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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: michigancat on October 26, 2007, 09:25:48 AM
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http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/KansasState.htm
1999.
I was worried it would be 98.
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http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/KansasState.htm
1999.
I was worried it would be 98.
Yes, but KSU did not go 7-0 under Snyder UNTIL 1998. Mangino is way ahead of the curve.
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Only went 7-0 twice.
:eek:
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Ironically, between the '98 and '99 years , all we had to show for was one North Division championship and one bowl game win.
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Because we start off ever fracking year on the road in Big 12. Seriously, wtf dude? :angry:
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Only went 7-0 twice.
:eek:
The thing that scares me the most about ku's run this year is that they will have almost everyone back next year. They have achieved a very Snyder-esque reloading status with sure things coming back year after year. In contrast, KSU is in a "patch together a so-so team status" year after year with jucos, diamonds in the rough, and possible non-qualifiers. Not a good trend.
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Only went 7-0 twice.
:eek:
The thing that scares me the most about ku's run this year is that they will have almost everyone back next year. They have achieved a very Snyder-esque reloading status with sure things coming back year after year. In contrast, KSU is in a "patch together a so-so team status" year after year with jucos, diamonds in the rough, and possible non-qualifiers. Not a good trend.
Dude, it's Prince's 2nd year on the job.
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I can't tell when JS is serious any more, (if he ever is).
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I can't tell when JS is serious any more, (if he ever is).
he's part of the ku inferiority ksu fans. (zacker, cire)
just garbage posters imo.
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The thing I am enjoying is the comparisons to Snyder are once again the big talk of Squawkville.
10 years prior to Mangino ku won 54 games, in the 10 years prior to Snyder, KSU won 23 games.
What a god Lsnyder was.
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How many times did we play 6 of the first 7 in the state of Kansas?
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How many times did we play 6 of the first 7 in the state of Kansas?
err...2000
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Because we start off ever fracking year on the road in Big 12. Seriously, wtf dude? :angry:
Remind me where ku opened up Big XII play this year...
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I can't tell when JS is serious any more, (if he ever is).
he's part of the ku inferiority ksu fans. (zacker, cire)
just garbage posters imo.
Come on dude. Garbage poster? That's a little harsh. I don't have an inferiority complex about ku. That's why I'm able to discuss the facts without ignoring the reality of the situation. I suppose I could just pump purple sunshine all day, but that's just not my style. I'm a realist. Here is reality:
KSU is losing:
No Name Pos Yr Ex Meas
2 Marcus Watts DB Sr. 4V 6-1/191
3 Bryan Baldwin DB Sr. 4V 5-10/190
6 Byron Garvin DB Sr. 4V 5-10/180
8 James Johnson RB Sr. 2V 5-11/200
17 Tim Reyer P Sr. 4V 5-11/208
21 Cole Brokenicky K Sr. SQ 5-10/197
22 Justin McKinney CB Sr. 3V 5-9/185
25 Toney Coleman WR Sr. 4V 6-1/193
26 Terry Petrie RB Sr. 2V 5-8/183
26 Tim Schwerdt K Sr. 3V 5-8/174
27 Jordy Nelson WR Sr. 4V 6-2/213
33 Greg Gaskins LB Sr. 4V 6-0/219
35 Heath Alexander WR Sr. 2V 5-11/190
37 Marcus Perry LB Sr. 4V 6-1/225
41 Steve Mathias LB Sr. 2V 6-0/222
51 Justin Roland LB Sr. 2V 6-0/245
65 Logan Robinson OL Sr. 4V 6-8/338
82 Michael Pooschke TE Sr. 2V 6-3/245
83 Daniel Gonzalez WR Sr. 2V 6-3/216
89 Rashaad Norwood TE Sr. 4V 6-3/229
91 Clayton Cox DT Sr. SQ 6-3/238
95 Rob Jackson DE Sr. 2V 6-3/265
96 Moses Manu DE Sr. 2V 6-2/258
99 Steven Cline DL Sr. 4V 6-1/291
ku is losing:
No Name Pos Yr Ex Meas
4 Gary Green CB Sr. 2V 5-9/175
15 Kyle Tucker P Sr. 3V 6-2/210
19 Brian Seymour S Sr. 2V 6-1/190
27 Sadiq Muhammed S Sr. 2V 6-0/190
35 Brandon McAnderson FB Sr. 3V 6-0/235
39 Scott Webb K Sr. 3V 5-11/180
49 Derek Spears TE Sr. 2V 6-3/215
65 Cesar Rodriguez OT Sr. 3V 6-7/290
67 Rameses Arceo OG Sr. SQ 6-4/300
75 Marcus Anderson DT Sr. 1V 6-4/290
82 Jeff Foster WR Sr. 2V 6-2/195
83 Marc Jones TE Sr. JC 6-4/250
85 Derek Fine TE Sr. 3V 6-3/245
86 Marcus Henry WR Sr. 3V 6-4/210
93 James McClinton DT Sr. 3V 6-1/285
Now, which group of departing players has had a bigger impact on their respective team's success this year? I'm not saying that KSU won't fill the losses effectively, but you have to admit that it is an uphill climb for us at least in the near term.
I realize that Prince is in year 2. I have no problem with Prince. He is re-building a recruiting base and program that, quite frankly, Bill Snyder allowed to deteriorate to unacceptable levels. Bill Snyder and his inept staff are a big part of the potential problems we are currently looking at in year 3 of the Prince era.
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How many times did we play 6 of the first 7 in the state of Kansas?
err...2000
2002, 1998
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How many times did we play 6 of the first 7 in the state of Kansas?
err...2000
looked it up: '98, '02 and ...last year :redface:
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Because we start off ever fracking year on the road in Big 12. Seriously, wtf dude? :angry:
Remind me where ku opened up Big XII play this year...
Remind me where KSU has opened up the last 10 years.
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I can't tell when JS is serious any more, (if he ever is).
he's part of the ku inferiority ksu fans. (zacker, cire)
just garbage posters imo.
Come on dude. Garbage poster? That's a little harsh. I don't have an inferiority complex about ku. That's why I'm able to discuss the facts without ignoring the reality of the situation. I suppose I could just pump purple sunshine all day, but that's just not my style. I'm a realist. Here is reality:
KSU is losing:
No Name Pos Yr Ex Meas
2 Marcus Watts DB Sr. 4V 6-1/191
3 Bryan Baldwin DB Sr. 4V 5-10/190
6 Byron Garvin DB Sr. 4V 5-10/180
8 James Johnson RB Sr. 2V 5-11/200
17 Tim Reyer P Sr. 4V 5-11/208
21 Cole Brokenicky K Sr. SQ 5-10/197
22 Justin McKinney CB Sr. 3V 5-9/185
25 Toney Coleman WR Sr. 4V 6-1/193
26 Terry Petrie RB Sr. 2V 5-8/183
26 Tim Schwerdt K Sr. 3V 5-8/174
27 Jordy Nelson WR Sr. 4V 6-2/213
33 Greg Gaskins LB Sr. 4V 6-0/219
35 Heath Alexander WR Sr. 2V 5-11/190
37 Marcus Perry LB Sr. 4V 6-1/225
41 Steve Mathias LB Sr. 2V 6-0/222
51 Justin Roland LB Sr. 2V 6-0/245
65 Logan Robinson OL Sr. 4V 6-8/338
82 Michael Pooschke TE Sr. 2V 6-3/245
83 Daniel Gonzalez WR Sr. 2V 6-3/216
89 Rashaad Norwood TE Sr. 4V 6-3/229
91 Clayton Cox DT Sr. SQ 6-3/238
95 Rob Jackson DE Sr. 2V 6-3/265
96 Moses Manu DE Sr. 2V 6-2/258
99 Steven Cline DL Sr. 4V 6-1/291
ku is losing:
No Name Pos Yr Ex Meas
4 Gary Green CB Sr. 2V 5-9/175
15 Kyle Tucker P Sr. 3V 6-2/210
19 Brian Seymour S Sr. 2V 6-1/190
27 Sadiq Muhammed S Sr. 2V 6-0/190
35 Brandon McAnderson FB Sr. 3V 6-0/235
39 Scott Webb K Sr. 3V 5-11/180
49 Derek Spears TE Sr. 2V 6-3/215
65 Cesar Rodriguez OT Sr. 3V 6-7/290
67 Rameses Arceo OG Sr. SQ 6-4/300
75 Marcus Anderson DT Sr. 1V 6-4/290
82 Jeff Foster WR Sr. 2V 6-2/195
83 Marc Jones TE Sr. JC 6-4/250
85 Derek Fine TE Sr. 3V 6-3/245
86 Marcus Henry WR Sr. 3V 6-4/210
93 James McClinton DT Sr. 3V 6-1/285
Now, which group of departing players has had a bigger impact on their respective team's success this year? I'm not saying that KSU won't fill the losses effectively, but you have to admit that it is an uphill climb for us at least in the near term.
I realize that Prince is in year 2. I have no problem with Prince. He is re-building a recruiting base and program that, quite frankly, Bill Snyder allowed to deteriorate to unacceptable levels. Bill Snyder and his inept staff are a big part of the potential problems we are currently looking at in year 3 of the Prince era.
If you don't have an inferiority complex, why are you "scared"?
Or is this like when you said Snyder should be OC. ???
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If you don't have an inferiority complex, why are you "scared"?
Or is this like when you said Snyder should be OC. ???
Isn't it a little scary that we lose so much, they lose very little, we've lost to them two years in a row, and we play them at their place next year? If that doesn't at least concern you, you must be either in complete denial or you are dead.
Obviously, the Sndyer OC thing was a joke. I've been around for quite a while. I'm sorry if you don't get my sense of humor yet. I guess I need to work on my delivery.
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Obviously, the Snyer OC thing was a joke. I've been around for quite a while. I'm sorry if you don't get my sense of humor yet. I guess I need to work on my delivery.
you should start a gp hate thread.
garbage poster.
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If you don't have an inferiority complex, why are you "scared"?
Or is this like when you said Snyder should be OC. ???
Isn't it a little scary that we lose so much, they lose very little, we've lost to them two years in a row, and we play them at their place next year? If that doesn't at least concern you, you must be either in complete denial or you are dead.
Obviously, the Sndyer OC thing was a joke. I've been around for quite a while. I'm sorry if you don't get my sense of humor yet. I guess I need to work on my delivery.
You're just scared of losing a game? I'm more scared of losing to OU and Tech, personally. :ohno:
And your humor, or lack thereof, is just weird lately.
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I think part of the issue KSU is having on defense is the fact that a lot of guys are playing, lots of 2's and even 3's in there in key situations . . . so while that's painful at times now, it may pay off in the future.
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Obviously, the Snyer OC thing was a joke. I've been around for quite a while. I'm sorry if you don't get my sense of humor yet. I guess I need to work on my delivery.
you should start a gp hate thread.
garbage poster.
Don't you have some garbage posts to start over on tigerboard?
delusional poster.
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Now, which group of departing players has had a bigger impact on their respective team's success this year? I'm not saying that KSU won't fill the losses effectively, but you have to admit that it is an uphill climb for us at least in the near term.
I realize that Prince is in year 2. I have no problem with Prince. He is re-building a recruiting base and program that, quite frankly, Bill Snyder allowed to deteriorate to unacceptable levels. Bill Snyder and his inept staff are a big part of the potential problems we are currently looking at in year 3 of the Prince era.
So, you worried about losing all the seniors (mostly Snyder recruits), but it's Snyder's fault for our current problems. I mean, if all our current woes are Snyder's fault, shouldn't you be happy to get all these SRs out of here and replace them with Prince recruits? Which is it?
:confused:
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Sorry to have struck so many nerves. I will refrain from posting reality based information in the future.
KSU BIG 12 CHAMPS 2007-08!!!!!
FIESTA HERE WE COME!!!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
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poster fight!
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Sorry to have struck so many nerves. I will refrain from posting reality based information in the future.
KSU BIG 12 CHAMPS 2007-08!!!!!
FIESTA HERE WE COME!!!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
You're more scared of losing to Kansas next year than Tech and OU, (and Mizzou, for that matter)?
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The In contrast, KSU is in a "patch together a so-so team status" year after year with jucos, diamonds in the rough, and possible non-qualifiers.
Isn't this exactly how Snyder built his teams? Or is this humor?
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Sorry to have struck so many nerves. I will refrain from posting reality based information in the future.
KSU BIG 12 CHAMPS 2007-08!!!!!
FIESTA HERE WE COME!!!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
You're more scared of losing to Kansas next year than Tech and OU, (and Mizzou, for that matter)?
Maybe scared isn't quite the correct word. How about nauseous at the prospect of its occurrence (or should I say recurrence)?
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Because we start off ever fracking year on the road in Big 12. Seriously, wtf dude? :angry:
Remind me where ku opened up Big XII play this year...
Remind me where KSU has opened up the last 10 years.
Your point was completely nullified. Now is the time to let it drop. HTH.
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Sorry to have struck so many nerves. I will refrain from posting reality based information in the future.
KSU BIG 12 CHAMPS 2007-08!!!!!
FIESTA HERE WE COME!!!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
You're more scared of losing to Kansas next year than Tech and OU, (and Mizzou, for that matter)?
Maybe scared isn't quite the correct word. How about nauseous at the prospect of its occurrence (or should I say recurrence)?
But not Mizzou?
Inferiority complex.
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The In contrast, KSU is in a "patch together a so-so team status" year after year with jucos, diamonds in the rough, and possible non-qualifiers.
Isn't this exactly how Snyder built his teams? Or is this humor?
Not as much patching as re-loading. Snyder had a higher degree of stability position by position. Good point, however, I guess.
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we need to rename this place Phog.light
the groupthink that's taking over is thick
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Sorry to have struck so many nerves. I will refrain from posting reality based information in the future.
KSU BIG 12 CHAMPS 2007-08!!!!!
FIESTA HERE WE COME!!!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
You're more scared of losing to Kansas next year than Tech and OU, (and Mizzou, for that matter)?
Maybe scared isn't quite the correct word. How about nauseous at the prospect of its occurrence (or should I say recurrence)?
But not Mizzou?
Inferiority complex.
You wouldn't rather lose to Mizzou than ku? Liar.
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Sorry to have struck so many nerves. I will refrain from posting reality based information in the future.
KSU BIG 12 CHAMPS 2007-08!!!!!
FIESTA HERE WE COME!!!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
You're more scared of losing to Kansas next year than Tech and OU, (and Mizzou, for that matter)?
Maybe scared isn't quite the correct word. How about nauseous at the prospect of its occurrence (or should I say recurrence)?
But not Mizzou?
Inferiority complex.
You wouldn't rather lose to Mizzou than ku? Liar.
All things being equal, I really don't give a sh*t. A loss is a loss.
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Sorry to have struck so many nerves. I will refrain from posting reality based information in the future.
KSU BIG 12 CHAMPS 2007-08!!!!!
FIESTA HERE WE COME!!!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
You're more scared of losing to Kansas next year than Tech and OU, (and Mizzou, for that matter)?
Maybe scared isn't quite the correct word. How about nauseous at the prospect of its occurrence (or should I say recurrence)?
But not Mizzou?
Inferiority complex.
Wow Rusty and Fatty. You guys have taken this to a whole new level. Congrats.
If not wanting to lose to ku means I have an "inferiority complex", then fine. I have an inferiority complex. And if posting my mostly fact based opinions, mixed with some occasional sarcasm, makes me a "garbage poster", then fine. I am a garbage poster.
JesusShuttlesworth = Garbage Poster with a ku Inferiority Complex
Rusty and Fatty, thank you both for guiding me along this journey of self-discovery.
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For as much crap as ku has taken for our schedule, this was very eye opening....
9/5 vs. Indiana State (non-IA) W 66 0
9/12 vs. Northern Illinois (2-9) W 73 7
9/19 vs. *Texas (9-3) W 48 7
9/26 vs. Louisiana-Monroe (5-6) W 62 7
10/10 @ *Colorado (8-4) W 16 9
10/17 vs. *Oklahoma State (5-6) W 52 20
10/24 vs. *Iowa State (3-8) W 52 7
10/31 @ *Kansas (4-7) W 54 6
11/7 @ *Baylor (2-9) W 49 6
11/14 vs. *Nebraska (9-4) W 40 30
11/21 @ *Missouri (8-4) W 31 25
12/5 vs. *Texas A&M (11-3) L 33 36 @ St. Louis, MO Big 12 Championship
12/29 vs. Purdue (9-4) L 34 37 @ San Antonio, TX Alamo Bowl
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Sorry to have struck so many nerves. I will refrain from posting reality based information in the future.
KSU BIG 12 CHAMPS 2007-08!!!!!
FIESTA HERE WE COME!!!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
You're more scared of losing to Kansas next year than Tech and OU, (and Mizzou, for that matter)?
Maybe scared isn't quite the correct word. How about nauseous at the prospect of its occurrence (or should I say recurrence)?
But not Mizzou?
Inferiority complex.
You wouldn't rather lose to Mizzou than ku? Liar.
All things being equal, I really don't give a sh*t. A loss is a loss.
Bullsh*t.
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we need to rename this place Phog.light
the groupthink that's taking over is thick
Prince is our coach. I believe.
Sorry to have struck so many nerves. I will refrain from posting reality based information in the future.
KSU BIG 12 CHAMPS 2007-08!!!!!
FIESTA HERE WE COME!!!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
You're more scared of losing to Kansas next year than Tech and OU, (and Mizzou, for that matter)?
Maybe scared isn't quite the correct word. How about nauseous at the prospect of its occurrence (or should I say recurrence)?
But not Mizzou?
Inferiority complex.
Wow Rusty and Fatty. You guys have taken this to a whole new level. Congrats.
If not wanting to lose to ku means I have an "inferiority complex", then fine. I have an inferiority complex. And if posting my mostly fact based opinions, mixed with some occasional sarcasm, makes me a "garbage poster", then fine. I am a garbage poster.
JesusShuttlesworth = Garbage Poster with a ku Inferiority Complex
Rusty and Fatty, thank you both for guiding me along this journey of self-discovery.
No problem.
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I can't tell when JS is serious any more, (if he ever is).
he's part of the ku inferiority ksu fans. (zacker, cire)
just garbage posters imo.
I have an inferiority complex about KSU, not ku.
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All things being equal, I really don't give a sh*t. A loss is a loss.
Bullsh*t.
The only difference is the tiny penis KSU fans are whinier when we lose to ku. Losing to MU hurts KSU equally in terms of recruiting, exposure, conference standings, etc. You know, the things that matter.
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For as much crap as ku has taken for our schedule, this was very eye opening....
9/5 vs. Indiana State (non-IA) W 66 0
9/12 vs. Northern Illinois (2-9) W 73 7
9/19 vs. *Texas (9-3) W 48 7
9/26 vs. Louisiana-Monroe (5-6) W 62 7
10/10 @ *Colorado (8-4) W 16 9
10/17 vs. *Oklahoma State (5-6) W 52 20
10/24 vs. *Iowa State (3-8) W 52 7
10/31 @ *Kansas (4-7) W 54 6
11/7 @ *Baylor (2-9) W 49 6
11/14 vs. *Nebraska (9-4) W 40 30
11/21 @ *Missouri (8-4) W 31 25
12/5 vs. *Texas A&M (11-3) L 33 36 @ St. Louis, MO Big 12 Championship
12/29 vs. Purdue (9-4) L 34 37 @ San Antonio, TX Alamo Bowl
The difference is that KSU had won more that 3 league games in a season prior to that year, had been invited to several consecutive bowls, and had lived in the top 25 for the previous several years.
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No matter what, I would STILL take the following wins over a win over the "team to beat" in the Big 12 that is ku:
UT
OU
TECH
aTm
OSU
NU
CU
MU
All of these teams can and do beat Big Time programs with varying frequency. ku's best win this year: KSU or CU. pretty pathetic. If ku does this next year... I will dine on a crow sandwich and bow down to the mighty Mangina.
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makes me a "garbage poster", then fine. I am a garbage poster.
you're fine with it? Good.
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Losing to OSU hurt waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than losing to ku, losing to ku sucked for the rest of that day though. the osu loss has stung all week long.
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Losing to OSU hurt waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than losing to ku, losing to ku sucked for the rest of that day though. the osu loss has stung all week long.
Therein lies the point. As much as I detest admitting this, Big 12 South = Legitimacy. Those are the teams that get many Big Time recruits, their stadiums are more intimidating and I feel overall more spectacular as a team when we do win in the south.
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makes me a "garbage poster", then fine. I am a garbage poster.
you're fine with it? Good.
13,000+ garbage posts > 100+ garbage posts
I learned from the best. Thanks man. :beerchug:
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All things being equal, I really don't give a sh*t. A loss is a loss.
Bullsh*t.
The only difference is the tiny penis KSU fans are whinier when we lose to ku. Losing to MU hurts KSU equally in terms of recruiting, exposure, conference standings, etc. You know, the things that matter.
So Snyder was just full of sh*t when he talked about the importance of demolishing ku? That game is more important to recruiting than MU because what few good recruits the state of Kansas produces every year need to come to K-State by default. Then we can focus our efforts elsewhere.
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Well Wave, the big difference in 1998 was the fact we played good UT and CU teams in the first 5 weeks, crushing Ricky Williams' led Texas mightily and beat #14 CU in Boulder. That took some heat off from what was a garbage non-conference schedule. At the time the North was dominant (KSU, Mizzou, Nubb and CU all ranked) and we played Texas (along w/ aTm the 2 best teams in the South at the time). KSU had beaten 4 ranked teams prior to the Big 12 championship, 2 on the road. ku will likely play only 2 ranked teams total (KSU and Mizzou) and one isn't until the final weekend of the season. Even with the crap non-conference, KSU had played a tougher schedule by week 5 than ku will all year.
I don't think there was any illusion that ku's conference slate would be weak this year with OU, Texas and Tech off the slate. Nebraska faultering and a perception that aTm is crappy doesn't help any either. Basically you scheduled cupcakes and "lucked" into a few more cupcakes along the way. Makes for wins, but little respect. Need some major blowouts (like the '98 KSU team) to salvage some of that respect you're craving.
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Yeah, that dumb old Bill Snyder and the importance he placed on beating ku . . . really what the hell was that guy thinking??
Give Fatty a break, when your chalking up 13,000 posts on this board, nearly 10,000 posts under his current handle on Tigerboard, plus the hundreds if not thousands of posts compiled under Fatty and various other socks on phog, tigerboard, KSF's, PI and other places . . . a person can lose their train of thought.
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So Snyder was just full of sh*t when he talked about the importance of demolishing ku? That game is more important to recruiting than MU because what few good recruits the state of Kansas produces every year need to come to K-State by default. Then we can focus our efforts elsewhere.
When did he talk about that, and when did the few good recruits the state of Kansas produces come to K-State by default?
LOL @ trying to beat someone harder than someone else. If you're doing that in sports, you're a loser by default.
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So Snyder was just full of sh*t when he talked about the importance of demolishing ku? That game is more important to recruiting than MU because what few good recruits the state of Kansas produces every year need to come to K-State by default. Then we can focus our efforts elsewhere.
When did he talk about that, and when did the few good recruits the state of Kansas produces come to K-State by default?
LOL @ trying to beat someone harder than someone else. If you're doing that in sports, you're a loser by default.
LOL @ your dream world in which that doesn't happen.
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So Snyder was just full of sh*t when he talked about the importance of demolishing ku? That game is more important to recruiting than MU because what few good recruits the state of Kansas produces every year need to come to K-State by default. Then we can focus our efforts elsewhere.
When did he talk about that, and when did the few good recruits the state of Kansas produces come to K-State by default?
LOL @ trying to beat someone harder than someone else. If you're doing that in sports, you're a loser by default.
LOL . . . Rusty apparently forgets how Snyder manipulated KSU's schedule several times to ensure KSU had a bye week prior to playing ku, he also told people behind the scenes how important it was to rule the state. Hayden Fry drilled that into his head at Iowa.
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All things being equal, I really don't give a sh*t. A loss is a loss.
Bullsh*t.
The only difference is the tiny penis KSU fans are whinier when we lose to ku. Losing to MU hurts KSU equally in terms of recruiting, exposure, conference standings, etc. You know, the things that matter.
So Snyder was just full of sh*t when he talked about the importance of demolishing ku? That game is more important to recruiting than MU because what few good recruits the state of Kansas produces every year need to come to K-State by default. Then we can focus our efforts elsewhere.
Beating ku is good for boosters/alumni; beating Texas is good for recruits.
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So Snyder was just full of sh*t when he talked about the importance of demolishing ku? That game is more important to recruiting than MU because what few good recruits the state of Kansas produces every year need to come to K-State by default. Then we can focus our efforts elsewhere.
When did he talk about that, and when did the few good recruits the state of Kansas produces come to K-State by default?
LOL @ trying to beat someone harder than someone else. If you're doing that in sports, you're a loser by default.
LOL . . . Rusty apparently forgets how Snyder manipulated KSU's schedule several times to ensure KSU had a bye week prior to playing ku, he also told people behind the scenes how important it was to rule the state. Hayden Fry drilled that into his head at Iowa.
3 times? Wow.
"Behind the scenes"? LOL.
Regardless, there were plenty of things that Snyder did that weren't requirements for success.
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Rusty: teams gear up more for some games than others.
Yes or no?
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Rusty: teams gear up more for some games than others.
Yes or no?
Weak teams do.
WTF does this have to do with a win over ku being more important than MU to your fragile ego?
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Rusty bit into the "no one game will make or break" mantra from Snyder hook line and sinker.
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Rusty: teams gear up more for some games than others.
Yes or no?
Weak teams do.
WTF does this have to do with a win over ku being more important than MU to your fragile ego?
LOL. God, you're in such denial.
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Denial of what?
Do you have an argument, or are you just going to keep asking retarded, irrelevant rhetoricals?
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My co-workers might say something mean. Again. :ohno:
And then I can't proudly display my collection of ksu merchandise. :'(
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Denial of what?
Do you have an argument, or are you just going to keep asking retarded, irrelevant rhetoricals?
You're in denial about teams not gearing up more for certain games. It happens everywhere.
Of course, didn't you argue once that momentum didn't play a factor in games? We shouldn't be surprised.
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You're in denial about teams not gearing up more for certain games. It happens everywhere.
No, I said that happens. Relevance?
Of course, didn't you argue once that momentum didn't play a factor in games? We shouldn't be surprised.
Link? I said there's no evidence to support "clutch hitting", but that's completely different.
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You're in denial about teams not gearing up more for certain games. It happens everywhere.
No, I said that happens. Relevance?
Of course, didn't you argue once that momentum didn't play a factor in games? We shouldn't be surprised.
a) You said it only happens to "weak teams." Retarded.
b) Re: "clutch hitting." If you say so. Also retarded. Why do some players have batting averages that are drastically different with men in scoring position?
But I digress. Your "holier than thou" stance is painfully transparent.
Link? I said there's no evidence to support "clutch hitting", but that's completely different.
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Mods, can we please delete this thread?
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I'd rather beat Mizzou, OSU, OU, TTU, TAMU, UT, or NU before ku, to be honest.
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Can you guys send some of you MOJO to our defense? O Line?
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I'd rather beat Mizzou, OSU, OU, TTU, TAMU, UT, or NU before ku, to be honest.
Who gives a f*ck about Texas Tech?
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I'd rather beat Mizzou, OSU, OU, TTU, TAMU, UT, or NU before ku, to be honest.
Agreed
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I'd rather beat Mizzou, OSU, OU, TTU, TAMU, UT, or NU before ku, to be honest.
Who gives a f*ck about Texas Tech?
Why are you so obsessed with ku? Society doesn't pay attention to who wins that game. Society looks up in amazement if we beat a team that is good/usually good.
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I'd rather beat Mizzou, OSU, OU, TTU, TAMU, UT, or NU before ku, to be honest.
CU?
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I'd rather beat Mizzou, OSU, OU, TTU, TAMU, UT, or NU before ku, to be honest.
Who gives a f*ck about Texas Tech?
Skyline trio, Texas recruits, Jucos. It's not hard to recruit against Kansas since they carry all the cons that we do (being in Kansas), it's nice to have at least one thing on the Texas schools that we recruit against.
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You're in denial about teams not gearing up more for certain games. It happens everywhere.
No, I said that happens. Relevance?
Of course, didn't you argue once that momentum didn't play a factor in games? We shouldn't be surprised.
a) You said it only happens to "weak teams." Retarded.
b) Re: "clutch hitting." If you say so. Also retarded. Why do some players have batting averages that are drastically different with men in scoring position?
But I digress. Your "holier than thou" stance is painfully transparent.
Link? I said there's no evidence to support "clutch hitting", but that's completely different.
Again, relevance? You have gone off on a ridiculous tangent. Do you have a point beyond "Rusty has a holier than thou stance"? I'm genuinely curious.
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I'd rather beat Mizzou, OSU, OU, TTU, TAMU, UT, or NU before ku, to be honest.
CU?
I initially included them but took them off because I listed too many. Honestly, my list would look something like this..
1. Texas
2. OU
3. Nebraska
4. Mizzou
5. Texas A&M
6. OSU
7. Texas Tech
8. Colorado
9. ku
10. ISU
11. Baylor
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I'd rather beat Mizzou, OSU, OU, TTU, TAMU, UT, or NU before ku, to be honest.
CU?
I initially included them but took them off because I listed too many. Honestly, my list would look something like this..
1. Texas
2. OU
3. Nebraska
4. Mizzou
5. Texas A&M
6. OSU
7. Texas Tech
8. Colorado
9. ku
10. ISU
11. Baylor
Mine would be similare but end up
1. TX
2. NU
3. OU
4. A&M
5. Mizzou
6. OSU
7. Tech
8. ku
9. CU
10. ISU
11. Baylor
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You're in denial about teams not gearing up more for certain games. It happens everywhere.
No, I said that happens. Relevance?
Of course, didn't you argue once that momentum didn't play a factor in games? We shouldn't be surprised.
a) You said it only happens to "weak teams." Retarded.
b) Re: "clutch hitting." If you say so. Also retarded. Why do some players have batting averages that are drastically different with men in scoring position?
But I digress. Your "holier than thou" stance is painfully transparent.
Link? I said there's no evidence to support "clutch hitting", but that's completely different.
Again, relevance? You have gone off on a ridiculous tangent. Do you have a point beyond "Rusty has a holier than thou stance"? I'm genuinely curious.
I made my point before. Beating ku is indeed important for recruiting.
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I made my point before. Beating ku is indeed important for recruiting.
But less important than beating a team that is normally good.
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I say not beating ku diminishes beating a team that's "normally" good by quite a bit. Of course using the Rusty logic which dictates that since a guy like Bill Snyder didn't come out and publicly say that beating ku and (and MU as well) wasn't important . . . then it had to be just like every other game.
I remember after a couple of wins against MU, particularly after the win there in 1996, Snyder acted like he had just gotten a blowjob from the entire golden girls squad in the postgame interview.
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I know most of you will deny it, but losing to Kansas hurts you more than losing to anyone else in the country. I won't argue that beating Kansas is as important to you guys as beating Texas/Oklahoma, but it's up there. You're in denial if you can't admit that you're a little nervous about the way that the rivalry has evolved. Kansas is becoming a lot like Bill Snyder's program at Kansas State.
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Who is the tiny penis KSU fan who started this thread?
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I know most of you will deny it, but losing to Kansas hurts you more than losing to anyone else in the country. I won't argue that beating Kansas is as important to you guys as beating Texas/Oklahoma, but it's up there. You're in denial if you can't admit that you're a little nervous about the way that the rivalry has evolved. Kansas is becoming a lot like Bill Snyder's program at Kansas State.
:rolleyes:
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I know most of you will deny it, but losing to Kansas hurts you more than losing to anyone else in the country. I won't argue that beating Kansas is as important to you guys as beating Texas/Oklahoma, but it's up there. You're in denial if you can't admit that you're a little nervous about the way that the rivalry has evolved. Kansas is becoming a lot like Bill Snyder's program at Kansas State.
Similar to the reality that Mark Mangino was hired with edict 1a-beat KSU . . . and for similar reasons that you stated above.
Now, you can talk about how ku is "becoming a lot like Bill Snyder's" program all you want, but until that happens, it's nothing but talk.
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I know most of you will deny it, but losing to Kansas hurts you more than losing to anyone else in the country. I won't argue that beating Kansas is as important to you guys as beating Texas/Oklahoma, but it's up there. You're in denial if you can't admit that you're a little nervous about the way that the rivalry has evolved. Kansas is becoming a lot like Bill Snyder's program at Kansas State.
:flush:
Bill Snyder's program at Kansas State held excellence in the Big 8 and Big 12 for over a decade. ku has played the weakest schedule known to man for 7 games and now wants to compare itself to KSU under Snyder? Do you realize why we have a hard time taking any ku football fan seriously?
And you're kidding yourself if you really think that losing to you guys hurts us more than anyone else in the country. I watched us lose to you clowns and was over it when I finished my beer. We just don't hold you guys in the same regard as actual good teams, sorry.
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I say not beating ku diminishes beating a team that's "normally" good by quite a bit.
Bingo. Consistency is key. That's what made Snyder great. Losing 3 of 4 to ku is not good. You're crazy if you think otherwise.
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I say not beating ku diminishes beating a team that's "normally" good by quite a bit.
Bingo. Consistency is key. That's what made Snyder great. Losing 3 of 4 to ku is not good. You're crazy if you think otherwise.
Losing = not good. Got it.
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I made my point before. Beating ku is indeed important for recruiting.
Really?
Where's the evidence?
In 2007, after losing 2 of 3, KSU signed 6 of the top 20 in Kansas. ku signed 4.
In 2004, after winning 11 straight and coming off a Big 12 title, KSU signed 4 of the top 15. ku signed 3.
I say not beating ku diminishes beating a team that's "normally" good by quite a bit. Of course using the Rusty logic which dictates that since a guy like Bill Snyder didn't come out and publicly say that beating ku and (and MU as well) wasn't important . . . then it had to be just like every other game.
I said beating ku and MU was equally important. Both are more important than beating Baylor or Iowa State, less important than beating Nebraska or OU or Texas.
Really, I wish Snyder would have made beating Nebraska a higher priority than sh*tty Kansas and Mizzou teams. Maybe he gets an NC in 97 if he'd tried harder against Nebraska.
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I know most of you will deny it, but losing to Kansas hurts you more than losing to anyone else in the country. I won't argue that beating Kansas is as important to you guys as beating Texas/Oklahoma, but it's up there. You're in denial if you can't admit that you're a little nervous about the way that the rivalry has evolved. Kansas is becoming a lot like Bill Snyder's program at Kansas State.
I will admit that when ku fan admits that losing to KSU in Basketball is important. Oh, comparing ku/Mangina to what Bill Snyder did is ridiculous. If you compare what Mangina has done this year to when Marshall was undefeated a while back I will buy that. Again refer to above as to where the ku win stands.
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Beating NU was important to Bill. I've talked to several players (circa 1996-2001) who said that the week of the Nebraska game was some of the most intense practices and when the coaches were more intense than any other week. ku was an after thought at that point because we could roll our 2nd and 3rd team out there and beat them. No one cared about ku because they didn't matter.
There just has never been a stretch of years where both ku and KSU have been good at the same time in football...therefore, there are always "correlations" that have tried to be drawn to winning that game, when in reality, it's about winning every other game besides that game. I won't say the ku game is not important in terms of boosters/alumni, nor will I discount its importance to potential recruits, especially if ku continues to beat us year in and year out.
But honestly, if ku is beating us year in and year out from now on, that probably means we aren't a good football team to begin with or rather, they are just a better team who "deserves" to get those recruits or "deserves" to get more publicity.
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I know most of you will deny it, but losing to Kansas hurts you more than losing to anyone else in the country. I won't argue that beating Kansas is as important to you guys as beating Texas/Oklahoma, but it's up there. You're in denial if you can't admit that you're a little nervous about the way that the rivalry has evolved. Kansas is becoming a lot like Bill Snyder's program at Kansas State.
I will admit that when ku fan admits that losing to KSU in Basketball is important. Oh, comparing ku/Mangina to what Bill Snyder did is ridiculous. If you compare what Mangina has done this year to when Marshall was undefeated a while back I will buy that. Again refer to above as to where the ku win stands.
I think that most Kansas fans would admit that any rivalry game is important. However, in basketball, individual games aren't as important as they are in football, so it's hard to really compare. Kansas also plays its rivals (K-State and Mizzou) twice in conference play, so there's always the chance of getting redemption in the same season.
On the Synder/Mangino comparison, you've got to take a look at what both coaches had done at this point in their careers. Here are some interesting facts (found this on phog):
Both of their first seasons were awful, Snyder 1-10, Mangino 2-10, mostly because of inheriting a bad team. Both coaches’ teams struggled on the road. Through the first five and a half years of Snyder’s career, Kansas State was 5-21 away from Manhattan. Through five and a half years, Kansas is 6-21 under Mangino away from Lawrence.
The formula Bill Snyder used for making Kansas State a national power is also similar to what Mangino did to gain national recognition. Both coaches have added wins to the schedule by playing soft opponents during the nonconference part of the season. Through five and a half seasons, Snyder’s nonconference record was 18-6. Mangino, through the first five and a half season’s of his career, has gone 18-6 in nonconference play.
For a team near the cellar of college football, recruiting can be tricky, and coaches have to find players that marquis schools overlook. Players that come from a junior college or players that are undersized for their position are what Snyder capitalized on and what Mangino is also doing.
On Oct. 22, 1994, the Kansas State Wildcats were 4-2 (1-2 Big 8 ) under Bill Snyder and went on to finish the season 9-3 (5-2 Big 8 ). They finished the season ranked No. 19 in the AP poll, and No. 16 in the CNN/USA Today Coaches’ Poll. They were nearly a permanent fixture in the rankings for the next ten years.
Today, Oct. 22, 2007, Kansas is ranked No. 12 in the AP poll, No. 10 in the USA Today Coaches Poll and No. 9 in the BCS poll. Kansas is undefeated at 7-0 under Mark Mangino. Though Bill Snyder was well on his way in establishing Kansas State as a national power five years into his coaching career, it was not until 1998 when Kansas State went 7-0.
Mark Mangino was an assistant coach at Kansas State from 1991-1998 and was around to witness Bill Snyder build a football team from a laughing stock to a national power. Through five and a half years of coaching, both coaches careers look similar. It was clear that Mangino learned a thing or two under Bill Snyder. It will not be surprising to see Kansas football enjoy success similar to that which Snyder brought to Kansas State.
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anyone that says as a fan that they would rather beat texas tech than ku is an idiot.
and for rusty...
do rivalry games exist?
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Beating NU was important to Bill. I've talked to several players (circa 1996-2001) who said that the week of the Nebraska game was some of the most intense practices and when the coaches were more intense than any other week. ku was an after thought at that point because we could roll our 2nd and 3rd team out there and beat them. No one cared about ku because they didn't matter.
He should have tried harder. Like, really hard.
do rivalry games exist?
Who said they didn't?
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I made my point before. Beating ku is indeed important for recruiting.
Really?
Where's the evidence?
In 2007, after losing 2 of 3, KSU signed 6 of the top 20 in Kansas. ku signed 4.
In 2004, after winning 11 straight and coming off a Big 12 title, KSU signed 4 of the top 15. ku signed 3.
I say not beating ku diminishes beating a team that's "normally" good by quite a bit. Of course using the Rusty logic which dictates that since a guy like Bill Snyder didn't come out and publicly say that beating ku and (and MU as well) wasn't important . . . then it had to be just like every other game.
I said beating ku and MU was equally important. Both are more important than beating Baylor or Iowa State, less important than beating Nebraska or OU or Texas.
Really, I wish Snyder would have made beating Nebraska a higher priority than sh*tty Kansas and Mizzou teams. Maybe he gets an NC in 97 if he'd tried harder against Nebraska.
In 1995 ku finished in the Top 10, in 1996 and 1997 MU fielded a pretty good team . . . Snyder pussed out at NU in 1997.
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do rivalry games exist?
Who said they didn't?
well since a team shouldnt get up for one game more than others i was just curious as to what makes a game a rivalry game.
you are crazy if you dont think michigan and ohio state dont want to beat each other worse than they want to beat any other team but i guess that makes them weak teams.
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BMW...I'd say you're right for those who still live in the area. Everybody wants to have bragging rights at the water cooler and all that fun stuff. However, beating a "name" team gets you a lot further in program perception outside that area (as well as in the national media) where they think ku and KSU are the same school or just don't give a damn either way.
Now having said that...the one ironic silver lining for me and a definite good thing for the North is the ku & Mizzou surges, KSU & CU's percieved upsets and genuine decent play vs. the South this year has proven the North can garner a little respect without the help of the Nubbs. To me that's pretty damned funny and yet another reason for Nubb fans to get over themselves. I like the direction the North is going with some young QB talent and I absolutely love the direction Nebraska is going.
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well since a team shouldnt get up for one game more than others i was just curious as to what makes a game a rivalry game.
Rad trophies!
you are crazy if you dont think michigan and ohio state dont want to beat each other worse than they want to beat any other team but i guess that makes them weak teams.
Well, I think Ohio State should have tried just as hard to beat Florida as they did Michigan last year. What the f*ck do I know, though?
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well since a team shouldnt get up for one game more than others i was just curious as to what makes a game a rivalry game.
Rad trophies!
you are crazy if you dont think michigan and ohio state dont want to beat each other worse than they want to beat any other team but i guess that makes them weak teams.
Well, I think Ohio State should have tried just as hard to beat Florida as they did Michigan last year. What the f*ck do I know, though?
yea, in the national championship game...
good argument though. i suppose i should have stated during a regular season game.
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Really, I wish Snyder would have made beating Nebraska a higher priority than sh*tty Kansas and Mizzou teams. Maybe he gets an NC in 97 if he'd tried harder against Nebraska.
So, since you said only "weak" teams try harder in some games than others, you're implying Snyder's K-State teams were weak.
Can you give me examples of teams that give equal effort, focus, and attention to every game on their schedule?
Thx.
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I know most of you will deny it, but losing to Kansas hurts you more than losing to anyone else in the country. I won't argue that beating Kansas is as important to you guys as beating Texas/Oklahoma, but it's up there. You're in denial if you can't admit that you're a little nervous about the way that the rivalry has evolved. Kansas is becoming a lot like Bill Snyder's program at Kansas State.
I will admit that when ku fan admits that losing to KSU in Basketball is important. Oh, comparing ku/Mangina to what Bill Snyder did is ridiculous. If you compare what Mangina has done this year to when Marshall was undefeated a while back I will buy that. Again refer to above as to where the ku win stands.
I think that most Kansas fans would admit that any rivalry game is important. However, in basketball, individual games aren't as important as they are in football, so it's hard to really compare. Kansas also plays its rivals (K-State and Mizzou) twice in conference play, so there's always the chance of getting redemption in the same season.
On the Synder/Mangino comparison, you've got to take a look at what both coaches had done at this point in their careers. Here are some interesting facts (found this on phog):
Both of their first seasons were awful, Snyder 1-10, Mangino 2-10, mostly because of inheriting a bad team. Both coaches’ teams struggled on the road. Through the first five and a half years of Snyder’s career, Kansas State was 5-21 away from Manhattan. Through five and a half years, Kansas is 6-21 under Mangino away from Lawrence.
The formula Bill Snyder used for making Kansas State a national power is also similar to what Mangino did to gain national recognition. Both coaches have added wins to the schedule by playing soft opponents during the nonconference part of the season. Through five and a half seasons, Snyder’s nonconference record was 18-6. Mangino, through the first five and a half season’s of his career, has gone 18-6 in nonconference play.
For a team near the cellar of college football, recruiting can be tricky, and coaches have to find players that marquis schools overlook. Players that come from a junior college or players that are undersized for their position are what Snyder capitalized on and what Mangino is also doing.
On Oct. 22, 1994, the Kansas State Wildcats were 4-2 (1-2 Big 8 ) under Bill Snyder and went on to finish the season 9-3 (5-2 Big 8 ). They finished the season ranked No. 19 in the AP poll, and No. 16 in the CNN/USA Today Coaches’ Poll. They were nearly a permanent fixture in the rankings for the next ten years.
Today, Oct. 22, 2007, Kansas is ranked No. 12 in the AP poll, No. 10 in the USA Today Coaches Poll and No. 9 in the BCS poll. Kansas is undefeated at 7-0 under Mark Mangino. Though Bill Snyder was well on his way in establishing Kansas State as a national power five years into his coaching career, it was not until 1998 when Kansas State went 7-0.
Mark Mangino was an assistant coach at Kansas State from 1991-1998 and was around to witness Bill Snyder build a football team from a laughing stock to a national power. Through five and a half years of coaching, both coaches careers look similar. It was clear that Mangino learned a thing or two under Bill Snyder. It will not be surprising to see Kansas football enjoy success similar to that which Snyder brought to Kansas State.
Do you have any thoughts of your own on the matter, or are you just going to plagiarize the entire article? Geez, at least put quotes in there for the stuff lifted directly from the article.
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Really, I wish Snyder would have made beating Nebraska a higher priority than sh*tty Kansas and Mizzou teams. Maybe he gets an NC in 97 if he'd tried harder against Nebraska.
So, since you said only "weak" teams try harder in some games than others, you're implying Snyder's K-State teams were weak.
They were weak relative to Nebraska. WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY HARD, BILL??!?!??!?!?! :curse:
Can you give me examples of teams that give equal effort, focus, and attention to every game on their schedule?
How the hell do you quantify that? Intentionally trying harder for Kansas compared to other conference games is foolish, IMO. I don't see how you could prove that wrong, or why you would try.
Do you think coaches have a magical "pump up" knob or something that they crank to 11 for certain games, or that they have a limit to the amount of "pump up-edness" they can use in a season?
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Really, I wish Snyder would have made beating Nebraska a higher priority than sh*tty Kansas and Mizzou teams. Maybe he gets an NC in 97 if he'd tried harder against Nebraska.
So, since you said only "weak" teams try harder in some games than others, you're implying Snyder's K-State teams were weak.
They were weak relative to Nebraska. WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY HARD, BILL??!?!??!?!?! :curse:
Can you give me examples of teams that give equal effort, focus, and attention to every game on their schedule?
How the hell do you quantify that? Intentionally trying harder for Kansas compared to other conference games is foolish, IMO. I don't see how you could prove that wrong, or why you would try.
Do you think coaches have a magical "pump up" knob or something that they crank to 11 for certain games, or that they have a limit to the amount of "pump up-edness" they can use in a season?
Who said anything about "intentional"? It's human nature.
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Really, I wish Snyder would have made beating Nebraska a higher priority than sh*tty Kansas and Mizzou teams. Maybe he gets an NC in 97 if he'd tried harder against Nebraska.
So, since you said only "weak" teams try harder in some games than others, you're implying Snyder's K-State teams were weak.
They were weak relative to Nebraska. WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY HARD, BILL??!?!??!?!?! :curse:
Can you give me examples of teams that give equal effort, focus, and attention to every game on their schedule?
How the hell do you quantify that? Intentionally trying harder for Kansas compared to other conference games is foolish, IMO. I don't see how you could prove that wrong, or why you would try.
Do you think coaches have a magical "pump up" knob or something that they crank to 11 for certain games, or that they have a limit to the amount of "pump up-edness" they can use in a season?
In the end, while he lost his last game to Nebraska, he pretty much made Nebraska irrelevant and sent them to mediocrity hell.
So at least he'll die happy.
I'm not sure you ever will, but that's a whole 'nother thread.
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I think the idea that teams/coaches have the same focus week in and week out is absurd. Further, I think it's just as absurd to try to correlate focus and winning. Primarily, it kind of has to do with having better players.
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Who said anything about "intentional"? It's human nature.
Um, you and dax in reference to Bill Snyder placing more importance on the Kansas game.
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/rlj4794/PUMPUPKNOB.jpg)
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I think the idea that teams/coaches have the same focus week in and week out is absurd. Further, I think it's just as absurd to try to correlate focus and winning. Primarily, it kind of has to do with having better players.
I pretty much agree, when I said only "weak" teams do that, I probably should have said only "weak teams let it cost them games".
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I think the idea that teams/coaches have the same focus week in and week out is absurd. Further, I think it's just as absurd to try to correlate focus and winning. Primarily, it kind of has to do with having better players.
I pretty much agree, when I said only "weak" teams do that, I probably should have said only "weak teams let it cost them games".
It just goes back to my point about ku and ksu never being good at the same time for an extended period of time. I mean, as I pointed out (sarcasm didn't get through) Bill really wanted to win that NU game because he knew that to knock them off would mean the program was taking the next step (because NU was good, really good). We didn't start consistently beating them ('98 - '03) until we got better players...the better players came from winning all the other games besides the NU game.
If ku and KSU are both good/great programs for the next decade, the game will actually turn into a real rivalry, rather than what it is today, which is some imaginery/make believe shift of power in the state. The primary reason that ku sucked during Snyder's era was because they hired freaking Terry Allen and he sucked as a coach and couldn't recruit. The reason ku is 7-0 right now is because they have a good team, not because snyder isn't the coach at KSU or because Ron read more books during the ku week than during the UT week.
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^Exactly.
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I think the idea that teams/coaches have the same focus week in and week out is absurd. Further, I think it's just as absurd to try to correlate focus and winning. Primarily, it kind of has to do with having better players.
when I said only "weak" teams do that, I probably should have said only "weak teams let it cost them games".
That would be acceptable.
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Okay there Rusty, you keep telling yourself that the ku game didn't mean anything more than any other game while watching that well known funster Bill Snyder jump up into the arms of Jim Leavitt (or was it Del Miller??) after that 1991 ku game, he did that a whole bunch after other wins. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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On the Synder/Mangino comparison, you've got to take a look at what both coaches had done at this point in their careers. Here are some interesting facts (found this on phog):
Both of their first seasons were awful, Snyder 1-10, Mangino 2-10, mostly because of inheriting a bad team. Both coaches’ teams struggled on the road. Through the first five and a half years of Snyder’s career, Kansas State was 5-21 away from Manhattan. Through five and a half years, Kansas is 6-21 under Mangino away from Lawrence.
The formula Bill Snyder used for making Kansas State a national power is also similar to what Mangino did to gain national recognition. Both coaches have added wins to the schedule by playing soft opponents during the nonconference part of the season. Through five and a half seasons, Snyder’s nonconference record was 18-6. Mangino, through the first five and a half season’s of his career, has gone 18-6 in nonconference play.
For a team near the cellar of college football, recruiting can be tricky, and coaches have to find players that marquis schools overlook. Players that come from a junior college or players that are undersized for their position are what Snyder capitalized on and what Mangino is also doing.
On Oct. 22, 1994, the Kansas State Wildcats were 4-2 (1-2 Big 8 ) under Bill Snyder and went on to finish the season 9-3 (5-2 Big 8 ). They finished the season ranked No. 19 in the AP poll, and No. 16 in the CNN/USA Today Coaches’ Poll. They were nearly a permanent fixture in the rankings for the next ten years.
Today, Oct. 22, 2007, Kansas is ranked No. 12 in the AP poll, No. 10 in the USA Today Coaches Poll and No. 9 in the BCS poll. Kansas is undefeated at 7-0 under Mark Mangino. Though Bill Snyder was well on his way in establishing Kansas State as a national power five years into his coaching career, it was not until 1998 when Kansas State went 7-0.
Mark Mangino was an assistant coach at Kansas State from 1991-1998 and was around to witness Bill Snyder build a football team from a laughing stock to a national power. Through five and a half years of coaching, both coaches careers look similar. It was clear that Mangino learned a thing or two under Bill Snyder. It will not be surprising to see Kansas football enjoy success similar to that which Snyder brought to Kansas State.
The problem is you are comparing Mangino to a certain future Hall-of-Famer based on what Mangino has done in 5 1/2 years. Snyder was not close to a Hall-of-Famer after the 1994 season (although he perhaps already had laid claim to the greatest turnaround in history).
It is a logical fallacy to say ku will now have a decade of dominant football because Mangino's #s are similar to Snyder's at this point. You can just as easily compare Mangino to Glen Mason, who also had a breakthrough in his fifth season. There's no way of knowing where ku's program will go from here, and it makes you look utterly ridiculous to say Mangino=future Hall-of-Famer at this point.
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Okay there Rusty, you keep telling yourself that the ku game didn't mean anything more than any other game while watching that well known funster Bill Snyder jump up into the arms of Jim Leavitt (or was it Del Miller??) after that 1991 ku game, he did that a whole bunch after other wins. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I never said it didn't mean more to Snyder. I doubt he put significantly more effort into one opponent than any other, though. Even if he did, that doesn't necessarily make that game more important for the health of the program than Missouri, for example. Like I alluded to earlier, mimicking every detail of Snyder's tenure is not a requirement for success at Kansas State.
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Okay there Rusty, you keep telling yourself that the ku game didn't mean anything more than any other game while watching that well known funster Bill Snyder jump up into the arms of Jim Leavitt (or was it Del Miller??) after that 1991 ku game, he did that a whole bunch after other wins. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I never said it didn't mean more to Snyder. I doubt he put significantly more effort into one opponent than any other, though. Even if he did, that doesn't necessarily make that game more important for the health of the program than Missouri, for example. Like I alluded to earlier, mimicking every detail of Snyder's tenure is not a requirement for success at Kansas State.
Okay . . . albeit I have never said that there was a need to mimic Snyder on everything. I just never bought the "no one game is more important" spiel from Snyder because I knew better, and I could simply tell by his mannerisms after certain games that was not the case.
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Okay there Rusty, you keep telling yourself that the ku game didn't mean anything more than any other game while watching that well known funster Bill Snyder jump up into the arms of Jim Leavitt (or was it Del Miller??) after that 1991 ku game, he did that a whole bunch after other wins. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
They were going crazy against North Texas in '89 too. Bill didn't do much celebrating past '95 (coincidentally that's about when winning became second nature/expected and we began to get good players). BTW, it was Leavitt.
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Okay there Rusty, you keep telling yourself that the ku game didn't mean anything more than any other game while watching that well known funster Bill Snyder jump up into the arms of Jim Leavitt (or was it Del Miller??) after that 1991 ku game, he did that a whole bunch after other wins. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
They were going crazy against North Texas in '89 too. Bill didn't do much celebrating past '95 (coincidentally that's about when winning became second nature/expected and we began to get good players). BTW, it was Leavitt.
And like I said after the 1996 game against MU he was giddy as hell . . . probably because he and Larry Smith hated each others guts, and you can't tell me that he didn't put a little extra . . . an "11" on that week.
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gee, I wonder if the '97 and '00 teams could compete w/ what is the '07 Kansas juggernaut?
Hmmm...the reason '97 and '00 didn't go 7-0 to start the season might, just might be because in game 4 of '97 KSU played at eventual national champ Nebraska and in the 7th game of '00 welcomed eventual national champ Oklahoma.
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ku fans don't get it.
What happened at KSU is magnitudes greater than what ku is and ever hopes to achieve of what Snyder did.
You can say "Well, Mangino got to 7-0 faster than Snyder" as if that has any bearing on reality. What you do the entire season is what matters.
Capt. Argyle has been on here trying to get us to buy that ku is a good team, and i don't think many people will disagree, but if you're going to make a comparison between the two programs as far as what one coach did vs. another, Mangino doesn't hold a candle because despite Terry Allen's ineptness, he still won games. Mangino did not take over a team that was on the verge of being kicked out of a conference and relegated to a lower division. He turned it into a national powerhouse, something ku has never done in the same manner in which Snyder has done.
No one, and I mean no one including almost every pundit expects ku to make a run for the NC this year, or any year because ku has good coaching and OK talent. Beating KSU is the only thing you can hold your hat on, but really, when ku did strings of wins against KSU, it wasn't because ku was a world beater, it was because KSU was much worse. The level of comparison is not even the same when you consider that when KSU broke the most wins streak, KSU was also building winning steaks against every other Big8/Big12 team and making a name for KSU that was on a national level YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. Until ku can do that consistently (going to a bowl game every other year for the last four or five years doesn't really cut it) then saying ku has a good team is fine for now, but your program still has a ways to go.
And don't compare ku's team with other KSU's team. I'm sure that if Snyder had his best program and played against this ku team, the score might be closer, but not by much.
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I can't tell when JS is serious any more, (if he ever is).
he's part of the ku inferiority ksu fans. (zacker, cire)
just garbage posters imo.
ku is losing:
No Name Pos Yr Ex Meas
4 Gary Green CB Sr. 2V 5-9/175
15 Kyle Tucker P Sr. 3V 6-2/210
19 Brian Seymour S Sr. 2V 6-1/190
27 Sadiq Muhammed S Sr. 2V 6-0/190
35 Brandon McAnderson FB Sr. 3V 6-0/235
39 Scott Webb K Sr. 3V 5-11/180
49 Derek Spears TE Sr. 2V 6-3/215
65 Cesar Rodriguez OT Sr. 3V 6-7/290
67 Rameses Arceo OG Sr. SQ 6-4/300
75 Marcus Anderson DT Sr. 1V 6-4/290
82 Jeff Foster WR Sr. 2V 6-2/195
83 Marc Jones TE Sr. JC 6-4/250
85 Derek Fine TE Sr. 3V 6-3/245
86 Marcus Henry WR Sr. 3V 6-4/210
93 James McClinton DT Sr. 3V 6-1/285
HUGE, HUGE loss, btw.
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It's funny that ku fans like BMW have absolutely no idea how loaded the big 8/12 was from 93-02.
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It's funny that ku fans like BMW have absolutely no idea how loaded the big 8/12 was from 93-02.
All you have to do is realize that Terry Allen played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 opponents in 5 years than Mark Mangino did.
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It's funny that ku fans like BMW have absolutely no idea how loaded the big 8/12 was from 93-02.
Oh, I fully realize how loaded the Big 8/12 was from '93-02. Heck, Kansas was ranked #6 in '95. I realize how good teams like K-State, Colorado, and Nebraska were. Oklahoma wasn't any good until Stoops took over and won the National Championship in '00 with Mangino as offensive coordinator. Texas wasn't the juggernaut that it is now.
The thing that's funny is that K-State fans don't realize how absolutely pathetic Kansas' football program was during the Terry Allen years. The man left Mangino with a 2-10 D-1AA team. It was similar to what Snyder was left with, especially after Mangino kicked off the two best player for stealing a girl's purse (Mario Kinsey and Brandon Duncan). Mangino had to literally start from scratch and throw the towel in for an entire season just to see who was worth a scholarship.
Kansas has been a few breaks away from having this kind of success for a few years now, and this is the year that the recruiting and hard work has finally paid off. Having a competent offensive coordinator in Ed Warriner also helps tremendously. The young players in this program are the ones leading this team, and the program is just going to keep getting better. I'm tellin' ya, Kansas is for real.
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Terry allen had to play against top 10 team, national title contenders every year, in the north.
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I don't know how you could live in Kansas, be a ku or KSU fan, and not value the 'Sunflower Showdown' above most(if not all) games every year no matter the state of the programs.
Its huge and I don't know of anyone that doesn't have the game circled on their calendar.
Snyder did. Mangino does. Fans do. If they* say they don't, they're lying.
*Rusty
Beating KSU is the only thing you can hold your hat on
At the end of the season I'll be holding my hat on a bowl game, the record, the national attention, and of course, the Ksu game.
Good god Rodless. Before you post, think of the children.
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Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team. The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over.
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Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team. The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over.
The argument's over. You just don't fully understand how awful the Kansas football program was under Terry Allen.
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Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team. The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over.
The argument's over. You just don't fully understand how awful the Kansas State football program was under Terry Allen every single coach in KSU's 90+ year history until Snyder.
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I'm looking forward to having NU fans tell us that their future coach's recovery job from the disastrous Callahan era is basically the same thing as what Snyder did.
kono
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Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team. The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over.
The argument's over. You just don't fully understand how awful the Kansas football program was under Terry Allen.
oh yes we do, we paid attention to football then.
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I would rather beat NU 70-0 than beating ku that bad. NU is/was relevant in college football. People make a big deal out of whooping the 'skers. No one gives a crap if you beat ku.
All that beating ku means is that you dont have to listen to their annoying fans who know NOTHING about football (and usually dont even watch the game) talk trash. Its more of a relief beating ku than a good feeling.
Beating NU gets you on sportscenter and gameday final.
On a side note: LOL at ku fans absolutely sucking off Snyder
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Well Wave, the big difference in 1998 was the fact we played good UT and CU teams in the first 5 weeks, crushing Ricky Williams' led Texas mightily and beat #14 CU in Boulder. That took some heat off from what was a garbage non-conference schedule. At the time the North was dominant (KSU, Mizzou, Nubb and CU all ranked) and we played Texas (along w/ aTm the 2 best teams in the South at the time). KSU had beaten 4 ranked teams prior to the Big 12 championship, 2 on the road. ku will likely play only 2 ranked teams total (KSU and Mizzou) and one isn't until the final weekend of the season. Even with the crap non-conference, KSU had played a tougher schedule by week 5 than ku will all year.
I don't think there was any illusion that ku's conference slate would be weak this year with OU, Texas and Tech off the slate. Nebraska faultering and a perception that aTm is crappy doesn't help any either. Basically you scheduled cupcakes and "lucked" into a few more cupcakes along the way. Makes for wins, but little respect. Need some major blowouts (like the '98 KSU team) to salvage some of that respect you're craving.
BINGO!!!
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Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team. The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over.
The argument's over. You just don't fully understand how awful the Kansas football program was under Terry Allen.
It's hard to look great when your playing 3x's as many ranked teams as the guy who came after you.
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Again, Terry Allen won 21 games, actually had ku in position to go bowling (and as per usual got ZERO help from the hometown fans in a crucial game), and played 3x's as many games against ranked Big 12 teams in five years than Mangino played in five years and also played at Notre Dame and at home against a loaded UCLA team. The schedule had already been been dumbed down by the time Mangino took over.
The argument's over. You just don't fully understand how awful the Kansas football program was under Terry Allen.
It's hard to look great when your playing 3x's as many ranked teams as the guy who came after you.
So if Terry Allen takes over for Mark Mangino next season would his team go 2-10?
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How do I know, I just state the facts; you just can't live with the fact that Terry Allen played a much tougher overall schedule in his 5 years, than Mangino played in his first five years.
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How do I know, I just state the facts; you just can't live with the fact that Terry Allen played a much tougher overall schedule in his 5 years, than Mangino played in his first five years.
Yeah, and let me tell you what...it paid off huge for TA. HUGE.
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So Allen could control who he played in conference??
:rolleyes: