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Title: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 11:33:07 AM
Wondering if this is the second most-repeated comment about Kansas — and why is 'cardinal' included in that list??

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It’s a tournament where there is a team from Manhattan, Kan., but not Manhattan, N.Y. – the Little Apple one upping the Big Apple. Where terms such as Hoyas, Tar Heels and Hoosiers make sense and it’s great to be a Boilermaker, a Sooner or a Cardinal.

full story at link (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug=dw-amtourney031708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: sys on March 18, 2008, 11:37:46 AM
why is 'cardinal' included in that list??

why wouldn't it be???  racist?
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 11:41:13 AM

why wouldn't it be???  racist?

The other mascots are unique ... but cardinal, not so much.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: sys on March 18, 2008, 11:42:14 AM
The other mascots are unique ... but cardinal, not so much.

there's only one cardinal.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 11:46:54 AM

there's only one cardinal.
This could be Ball State or even Iowa State (if you didn't know who was actually in). I would have picked something unique like Torero.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: feralchat on March 18, 2008, 11:48:48 AM
Where terms such as Hoyas, Tar Heels and Hoosiers make sense and it’s great to be a Boilermaker, a Sooner or a Cardinal.


That sentence doesn't make sense. Is the Little Apple where those teams make sense? To avoid confusion from the previous sentence's context, where (not a good preposition at any rate) probably should be although. Should there be a question mark at the end of the sentence, meaning the first four teams make sense but the last two don't. But it really reads as though the whole sentence is a introductory clause to something else, such as " . . . or a Cardinal, being a Jayhawk is just gay."
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: sys on March 18, 2008, 11:55:34 AM
This could be Ball State or even Iowa State (if you didn't know who was actually in). I would have picked something unique like Torero.

ball state cardinals
iowa state cyclones
stanford cardinal

they're all different.


i thought you'd turned a corner with the road/home analysis post.  joke's on me i guess.

 :flush:
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2008, 12:00:13 PM
i thought you'd turned a corner with the road/home analysis post.  joke's on me i guess.

 :flush:

LOL at sys jumping the gun  :lol:
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 12:03:41 PM

ball state cardinals
iowa state cyclones
stanford cardinal

they're all different.
What's the mascot at Louisville??


i thought you'd turned a corner with the road/home analysis post.  joke's on me i guess.
That's easy enough, but has nothing to do with this thread.

Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 12:04:50 PM
LOL at sys jumping the gun  :lol:
Do you ever make posts about the thread topics??
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: sys on March 18, 2008, 12:19:35 PM
LOL at sys jumping the gun  :lol:

 :mad:
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 01:33:37 PM

 :mad:

Does this mean you're punting the question about the Louisville mascot??
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksu_FAN on March 18, 2008, 01:34:54 PM
A team whose mascot is its color and who represents itself with a pine tree seems pretty unique to me.

Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2008, 01:35:47 PM
A team whose mascot is its color and who represents itself with a pine tree seems pretty unique to me.

Doesn't get much more unique than that. 
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 01:37:49 PM
A team whose mascot is its color and who represents itself with a pine tree seems pretty unique to me.



Iowa State's mascot is Cy the Cardinal (after the school color). As for the pine tree, I didn't see pine tree on the list. Did you???
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2008, 01:40:59 PM
(http://www.educ.uidaho.edu/center_for_ethics/athletes%20of%20character/Cyclone.jpg)

It's a bird in a tornado.  Lame.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: Kat Kid on March 18, 2008, 01:43:58 PM
Just when you think ksdb brings something to the table, his douche bag personality sweeps in to ruin everything.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 01:45:23 PM

It's a bird in a tornado.  Lame.

What kind of bird, Steve??
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: sys on March 18, 2008, 01:45:53 PM
Iowa State's mascot is Cy the Cardinal (after the school color).

stanford and isu enjoy an inverse mascot/nickname relationship.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 01:46:33 PM


stanford and isu enjoy an inverse mascot/nickname relationship.

That's nice, but you didn't answer the question about Louisville yet. Hop to.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: LimestoneOutcropping on March 18, 2008, 01:47:09 PM
A team whose mascot is its color and who represents itself with a pine tree seems pretty unique to me.

Doesn't get much more unique than that. 

Or lame.

the stanford cardinal is lamer than St. Patrick's day falling on a rainy Monday.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2008, 01:49:02 PM
My God ksdb  :flush:
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 01:51:04 PM
My God ksdb 

Are you going to answer the Louisville mascot question? Sys seems to think it's a 'duck.'
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 01:55:10 PM
Should have known: sys and steve = low mascot IQ
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: sys on March 18, 2008, 01:56:30 PM
Are you going to answer the Louisville mascot question? Sys seems to think it's a 'duck.'

capitalizing my ksufans.com name is infuriating.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 01:57:58 PM

capitalizing my ksufans.com name is infuriating.

You're preaching to the choir, but that's no excuse for your LMIQ.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ChiefCatchacold on March 18, 2008, 02:05:55 PM
a tournament where it's great to be a Cardinal

A complex concept worthy of a lengthy debate, for sure.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 02:07:59 PM
a tournament where it's great to be a Cardinal

A complex concept worthy of a lengthy debate, for sure.

So which school do you think it refers to??
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ChiefCatchacold on March 18, 2008, 02:09:55 PM
a tournament where it's great to be a Cardinal

A complex concept worthy of a lengthy debate, for sure.

So which school do you think it refers to??

It doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 02:12:07 PM


It doesn't matter.

I think your opinion matters or else I wouldn't have asked, so please, which school did you think it was referring to??
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: waks on March 18, 2008, 02:15:42 PM
This thread is clearly going nowhere. Change of topic...which radio broadcaster's thoughts are you guys most excited to hear? I know who my vote goes to!
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2008, 02:17:20 PM
KK of course
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ChiefCatchacold on March 18, 2008, 02:19:00 PM


It doesn't matter.

I think your opinion matters or else I wouldn't have asked, so please, which school did you think it was referring to??

Wasn't referring to my opinion.

Is it a tournament where it's great to be a Wildcat?
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 18, 2008, 02:25:55 PM
Did it look like the writer of that story was enjoying Manhattan??
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 02:30:29 PM

Wasn't referring to my opinion.
Doesn't matter, I'm still asking which school you think it referred to. Why are you so reluctant to answer??

Is it a tournament where it's great to be a Wildcat?
Sure is. Now it's your turn to answer my question.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: Chingon on March 18, 2008, 02:31:01 PM
Stanford
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 02:35:14 PM
Did it look like the writer of that story was enjoying Manhattan??
Can't tell.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 02:35:59 PM
Stanford

Very good. Now do you know the mascot for Louisville??
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: Chingon on March 18, 2008, 02:37:40 PM
Stanford

Very good. Now do you know the mascot for Louisville??
Cardinals

next question? :excited:
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 02:40:59 PM
Stanford

Very good. Now do you know the mascot for Louisville??
Cardinals

next question? :excited:

No, that makes the point for me, although Louisville has their mascot listed in a singular form here:

http://louisville.edu/about/profile.html



Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ChiefCatchacold on March 18, 2008, 02:44:30 PM
Is it a tournament where it's great to be a Wildcat?
Sure is.

why is 'cardinal' included in that list??

Is it a tournament where it's great to be a Cardinal?
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: Chingon on March 18, 2008, 02:45:01 PM
So the point was that "A Cardinal" obviously refers to Stanford, the only team with that as a nickname?

There is a difference between the mascot name and the teams nickname.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 02:55:13 PM
So the point was that "A Cardinal" obviously refers to Stanford, the only team with that as a nickname?

There is a difference between the mascot name and the teams nickname.

Reread the quoted passage in the OP. It doesn't say whether it's great to be a cardinal by nickname or a cardinal by mascot. It could apply to more than one team. The other team mentions aren't as ambiguous. I didn't realize so much of our fan base was going to be flummoxed by this very minor observation.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: steve dave on March 18, 2008, 02:58:23 PM
 :flush:
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: mjrod on March 18, 2008, 02:59:23 PM
The Stanford "Trees" sound like a marketing nightmare..

Stanford "Pines"?

Stanford "Redwoods?"

Stanford "Oaks"

Stanford "Cherry Trees?"

How about birds in the trees?

Stanford "Wood Peckers?"

Stanford "Cardinals.."

DING DING DING.. we have a winner!!

 :blindfold:
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: Chingon on March 18, 2008, 03:01:14 PM
The Stanford "Trees" sound like a marketing nightmare..

Stanford "Pines"?

Stanford "Redwoods?"

Stanford "Oaks"

Stanford "Cherry Trees?"

How about birds in the trees?

Stanford "Wood Peckers?"

Stanford "Cardinals.."

DING DING DING.. we have a winner!!

 :blindfold:

Correction:
Stanford Cardinal

Singular, refers to the color red.

Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: mjrod on March 18, 2008, 03:02:41 PM
The Stanford "Trees" sound like a marketing nightmare..

Stanford "Pines"?

Stanford "Redwoods?"

Stanford "Oaks"

Stanford "Cherry Trees?"

How about birds in the trees?

Stanford "Wood Peckers?"

Stanford "Cardinals.."

DING DING DING.. we have a winner!!

 :blindfold:

Correction:
Stanford Cardinal

Singular, refers to the color red.



Marketing guys always tweaking ...

Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 03:04:18 PM
Marketing guys always tweaking ...



This is true. Stanford has been Indians and wanted to be Griffins, among other things. Officially they have no mascot.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: mjrod on March 18, 2008, 03:15:12 PM
Imagine this..

Normal Person:  What's your school's name and mascot?

SC:  I'm a Stanford Cardinal.

NP:  Ah.. the Cardinal.. nice bird.

SC:  No, it's Red.

NP:  A Cardinal is red.

SC:  No, our mascot is Red.

NP:  Yeah, I think most cardinals are Red..

SC:  No, our mascot is the color Red as in Cardinal Red.

NP:  Cardinal Red, as in the Bird Red?

SC: Well, yes..

NP: So why not just be the Cardinal?

SC:  Our mascot is Cardinal, the color Red.

NP:  Does your mascot go to games?

SC:  Yes..

NP:  What's it look like?

SC:  Well, the Cardinal Bird..

NP:  Why would your game mascot be a bird if the real mascot is the color?

SC:  I don't really know, that's what they tell us in the indoctrination..

NP:  Isn't Stanford like, one of the top 5 academic institutions in the country?

SC:  Yeah..

NP:  And your mascot is a color, but when you go to games, the mascot is a actually a bird.

SC:  Well.. it's more to get people to understand that the bird is easier to recognize...

NP:  So that's why you put a tree in the logo?

SC:  Umm..

NP:  Nevermind.

SC:  Sorry..

NP:  So what are you taking at Stanford?

SC:  Marketing..




Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 03:21:44 PM
If they were smart at Stanford, they'd change the team name to the Tiger, then that tree mascot would actually makes sense.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: willie on March 18, 2008, 03:56:11 PM
Tiger Woods went to Stanford.

(http://lucu.cocolog-nifty.com/banyak/images/elin20nordegren2020in20bikini20sitting20on20rock.jpg)

Just Sayin'...
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: mjrod on March 18, 2008, 03:58:04 PM
Tiger Woods went to Stanford.

(http://lucu.cocolog-nifty.com/banyak/images/elin20nordegren2020in20bikini20sitting20on20rock.jpg)

Just Sayin'...

Millions of dollars will get you that kind of trophy.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 18, 2008, 05:18:53 PM
Tiger Woods went to Stanford.

Just Sayin'...


Hence my comment about changing the team name to the Tiger so that the mascot makes sense.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: willie on March 19, 2008, 07:21:40 AM
Tiger Woods went to Stanford.

Just Sayin'...


Hence my comment about changing the team name to the Tiger so that the mascot makes sense.

Yeah, but your post lacked the visual punch that my gratuitous pic of Elin provided.  Plus, you made reference to a tree, which confused and scared me.  So in summary, using visual aids;

YOUR POST:
(http://ets.berkeley.edu/Images/AboutETS/Rates/Equipment/overheadProjector.jpg)

MY POST:
(http://www.cybertheater.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/red-color-dvd-projector.jpg)

Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 21, 2008, 07:39:07 PM

there's only one cardinal.
This could be Ball State or even Iowa State (if you didn't know who was actually in). I would have picked something unique like Torero.

BUMP for saying it was good to be a Torero!
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: dr00d on March 21, 2008, 10:27:38 PM
A team whose mascot is its color and who represents itself with a pine tree seems pretty unique to me.

Doesn't get much more unique than that. 

Or lame.

the stanford cardinal is lamer than St. Patrick's day falling on a rainy Monday.

Their mascot isn't actually a cardinal, it's a christmas tree.

LBBIQ = all of you.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: dr00d on March 22, 2008, 12:02:48 AM
ha, obviously my post was before I noticed there was a second page...egg on my face.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: mjrod on March 22, 2008, 12:18:52 AM
egg on my face.

Nothing out of the norm for you.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: dr00d on March 22, 2008, 12:20:59 AM
At the end of the day, I'm still a dumb whitey.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: JTKSU on March 22, 2008, 12:27:50 AM
A team whose mascot is its color and who represents itself with a pine tree seems pretty unique to me.

Doesn't get much more unique than that. 

Or lame.

the stanford cardinal is lamer than St. Patrick's day falling on a rainy Monday.

Their mascot isn't actually a cardinal, it's a christmas tree.

LBBIQ = all of you.

It's not a X-mas tree, its a redwood.  (Unless you have some serious ass vaulted ceilings, no one I know is using a redwood for a X-mas tree.)  The redwood is the symbol for the city of Palo Alto.  And their official mascot is the color cardinal, not a bird-cardinal.  The tree is really more like an extended, long term student body joke.
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on March 22, 2008, 12:22:14 PM
A team whose mascot is its color and who represents itself with a pine tree seems pretty unique to me.

Doesn't get much more unique than that. 

At NYU the teams are called the Violets (as in the color), but since that doesn't intimidate they have a bobcat as a mascot.  This comes close to the Stanford situation, but a tree is more unique than a bobcat.

Showing off my HMIQ.  :dancin:
Title: Re: Gratuitous mention for Manhattan in tournament story
Post by: ksdb on March 22, 2008, 02:26:20 PM
The Indiana State Sycamores used to be known as the Fighting Trees and had a tree for a mascot, until they decided it needed to leave. (pun intended)