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Sports => The Good, The Bad, and the "Meh" => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on May 27, 2008, 02:42:44 PM
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Men's Lacrosse: K-State could play in the Great Western Lacrosse League which is Air Force, Denver, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Quinnapiac and Bellarmine.
Men's Tennis: Per NCAA rules a school must have TWO sports that consists of both genders (K-State would have golf and tennis to meet that requirement).
Wrestling
Women's Softball
Facilities:
Lacrosse: Old Memorial Stadium (Only need to do some renovations on the West Side since the East Side is slated for a student enrollment/counseling center). You're looking at about $1.5 million for offices and a dressing room.
Wrestling: Practice in Ahearn Gym, meets in Bramlage (basketball practice facility in place). You're looking at $500-$700K for offices and dressing room.
Tennis: Same as the women, they would just need their own dressing room in Ahearn like the women, you're looking at $300K tops.
Softball: Just move the fences at TFS, some minor field revamping and take the urinals out of the dressing room.
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Lacrosse: Gaining popularity . . . an early spring Saturday afternoon match against Notre Dame at old Memorial Stadium. Think about it.
Wrestling: Would take its lumps, but there is high school wrestling in Kansas and natural rivalries in Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa State, Oklahoma State and Oklahoma. I suspect you could draw some pretty nice crowds for some of those matches.
Softball: Plenty of softball being played around the country, particularly in the Midwest, K-State would have a clear advantage on facilities over just about anybody right out of the gate.
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lacrosse! :love: :love: :love: (hence my thread...indirectly)
I dont see why we still dont have a softball team??? as you said, it would be so easy to do.
I could see wrestling taking some time to really develop but i agree that it is worth a shot.
:ksu:
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Why?
KSU Men's baseball: No conference titles in decades, no NCAA tournament appearances ever. Let's kill this thing now.
Men's track and XC: K-State has NEVER won a men's outdoor title, and hasn't won an indoor title in THIRTY TWO years. K-State hasn't won a cross country conference title in 33 years, and has only finished in the upper half of the Big 12 conference ONE time. Time to pull the trigger and put this program out of its misery.
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Why?
KSU Men's baseball: No conference titles in decades, no NCAA tournament appearances ever. Let's kill this thing now.
Men's track and XC: K-State has NEVER won a men's outdoor title, and hasn't won an indoor title in THIRTY TWO years. K-State hasn't won a cross country conference title in 33 years, and has only finished in the upper half of the Big 12 conference ONE time. Time to pull the trigger and put this program out of its misery.
why what?
i wasn't really disagreeing with anything. hence the " :love:" and " :ksu:"
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"WHY" was rhetorical.
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right.
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Men's Lacrosse: K-State could play in the Great Western Lacrosse League which is Air Force, Denver, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Quinnapiac and Bellarmine.
Men's Tennis: Per NCAA rules a school must have TWO sports that consists of both genders (K-State would have golf and tennis to meet that requirement).
Wrestling
Women's Softball
Facilities:
Lacrosse: Old Memorial Stadium (Only need to do some renovations on the West Side since the East Side is slated for a student enrollment/counseling center). You're looking at about $1.5 million for offices and a dressing room.
Wrestling: Practice in Ahearn Gym, meets in Bramlage (basketball practice facility in place). You're looking at $500-$700K for offices and dressing room.
Tennis: Same as the women, they would just need their own dressing room in Ahearn like the women, you're looking at $300K tops.
Softball: Just move the fences at TFS, some minor field revamping and take the urinals out of the dressing room.
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Lacrosse: Gaining popularity . . . an early spring Saturday afternoon match against Notre Dame at old Memorial Stadium. Think about it.
Wrestling: Would take its lumps, but there is high school wrestling in Kansas and natural rivalries in Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa State, Oklahoma State and Oklahoma. I suspect you could draw some pretty nice crowds for some of those matches.
Softball: Plenty of softball being played around the country, particularly in the Midwest, K-State would have a clear advantage on facilities over just about anybody right out of the gate.
Ummm...basketball??
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Yeah, didn't even think of that since it's a staple.
But you have to have 6 men's sports so lets see:
Football-Fall
Basketball-Winter
Lacrosse-Spring
Wrestling-Winter
Men's Golf-Spring
Men's Tennis-Spring
Women's XC-Fall
Volleyball-Fall
Women's Indoor Track-Winter
Women's Basketball-Winter
Horse Girls-Spring/Winter??
Women's Outdoor Track-Spring
Softball-Spring
Crew-Spring
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kansas has some pretty awesome talent in hs wrestling. not saying they would automatically come to KSU, but like you said it's worth a shot and it would take its lumps.
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kansas has some pretty awesome talent in hs wrestling. not saying they would automatically come to KSU, but like you said it's worth a shot and it would take its lumps.
you are right. kansas has a very deep wrestling pool to choose from, but at a d1 level, with competition factored in of course, it will take some time to develop. worth it though, imo.
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wrestling might take it's lumps but it would have support from the beginning. There is tremendous kids, high school, and juco wrestling here. Plus it's exciting to watch - anyone who has been to hays for 3-2-1A state knows what I'm talking about.
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as for Track, go ahead and check the credentials of the head coach, Cliff Rovelto. You DONT get rid of him or the program. He's the best coach at KSU and its not even close. The mens programs has been 2nd at the Big 12's in the past and is right now in the transition of becoming a "national" team rather than a conference team. Two yrs ago they were 11th at the NCAA's just missing a top 10 finish by one point. Keep in mind also that a mens track program has 12.6 scholly's.
Rovelto brings enormous amounts of cred to KSU, its just behind the scenes.
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Let's see K-State's last 5 Outdoor conference Finishes:
5th
5th
10th
10th
10th
K-State's last 10 NCAA Finishes:
No Points
Tied for 24th
No Points
No Points
No Points
Tied for 48th
Tied for 31st
Tied for 46th
Tied for 36th
Tied for 18th (3 way tie, and there were 22 teams within 10 points of the Top 10)
Yep, that must be the longest transition in history.
Finishing "almost in the Top 10" at the NCAA outdoor is like almost making the cut at the Masters. Tons of guys get to say that every year, and tons of track teams get to say they almost finished in the Top 10 at the NCAA Outdoor meet.
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their 11th place finish was indoors
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I was on the 3rd place conference indoor team in '02. I believe the next season they finished 2nd. The '02 team finished 5th in the NCAA TEAM power rankings. The outdoor season sees teams in the south do better with the addition of the Javelin and some other factors.
Dont get me wrong, I have wondered myself why the team has performed at levels that appear sub par, but I have been told that more money is going to fewer athletes, and the athletes that are receiving scholly's are potential scorers at the NCAA meet.
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Track should maybe be given a couple of more years to do something, since K-State actually has a little history, and had some world class talent come through over the years. Hey, I was on the track team way back, but this complete inability to even challenge for a conference title is getting to be absurd.
But baseball should get the ax immediately, it has hit its pinnacle, nice effort guys, but shut it down. If you've been playing a sport for 100 years, and you've never once been in the competition that determines that sports ultimate champion, than the sports gods are sending you a clear signal.
Move in the fences, and make TFS a women's softball facility.
Start a wrestling program, I could see wrestling matches ultimately drawing 4-5-6,000 people. A Lacrosse team would be exciting, it's a growing sport, and K-State could build a nice team IMO.
It's time for a paradigm shift, why continue to throw money at sports who never, ever do anything, and nobody cares about??
K-State vs Ohio State in Lacrosse at Old Memorial Stadium . . . that would be exciting.
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Track should maybe be given a couple of more years to do something, since K-State actually has a little history, and had some world class talent come through over the years. Hey, I was on the track team way back, but this complete inability to even challenge for a conference title is getting to be absurd.
But baseball should get the ax immediately, it has hit its pinnacle, nice effort guys, but shut it down. If you've been playing a sport for 100 years, and you've never once been in the competition that determines that sports ultimate champion, than the sports gods are sending you a clear signal.
Move in the fences, and make TFS a women's softball facility.
Start a wrestling program, I could see wrestling matches ultimately drawing 4-5-6,000 people. A Lacrosse team would be exciting, it's a growing sport, and K-State could build a nice team IMO.
It's time for a paradigm shift, why continue to throw money at sports who never, ever do anything, and nobody cares about??
K-State vs Ohio State in Lacrosse at Old Memorial Stadium . . . that would be exciting.
Track should be axed because it doesn't generate revenue. No one wants to pay to watch people run in a circle.
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Track should maybe be given a couple of more years to do something, since K-State actually has a little history, and had some world class talent come through over the years. Hey, I was on the track team way back, but this complete inability to even challenge for a conference title is getting to be absurd.
But baseball should get the ax immediately, it has hit its pinnacle, nice effort guys, but shut it down. If you've been playing a sport for 100 years, and you've never once been in the competition that determines that sports ultimate champion, than the sports gods are sending you a clear signal.
Move in the fences, and make TFS a women's softball facility.
Start a wrestling program, I could see wrestling matches ultimately drawing 4-5-6,000 people. A Lacrosse team would be exciting, it's a growing sport, and K-State could build a nice team IMO.
It's time for a paradigm shift, why continue to throw money at sports who never, ever do anything, and nobody cares about??
K-State vs Ohio State in Lacrosse at Old Memorial Stadium . . . that would be exciting.
Track should be axed because it doesn't generate revenue. No one wants to pay to watch people run in a circle.
maybe not to run in a circle, but i'd damn sure pay to see the High Jump crew that trains under coach Rovelto. 6 guys with a personal best of 7' 6" 1/2 or better. They are in the top 8 in the US and top 25 in the world. Go to a meet some time and who knows, you might be watching a medalist from a past Oly games or a future champion.
Oh yeah, how about that coaching staff? Three Olympians, two of them being among the greatest CLEAN athletes to ever walk this planet, in other two of the greatest ever! Tom Pappas is the only man to ever jump over 7' in the high jump, 17' in the pole vault, and 26' in the long jump in the SAME meet.
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wrestling and softball are the two giant question marks in my head, in regards to why we do not already have them. both would be successful. kansas has strong wrestling ties as well as softball. lacrosse is more of a dream, but def. one that i would love to see become a reality. it is a very competitive sport that is easy for anyone to follow, even if they're not the biggest sports fans. def. a revenue boon, and if it is a bust it would not be like the school was forced to put that much money into it anyways.
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Track should maybe be given a couple of more years to do something, since K-State actually has a little history, and had some world class talent come through over the years. Hey, I was on the track team way back, but this complete inability to even challenge for a conference title is getting to be absurd.
But baseball should get the ax immediately, it has hit its pinnacle, nice effort guys, but shut it down. If you've been playing a sport for 100 years, and you've never once been in the competition that determines that sports ultimate champion, than the sports gods are sending you a clear signal.
Move in the fences, and make TFS a women's softball facility.
Start a wrestling program, I could see wrestling matches ultimately drawing 4-5-6,000 people. A Lacrosse team would be exciting, it's a growing sport, and K-State could build a nice team IMO.
It's time for a paradigm shift, why continue to throw money at sports who never, ever do anything, and nobody cares about??
K-State vs Ohio State in Lacrosse at Old Memorial Stadium . . . that would be exciting.
Track should be axed because it doesn't generate revenue. No one wants to pay to watch people run in a circle.
maybe not to run in a circle, but i'd damn sure pay to see the High Jump crew that trains under coach Rovelto. 6 guys with a personal best of 7' 6" 1/2 or better. They are in the top 8 in the US and top 25 in the world. Go to a meet some time and who knows, you might be watching a medalist from a past Oly games or a future champion.
Oh yeah, how about that coaching staff? Three Olympians, two of them being among the greatest CLEAN athletes to ever walk this planet, in other two of the greatest ever! Tom Pappas is the only man to ever jump over 7' in the high jump, 17' in the pole vault, and 26' in the long jump in the SAME meet.
That's all well and good, but that's not a recipe for winning anything in track and field, particularly the real track and field season, which is the outdoor season.
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If we add men's tennis, I would cry.
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I knew 2 guys on the men's team when they dropped it, they were pissed.
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dax, its not going to hurt recruiting though! Start stacking elites in your stable and people are bound to notice!
I completely agree with softball and wrestling. I grew up playing baseball just like any other American kid, but softball is friggin fun to watch! It just boggles me how we dont have a wrestling program. I just dont know where to begin on that one.
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dax, its not going to hurt recruiting though! Start stacking elites in your stable and people are bound to notice!
I completely agree with softball and wrestling. I grew up playing baseball just like any other American kid, but softball is friggin fun to watch! It just boggles me how we dont have a wrestling program. I just dont know where to begin on that one.
Wrestling is dumb.
We need something to utilize mem. stadium. That thing is beauitiful.
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Wrestling is a terrible, terrible sport. Its boring, spreads disease, and all high school wrestlers talk about is how wrestling is "harder" than basketball. Hey, go drain your cauliflower ear idiot.
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Nobody is saying its a pretty thing . . . but certainly worthy of a try considering that K-State has played baseball for 100 years and has done exactly jack$hit.
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Wrestling is a terrible, terrible sport. Its boring, spreads disease, and all high school wrestlers talk about is how wrestling is "harder" than basketball. Hey, go drain your cauliflower ear idiot.
played both sports, wrestling is indeed harder in many aspects. btw, keep being a dumbass.
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i'd only be in favor of getting rid of baseball if we replaced it with softball.
and who cares about their titles as long as they wear tight shorts and are good looking. Like volleyball. Success, good looking(most of the time) women, tight shorts.
Yes.
Nice.
And wrestling, as much as I hate it, would bring a lot of success to KSU. Kansas has a lot of really good talent.
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This entire thread just screams Shawn Winters show. http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=26568.0
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Wrestling is a terrible, terrible sport. Its boring, spreads disease, and all high school wrestlers talk about is how wrestling is "harder" than basketball. Hey, go drain your cauliflower ear idiot.
played both sports, wrestling is indeed harder in many aspects. btw, keep being a dumbass.
How's that ringworm? Wrestlers are just disgusting human beings.
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Wrestling is a terrible, terrible sport. Its boring, spreads disease, and all high school wrestlers talk about is how wrestling is "harder" than basketball. Hey, go drain your cauliflower ear idiot.
played both sports, wrestling is indeed harder in many aspects. btw, keep being a dumbass.
How's that ringworm? Wrestlers are just disgusting human beings.
QFT.
Why anybody would choose to do that sport is beyond me.
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Wrestling is a terrible, terrible sport. Its boring, spreads disease, and all high school wrestlers talk about is how wrestling is "harder" than basketball. Hey, go drain your cauliflower ear idiot.
played both sports, wrestling is indeed harder in many aspects. btw, keep being a dumbass.
How's that ringworm? Wrestlers are just disgusting human beings.
Wrestling is much, much more difficult than basketball. However, it is also gross.
You don't have to be gay to wrestle, but it doesn't hurt....and wrestling doesn't make you gay, but it doesn't help.
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wrestling is kinda like RHPS or BW Project. its hard to see why people really love it, or even like it. for some reason they do though, and in the mid-west there is enough of them that it could really flourish at k-state.
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Wrestling is a terrible, terrible sport. Its boring, spreads disease, and all high school wrestlers talk about is how wrestling is "harder" than basketball. Hey, go drain your cauliflower ear idiot.
played both sports, wrestling is indeed harder in many aspects. btw, keep being a dumbass.
How's that ringworm? Wrestlers are just disgusting human beings.
Wrestling is much, much more difficult than basketball. However, it is also gross.
Just because wrestling is more painful doesn't necessarily mean that it's more difficult. It would be really easy to punch myself in the face with a hammer.
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Just because wrestling is more painful doesn't necessarily mean that it's more difficult. It would be really easy to punch myself in the face with a hammer.
L0L
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Wrestling is a terrible, terrible sport. Its boring, spreads disease, and all high school wrestlers talk about is how wrestling is "harder" than basketball. Hey, go drain your cauliflower ear idiot.
played both sports, wrestling is indeed harder in many aspects. btw, keep being a dumbass.
How's that ringworm? Wrestlers are just disgusting human beings.
Wrestling is much, much more difficult than basketball. However, it is also gross.
Just because wrestling is more painful doesn't necessarily mean that it's more difficult. It would be really easy to punch myself in the face with a hammer.
seriously, i dont know how many thousands of times ive had to listen to wrestlers use the argument that extreme physical exertion makes the sport harder/more difficult. thats usually about the time i shake my head and walk away.
but hey at least, with that mindset, we shouldn't have a problem filling up our manual labor jobs for the rest of their lifetime. :woohoo:
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Wrestling is not even close to being harder than basketball. Holy God.
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Wrestling is not even close to being harder than basketball. Holy God.
QFGDT!
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I've never met someone who wrestled competitively that I can have a conversation with. Usually the retardiest or the retardedy in my experience.
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Who else remembers the "Co-ed naked lacrosse" t-shirts from the 80's?
"Ruff, Tuff, and in the Buff!"
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i love how everyone says it can't be harder but they have never done it competitively. everyone plays f*cking basketball. the only hard sh*t is running. in wrestling there's also running, maybe not as much, but there's also cutting weight, wrestling after cutting weight, the wrestling itself, being an individual sport (fatty u have to appreciate that with u being a "hardcore" tennis player") and having no one to blame but yourself.
you're right, i always asked why i f*cking did that sport. to be honest, i kinda hated it. but nothing could beat being able to woop some kids ass without getting in trouble. you don't have to like it, few people do, but at least respect it.
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and for the record, in the 4 years that i was in High School wrestling, only one kid on my team got ringworm, or anything like it. and he was a dirty kid. and none of us have caulaflower.
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Wrestling is not even close to being harder than basketball. Holy God.
you're a fat tennis player, shut up.
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cutting weight
Yeah. Great sport, dude.
Wrestling is on the same level of sport as bodybuilding.
Translation?
NOT A SPORT.
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sports i want at k-state-
men- lacrosse, karate kicking cinder blocks/stacks of ice/wood planks
women- soccer & field hockey
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sports i want at k-state-
men- lacrosse, karate kicking cinder blocks/stacks of ice/wood planks
women- soccer & field hockey
willie would totally go nuts at these tourneys.
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Okay, after a little thought (like 10 seconds) . . . set a timeline for baseball to make the NCAA tournament, say 3 more years. No NCAA tournament by 2012, drop the program.
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hell, we'll still have the club team. i say do it now.
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How many more richy-rich boring-ass only sports can we squeeze into this discussion?
How about hackey-sack?
Or hockey?
Or Polo?
Or croquette?
I suppose we could scrounge the entire winter Olympics (you know the boring one)
Bit I agree the baseball program needs to tied to a tree and have its head bashed in with a shovel.
KSU should definitely have softball, but lacrosse is teh lame-o.
The real answer is of course swimming and diving, for all of the obvious reasons.
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Wrestling is a horrible, filthy sport that should not be allowed beyond high school. The dudes I knew in high school treated it almost like a cult.
Also, most of them pronounced it "rasslin' "
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Wrestling shouldn't be a sport at kstate. They had it before and cut it (for a reason). I can't believe that anyone thinks it could draw in the thousands. It is pretty lame to watch and should never be considered a replacement for baseball which is actually somewhat enjoyable.
That being said I was a more than decent wrestler in highschool. When talking about which sport is "harder", I guess it depends on what you definition of harder is. Wrestling is hard in the fact that it sucks and after a match or meet or even some practices...you don't want to do anything for a day. Basketball or other sports are harder because they are more skilled and less people can probably do them well.
For the most part wrestlers suck at other sports and are an easy target because of it imo.
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Why don't they just drop every women's sport except volleyball? :jeffy:
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Wrestling shouldn't be a sport at kstate. They had it before and cut it (for a reason). I can't believe that anyone thinks it could draw in the thousands. It is pretty lame to watch and should never be considered a replacement for baseball which is actually somewhat enjoyable.
That being said I was a more than decent wrestler in highschool. When talking about which sport is "harder", I guess it depends on what you definition of harder is. Wrestling is hard in the fact that it sucks and after a match or meet or even some practices...you don't want to do anything for a day. Basketball or other sports are harder because they are more skilled and less people can probably do them well.
For the most part wrestlers suck at other sports and are an easy target because of it imo.
qft
being good at wrestling is partially skill, but a large majority of how long you have been doing it. but yes, it sucks ass.
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Track should maybe be given a couple of more years to do something, since K-State actually has a little history, and had some world class talent come through over the years. Hey, I was on the track team way back, but this complete inability to even challenge for a conference title is getting to be absurd.
But baseball should get the ax immediately, it has hit its pinnacle, nice effort guys, but shut it down. If you've been playing a sport for 100 years, and you've never once been in the competition that determines that sports ultimate champion, than the sports gods are sending you a clear signal.
Move in the fences, and make TFS a women's softball facility.
Start a wrestling program, I could see wrestling matches ultimately drawing 4-5-6,000 people. A Lacrosse team would be exciting, it's a growing sport, and K-State could build a nice team IMO.
It's time for a paradigm shift, why continue to throw money at sports who never, ever do anything, and nobody cares about??
K-State vs Ohio State in Lacrosse at Old Memorial Stadium . . . that would be exciting.
Track should be axed because it doesn't generate revenue. No one wants to pay to watch people run in a circle.
maybe not to run in a circle, but i'd damn sure pay to see the High Jump crew that trains under coach Rovelto. 6 guys with a personal best of 7' 6" 1/2 or better. They are in the top 8 in the US and top 25 in the world. Go to a meet some time and who knows, you might be watching a medalist from a past Oly games or a future champion.
Oh yeah, how about that coaching staff? Three Olympians, two of them being among the greatest CLEAN athletes to ever walk this planet, in other two of the greatest ever! Tom Pappas is the only man to ever jump over 7' in the high jump, 17' in the pole vault, and 26' in the long jump in the SAME meet.
And that my friends is why our track is not competitive at the college level. Any see who got 2nd-3rd in the 800 in b12's -- two FORMER wildcats now running for UT. Clif puts all his eggs in Dec and HJ for Olympic purposes. He's a USA coach at a university. Instead of building a team he's developed a HJ & Dec Olympic program that other athletes train around.
As for Cross, it's amazing how :flush: it's become over the past decade. It once was one of the top B8 programs now its Wooly-ish and fights to stay off the bottom. The question is...is it worth it/better to have 1 Christian Smith/Chesang or a competitive team? Not saying it's impossible for both, but not likely.
Regardless, it would be cool to get soccer or lacross to use the old stadium.
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Track should maybe be given a couple of more years to do something, since K-State actually has a little history, and had some world class talent come through over the years. Hey, I was on the track team way back, but this complete inability to even challenge for a conference title is getting to be absurd.
But baseball should get the ax immediately, it has hit its pinnacle, nice effort guys, but shut it down. If you've been playing a sport for 100 years, and you've never once been in the competition that determines that sports ultimate champion, than the sports gods are sending you a clear signal.
Move in the fences, and make TFS a women's softball facility.
Start a wrestling program, I could see wrestling matches ultimately drawing 4-5-6,000 people. A Lacrosse team would be exciting, it's a growing sport, and K-State could build a nice team IMO.
It's time for a paradigm shift, why continue to throw money at sports who never, ever do anything, and nobody cares about??
K-State vs Ohio State in Lacrosse at Old Memorial Stadium . . . that would be exciting.
Track should be axed because it doesn't generate revenue. No one wants to pay to watch people run in a circle.
maybe not to run in a circle, but i'd damn sure pay to see the High Jump crew that trains under coach Rovelto. 6 guys with a personal best of 7' 6" 1/2 or better. They are in the top 8 in the US and top 25 in the world. Go to a meet some time and who knows, you might be watching a medalist from a past Oly games or a future champion.
Oh yeah, how about that coaching staff? Three Olympians, two of them being among the greatest CLEAN athletes to ever walk this planet, in other two of the greatest ever! Tom Pappas is the only man to ever jump over 7' in the high jump, 17' in the pole vault, and 26' in the long jump in the SAME meet.
And that my friends is why our track is not competitive at the college level. Any see who got 2nd-3rd in the 800 in b12's -- two FORMER wildcats now running for UT. Clif puts all his eggs in Dec and HJ for Olympic purposes. He's a USA coach at a university. Instead of building a team he's developed a HJ & Dec Olympic program that other athletes train around.
As for Cross, it's amazing how :flush: it's become over the past decade. It once was one of the top B8 programs now its Wooly-ish and fights to stay off the bottom. The question is...is it worth it/better to have 1 Christian Smith/Chesang or a competitive team? Not saying it's impossible for both, but not likely.
Regardless, it would be cool to get soccer or lacross to use the old stadium.
THANK YOU!!
It's Cliff's job to build a program to compete for conference titles and not for the now $3-$4 million dollars (new indoor track surface going in right now) that's been invested in track facilities in the last few years to be used for a couple of people to train to be possible Olympians.
There's no excuse for K-State to have a XC team that brings up the bottom of the Big 12, even when K-State athletics didn't have $hit in terms of revenue from football, K-State still had good XC teams. Now K-State fields the minimum number of sports, and will likely spend somewhere between $45-$50 million on sports this coming year. No reason that ALL K-State teams shouldn't be competitive.
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Track should maybe be given a couple of more years to do something, since K-State actually has a little history, and had some world class talent come through over the years. Hey, I was on the track team way back, but this complete inability to even challenge for a conference title is getting to be absurd.
But baseball should get the ax immediately, it has hit its pinnacle, nice effort guys, but shut it down. If you've been playing a sport for 100 years, and you've never once been in the competition that determines that sports ultimate champion, than the sports gods are sending you a clear signal.
Move in the fences, and make TFS a women's softball facility.
Start a wrestling program, I could see wrestling matches ultimately drawing 4-5-6,000 people. A Lacrosse team would be exciting, it's a growing sport, and K-State could build a nice team IMO.
It's time for a paradigm shift, why continue to throw money at sports who never, ever do anything, and nobody cares about??
K-State vs Ohio State in Lacrosse at Old Memorial Stadium . . . that would be exciting.
Track should be axed because it doesn't generate revenue. No one wants to pay to watch people run in a circle.
maybe not to run in a circle, but i'd damn sure pay to see the High Jump crew that trains under coach Rovelto. 6 guys with a personal best of 7' 6" 1/2 or better. They are in the top 8 in the US and top 25 in the world. Go to a meet some time and who knows, you might be watching a medalist from a past Oly games or a future champion.
Oh yeah, how about that coaching staff? Three Olympians, two of them being among the greatest CLEAN athletes to ever walk this planet, in other two of the greatest ever! Tom Pappas is the only man to ever jump over 7' in the high jump, 17' in the pole vault, and 26' in the long jump in the SAME meet.
And that my friends is why our track is not competitive at the college level. Any see who got 2nd-3rd in the 800 in b12's -- two FORMER wildcats now running for UT. Clif puts all his eggs in Dec and HJ for Olympic purposes. He's a USA coach at a university. Instead of building a team he's developed a HJ & Dec Olympic program that other athletes train around.
As for Cross, it's amazing how :flush: it's become over the past decade. It once was one of the top B8 programs now its Wooly-ish and fights to stay off the bottom. The question is...is it worth it/better to have 1 Christian Smith/Chesang or a competitive team? Not saying it's impossible for both, but not likely.
Regardless, it would be cool to get soccer or lacross to use the old stadium.
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It's Cliff's job to build a program to compete for conference titles and not for the now $3-$4 million dollars (new indoor track surface going in right now) that's been invested in track facilities in the last few years to be used for a couple of people to train to be possible Olympians.
There's no excuse for K-State to have a XC team that brings up the bottom of the Big 12, even when K-State athletics didn't have $hit in terms of revenue from football, K-State still had good XC teams. Now K-State fields the minimum number of sports, and will likely spend somewhere between $45-$50 million on sports this coming year. No reason that ALL K-State teams shouldn't be competitive.
Hire SMNW XC coach Van Rose. 14 straight 6A kansas boys titles, and multiple girls titles, the dude can coach runners. but he loves teaching as well, an amazing calculus teacher. and he's pretty old.
i say just drop the effing sport or get tips from the legend himself.
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If we add men's tennis, I would cry.
Dido. I'd be a HUGE fan. I'd go to the matches.
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THANK YOU!!
It's Cliff's job to build a program to compete for conference titles and not for the now $3-$4 million dollars (new indoor track surface going in right now) that's been invested in track facilities in the last few years to be used for a couple of people to train to be possible Olympians.
There's no excuse for K-State to have a XC team that brings up the bottom of the Big 12, even when K-State athletics didn't have $hit in terms of revenue from football, K-State still had good XC teams. Now K-State fields the minimum number of sports, and will likely spend somewhere between $45-$50 million on sports this coming year. No reason that ALL K-State teams shouldn't be competitive.
Hire SMNW XC coach Van Rose. 14 straight 6A kansas boys titles, and multiple girls titles, the dude can coach runners. but he loves teaching as well, an amazing calculus teacher. and he's pretty old.
i say just drop the effing sport or get tips from the legend himself.
The thing about XC is that it's cheap, thus a few bucks for a good coach and you could do well there and that will lead to more pts in I/O T&F (as most programs do not emphasize it). Unfortunately, good HS coaches don't always translate to good college coaches. I ran for coach Joe Schrag at TWHS (I don't think we ever lost to SMNW at State btw - maybe once out of four yrs) who said he would love to coach at the college if he didn't have to recruit. Recruiting is the foundation of college athletics. Granted success at the HS may lead to success at D1 (a la Frank Martin), but recruiting is the struggle -- especially now with soccer "taking away" some talented distance runners.
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Replace with:
Men's Lacrosse: K-State could play in the Great Western Lacrosse League which is Air Force, Denver, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Quinnapiac and Bellarmine.
Men's Tennis: Per NCAA rules a school must have TWO sports that consists of both genders (K-State would have golf and tennis to meet that requirement).
Wrestling
Women's Softball
Facilities:
Lacrosse: Old Memorial Stadium (Only need to do some renovations on the West Side since the East Side is slated for a student enrollment/counseling center). You're looking at about $1.5 million for offices and a dressing room.
Wrestling: Practice in Ahearn Gym, meets in Bramlage (basketball practice facility in place). You're looking at $500-$700K for offices and dressing room.
Tennis: Same as the women, they would just need their own dressing room in Ahearn like the women, you're looking at $300K tops.
Softball: Just move the fences at TFS, some minor field revamping and take the urinals out of the dressing room.
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Lacrosse: Gaining popularity . . . an early spring Saturday afternoon match against Notre Dame at old Memorial Stadium. Think about it.
Wrestling: Would take its lumps, but there is high school wrestling in Kansas and natural rivalries in Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa State, Oklahoma State and Oklahoma. I suspect you could draw some pretty nice crowds for some of those matches.
Softball: Plenty of softball being played around the country, particularly in the Midwest, K-State would have a clear advantage on facilities over just about anybody right out of the gate.
Are you trying to imply that softball players don't piss standing up? :confused: