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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: fatty fat fat on March 19, 2008, 07:35:24 PM
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What an idiot fanbase.
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Cole is the missing piece to the championship puzzle. Everything is falling into place. Why can't the Viks' be from Bortland State? Now there's no stopping them.
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haters. that's what you is.
:peek:
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Say what!?
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You guys overplay the sherron thing.
It's just ridic.
He also seems like a douche. Why?
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Have you seen Sherron Collins when he's healthy compared to when he's not? Kansas is a completely different team when he's at full strength. Very Low BBIQ if you don't see the diff.
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Have you seen Sherron Collins when he's healthy compared to when he's not? Kansas is a completely different team when he's at full strength. Very Low BBIQ if you don't see the diff.
Meh. seems like you guys say, "INJURED!" When he sucks, and "NOT INJURED!" when he doesn't suck.
If the guy is playing every game, he isn't hurt.
I don't want to make you mad though (you go crazy sometimes), so I'm treading lightly here.
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It seems like you care more than you should.
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Walker has been hurt for, like, the past 9 games (except Baylor).
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It seems like you care more than you should.
Aqib f-ing Talib. Where did that guy come from?
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It's all just one big conspiracy... I guess the stress fracture in his foot halfway through the season was just a hoax.
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It's all just one big conspiracy... I guess the stress fracture in his foot halfway through the season was just a hoax.
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=31788
when was he healthy? when wasn't he?
please pick and choose to your liking.
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Didn't Sharon have surgery in like Mid November or something? I'm new to basketball, but is that halfway through the season?
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Injuries can take months to fully recover from. A 70% Sherron can still play, but he's not the same player we saw at the end of the season. Very low BBIQ from fatty.
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Injuries can take months to fully recover from. A 70% Sherron can still play, but he's not the same player we saw at the end of the season. Very low BBIQ from fatty.
So when did he get healthy? He had just as good #'s from late jan - early feb.
It's a ridiculous talking point from ku fans.
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It seems like you care more than you should.
Aqib f-ing Talib. Where did that guy come from?
Somehow travelled from your nightmares to assume a tangible human form...all Elm Street style?
:cheers:
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It seems like you care more than you should.
Aqib f-ing Talib. Where did that guy come from?
Somehow travelled from your nightmares to assume a tangible human form...all Elm Street style?
:cheers:
How about that dance before the OB? F-ing excellent.
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Injuries can take months to fully recover from. A 70% Sherron can still play, but he's not the same player we saw at the end of the season. Very low BBIQ from fatty.
So when did he get healthy? He had just as good #'s from late jan - early feb.
It's a ridiculous talking point from ku fans.
No... you just haven't seen as much Kansas and Sherron as most of us have. He plays at another level when he's fully healthy. The first glimpse was against K-State in Allen Fieldhouse.
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Hey, let's all remember and hang a banner for the time Jordy burned Aqib.
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Hawkish that one just never gets old . . . damn that's funny. :lol:
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Hawkish that one just never gets old . . . damn that's funny. :lol:
You just tried to make fun of someone using a lame, sarcastic cliche! :lol:
You are dumb. And not funny
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Hawkish that one just never gets old . . . damn that's funny. :lol:
You just tried to make fun of someone using a lame, sarcastic cliche! :lol:
You are dumb. And not funny
Feeling a little angst laden tonight??
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Yeah we're all very insecure and bitter about the way that this year has turned out. Trips to the Orange Bowl, Big 12 titles, and #1 seeds in the NCAA Tournament tend to do that to a fanbase.
:jerkoff:
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Yeah we're all very insecure and bitter about the way that this year has turned out. Trips to the Orange Bowl, Big 12 titles, and #1 seeds in the NCAA Tournament tend to do that to a fanbase.
:jerkoff:
You're so "secure" about that, that you come to a K-State board and say it over and over again.
Sad . . . :-[
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I can't wait for this starting lineup for the Kansas Jayhawks:
G - Sherron Collins
G - Tyrel Reed
G/F - Travis Releford
F - #1 Morris twin
C - Cole Aldrich
Bench: #2 Morris twin, Mario "Blake Young" Little, a bunch of white retards.
:lol: :lol: That's going to be hilarious.
BTW, i don't really care if this will be the exact starting lineup or not. The point is you're going to kind of suck.
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Those in glass houses....
:ksu:
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Hawkish that one just never gets old . . . damn that's funny. :lol:
You just tried to make fun of someone using a lame, sarcastic cliche! :lol:
You are dumb. And not funny
Feeling a little angst laden tonight??
maybe a little...you?
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No.
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G - Sherron Collins
G - Tyrel Reed
G/F - Travis Releford
F - #1 Morris twin
C - Cole Aldrich
can you imagine what sadler will do to that group? they won't break 40.
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next year ku will be better at football than they are at basketball. Neither of which will be very good.
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next year ku will be better at football than they are at basketball. Neither of which will be very good.
Says the POWERCAT fan. :lol:
dax- I don't believe you. You silly guy.
:lick:
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I can't wait for this starting lineup for the Kansas Jayhawks:
G - Sherron Collins
G - Tyrel Reed
G/F - Travis Releford
F - #1 Morris twin
C - Cole Aldrich
Bench: #2 Morris twin, Mario "Blake Young" Little, a bunch of white retards.
:lol: :lol: That's going to be hilarious.
BTW, i don't really care if this will be the exact starting lineup or not. The point is you're going to kind of suck.
ku fan here.
First, I think Chalmers is coming back, so that would move Releford to the bench. But, in any event, there's certainly going to be a heck of a drop off next year. Now, whether we suck depends on what you mean by suck. If you mean, bottom half of the conference and missing the tourney, I think that's wrong.
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next year ku will be better at football than they are at basketball. Neither of which will be very good.
Meanwhile, in the present, ku is much better than the Wildcats in both.
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It seems like you care more than you should.
Aqib f-ing Talib. Where did that guy come from?
Somehow travelled from your nightmares to assume a tangible human form...all Elm Street style?
:cheers:
So that's why Jordy ran away from him so fast...
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I can't wait for this starting lineup for the Kansas Jayhawks:
G - Sherron Collins
G - Tyrel Reed
G/F - Travis Releford
F - #1 Morris twin
C - Cole Aldrich
Bench: #2 Morris twin, Mario "Blake Young" Little, a bunch of white retards.
:lol: :lol: That's going to be hilarious.
BTW, i don't really care if this will be the exact starting lineup or not. The point is you're going to kind of suck.
The lineup could very well look like this also:
PG - Collins
SG - Chalmers
SF - Little
PF - Arthur
C - Aldrich
Bench: Appleton, Morris twins, Q. Thomas, Reed, Releford
Arthur is likely to go pro, but it's no guarantee. Chalmers could go test the NBA waters, but I'm not sure he'd be a guaranteed 1st round pick. If he comes back next year Kansas will be one of the favorites again to win the Big 12.
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Those in glass houses....
:ksu:
Kind of, but we'll improve at that at 1-3 (4 if Walker/Hoskins are avail) versus sucking at 2-5.
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I can't wait for this starting lineup for the Kansas Jayhawks:
G - Sherron Collins
G - Tyrel Reed
G/F - Travis Releford
F - #1 Morris twin
C - Cole Aldrich
Bench: #2 Morris twin, Mario "Blake Young" Little, a bunch of white retards.
:lol: :lol: That's going to be hilarious.
BTW, i don't really care if this will be the exact starting lineup or not. The point is you're going to kind of suck.
Arthur is likely to go pro, but it's no guarantee. Chalmers could go test the NBA waters, but I'm not sure he'd be a guaranteed 1st round pick. If he comes back next year Kansas will be one of the favorites again to win the Big 12.
Sorry, I forgot that no one gets any better under Bill Self.
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No way Arthur comes back.
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I can't wait for this starting lineup for the Kansas Jayhawks:
G - Sherron Collins
G - Tyrel Reed
G/F - Travis Releford
F - #1 Morris twin
C - Cole Aldrich
Bench: #2 Morris twin, Mario "Blake Young" Little, a bunch of white retards.
:lol: :lol: That's going to be hilarious.
BTW, i don't really care if this will be the exact starting lineup or not. The point is you're going to kind of suck.
Watched Mario Little on Tuesday night at the NJCAA tourney against Seward County. Very lazy and very overrated.
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I can't wait for this starting lineup for the Kansas Jayhawks:
G - Sherron Collins
G - Tyrel Reed
G/F - Travis Releford
F - #1 Morris twin
C - Cole Aldrich
Bench: #2 Morris twin, Mario "Blake Young" Little, a bunch of white retards.
:lol: :lol: That's going to be hilarious.
BTW, i don't really care if this will be the exact starting lineup or not. The point is you're going to kind of suck.
Arthur is likely to go pro, but it's no guarantee. Chalmers could go test the NBA waters, but I'm not sure he'd be a guaranteed 1st round pick. If he comes back next year Kansas will be one of the favorites again to win the Big 12.
Sorry, I forgot that no one gets any better under Bill Self.
Just a moronic statement. Darnell Jackson was arguably the most improved player in the Big 12 this season.
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I can't wait for this starting lineup for the Kansas Jayhawks:
G - Sherron Collins
G - Tyrel Reed
G/F - Travis Releford
F - #1 Morris twin
C - Cole Aldrich
Bench: #2 Morris twin, Mario "Blake Young" Little, a bunch of white retards.
:lol: :lol: That's going to be hilarious.
BTW, i don't really care if this will be the exact starting lineup or not. The point is you're going to kind of suck.
Arthur is likely to go pro, but it's no guarantee. Chalmers could go test the NBA waters, but I'm not sure he'd be a guaranteed 1st round pick. If he comes back next year Kansas will be one of the favorites again to win the Big 12.
Sorry, I forgot that no one gets any better under Bill Self.
Just a moronic statement. Darnell Jackson was arguably the most improved player in the Big 12 this season.
LOL. Is he that much better this year, or is it that he plays way more minutes than he ever had in the past? He played 15 minutes last year, averaged 6 points, 5 boards per game. This year he plays 25 minutes per game and averages 11.5 points and 6.5 boards.
Going by the numbers, had D-Jack played 25 minutes last year he would have averaged 8.5 points and 7 boards per game. This shows us that while his scoring has increased very slightly from last year, his rebounding numbers have actually been worse per minutes played. And oh yeah, despite the drastic increase in minutes his average blocks per game have actually decreased from last year.
Extremely LBBIQ "most improved player" statement from Peter.
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Are you that blinded by your purple hatred? Get a clue.
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Sure, he's improved. But "most improved player in the Big XII" is just sillyness.
Nice rebuttal BTW.
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Sure, he's improved. But "most improved player in the Big XII" is just sillyness.
Nice rebuttal BTW.
I will admit that Jackson was a better player this year than last. But, by that rational, wasn't the vast majority of returning college basketball players better this year than last? Self continues to stunt the growth of his NBA caliber players, why else would Collins/Chalmers/Arthur even considering returning next season? Because they have all somehow downgraded their NBA stock the since minute they announced their intention to attend the Universiy of Kansas. At least at KSU our one and dones are still good enough to be one and dones after they have played for us.
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Nate on 810 was saying this morning that Sherron bumped his knee again yesterday. I guess Sherron is not healthy. I'll have to see what the Phog says.
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Nate on 810 was saying this morning that Sherron bumped his knee again yesterday. I guess Sherron is not healthy. I'll have to see what the Phog says.
Injuries happen. Sherron will still play, but he won't be 100%. Not sure why that's so difficult for K-State fans to comprehend.
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Nate on 810 was saying this morning that Sherron bumped his knee again yesterday. I guess Sherron is not healthy. I'll have to see what the Phog says.
Injuries happen. Sherron will still play, but he won't be 100%. Not sure why that's so difficult for K-State fans to comprehend.
You guys setting up the early exit excuses?
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No, just pointing out how dumb your fanbase has become.
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The "early exit" talking point is so retarded. Kansas has the 5th-most tournament wins and final fours all-time. Only FOUR teams have done better in the tournament, and K-State sure as hell isn't one of them.
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Fat azz is never going to be "healthy," which in this case really means consistent.
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Sure, he's improved. But "most improved player in the Big XII" is just sillyness.
Nice rebuttal BTW.
I will admit that Jackson was a better player this year than last. But, by that rational, wasn't the vast majority of returning college basketball players better this year than last? Self continues to stunt the growth of his NBA caliber players, why else would Collins/Chalmers/Arthur even considering returning next season? Because they have all somehow downgraded their NBA stock the since minute they announced their intention to attend the Universiy of Kansas. At least at KSU our one and dones are still good enough to be one and dones after they have played for us.
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And with that, Self could be the smartest man to have ever coached.
:D
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The talking point that "Self doesn't develop players" is another myth that K-State fans have perpetuated. Kevin Kietzman was just talking yesterday about the improvement of Kaun and Jackson, specifically, and how they were the key to Kansas' success this season. That's why I like Kietzman... even as a K-State fan he can see things for what they are. I don't hear people bagging on Roy Williams for developing players, yet Hansbrough/Ellington/Green/Lawson all had NBA potential coming into UNC.
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The "early exit" talking point is so retarded. Kansas has the 5th-most tournament wins and final fours all-time. Only FOUR teams have done better in the tournament, and K-State sure as hell isn't one of them.
None of that has anything to do with the early exits that ku fans have experienced the last few years.
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Kansas was in the Elite Eight last year.
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The talking point that "Self doesn't develop players" is another myth that K-State fans have perpetuated. Kevin Kietzman was just talking yesterday about the improvement of Kaun and Jackson, specifically, and how they were the key to Kansas' success this season. That's why I like Kietzman... even as a K-State fan he can see things for what they are. I don't hear people bagging on Roy Williams for developing players, yet Hansbrough/Ellington/Green/Lawson all had NBA potential coming into UNC.
It's easy to develop crapty players. It's called 80/20. Look it up.
NBA guys are more difficult, so don't take the fact that Self indeed cannot develop NBA potential as a punch to the groin. Not a whole lot of coaches can.
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80/20 has nothing to do with developing players. You have extremely low BBIQ. Probably one of those guys that just watches the game so he can have an excuse to get drunk.
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The talking point that "Self doesn't develop players" is another myth that K-State fans have perpetuated. Kevin Kietzman was just talking yesterday about the improvement of Kaun and Jackson, specifically, and how they were the key to Kansas' success this season. That's why I like Kietzman... even as a K-State fan he can see things for what they are. I don't hear people bagging on Roy Williams for developing players, yet Hansbrough/Ellington/Green/Lawson all had NBA potential coming into UNC.
Sasha Kaun averaged more points, rebounds, and steals his sophomore year than he did his junior or senior years in roughly the same amount of minutes per game. Statistically speaking, he has gotten worse since his sophomore year. What are you basing his improvement on? Intangibles? Leadership? I just don't get it.
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80/20 has nothing to do with developing players. You have extremely low BBIQ. Probably one of those guys that just watches the game so he can have an excuse to get drunk.
Jeebus you're dumb. I don't drink, and you have no understanding of human nature. Probably one of those chubby guys who's never coached any sport in his life.
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The talking point that "Self doesn't develop players" is another myth that K-State fans have perpetuated. Kevin Kietzman was just talking yesterday about the improvement of Kaun and Jackson, specifically, and how they were the key to Kansas' success this season. That's why I like Kietzman... even as a K-State fan he can see things for what they are. I don't hear people bagging on Roy Williams for developing players, yet Hansbrough/Ellington/Green/Lawson all had NBA potential coming into UNC.
Kaun's/Jackson's improvement was the key? I thought a healthy Sherron Collins was the key?
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The talking point that "Self doesn't develop players" is another myth that K-State fans have perpetuated. Kevin Kietzman was just talking yesterday about the improvement of Kaun and Jackson, specifically, and how they were the key to Kansas' success this season. That's why I like Kietzman... even as a K-State fan he can see things for what they are. I don't hear people bagging on Roy Williams for developing players, yet Hansbrough/Ellington/Green/Lawson all had NBA potential coming into UNC.
Sasha Kaun averaged more points, rebounds, and steals his sophomore year than he did his junior or senior years in roughly the same amount of minutes per game. Statistically speaking, he has gotten worse since his sophomore year. What are you basing his improvement on? Intangibles? Leadership? I just don't get it.
...and that's why you have extremely low BBIQ and/or don't watch enough Kansas basketball games. You're one of those guys that goes to espn.com and looks up stats.
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The talking point that "Self doesn't develop players" is another myth that K-State fans have perpetuated. Kevin Kietzman was just talking yesterday about the improvement of Kaun and Jackson, specifically, and how they were the key to Kansas' success this season. That's why I like Kietzman... even as a K-State fan he can see things for what they are. I don't hear people bagging on Roy Williams for developing players, yet Hansbrough/Ellington/Green/Lawson all had NBA potential coming into UNC.
Kaun's/Jackson's improvement was the key? I thought a healthy Sherron Collins was the key?
Don't ask me... ask Kietzman.
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Ahh, it's the suckass-t argument, the intangibles. Substance is not your strong point.
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The "Kaun has improved" argument is stupid. The guy was as raw as possible and had played little basketball and had played against zero quality competition. He was going to get better because he came from next to nothing.
If you honestly think that Jackson has improved more than Augustin you're a fool.
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You're talking about how Kaun and Jackson have improved under Self. I'm just asking , if not statistically, in what way have they improved. If you don't know that's ok.
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Kevin Kietzman is the one who pointed out how much Kaun and Jackson have improved this season. If you can't see that improvement, you're simply in denial. Kaun is much more polished, more comfortable on the court, has developed some solid post moves, and is just more of a complete player at this level. Jackson is arguably the most improved player in the Big 12. He's earned an NBA paycheck this year.
Only the most biased of K-State fans would deny that.
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No, just pointing out how dumb your fanbase has become.
Dumb? Why don't you answer fatty then? When has Sherron been healthy and when has he not been healthy? I thought the general consensus was that entering this tournament he was healthy. Now, he's "bumped" his knee and he's not healthy. Face it, if ku bows out early all we'll hear is how nice it would be if Sherron would get healthy because ku is such a different team when he's healthy. So, when has he been healthy? When has ku been a "different" team with a healthy Sherron?
Does this comment by you mean he was healthy at the end of the season this year?
A 70% Sherron can still play, but he's not the same player we saw at the end of the season.
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OK, you gave me Kaun. He's more comfortable. Has Jackson's "comfort level" also improved?
I guess my only question would be why wouldn't an increased comfort level, and more polished post moves result in more points or rebounds? I guess we'll never know.
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I already said that he started to show signs of being 100% against K-State in Allen Fieldhouse. During this stretch, he was named Big 12 Co-Player of the Week along with Michael Beasley. You guys just don't follow Kansas basketball that closely... I don't expect you to understand the difference between a healthy Sherron and an 80% Sherron.
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OK, you gave me Kaun. He's more comfortable. Has Jackson's "comfort level" also improved?
I guess my only question would be why wouldn't an increased comfort level, and more polished post moves result in more points or rebounds? I guess we'll never know.
Because he plays for Kansas... a team with a lot of balance. Kaun isn't the focal point of the offense.
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Was he his sophomore year?
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Was he his sophomore year?
No, but he did start and average more minutes per game. Once again, you're simply relying on espn.com stats to make your entire argument. I've seen Sasha Kaun over his four year career and he's a much better player now than he was his first three years. He's a more complete player. Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.
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I already said that he started to show signs of being 100% against K-State in Allen Fieldhouse. During this stretch, he was named Big 12 Co-Player of the Week along with Michael Beasley. You guys just don't follow Kansas basketball that closely... I don't expect you to understand the difference between a healthy Sherron and an 80% Sherron.
How can we understand the difference when ku fans change his health status every day?
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Was he his sophomore year?
Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.
So it was Danny Manning and not Self? Figures.
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Was he his sophomore year?
No, but he did start and average more minutes per game. Once again, you're simply relying on espn.com stats to make your entire argument. I've seen Sasha Kaun over his four year career and he's a much better player now than he was his first three years. He's a more complete player. Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.
I guess we'll have to take your word for it.
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I already said that he started to show signs of being 100% against K-State in Allen Fieldhouse. During this stretch, he was named Big 12 Co-Player of the Week along with Michael Beasley. You guys just don't follow Kansas basketball that closely... I don't expect you to understand the difference between a healthy Sherron and an 80% Sherron.
How can we understand the difference when ku fans change his health status every day?
So Kansas fans bruised his knee? Are we also responsible for Rush tearing his ACL?
Was he his sophomore year?
Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.
So it was Danny Manning and not Self? Figures.
Yeah, believe it or not, there's an entire coaching staff here at Kansas.
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Was he his sophomore year?
No, but he did start and average more minutes per game. Once again, you're simply relying on espn.com stats to make your entire argument. I've seen Sasha Kaun over his four year career and he's a much better player now than he was his first three years. He's a more complete player. Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.
I guess we'll have to take your word for it.
That's the thing... it's not just me. Kevin Kietzman, among others, has noticed the same improvement. I guess you're just in denial or blinded by your purple bias.
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My inside sources tell me Walker's been injured since the ku game @ the bram, he finally got healthy after the A&M game.
Problem is he re'injured himself last night, so K'state will be in a hole from the tip.
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I already said that he started to show signs of being 100% against K-State in Allen Fieldhouse. During this stretch, he was named Big 12 Co-Player of the Week along with Michael Beasley. You guys just don't follow Kansas basketball that closely... I don't expect you to understand the difference between a healthy Sherron and an 80% Sherron.
How can we understand the difference when ku fans change his health status every day?
So Kansas fans bruised his knee? Are we also responsible for Rush tearing his ACL?
Could you please list the ku schedule and give us a "yay" or "nay" on whether Sherron was healthy for that game. Thanks.
Was he his sophomore year?
Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.
So it was Danny Manning and not Self? Figures.
Yeah, believe it or not, there's an entire coaching staff here at Kansas.
That's obvious. Self couldn't develop anybody in order to choke in the tournament without that staff.
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Was he his sophomore year?
No, but he did start and average more minutes per game. Once again, you're simply relying on espn.com stats to make your entire argument. I've seen Sasha Kaun over his four year career and he's a much better player now than he was his first three years. He's a more complete player. Danny Manning has really done wonders for his post game.
I guess we'll have to take your word for it.
That's the thing... it's not just me. Kevin Kietzman, among others, has noticed the same improvement. I guess you're just in denial or blinded by your purple bias.
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I have no idea what the hell Javacat is trying to say, and catdude is just an idiot. Maybe you guys can learn something from Kevin Kietzman and learn to set your purple bias aside every once in a while. There's not a single person in the country who wouldn't agree that Kaun and Jackson have improved.... except for the irrational K-State fan.
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LOL @ irrational, let us rewind:
Irrational: Using statistical facts to form a performance based argument.
Rational: Using opinion based adjectives to refute a statistically based factual argument.
Stupid: You.
Just awesome.
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Statistical facts show that Jackson's performance has improved, whether you like it or not. My very own eyes can see that Sasha Kaun is a more complete player. Crazy how everyone agrees except for a few dumbass K-State fans. Even Kevin Kietzman has seen the light.
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Kevin Kietzman, among others, has noticed the same improvement.
Maybe you guys can learn something from Kevin Kietzman and learn to set your purple bias aside every once in a while.
Even Kevin Kietzman has seen the light.
Soooo now Kietzman is the end all be all of sports analysts because you believe he's somehow not biased?
You are just too smart for us. Obivously Kevin is a sporting god. I will personally try to be more like him in every way.
All thanks to you.
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Statistical facts show that Jackson's performance has improved, whether you like it or not. My very own eyes can see that Sasha Kaun is a more complete player. Crazy how everyone agrees except for a few dumbass K-State fans. Even Kevin Kietzman has seen the light.
If only we had an unbiased, objective numerical measure of how many points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and FG% Kaun had in his Sophomore year and this year. Then, we could compare them side by side and see when he performed better to see if there was a large jump in per minute performance.
Oh well, until then we will have to rely on eye witness accounts and speculative opinions of biased fans and talk radio hosts.
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Kevin Kietzman, among others, has noticed the same improvement.
Maybe you guys can learn something from Kevin Kietzman and learn to set your purple bias aside every once in a while.
Even Kevin Kietzman has seen the light.
Soooo now Kietzman is the end all be all of sports analysts because you believe he's somehow not biased?
You are just too smart for us. Obivously Kevin is a sporting god. I will personally try to be more like him in every way.
All thanks to you.
I'm just pointing out that not all K-State fans are blinded by their hatred towards ku. If you can't see that Kaun and Jackson have improved and have been key players for a #1-seed Big 12 title team, then I'm not sure what it would take for you to take off the purple-tinted glasses.
Statistical facts show that Jackson's performance has improved, whether you like it or not. My very own eyes can see that Sasha Kaun is a more complete player. Crazy how everyone agrees except for a few dumbass K-State fans. Even Kevin Kietzman has seen the light.
If only we had an unbiased, objective numerical measure of how many points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and FG% Kaun had in his Sophomore year and this year. Then, we could compare them side by side and see when he performed better to see if there was a large jump in per minute performance.
Oh well, until then we will have to rely on eye witness accounts and speculative opinions of biased fans and talk radio hosts.
Yeah, if only people would base their opinions on players solely off of espn.com statistical "analysis," and never actually watch the games... then, and only then, would we really know whether or not a player had improved.
Kaun started his sophomore year, average more minutes, and was surrounded by CJ Giles, Christian Moody, and a freshman Julian Wright. Big difference compared to the talent that Kansas has now. Player improvement isn't just indicated by statistics. Kaun is a better player on the court because he's more experienced and has finally grasped the mental aspect of the game. He's not a trainwreck every time he gets the ball like he used to be. He has developed some nice post moves with the help of Coach Manning. Kaun is a much more complete player at this stage in his career. The picks and the little things he does within the offense usually go unnoticed by spectators with low BBIQ.
Kansas has so much balance with guys like Chalmers, Rush, Arthur, Jackson, Collins, and Robinson that it's unreasonable to base Kaun or anyone else's improvement as a basketball player soley on stats. If you want to act like a hard ass and pretend that Kaun and Jackson haven't improved during their years here at Kansas, then go ahead. Be my guest.
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You have a total hard on for espn.com. Why?
You really should share your basketball guruship with more people. Have you ever talked to NBA teams about scouting?
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I'm not sure what it would take for you to take off the purple-tinted glasses.
Oh I don't know, some sort of factual reference.
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I have no idea what the hell Javacat is trying to say, and catdude is just an idiot.
Yeah, judging how much a player has improved based on measurable statistical categories rather than what a retard radio show host thinks. Complete idiocy.
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Yes, relying solely on stats instead of actually watching the on-court improvement from year-to-year is the way to go. The statistics for Team A are always relevant to the statistics for Team B. Nevermind that Kaun's field goal percentage is 61% (highest in his career) or that his role isn't to score points.
You people are sh*t-caked in denial.
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You people are sh*t-caked in denial.
I'm going to need to see some sort of stat on that please.
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Yes, relying solely on stats instead of actually watching the on-court improvement from year-to-year is the way to go. The statistics for Team A are always relevant to the statistics for Team B. Nevermind that Kaun's field goal percentage is 61% (highest in his career) or that his role isn't to score points.
You people are sh*t-caked in denial.
You had better not gotten that stat off of espn.com or :chainsaw:
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You people are sh*t-caked in denial.
I'm going to need to see some sort of stat on that please.
Is there a link on ESPN? I've been there all day and don't want to look anywhere else.
:blindfold:
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:billypopcorn:
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You people are sh*t-caked in denial.
I'm going to need to see some sort of stat on that please.
Is there a link on ESPN? I've been there all day and don't want to look anywhere else.
:blindfold:
I get all my stats and analysis from there. I filled out my brackets based on the Sportsgal's.
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You people are sh*t-caked in denial.
I'm going to need to see some sort of stat on that please.
Is there a link on ESPN? I've been there all day and don't want to look anywhere else.
:blindfold:
I get all my stats and analysis from there. I filled out my brackets based on the Sportsgal's.
Specifically, I'm looking for the sh*t caked denial stats regarding ku.
Thanks.
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Okay, I finally got over to the Phog to find out if Sherron was healthy or not. The title of the thread is "So Sherron is indeed hurt again." The verdict appears to be that it isn't serious, but "who knows". Self says that it isn't a bad injury, but the game came too soon for Sherron to be 100%. I can only imagine what ku would've done to Portland State if he was 100%. :ohno: Props to those ku fans that know the difference in a ku team with a healthy Sherron and an unhealthy Sherron. How they ever know whether he is healthy or not is beyond me though.
Hey 'Nips, let's hope he's 100% tomorrow. I hate those bruised knees that last over a month and are 100% one day and then you bump it and it's no longer 100%. However, in a few short days it's 100% again. You'd think a guy that had so many problems with his knees would wear knee pads in practice so he wouldn't lose his 100% health rating when he bumped them. Maybe Danny Manning will inform Bill Self of this.
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Okay, I finally got over to the Phog to find out if Sherron was healthy or not. The title of the thread is "So Sherron is indeed hurt again." The verdict appears to be that it isn't serious, but "who knows". Self says that it isn't a bad injury, but the game came too soon for Sherron to be 100%. I can only imagine what ku would've done to Portland State if he was 100%. :ohno: Props to those ku fans that know the difference in a ku team with a healthy Sherron and an unhealthy Sherron. How they ever know whether he is healthy or not is beyond me though.
Hey 'Nips, let's hope he's 100% tomorrow. I hate those bruised knees that last over a month and are 100% one day and then you bump it and it's no longer 100%. However, in a few short days it's 100% again. You'd think a guy that had so many problems with his knees would wear knee pads in practice so he wouldn't lose his 100% health rating when he bumped them. Maybe Danny Manning will inform Bill Self of this.
I'm no NBA scout like Peterpuffy but I would think that a guy made of china like Collins would be a bad pick. Yet another player to drop NBA draft position just by signing with ku.
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Okay, I finally got over to the Phog to find out if Sherron was healthy or not. The title of the thread is "So Sherron is indeed hurt again." The verdict appears to be that it isn't serious, but "who knows". Self says that it isn't a bad injury, but the game came too soon for Sherron to be 100%. I can only imagine what ku would've done to Portland State if he was 100%. :ohno: Props to those ku fans that know the difference in a ku team with a healthy Sherron and an unhealthy Sherron. How they ever know whether he is healthy or not is beyond me though.
Hey 'Nips, let's hope he's 100% tomorrow. I hate those bruised knees that last over a month and are 100% one day and then you bump it and it's no longer 100%. However, in a few short days it's 100% again. You'd think a guy that had so many problems with his knees would wear knee pads in practice so he wouldn't lose his 100% health rating when he bumped them. Maybe Danny Manning will inform Bill Self of this.
I'm no NBA scout like Peterpuffy but I would think that a fat, chunky, heavyset, portly, rotund and obese guy made of china like Collins would be a bad pick. Yet another player to drop NBA draft position just by signing with ku.
FYP
In the immortal words (sort of) of Harry Carey: "If Sherron Collins was a hotdog, he would eat himself. With mustard and relish."
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Tough crowd here.
I do not claim to have a high BBIQ by any means, but since I work in, and live near, Melbourne, FL, where Kahn learned BB, I have a special interest in him. He has certainly improved, regardless of what the stats may or may not show (we all know that stats can be manipulated to prove anything). What I do know is that my incidence rate of yelling "Kahn, you idiot" at the TV has been much lower this season than last. He still does some dumb things, but not anywhere near like he used to. There are no stats for confidence and ball handling (TOs are an indirect indication of ball handing only), but there is no doubt he has improved in several intangible areas. You can argue he might have improved even more with FM as his head coach than BS, but that is all mere specualation.
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Tough crowd here.
I do not claim to have a high BBIQ by any means, but since I work in, and live near, Melbourne, FL, where Kahn learned BB, I have a special interest in him. He has certainly improved, regardless of what the stats may or may not show (we all know that stats can be manipulated to prove anything). What I do know is that my incidence rate of yelling "Kahn, you idiot" at the TV has been much lower this season than last. He still does some dumb things, but not anywhere near like he used to. There are no stats for confidence and ball handling (TOs are an indirect indication of ball handing only), but there is no doubt he has improved in several intangible areas. You can argue he might have improved even more with FM as his head coach than BS, but that is all mere specualation.
See, that is a stat. The rate of "Kaun, you idiot" (or "KYA's) can be measured. So say he is down to 4 KYA's this year versus 6 in his sophomore season. You can measure that. Good to see you agree with us.
I have a similar stat..."Goddammit Clents" (GCs) are for when our starting guard gets his pocket picked or throws an entry pass to the other team. They are up this year.
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Tough crowd here.
I do not claim to have a high BBIQ by any means, but since I work in, and live near, Melbourne, FL, where Kahn learned BB, I have a special interest in him. He has certainly improved, regardless of what the stats may or may not show (we all know that stats can be manipulated to prove anything). What I do know is that my incidence rate of yelling "Kahn, you idiot" at the TV has been much lower this season than last. He still does some dumb things, but not anywhere near like he used to. There are no stats for confidence and ball handling (TOs are an indirect indication of ball handing only), but there is no doubt he has improved in several intangible areas. You can argue he might have improved even more with FM as his head coach than BS, but that is all mere specualation.
See, that is a stat. The rate of "Kaun, you idiot" (or "KYA's) can be measured. So say he is down to 4 KYA's this year versus 6 in his sophomore season. You can measure that. Good to see you agree with us.
I have a similar stat..."Goddammit Clents" (GCs) are for when our starting guard gets his pocket picked or throws an entry pass to the other team. They are up this year.
Limestone- I also track GCs. They are without a doubt up this year.
Back when John Mcgraw played fball we used to keep track of YAMs (Yards After Mcgraw).
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Tough crowd here.
I do not claim to have a high BBIQ by any means, but since I work in, and live near, Melbourne, FL, where Kahn learned BB, I have a special interest in him. He has certainly improved, regardless of what the stats may or may not show (we all know that stats can be manipulated to prove anything). What I do know is that my incidence rate of yelling "Kahn, you idiot" at the TV has been much lower this season than last. He still does some dumb things, but not anywhere near like he used to. There are no stats for confidence and ball handling (TOs are an indirect indication of ball handing only), but there is no doubt he has improved in several intangible areas. You can argue he might have improved even more with FM as his head coach than BS, but that is all mere specualation.
See, that is a stat. The rate of "Kaun, you idiot" (or "KYA's) can be measured. So say he is down to 4 KYA's this year versus 6 in his sophomore season. You can measure that. Good to see you agree with us.
I have a similar stat..."Goddammit Clents" (GCs) are for when our starting guard gets his pocket picked or throws an entry pass to the other team. They are up this year.
Limestone- I also track GCs. They are without a doubt up this year.
Back when John Mcgraw played fball we used to keep track of YAMs (Yards After Mcgraw).
I remember YAMS. This year I kept a close eye on "where is he going?" (WIHG) for tracking Smoke Patterson's play.