My friend is a jesus freak (jesus freaks gtfo of my thread)

[catzacker]

we're no fracking different (from an existence standpoint) than any other animal on earth.  we live, we die.  that's it.  humans have, since their existence, been terrified of their own mortality, so much so that we create/believe in things that answer questions we (at that point in time) couldn't figure out and in regards to mortality that answer will make us (either through a soul, reincarnation, etc.) immortal. 

I'm sure those Aztecs that had a rain god would sure like f*cking idiots right now if they knew the real reason for rain....which had nothing to do with sacrificing a 1K virgins.

the only plausible/logical explanation for a god is there has to be an "uncaused cause".  something/someone had to set everything in motion. 

[doom]

If you want a more or less logical explanation for God and our need for one kind of on the first cause argument read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity.  If not then it really doesn't matter what anyone says because you will still believe God is an unjust baby killer.  If we're really just floating on a soulless orb in the cosmos, then just play golf with your friend and shut up about it while you still have time to golf.

[KansasForever]

I'm a Christian and back in my college days I would give you a million reasons why being a Christian makes sense. 

But nowadays, it is clear to me that some people just don't want to hear any of it, and it doesn't bother me anymore.  One thing I will say is that the die-hard atheists are no more logical than the die-hard Christians. 

There are genuine fence-sitters who aren't sure either way, though, and usually they will let you know at some point if you make yourself open to them.  So I don't worry too much about it.

Oh, I guess, one more thing.  My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario.  If I'm right, than you're really ****ed. 

Cheers!!!!! 

[fatty fat fat]

Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'

i agree with your premise, but it doesn't work like that. it gets pretty annoying when they say asinine strange things that science/college has taught you is simply not true.

it's crazy how many engeneiers are jesus freaks.

Oh, I guess, one more thing.  My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario.  If I'm right, than you're really ****ed.

then god is a pretty fracked up dude.

[KansasForever]

Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'

i agree with your premise, but it doesn't work like that. it gets pretty annoying when they say asinine strange things that science/college has taught you is simply not true.

it's crazy how many engeneiers are jesus freaks.

Oh, I guess, one more thing.  My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario.  If I'm right, than you're really ****ed.

then god is a pretty fracked up dude.

Not all Jesus people are like that.  I'm a Christian that embraces science.  The problem is that the nutjobs are way louder.

One of the major scientist dudes who cracked the DNA code wrote a book called The Language of God which is pretty close to my beliefs.  He embraces science, evolution, etc.   

[doom]

Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'

i agree with your premise, but it doesn't work like that. it gets pretty annoying when they say asinine strange things that science/college has taught you is simply not true.

Yep college is infallible in what it teaches.

[ksuno1stunner]

If you want a more or less logical explanation for God and our need for one kind of on the first cause argument read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity.  If not then it really doesn't matter what anyone says because you will still believe God is an unjust baby killer.  If we're really just floating on a soulless orb in the cosmos, then just play golf with your friend and shut up about it while you still have time to golf.

"My friend is a jesus freak (jesus freaks gtfo of my thread)"

Take your bible somewhere else, freak.

Oh, I guess, one more thing.  My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario.  If I'm right, than you're really ****ed. 

Cheers!!!!! 

What if Buddha, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the real God?

If Buddha is the real God, looks like my worst case scenario is your best case scenario.  DUCY?

[k-state-wildcats11]

If you want a more or less logical explanation for God and our need for one kind of on the first cause argument read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity.  If not then it really doesn't matter what anyone says because you will still believe God is an unjust baby killer.  If we're really just floating on a soulless orb in the cosmos, then just play golf with your friend and shut up about it while you still have time to golf.

"My friend is a jesus freak (jesus freaks gtfo of my thread)"

Take your bible somewhere else, freak.

Oh, I guess, one more thing.  My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario.  If I'm right, than you're really ****ed. 

Cheers!!!!! 

What if Buddha, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the real God?

If Buddha is the real God, looks like my worst case scenario is your best case scenario.  DUCY?

hmm that also means you never die since buddhists believe in the whole being reborn/reincarnation thing maybe thats hindus I dont remember.  But hopefully you come back as a tree so I can chop you down and print the bible on you.



(dane cook I know)

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I got really pissed when some jesus freaks at work tried to take advantage of deaths in my family to try to turn me onto god.

[ksuno1stunner]

If you want a more or less logical explanation for God and our need for one kind of on the first cause argument read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity.  If not then it really doesn't matter what anyone says because you will still believe God is an unjust baby killer.  If we're really just floating on a soulless orb in the cosmos, then just play golf with your friend and shut up about it while you still have time to golf.

"My friend is a jesus freak (jesus freaks gtfo of my thread)"

Take your bible somewhere else, freak.

Oh, I guess, one more thing.  My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario.  If I'm right, than you're really ****ed. 

Cheers!!!!! 

What if Buddha, Allah, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the real God?

If Buddha is the real God, looks like my worst case scenario is your best case scenario.  DUCY?

hmm that also means you never die since buddhists believe in the whole being reborn/reincarnation thing maybe thats hindus I dont remember.  But hopefully you come back as a tree so I can chop you down and print the bible on you.



(dane cook I know)

I'm probably going to be reincarnated as a worm.

I got really pissed when some jesus freaks at work tried to take advantage of deaths in my family to try to turn me onto god.

After I told my friend that I didn't need to be prayed for, he mentioned family crisis.  These guys have no shame.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

I got really pissed when some jesus freaks at work tried to take advantage of deaths in my family to try to turn me onto god.

They're not 'taking advantage.' You're not looking at it from their point of view.

Consider this... say you believe in God. You are so strong in your belief that you know salvation is found through God. Your mentality is not to 'take advantage' of people but to save their life(or soul perhaps).

They aren't looking at it as a chance to convert you just for the sake of converting you. They are seeing it as a good time to try and get you to find God for the sake of salvation. They want to help/save you.

Don't get defensive. At least see it from their perspective.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'

i agree with your premise, but it doesn't work like that. it gets pretty annoying when they say asinine strange things that science/college has taught you is simply not true.

it's crazy how many engeneiers are jesus freaks.

Oh, I guess, one more thing.  My worse case scenario (That God doesn't really exist) is your best case scenario.  If I'm right, than you're really ****ed.

then god is a pretty fracked up dude.

I don't find any particular religion to be more believable than the next. But I don't try and put them all down as if they are ridiculous either.

But I also don't take everything I hear from science and scientists as facts anymore. Scientists are people and although many likely do legitimate work, there is bias, lies, and agendas everywhere human beings operate. Just look at this global warming crap for reference. Anything and everything can be twisted.

I don't find that science and the notion of a God/Creator contradict each other either.

[Kat Kid]

Ask him how God can be just, all-knowing and all-powerful and allow all the horrific things that occur in this world.  If he brings up "people make war" bring up Katrina/Earth Quakes etc.  There is no one watching over us.  We are all alone.

Just because you don't believe in an interventionist God doesn't mean there is no God at all.

And the case could be made that dropping people into a situation and observing how they handle it, completely on their own, would be a good way of judging people's character and judging the good in a collective people. Don't do anything to influence their decisions and don't infringe on their free will.

yes, but that is not their belief.  His fundamentalist Christian friend believes that he possesses a unique interpretation of what god is and what his goals for us are.  If everyone sort of just believed in life as a general judgement period and acted in the world's best interest this wouldn't be such a big deal.  The problem is that these a-holes have insane beliefs that they not only would like to talk to me about, but that they want to impose through policies.  I don't go up to people and try to tell them their little magic show is a joke, but if the dude is preaching to stunner he has every right to tell him he's a tard.  Stunner didn't bring it up, the tard did.

If you think Stunner is being 'wronged' by this guy than the correct reply wouldn't be one of hostility. Stunner is just stooping to the jesus freak's level.

Say something along the lines of 'I recognize that you are trying to help me in accordance with your beliefs but I do not share the same feelings towards jesus/christianity/prayer. Thanks though, good buddy'

Just rearrange that into something that sounds more... human. 

Well yeah, but it isn't my friend.

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After I told my friend that I didn't need to be prayed for, he mentioned family crisis.  These guys have no shame.

Interestingly, a good friend of mine is highly religious and we've had some good-natured arguments about it before.  He also is genuinely motivated by his religion (regardless of whether he's correct in his beliefs or not) to live a morally upstanding life.  This guy's gone out of his way to not bring up religion in any conversations about the deaths because he knows how incredibly inappropriate that would be to imply to me that it's relevant.

They're not 'taking advantage.' You're not looking at it from their point of view.

Consider this... say you believe in God. You are so strong in your belief that you know salvation is found through God. Your mentality is not to 'take advantage' of people but to save their life(or soul perhaps).

They aren't looking at it as a chance to convert you just for the sake of converting you. They are seeing it as a good time to try and get you to find God for the sake of salvation. They want to help/save you.

Don't get defensive. At least see it from their perspective.

Will I go to hell for firing them? 

[Pete]

I love the "God never gives us more than we can handle" statements.

Oh yeah, how to do you explain suicide?  Those mother&@#%ers seem to have had a wee bit more than they could handle.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Will I go to hell for firing them? 

Yes. One-way ticket with a seat next to Fred Phelps.

[ksuno1stunner]

Played today.  Felt like I held my own until he brought up Jesus.  Like, he was so certain that he existed and came back, and I had no idea so I got pwned.  Why would this be reason enough for someone to choose christianity over something like Buddhism?  His reason for why christianity is the right god as compared to Buddhism, was pretty much because it was different than christianity.

[doom]

I know you told me to gtfo of your thread, but I still recommend Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis for the answer to your last question.  It kind of describes why someone might argue that there is a God, he's perfect and we're not, therefore we need redemption, therefore we need a God who redeems, yada yada.  It's not as good a read as the Chronicles just because it doesn't have fawns in it, but it does what it's supposed to.  It would be a good book to read as an agnostic, because it could help you understand where your friend is coming from in a reasonable format without verse references and feel good paradoxes. 

[swish1]

most christians believe that if children get killed at a young enough age where they arent intelligent enough to understand about God or religon then they havent been able to make the choice to become a christian and therefore will go to heaven.  and the example about adults in other countries not having heard of the "christian God or Jesus" is why there are missionaries.  it is the responsibility of christians to spread God's word to people who havent heard it.

im not a "Jesus freak" and i dont preach to anybody who doesnt want to hear it.  but the people in this thread who hate "Jesus freaks" are acting the exact same way about christians that their "Jesus freaks" act about non-christians.  its a little hypocritical.

[pwrcat1]

most christians believe that if children get killed at a young enough age where they arent intelligent enough to understand about God or religon then they havent been able to make the choice to become a christian and therefore will go to heaven.  and the example about adults in other countries not having heard of the "christian God or Jesus" is why there are missionaries.  it is the responsibility of christians to spread God's word to people who havent heard it.

im not a "Jesus freak" and i dont preach to anybody who doesnt want to hear it.  but the people in this thread who hate "Jesus freaks" are acting the exact same way about christians that their "Jesus freaks" act about non-christians.  its a little hypocritical.

qft.

[pwrcat1]

If you want a more or less logical explanation for God and our need for one kind of on the first cause argument read C.S. Lewis' Mere Christianity.  If not then it really doesn't matter what anyone says because you will still believe God is an unjust baby killer.  If we're really just floating on a soulless orb in the cosmos, then just play golf with your friend and shut up about it while you still have time to golf.

qft x2.

[Saulbadguy]

Some people can't stfu about it, kinda pisses me off.  Plus, Jesus doesn't make any sense. 

[ksuno1stunner]

Some people can't stfu about it, kinda pisses me off.  Plus, Jesus doesn't make any sense. 

Jesus killer.

[steve dave]

I find that people who aren't secure with what they believe are usually the ones that try to argue for or against their own or other religions/beliefs to try to reasure themselves that what they think they believe is correct.  Usually people who are secure with what they believe have no need to.  Just imo.

[doom]

I find that people who aren't secure with what they believe are usually the ones that try to argue for or against their own or other religions/beliefs to try to reasure themselves that what they think they believe is correct.  Usually people who are secure with what they believe have no need to.  Just imo.

Sounds like you're going to hell to me.

[fatty fat fat]

Hey Jesus freak, be sure not to go on an alcohol binge tonight, hypocritical loser.

[doom]

Hey Jesus freak, be sure not to go on an alcohol binge tonight, hypocritical loser.

Since we've been speaking in this thread more about logic than religion I'll mention that Ad Hominem Tu Quoque is a fallacy. 

[McGrowlTowelZac]

Wow, just stumbled onto this thread about a month too late.  There were so many responses to to reply to, but I don't want to be here all night.

The hostility in this thread towards Christians is mind boggling.  I don't get it either.  I hate ku, but I understand that there are decent people who are ku fans.  So some hawks I might like, others not so much.  Stereotyping them altogether does no good.

If you saw someone drowning and you had a life preserver, wouldn't you at least throw it to the person?  If they don't want to take it, then so be it.  If they want to try an tread water on their own, then good luck to them.

As far as Christians being hypocritical, well a lot of times that just comes from people wanting to see them fail.  Christians aren't perfect, nor will they ever be, but the point is to try to be Christ like, who was without sin.  Because they put themselves out there as trying to live without sin, I know it makes it that much more fun and easier to point and laugh when they trip up.  But at least their trying.

Trying to put God into a perspective that you can understand is where so many people will turn away.  Our minds can't comprehend God and his existence, and to try to put God into a standard to do so is pointless.  His power is unfathomable.  That's where faith comes into it.  Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of what you cannot see.  And for many that faith is asking too much.

 

[jmlynch1]

Hey Jesus freak, be sure not to go on an alcohol binge tonight, hypocritical loser.

Since we've been speaking in this thread more about logic than religion I'll mention that Ad Hominem Tu Quoque is a fallacy. 

He didn't say you were wrong. He said you were a hypocrit.

[catzacker]

Wow, just stumbled onto this thread about a month too late.  There were so many responses to to reply to, but I don't want to be here all night.

The hostility in this thread towards Christians is mind boggling.  I don't get it either.  I hate ku, but I understand that there are decent people who are ku fans.  So some hawks I might like, others not so much.  Stereotyping them altogether does no good.

If you saw someone drowning and you had a life preserver, wouldn't you at least throw it to the person?  If they don't want to take it, then so be it.   If they want to try an tread water on their own, then good luck to them.

that's just it, you f*cking idiots think we're drowning.  we're all just living, so stfu and do your thing and let others do theirs and quit acting like you're saving someone who isn't drowning.