geb is the correct translation of the name you are calling "Seb." Seb was found to be wrong a long time ago, although "Keb" is another acceptable translation of the name Geb. Isis having sex with some form of her dead brother/husband really isn't "virginal." Horus was also born in a swap (river delta) and his birth was in no way announced because his mother was hiding in the swap. Horus also did not raise Osiris from the dead, but only avenged his death by having a strange semen battle with his uncle Set, again yuck. Horus also gets married and cuts off his mothers head. There is no record of Horus having a sermon, walking on water, having 12 followers, or even dying.
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Have been to both Christmas and Easter at catholic church in past year and not a drop of wine anywhere in the house. Even for a full latin mass at st. Patrick's.
I agree they all USED TO but no one anywhere does it anymore.
That must just be your church that you go to, because I've been to about 3 Catholic churches within the past year and they use real wine, and the Lutheran church I went to this past Sunday had real wine.
2 different catholic churches. No wine. Name the one you go to that has real wine with an alcohol content.
It's actually in manhattan, I don't know the name of it, it's the one my grandparents go to.
I have had real wine in a Lutheran, Catholic and Episcopal church. Episcopal and Lutheran are the two protestant denominations that are closest to catholicism (in that order), so I guess it makes sense. I have never seen wine in a Methodist or Presbyterian church, I and I have been to a few of each when they were serving communion (they both typically only do it once a month). I try to stay the hell away from the rock climbing wall rock band performing "Family Life Centre" type joints with the snake handlers and in-tongues speakers, so I can't be certain what they do. They are all over the board....typically run by a pastor who insists on putting up billboards with he and his loving wife's picture and putting his name on the sides of their vans and buses....those dudes are capable of anything, so who knows?
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This is a fun one for the Christians out there. :peek:
Event/person Horus Jesus
Conception Immaculate, virgin mother Immaculate, virgin mother
Father Only beloved son of God Only beloved son of God
Mother Isis-Meri Miriam (Mary)
Worldly father Seb (Jo-seph) Joseph
Place of birth Cave Cave or a barn
Announcement of arrival Angel to mother Isis Angel to mother Miriam
Birth accompanied by Sirius morning star Unidentified `star in the east`
Date of birth Dec 21 Dec 25
Witnesses of birth Shepherds Shepherds
Later witnesses Three Solar divinities Three wise men
Death threats Herut attempted murder Herod attempted murder
Age or ritual `initiation` 12 12
Age unfamiliar No information between the No information between the
ages of 12 and 30 ages of 12 and 30
Place of baptism River Eridanus River Jordan
Age when baptised 30 30
Baptist Anup the Baptizer John the Baptist
Baptist`s fate Beheaded Beheaded
Temptation Taken up mountain by Sut (Set) Taken up mountain by Satan
Result of temptation Horus resisted Jesus resisted
Miracles Walked on water, purged Walked on water, purged
demons, cured the sick, demons, cured the sick,
restored vision to the blind restored vision to the blind
Raising the dead Horus raised his father Osiris Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead
Key Address: Sermon on the Mount. Sermon on the Mount.
Accompanied by: Two thieves. Two thieves.
Burial In a tomb. In a tomb.
Fate after death: Descended into Hell; resurrected after 3 days. Descended into Hell; resurrected after 3 days.
Resurrection announced by: Women. Women.
Main role: Savior of humanity. Savior of humanity.
Status: God-man. God-man.
Title: KRST, the anointed one. Christ, the anointed one.
Other names: The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.
The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.
An important `sermon on the mount` is mentioned with Horus, while `sermon on the mountain` is mentioned with Jesus. Both Horus and Jesus were crucified and both died in the company of two thieves. They were buried in tombs and resurrected three days later. Resurrections in both cases were announced by women.
The title both had was the Saviour of humanity, and both were immaculately conceived. Horus is called Krst , or `the anointed one` while Jesus is called Christ the anointed.
The Christian God isn't very original I guess.
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You've got some bad info there. Horus is the son of Isis (oldest daughter of Geb and Nut) and Osiris (oldest son of Geb and Nut), yuck. Geb is the correct translation of the name you are calling "Seb." Seb was found to be wrong a long time ago, although "Keb" is another acceptable translation of the name Geb. Isis having sex with some form of her dead brother/husband really isn't "virginal." Horus was also born in a swap (river delta) and his birth was in no way announced because his mother was hiding in the swap. Horus also did not raise Osiris from the dead, but only avenged his death by having a strange semen battle with his uncle Set, again yuck. Horus also gets married and cuts off his mothers head. There is no record of Horus having a sermon, walking on water, having 12 followers, or even dying.
Suggesting that a legitimate "record" of either Horus or Jesus exists is ludicrous. However, you have to at least acknowledge that written word about Horus would be quite a bit more difficult to find do to the thousands and thousands of years between the two characters.
For all we know, Jesus spent the missing years in Egypt boning up on now-extinct writings on Horus and then interwove these tales into conversations with followers that later ended up being part of the new testament. Easily as plausible as any other explanation of Jesus' missing years.
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why does pete go to so many different churches :confused:
hobby :confused:
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why does pete go to so many different churches :confused:
hobby :confused:
Fetish prolly.
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GTFO of here, do you have his birth certificatte?
That's rich coming from someone who didn't see any particular need to examine Obama's birth certificate. :blank:
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Suggesting that a legitimate "record" of either Horus or Jesus exists is ludicrous. However, you have to at least acknowledge that written word about Horus would be quite a bit more difficult to find do to the thousands and thousands of years between the two characters.
For all we know, Jesus spent the missing years in Egypt boning up on now-extinct writings on Horus and then interwove these tales into conversations with followers that later ended up being part of the new testament. Easily as plausible as any other explanation of Jesus' missing years.
This ^^^^^^^^ :cheers:
That and Horus was never sold to the people as a living person.
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Originally Posted: Mon, 4 Jun 16:12 MDT
I Puked at the MegaChurch
Date: 2007-06-04, 4:12PM MDT
yesterdya I was out for a bike ride and I'm cruising and digging the grass and trees and farms and cows and horses and sayin hi to other people riding bikes and being cool with cars and liking the deep rumble of motorcycles as they blow by me.
I ride into this small town that will remain nameless to protect the small townies. I stop at this place to buy some stuff and they are like BRATS OUT BACK! so I'm like BRATS? And they are like FREE! so I'm out back yacking about the cows and farms with other lycra people stuffing pork meat encased in pork intestine into our holes. With mustard. Score! So I cram one down and think, why not and I crunch another tangy hot juicy pork thing down my hole.
Then, I'm off! Full of pork. Ready for more cows and horse manure smells. I even have me a tail wind as I leave this town and hit these hills. Short hills, that step up steeply. Like steps. One after another. I'm high on free meat so I punch it and get a good groove until about 3/4 of the way up when I feel not-so-good. I slow down and finish the last pitch to the top breathing hard and feeling funky.
I pull off the road into this parking lot which turns out to be the lot for a megachurch. And its sunday and they've been harvesting souls and the harvesting is over and the harvested souls are all meandering out to their jesus mobiles.
And I puke two free greasy pork meat brats with mustard onto their lot. Hoark! Plop! Drool runs from my lips to the sun warmed ashpalt as I let go with a dry heave. Damn! I suddenly feel fine after bulimatizing that load of pig chunks.
I look up at the jesus people who are looking at me and I yell, OUT SATAN! OUT!. Then I scoot outta that megachurch lot.
so there.
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GTFO of here, do you have his birth certificatte?
That's rich coming from someone who didn't see any particular need to examine Obama's birth certificate. :blank:
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Suggesting that a legitimate "record" of either Horus or Jesus exists is ludicrous. However, you have to at least acknowledge that written word about Horus would be quite a bit more difficult to find do to the thousands and thousands of years between the two characters.
For all we know, Jesus spent the missing years in Egypt boning up on now-extinct writings on Horus and then interwove these tales into conversations with followers that later ended up being part of the new testament. Easily as plausible as any other explanation of Jesus' missing years.
I'm not trying to tell you to believe that what the bible says about Jesus life was correct. I am just stating that it is a proven fact that Jesus was a real person. Throwing out all the religious stuff, he was a man who walked the earth at one point in time. Regardless of what he did or did not do, he was a real person, and it's impossible to prove otherwise, as there are records of him being there, and his crucifiction. By the people who killed him.
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It's all good and well that the Romans crucified some dude named Jesus over 2000 years ago, but that doesn't really help the whole "son of god" theory. I consider Jesus to be a philosopher the same way I think of Confucious(sp?). Doesn't change the way I live my life. Sure, there are a lot of good morals that Christians promote, and I think that's good for society, but the religion itself, or any religion, is kinda lame imo.
There's a lot of different people in the world, and lots of assholes happen to be Christians, atheists, Hindus, etc, and it's wrong to stereotype everyone in the group because of a few bad eggs. People trying to convert you to their religion is lame regardless of which religion (or lackthereof). If your friend is a Jesus freak who won't leave you alone about it, then he isn't being a very good friend. Sure, he thinks he's being a good person and doing a good thing, but you should only have to tell him you aren't interested once. Two Cents
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I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. :dunno:
Aside from flat-out atheism, it's the only option that is even remotely intellectually honest.
This is such a wide-spread crock of BS.
I'm not Christian but if you actually sit down and listen to Christian intellectuals without dismissing them beforehand, you might learn something.
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I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. :dunno:
Aside from flat-out atheism, it's the only option that is even remotely intellectually honest.
This is such a wide-spread crock of BS.
I'm not Christian but if you actually sit down and listen to Christian intellectuals without dismissing them beforehand, you might learn something.
Most real Christian "intellectuals" are really Unitarians in my experience. Unitarian groups usually have an "anchor" faith from which the base customs and traditions. The Christian ones are usually very open about how they interpret scripture, and aren't pushing the particular flavor that they learned at a denominationally sponsored seminary, IMO.
...And as far as "actually sit down and listen to Christian intellectuals without dismissing them beforehand," goes, I spent 25+ years doing that on a frequent basis. I did the time, my man, I did the time.
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The term Christian is being misused in this thread.
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The term Christian is being misused in this thread.
n.
One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.
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Interesting thread.
1st, the term Christian is often misused. Heck, even Christians often can't agree what it means completely.
2nd, I find it funny that people bag on Christians for wanting to convince people to "believe in Jesus", when implied in their own language is a desire to convince people not to believe. We all bring something to the plate here and we're all pretty much hypocrits in this area. And a message board forum is a stupid place to try to convince people either way anyway. Much like the political board is pretty much just repeating talking points that you already believe back and forth. But I suppose that is what the format is for, but at the end of the day its just peeing into the wind for the most part.
3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher". He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience. Far from a good moral teacher IMO.
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Interesting thread.
1st, the term Christian is often misused. Heck, even Christians often can't agree what it means completely.
2nd, I find it funny that people bag on Christians for wanting to convince people to "believe in Jesus", when implied in their own language is a desire to convince people not to believe. We all bring something to the plate here and we're all pretty much hypocrits in this area. And a message board forum is a stupid place to try to convince people either way anyway. Much like the political board is pretty much just repeating talking points that you already believe back and forth. But I suppose that is what the format is for, but at the end of the day its just peeing into the wind for the most part.
3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher". He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience. Far from a good moral teacher IMO.
Don't really get where you are going with this one.
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Interesting thread.
1st, the term Christian is often misused. Heck, even Christians often can't agree what it means completely.
2nd, I find it funny that people bag on Christians for wanting to convince people to "believe in Jesus", when implied in their own language is a desire to convince people not to believe. We all bring something to the plate here and we're all pretty much hypocrits in this area. And a message board forum is a stupid place to try to convince people either way anyway. Much like the political board is pretty much just repeating talking points that you already believe back and forth. But I suppose that is what the format is for, but at the end of the day its just peeing into the wind for the most part.
3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher". He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience. Far from a good moral teacher IMO.
I think you will be hard pressed to find many "don't believe in Jesus" missionaries. Those who make that choice do so and keep their yaps shut about it. Nobody ever rang my doorbell to try and convince me to not believe in jesus. Bad talking point.
Otherwise, fairly accurate. Jesus did teach you to try and do nice things though I never got that money changing freak out? Doesn't the church hit you up for every spare dime you got rattling around? Why did he break up some dudes money gig?
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Interesting thread.
1st, the term Christian is often misused. Heck, even Christians often can't agree what it means completely.
2nd, I find it funny that people bag on Christians for wanting to convince people to "believe in Jesus", when implied in their own language is a desire to convince people not to believe. We all bring something to the plate here and we're all pretty much hypocrits in this area. And a message board forum is a stupid place to try to convince people either way anyway. Much like the political board is pretty much just repeating talking points that you already believe back and forth. But I suppose that is what the format is for, but at the end of the day its just peeing into the wind for the most part.
3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher". He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience. Far from a good moral teacher IMO.
I think you will be hard pressed to find many "don't believe in Jesus" missionaries. Those who make that choice do so and keep their yaps shut about it. Nobody ever rang my doorbell to try and convince me to not believe in jesus. Bad talking point.
True. But a chart comparing Jesus to an ancient Egyptian god is essentually trying to "convince" someone something about who Jesus is. Granted, you have to draw your own conclusions. But yeah, there really isn't too much atheistic door to door preaching going on.
Interesting thread.
1st, the term Christian is often misused. Heck, even Christians often can't agree what it means completely.
2nd, I find it funny that people bag on Christians for wanting to convince people to "believe in Jesus", when implied in their own language is a desire to convince people not to believe. We all bring something to the plate here and we're all pretty much hypocrits in this area. And a message board forum is a stupid place to try to convince people either way anyway. Much like the political board is pretty much just repeating talking points that you already believe back and forth. But I suppose that is what the format is for, but at the end of the day its just peeing into the wind for the most part.
3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher". He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience. Far from a good moral teacher IMO.
Don't really get where you are going with this one.
Just read a good portion of what Jesus said about himself and what he was doing and see if it is just some "How to be a Good Person 101" seminar.
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3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher". He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience. Far from a good moral teacher IMO.
Don't really get where you are going with this one.
Don't know if this was exactly where Fan was going, but the point is that you either believe Jesus was really the son of God, like he said he was, and believe in every other word he said, or you don't. And if you don't that instantly turns Jesus into the single looniest person who ever lived. So in less you want to learn from the looniest man who ever lived, you must choose to be in or out, 100%. Can't have a little of both.
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3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher". He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience. Far from a good moral teacher IMO.
Don't really get where you are going with this one.
Don't know if this was exactly where Fan was going, but the point is that you either believe Jesus was really the son of God, like he said he was, and believe in every other word he said, or you don't. And if you don't that instantly turns Jesus into the single looniest person who ever lived. So in less you want to learn from the looniest man who ever lived, you must choose to be in or out, 100%. Can't have a little of both.
This I would agree with, what he said didn't make too much sense to me.
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3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher". He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience. Far from a good moral teacher IMO.
Don't really get where you are going with this one.
Don't know if this was exactly where Fan was going, but the point is that you either believe Jesus was really the son of God, like he said he was, and believe in every other word he said, or you don't. And if you don't that instantly turns Jesus into the single looniest person who ever lived. So in less you want to learn from the looniest man who ever lived, you must choose to be in or out, 100%. Can't have a little of both.
How is Jesus any loonier than any other person in history who has started a cult or religion? The claiming to be son of god, channel of god, etc. is a pretty standard marketing technique for those in the business. Lends credibility.
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The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet. They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote.
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The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet. They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote.
What was his message BMW?
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The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet. They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote.
His message was: Be like me.
So again, you either buy that that is the highest cause a person can devote himself to, following the son of God. Or, you think Jesus was a loony toon and we're lucky that the dude was killed when we was.
Also, Jesus was much, much more radical than any cult leader, etc.
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The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet. They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote.
What was his message BMW?
A few examples:
"Love thy neighbor."
"He who hath not sinned, cast the first stone."
"Kill them with kindness."
Jesus' ultimate message, though, is that we all have the potential to be God. God is the sum of all that is virtuous in human nature.
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The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet. They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote.
What was his message BMW?
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The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet. They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote.
What was his message BMW?
A few examples:
"Love thy neighbor."
"He who hath not sinned, cast the first stone."
"Kill them with kindness."
Jesus' ultimate message, though, is that we all have the potential to be God. God is the sum of all that is virtuous in human nature.
You've got work to do.
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3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher". He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience. Far from a good moral teacher IMO.
I agree with this.
I mean, anyone who believes in God/Jesus (throughout history) is either f'ing brilliant or certifiable.....
"hey, pharoh, let my people go or God will send frogs and locusts and turn the river into blood and kill everyone's first born"
"did you see that dood turn all that water into wine?"
"holy sh*t...there's no body in that tomb"
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The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet. They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote.
What was his message BMW?
A few examples:
"Love thy neighbor."
"He who hath not sinned, cast the first stone."
"Kill them with kindness."
Jesus' ultimate message, though, is that we all have the potential to be God. God is the sum of all that is virtuous in human nature.
Extremely incorrect. In the bible it states that none of us have the potential to be God, because we were born sinners, and God has never sinned. Very stupid statement to make IMO. But I didn't expect you to all of a sudden be smart just because your post had nothing to do with ku.
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You can learn a lot from Jesus and not think he's truly God if you don't take everything in the bible literally. <-which you really shouldn't anyway
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False.
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You can learn a lot from Jesus and not think he's truly God if you don't take everything in the bible literally. <-which you really shouldn't anyway
Yeah, he sounded like a good dude.
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Anyone enjoy the Mr. Diety series?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzf8q9QHfhI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzf8q9QHfhI)
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The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet. They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote.
Very judgmental post IMO
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False.
You seem kinda all over the place on this topic.