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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: opcat on August 16, 2006, 03:30:16 PM
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That he's got the edge in the battle.
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agree
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Water is wet.
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start the first game?
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Wait a minute...Is Keitzman talking about Morgan Freeman?
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Didn't hear KK today, but of course JF starting at some point is very likely, either because he earned it, or he "earned" (as in it was promised to him), or by default if DM gets injured.
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tim floyd
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I want Freeman to start from day 1 no matter what.
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Replayed the show at 5:30pm
Said Freeman was way better than Everidge and Lopina and they knew it too.
I think he said Freeman has looked really good in practices. Don't know if he said if he was better than Meir though.
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I thought that was interesting spin KK put on things: "If KSU has lost quarterbacks who will likely start at other BCS schools, then how much better must Freeman be?"
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Freeman is going to be another Vince Young, but with more finesse.
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And KK heard this where?
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bslimz told him.
So did Rusty.
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bslimz told him.
Of course, to borrow from MrWhite, I also told him that Tim Floyd would replace Asbury. Oopsie.
There's not much doubt from everything we've seen and heard over the last few weeks that Freeman's on track to be starting very soon. As KK said today, all things being equal, you're going to go with the younger guy...more upside.
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I agree. Freeman is the real deal from my spies in Manhattan. Imagine if Roberson was so good at that age... oh wait..
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ofcourse he has the edge in the battle, everyone else in the battle has been removed except a guy who can't stay healthy. this entire situation was tailor made for freeman and it stinks
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ofcourse he has the edge in the battle, everyone else in the battle has been removed except a guy who can't stay healthy. this entire situation was tailor made for freeman and it stinks
You nebraska fans are really ticked about us stealing Freeman.
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Not sure why they are pissed about it.
In order to 'steal' Freeman, Prince had to promise him starting time at QB.
3 other QBs left because of this.
Freeman came and with Prince's help, gave the program a cancer.
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Conjecture and supposition.
Squawker, you're concerned.
Thanks for playing.
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It is possible to connect the dots and come to the conclusion that RP basically ran off Lopina, Webb, and Evridge in order to make it an easier decision to start Freeman. I am not saying that is what RP did, but the ways things have played out makes this scenario plausible.
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they won't play for Freeman as he isn't a leader. Leaders don't need to ascend to their position by backroom handshakes and dirty dealings.
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Its not just plausible. Its the truth.
Think about this series of events as unbiased as possible:
1. Four quarterbacks are on the roster.
2. A new, young quarterback is recruited by a new coach.
3. Three of the quarterbacks leave.
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a)The new QB already proved himself to be far and away better. (Down 10 shots of the purple kool-aid to believe this)
b)They don't want to play for the new coach. (Drink 10 shots so that the question 'Why not?' never occurs to you and its easier to just call the players slackers)
c)The new quarterback is favored in an obviously unfair manner.(Drink 20 shots so you can ignore this and #4)
4. Two of the quarterbacks that left hint to the media that they didn't receive a fair shot.
5. One of the quarterbacks transfers to a new college that already has four quarterbacks.
The answer is right under your nose, kicking you in the junk.
Hell, the former players said the damn answer themselves.
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Pure unfounded speculation.
Freeman is good and other qbs aren't as good.
AE,Webb & Lopina were running qbs designed for the option run.
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Pure unfounded speculation.
Freeman is good and other qbs aren't as good.
AE,Webb & Lopina were running qbs designed for the option run.
No one comes in without even one year of redshirt experience and takes the starting position as quarterback from two very good QBs(Lopina and Evridge).
No one.
He would have had to blow them out of the water and nothing at all indicates that he did.
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Freeman = (Culpepper + Marino + Manning) * Elway ? I think so.
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Everyone knows he is goin to start, he was promised the job
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I don't know whats worse .....
A fusker who is better about the thought that JF is gonna be a stud (wearing purple not red), OR a stupid squawk who thinks he knows all of the inside info happening at Ksu.
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Dude I'm a KState fan but I honestly think he was promised the job.....and I also hate Prince so yeah...
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Freeman is going to be another Vince Young, but with more finesse.
Ding ding ding ding ding. If he doesn't get hurt and stays for 4 years he will be the most prolific quarterback in KState history. Yes, I will go on the record with that claim.
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"AE,Webb & Lopina were running qbs designed for the option run"
yeah, lopina and the option, must be why Washington State wanted him, they are an option team if i ever saw one.
:ustupid:
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GoldenShower and Gay Cornhole's obsession with all things KSU continues.
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freeman = [(brett favre + joe montana)^michael bishop] - allan evridge
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Freeman is going to be better in a year or two, currently I'm not sure he is there. Prince didn't run them off to make an easier decision, this makes no sense. If he was going to start Freeman than he was going to do it regardless of the roster. Lopina left because he doesn't ahve experience and only has a year on the young prospect, not favorable. Webb's scholarship pretty much wasn't renewed, but I've heard he has of the field problems and this was long before RP was there, also, he is an option QB. Everidge's transfer is the one that worries me, but we will see how it turns out.
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No one comes in without even one year of redshirt experience and takes the starting position as quarterback from two very good QBs
a) They weren't "very" good QBs, and
b) it's hardly impossible for a true freshman to simply be better than older, more experienced QBs.
Is that the case? No clue, but you're being retarded by dealing in absolutes.
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No one comes in without even one year of redshirt experience and takes the starting position as quarterback from two very good QBs
a) They weren't "very" good QBs, and
b) it's hardly impossible for a true freshman to simply be better than older, more experienced QBs.
Is that the case? No clue, but you're being retarded by dealing in absolutes.
Yes, they were. Evridge was a FRESHMAN behind a very crapty offensive line and set a record for passing.
Its not impossible but highly unlikely. Freeman would have to prove that he doesn't need even one year of redshirt experience(even Vince Young redshirtted for a year) and that he can make up for the lack of game time experience compared to the others.
And two quarterbacks expressed that they weren't getting a fair shot. Where there is smoke, there is fire. I find it funny that so many are more than ready to dog the players that leave calling them slackers and quitters although the players gave their reason... and since its negative to Prince, the slick talking, scary smart newcomer it must not be true. For the sake and pride of Kstate football, it had better not be true.
The entire fan base refuses to think anything negative about Prince but they'll bash ANYONE else who offers up a reason to.
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You are so full of $hit GoldenShowerGangBang ... read some of the posts on this board ragging on Prince.
Geezus ... tell us your stupidity is an act, no way you are this stupid are you??
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Are you completely blind, Goldie? Prince is being bashed up and down all the K-State message boards.
And I have no idea who is at fault or what the real stories are with the player defections. My point is, neither do you.
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The entire fan base refuses to think anything negative about Prince but they'll bash ANYONE else who offers up a reason to.
I read this and then said all the things kougar and dax said. I've come to the conclusion that you don't read anything anybody says. You just talk.
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Prince is not being bashed up and down by Kstate fans. On gopowercat and kstatefans its rampant Evridge and Prater bashing now. Everytime someone brings up Prince on those boards and any possible wrong doing he is blasted by several other posters and even the occassional mods such as cire and catfan. Its like they moved into a denial phase. Several had opened up about their thoughts on Prince but it was put down quickly by the 'You aren't a true fan' type accusations.
Its funny that Evridge went from a damn good quarterback and an upstanding human being to a liar and pathetic quarterback just for saying that he didn't feel he received a fair shot at quarterback.
On this site, there is more Prince bashing but the kool aid drinkers are still pushing their dumb crap here as well.
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Prince is not being bashed up and down by Kstate fans. On gopowercat and kstatefans its rampant Evridge and Prater bashing now. Everytime someone brings up Prince on those boards and any possible wrong doing he is blasted by several other posters and even the occassional mods such as cire and catfan. Its like they moved into a denial phase. Several had opened up about their thoughts on Prince but it was put down quickly by the 'You aren't a true fan' type accusations.
Its funny that Evridge went from a damn good quarterback and an upstanding human being to a liar and pathetic quarterback just for saying that he didn't feel he received a fair shot at quarterback.
On this site, there is more Prince bashing but the kool aid drinkers are still pushing their dumb @#%$ here as well.
WTF to you expect you Tard. It's no different with KSU fans then any other fans.
You only want to see bashing, because that's all your here to do, bash KSU. You're not a KSU fan, but you're obsessed with KSU, and the fact that you literally clog up entire threads on two KSU boards with the same old BS over and over again proves it.
Sad ...
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Prince is not being bashed up and down by Kstate fans. On gopowercat and kstatefans its rampant Evridge and Prater bashing now. Everytime someone brings up Prince on those boards and any possible wrong doing he is blasted by several other posters and even the occassional mods such as cire and catfan. Its like they moved into a denial phase. Several had opened up about their thoughts on Prince but it was put down quickly by the 'You aren't a true fan' type accusations.
Its funny that Evridge went from a damn good quarterback and an upstanding human being to a liar and pathetic quarterback just for saying that he didn't feel he received a fair shot at quarterback.
On this site, there is more Prince bashing but the kool aid drinkers are still pushing their dumb @#%$ here as well.
you literally clog up entire threads on two KSU boards with the same old BS over and over again proves it.
The irony.
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Prince is not being bashed up and down by Kstate fans. On gopowercat and kstatefans its rampant Evridge and Prater bashing now. Everytime someone brings up Prince on those boards and any possible wrong doing he is blasted by several other posters and even the occassional mods such as cire and catfan. Its like they moved into a denial phase. Several had opened up about their thoughts on Prince but it was put down quickly by the 'You aren't a true fan' type accusations.
Its funny that Evridge went from a damn good quarterback and an upstanding human being to a liar and pathetic quarterback just for saying that he didn't feel he received a fair shot at quarterback.
On this site, there is more Prince bashing but the kool aid drinkers are still pushing their dumb @#%$ here as well.
you literally clog up entire threads on two KSU boards with the same old BS over and over again proves it.
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The irony.
There is no irony ... I am K-State fan, posting on K-State boards.
Like I always say, don't tell anyone you go to KSU ... otherwise KSU might lose its accreditation.
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Prince is not being bashed up and down by Kstate fans. On gopowercat and kstatefans its rampant Evridge and Prater bashing now. Everytime someone brings up Prince on those boards and any possible wrong doing he is blasted by several other posters and even the occassional mods such as cire and catfan. Its like they moved into a denial phase. Several had opened up about their thoughts on Prince but it was put down quickly by the 'You aren't a true fan' type accusations.
Its funny that Evridge went from a damn good quarterback and an upstanding human being to a liar and pathetic quarterback just for saying that he didn't feel he received a fair shot at quarterback.
On this site, there is more Prince bashing but the kool aid drinkers are still pushing their dumb @#%$ here as well.
you literally clog up entire threads on two KSU boards with the same old BS over and over again proves it.
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The irony.
There is no irony ... I am K-State fan, posting on K-State boards.
Like I always say, don't tell anyone you go to KSU ... otherwise KSU might lose its accreditation.
You got banned from a kstate site for clogging up threads with the same ku and Nu crap over and over and over again.
It doesn't matter what thread. You started talking about ku's meeting with the NCAA in the middle of a Tyler Hughes joins NAMBLA thread.
At least I stay on topic.
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Good one ku fan.
ku fan with nearly 5,000 posts on two KSU boards.
The definition of obsessed.
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Prince is not being bashed up and down by Kstate fans.
Well, I guess that answers the question of whether or not you're blind.
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Good one ku fan.
ku fan with nearly 5,000 posts on two KSU boards.
The definition of obsessed.
You paid to post on huskerpedia.
It doesn't get more obsessed than that.
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Prince is not being bashed up and down by Kstate fans.
Well, I guess that answers the question of whether or not you're blind.
Fish me out some threads on those boards that are bashing Prince.
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It was $20, and I don't belong there anymore, haven't for several years ... sorry you're poor and I'm not.
I never even approached the number of posts you have on K-State boards, not even remotely close.
But to sit there and say the "Entire Fan Base" ... is just crap, you've been called on it, and now you're angry.
Sad ...
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Prince is not being bashed up and down by Kstate fans.
Well, I guess that answers the question of whether or not you're blind.
Fish me out some threads on those boards that are bashing Prince.
HeavyD
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Post #4998 of course he predicted this.... Reply
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he is smarter than all of us. Just ask him.
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It was $20, and I don't belong there anymore, haven't for several years ... sorry you're poor and I'm not.
I never even approached the number of posts you have on K-State boards, not even remotely close.
But to sit there and say the "Entire Fan Base" ... is just crap, you've been called on it, and now you're angry.
Sad ...
Its not a point of whether I have the money or not.
Its the fact that you paid money to post there. I have never paid money to post anywhere and I never will. If any money comes out of my pocket, its going to phog but right now its just not a good enough investment considering how quickly the information spreads anyway.
Calling out my post count is ridiculous when I can call out your wallet.
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Prince is not being bashed up and down by Kstate fans.
Well, I guess that answers the question of whether or not you're blind.
Fish me out some threads on those boards that are bashing Prince.
HeavyD
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Post #4998 of course he predicted this.... Reply
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he is smarter than all of us. Just ask him.
Link.
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Ya know dax, it's not just the fact that Goldy has thousands of posts on KSU boards but also he very rarely posts on the ku board.
Now I realize that roughly 75% of the topics on phag.net are KSU related, but in the few threads they do manage to discuss actual ku football, Goldy is nowhere to be found.
It's pretty obvious where Goldy's heart lies...
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ku's football coach cheats and ku fans will defend him until the end. Get over yourself.
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JC,
Actually, there are a lot of fans, me included, that will not excuse what happened. No one really knows what MM did or what he really knew, but it is his program and he takes the heat. Having said that, we will support what MM has done in re-building the program. This does not mean we defend the allegations.
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Ya know dax, it's not just the fact that Goldy has thousands of posts on KSU boards but also he very rarely posts on the ku board.
Now I realize that roughly 75% of the topics on phag.net are KSU related, but in the few threads they do manage to discuss actual ku football, Goldy is nowhere to be found.
It's pretty obvious where Goldy's heart lies...
Thats because saying 'Ya we're gonna be good' and 'Wow, Kerry Meier rocks' is boring as hell.
Discussions aren't as fun as arguments I guess.
I hate to give Rodless credit, but the warzone is the best sports messageboard you'll find. No mods.
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You don't have a subscription so why bother with a link ... but wait, given your obsession with all things KSU sports related, you just might have subscription.
So let me see here ... you just said that you don't post on phag.net ... which is completely obsessed with KSU, as is kusports.com because they're too rah-rah ... and then you're ragging on K-State fans on KSU BBS's because they're too Rah-Rah??
The Irony.
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Goldy did post in the premium board of KSF. I remember.
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You don't have a subscription so why bother with a link ... but wait, given your obsession with all things KSU sports related, you just might have subscription.
So let me see here ... you just said that you don't post on phag.net ... which is completely obsessed with KSU, as is kusports.com because they're too rah-rah ... and then you're ragging on K-State fans on KSU BBS's because they're too Rah-Rah??
The Irony.
No, thats not what I'm saying at all.
On phog there is only so much to say as its just discussion usually. I DO post on phog. I have 939 posts over there. But I don't chime in unless its an argument.
You could only find one link of someone bashing prince and it was an unconfirmable post on premium?
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Goldy did post in the premium board of KSF. I remember.
Thats because I had free access for two weeks.
I didn't pay a dime.
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Goldy did post in the premium board of KSF. I remember.
Thats because I had free access for two weeks.
I didn't pay a dime.
It wouldn't matter even if it was free. It still reeks of obsession.
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dax,
What's up with the whole phag.net deal? You know, there are gays and lesbians at both schools and some are football fans.
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You don't have a subscription so why bother with a link ... but wait, given your obsession with all things KSU sports related, you just might have subscription.
So let me see here ... you just said that you don't post on phag.net ... which is completely obsessed with KSU, as is kusports.com because they're too rah-rah ... and then you're ragging on K-State fans on KSU BBS's because they're too Rah-Rah??
The Irony.
No, thats not what I'm saying at all.
On phog there is only so much to say as its just discussion usually. I DO post on phog. I have 939 posts over there. But I don't chime in unless its an argument.
You could only find one link of someone bashing prince and it was an unconfirmable post on premium?
The board I got that post from has thousands of posts and lots of new topics everyday, I am not going to spend all day going back through posts to find the ones that were ragging on Prince (which was going hot and heavy last week) just to prove to some pissant whose obsessed with KSU that people were ragging on Prince.
If you don't want to believe that people were ... so be it.
Go rag on Bill Self all the time on Phag net GoldenShowerGangBang and see how long you last. Afterall, the guy just lead some of the best basketball talent in the country to two sterling first round exits from the NCAA tourny.
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Yep, and it's no different than the current situation. Allegations have been made against Prince which nobody really knows the other side of the story. Several left feeling jilted, a very large percentage of players stayed. Numerous KSU fans have not been happy with the situation and have voiced their opinion about it. Every KSU fan is going to continue to support the program though and some will be more fervent in their support than others.
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dax,
What's up with the whole phag.net deal? You know, there are gays and lesbians at both schools and some are football fans.
It has to do with Jeff Boschee.
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dax,
What's up with the whole phag.net deal? You know, there are gays and lesbians at both schools and some are football fans.
Yeah ... and that doesn't mean I am not going to quit calling Phag.net ... Phag.net.
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Look - I thought it was low of Prince to do what he did with AE, but I do realize I , as a fan, have no idea of what really went on. Prince is our coach and I can't do anything to change that, so i'll just have to support him and his decision.
I also agree with the sentiment that JF should be the starter from DAY 1. He is the most talent QB on the roster. If we get lucky, 4 years down the road, he'll be a first day NFL draft pick, because he has all the physical tools to get him to that level...as a freshman. Let's see how he can run an offense, and lead a team.
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Goldy did post in the premium board of KSF. I remember.
Thats because I had free access for two weeks.
I didn't pay a dime.
It wouldn't matter even if it was free. It still reeks of obsession.
It was free.
And it was entertaining. I wouldn't call it obssesive though. Sean had posted a 'first ten replies get free premium' and after around three some hours it still wasn't done. Not enough had replied yet. So I did.
And I entertained myself for a couple weeks.
Unlike Dax, the 'obsession' isn't there enough to pay for a rival's messageboard.
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While you continue to rack up posts on KSU boards, the best defense for your obsession is to continully point out what I did 2 years ago.
That's pretty sad.
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ku's football coach cheats and ku fans will defend him until the end. Get over yourself.
just like KSU fans defend Huggins for identical violations.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4j3NQDJgFjGpvqRqCKO6AI-YXARX4_83FR9b_0A_YLc0NCIckdFAEuT364!/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfTFU!?CONTENT_URL=http://www.ncaa.org/releases/infractions/1998/1998110501in.htm
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While you continue to rack up posts on KSU boards, the best defense for your obsession is to continully point out what I did 2 years ago.
That's pretty sad.
Your obsession cost you money.
My 'obsession' cost me... nothing.
The time frame in which you paid is immaterial.
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ku's football coach cheats and ku fans will defend him until the end. Get over yourself.
just like KSU fans defend Huggins for identical violations.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/!ut/p/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4j3NQDJgFjGpvqRqCKO6AI-YXARX4_83FR9b_0A_YLc0NCIckdFAEuT364!/delta/base64xml/L3dJdyEvUUd3QndNQSEvNElVRS82XzBfTFU!?CONTENT_URL=http://www.ncaa.org/releases/infractions/1998/1998110501in.htm
There was a lack of institutional control over the men's basketball program.
Interesting.
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At least you admit now that you're obsessed with KSU ... that's a good start.
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Well so much for the Freeman talk.
But I can't help but point out that Huggins issues with the NCAA happened at Cincy. When they happened most K-State people couldn't have given a flying F about Cincy.
When K-State's in-state, in conference rival gets hit with 10 Major Violations, LOIC, academic fraud and fails to report over 20 secondary violations ... we tend to pay a lot more attention.
Funny how that works, but you can never underestimate the stupidity of SquawkLogic.
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Well so much for the Freeman talk.
But I can't help but point out that Huggins issues with the NCAA happened at Cincy. When they happened most K-State people couldn't have given a flying F about Cincy.
When K-State's in-state, in conference rival gets hit with 10 Major Violations, LOIC, academic fraud and fails to report over 20 secondary violations ... we tend to pay a lot more attention.
Funny how that works, but you can never underestimate the stupidity of SquawkLogic.
And we tend to pay attention when you hire a coach that has gotten himself in the same trouble.
Funny how his baggage follows him, Kstate fans defend him, and then mock us for defending our coaches.
Its just a little ironic.
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Goldie, just shut up.
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LOL!!
One main difference.
Bob Huggins hasn't done anything wrong at KSU ... Mark Mangino ... is ku's current football coach.
The Bob Huggins situation happened what ... almost 10 years ago ... ku just met with the NCAA and tried to lie there way out of any additional sanctions I am sure.
Time frame, relevance ... location.
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Time frame, relevance ... location.
Time frame and location make no difference.
Its the same man.
Kelvin Sampson isn't clean just because he left OU where he did his dirty deeds.
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Hmmm ... 2 years, 10 years ... 2 years, 10 years ... can you even count Goldie?? When did the NCAA rule on Kelvin Sampson, when did the NABC rule on Kelvin Sampson ... is OU being sanctioned RIGHT NOW because of Kelvin Sampson??
Now change Kelvin Sampson to Bob Huggins and change OU to Cincy and ask the same questions??
Next up ... Goldie will defend the financial hijacking of the Chalmers family, replete with ku created timelines to "prove" everything on the up and up. T
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I'm not saying Ksu should be on probation.
I'm saying you hired a man with baggage that put his old employer in trouble.
Its just funny that you throw stones at Mangino for being dirty when your coach is as well... and no amount of time washes those old stains away. Your time frame argument is dumb as hell.
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and no amount of time washes those old stains away. Your time frame argument is dumb as hell.
So you're going to label Mangino a cheater from here on out then correct? No matter how much success he has, he will always be known as a cheater by Goldy.
Once a cheater, always a cheater...
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He's not going to be able to clean himself of it, no.
Should Mangino get fired or leave for greener pastures some day anyone hiring him is going to consider what he did to put ku on the ncaa's list.
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Over the last 13 years, KSU is 12-1*
* = subject to review by the NCAA.
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Nope.
And why did you only include 13 years?
You should go back the whole way.
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Nope.
And why did you only include 13 years?
You should go back the whole way.
That includes most of your life. The previous years you were just special ed.
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GoldAnimeGangBang every obsessed with KSU post you make is dumb as hell ...it's simply the baseline we all use.
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I bellieve that Freeman was pretty much promised to play as a freshman. As I new guy comming in I would have done the same thing in order to bring in a quality athlete to build around. Have no Idea about this year but think KSU will be much better next year and year after. Hey this is now Princes program to either swim or sink. He clearly understands that and is going to call the shots that favor him and this program. Folks will forgive a slow start this year. Maybe a second year but not the third! JMHO :beerchug: :beerchug:
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Its funny that Evridge went from a damn good quarterback and an upstanding human being to a liar and pathetic quarterback just for saying that he didn't feel he received a fair shot at quarterback.
I never thought Evridge was a damn good QB. He had no business starting last year. Webb screwed his career with his lackadaisical attitude. When Webb cared and prepared he played well. He just didn't have the work ethic to be a D1 QB. Evridge tried hard and played hard - he just doesn't have enough talent.
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Oh and just so its out there again. Meier isn't good enough either. This season totally depends on Freeman's development. If he stalls out and Meier is the man the KSU will be just like the last 2 years.
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Quit your bitchin fools since when has Gay State mattered?
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Pure unfounded speculation.
Freeman is good and other qbs aren't as good.
AE,Webb & Lopina were running qbs designed for the option run.
No one comes in without even one year of redshirt experience and takes the starting position as quarterback from two very good QBs(Lopina and Evridge).
No one.
He would have had to blow them out of the water and nothing at all indicates that he did.
Did you see Evridge and Lopina at the Spring Game? I did. Lopina looked like horse dung, and Evridge looked alright....but to be honest, I though Freeman looked the best of all the QB's. His fade throw to Jordy in the corner, and his dart across the middle (with only a TINY window of err with which to work) to Juice were beautiful. Some of the best throws I've seen from a KSU QB in a while.