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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: michigancat on July 06, 2007, 10:22:52 AM
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Our SG position is scaring me.
So much so, I'm already missing Lance Harris.
:frown:
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dude, seriously?
:sleep:
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Rusty how do you see the starting line-up?
Does Colon start or come off the bench?
How many guys do you think will play significant minutes?
Thanks in advance - Your roster changed so much all I really know are Walker, Beas, Hoskins, and Sutton.
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I love it when assertions are made with absolutely no DATA to support them. You could at least make a chart that shows exactly how scared you are.
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a delicious pie chart would do. :lick:
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I love it when assertions are made with absolutely no DATA to support them. You could at least make a chart that shows exactly how scared you are.
So you see Hoskins coming off the bench? Interesting.
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I really, really, really want that J-Mart Tyree article.
I'm about to go ballistic.
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I was hoping either Jake or Fred could fulfill our shooting needs while Clent and Blake switch off at the point.
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The following is a list of players on the KSU roster that I would trade for Tyree Evans:
Luis Colon
Darren Kent
Clent Stewart
Jacob Pullen
Fred Brown
David Hoskins (YES, I SAID DAVID HOSKINS)
Jamar Samuels
James Franklin
Brady Johnson
Dominique Sutton
Chris Merriewether
Ryan Patzwald
Andre Gilbert
Blake Young
Denis Clemente
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The following is a list of players on the KSU roster that I would trade for Tyree Evans:
Luis Colon
Darren Kent
Clent Stewart
Jacob Pullen
Fred Brown
David Hoskins (YES, I SAID DAVID HOSKINS)
Jamar Samuels
James Franklin
Brady Johnson
Dominique Sutton
Chris Merriewether
Ryan Patzwald
Andre Gilbert
Blake Young
Denis Clemente
lol Why not Walker?
BTW
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=69593
Ready for another year of Evans drama?
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You're way too in love with Tyree. I wanted him too, but not nearly as badly as you do.
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lol Why not Walker?
BTW
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=69593
Ready for another year of Evans drama?
YES!
I want him now, though. :-[
I wanted him too, but not nearly as badly as you do.
Good for you.
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Is Clent going to get shoved over to SG where he belongs? Frank can't run a more "up tempo" offense with Clent running the show.
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I would rather sacrifice some tempo on offense than try to break in a brand new PG. We know that unless a summer miracle happened, Blake isn't the answer at PG.
Clent is a pretty good outside shooter, if Brown/Pullen can knock down threes in the upper 30% range, that should be enough to keep defenses honest.
Sutton/Beasley/Walker/Hoskins don't need a bunch of Dan Majerles running around the perimeter, they just need guys good enough to keep the opposing defense honest. I'd love to have a couple dead-eyes, but it's not needed.
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lol Why not Walker?
BTW
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=69593
Ready for another year of Evans drama?
He's listed as a small forward now? WTF? a 6'3" small forward? that would work in middle school.
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Is Clent going to get shoved over to SG where he belongs? Frank can't run a more "up tempo" offense with Clent running the show.
Heh, that's a good point.
I think Clent would make a good SG. He can shoot it, and he's been pretty clutch in the past. That would allow Blake to bring the ball up the court, which he can do at a much faster tempo.
The only problem with that is Blake gets wreckless when he brings it up too fast. And it leaves big question marks about Jake and Fred, who absolutely must be a part of the rotation at the guard positions if we're going to have any sort of success come Big XII play.
I kind of gave up on Tyree. It's been so long since he's played organized basketball now, especially against any decent competition, that I don't think he'd come even close to meeting the expectations most people have of him.
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I would rather sacrifice some tempo on offense than try to break in a brand new PG. We know that unless a summer miracle happened, Blake isn't the answer at PG.
Clent is a pretty good outside shooter, if Brown/Pullen can knock down threes in the upper 30% range, that should be enough to keep defenses honest.
Sutton/Beasley/Walker/Hoskins don't need a bunch of Dan Majerles running around the perimeter, they just need guys good enough to keep the opposing defense honest. I'd love to have a couple dead-eyes, but it's not needed.
QFT, his single best post
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Is Clent going to get shoved over to SG where he belongs? Frank can't run a more "up tempo" offense with Clent running the show.
For my stats page, I'm tracking pace while a player is on the court. I think it will take several games of data to draw any conclusions, though.
http://kstatestats.awardspace.com/PARSE_live_stats.php
"Poss" is possessions/40 minutes.
Clent is a pretty good outside shooter, if Brown/Pullen can knock down threes in the upper 30% range, that should be enough to keep defenses honest.
Sutton/Beasley/Walker/Hoskins don't need a bunch of Dan Majerles running around the perimeter, they just need guys good enough to keep the opposing defense honest. I'd love to have a couple dead-eyes, but it's not needed.
Upper 30's is close enough to "dead-eye" for me, too. I'm just concerned that they won't be able to do it.
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Is Clent going to get shoved over to SG where he belongs? Frank can't run a more "up tempo" offense with Clent running the show.
That's been my assumption, but I kinda look at Blake and Clent as "combo" guards that will be in the line-up together. Both will be able to take on either guard roll. If Young is back to the form we saw before his knee injury then I see it this way:
1. Young - Pullen - Clemente**
2. Stewart - Sutton* - Brown
3. Walker - Sutton* - Gilbert
3 1/2. Hoskins - Samuels - Kent
4. Beasley - Colon - Samuels
*Sixth man getting starter minutes a la Martin from last season.
**true answer to playing uptempo, but won't see him for another season.
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You can have two guys that are able to play PG on the court, but you can only have one guy playing PG on the court.
The fact that so many KSU fans just don't get this floors me.
Randomly switching which guy is running the point isn't a good idea. Substitute for stretches of time? Yes. Leave players guessing which guard is running the point? No.
If you want any sense of rhythm or flow, you'll have one guy be your primary PG, and another guy that spells him during the game. But you don't switch back and forth randomly. Make switches during timeouts, or deadball periods when it can be communicated to the team.
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You can have two guys that are able to play PG on the court, but you can only have one guy playing PG on the court.
The fact that so many KSU fans just don't get this floors me.
Randomly switching which guy is running the point isn't a good idea. Substitute for stretches of time? Yes. Leave players guessing which guard is running the point? No.
If you want any sense of rhythm or flow, you'll have one guy be your primary PG, and another guy that spells him during the game. But you don't switch back and forth randomly. Make switches during timeouts, or deadball periods when it can be communicated to the team.
If you want to run transition, (which it appears Frank wants to do) it makes a ton of sense to have co-point guards. You want the rebounders to make the outlet pass to a specific spot on the floor - not a specific player. If you have two PG's, the closest one can just go to the outlet area and start the possession sooner instead of having the rebounder look around for Clent all day.
"Rythm" and "flow" are just buzzwords that media idiots of the world use.
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if we really need another guy who can knock down the 3. . .I guess I'll do it. When does practice start?
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Didn't we have this thread, like, 5 times already :confused:
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Didn't we have this thread, like, 5 times already :confused:
its offseason
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Is Clent going to get shoved over to SG where he belongs? Frank can't run a more "up tempo" offense with Clent running the show.
that's what I am hoping. Clent is better at 3 pointers than Harris was anyhow. Pullen at point and Clent at SG....that would make me happy.
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Our frontcourt will be so awesome, it won't matter.
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Didn't we have this thread, like, 5 times already :confused:
its offseason
QFT, continue
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Wow, where to start. I think Stewart will get most of the early ball-handling duties, not Young. Stew doesn't do a good enough job pushing pace but having two ball handlers on the floor does make for a better running game, as explained on the outlet passes. However, when the O sets up, Stew will likely be designated as the point. The more interesting part of that will be how they handle it when the other team scores. If Stew comes back around to get the ball each time, then we won't have much ability to put the other team back on their heels. You can run an O with two PG type players, but one is usually designated as the point to set up the offense in the front court and call out the plays. I think to be really good, we need 3 guys who can consistently hit 3's for a good percentage. They don't all need to be able to light it up, just be consistent threats. Problem is, we don't want Beasley to move away from the basket very often to do that...except maybe when Colon is in the game. Rusty, I also would like to have had Tyree...but I would not trade Hoskins or Sutton for him....and maybe not Clemente, Pullen or Samuels...and maybe not Colon. We are going to need him to provide some quality minutes this year.
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I hit 17-25 at a 3 point competition. However, I'm slow, I have no ups, i'm 6', and have limited ball skills. So, the only way I'd be good at college level is if no one were guarding me.
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Wow, where to start. I think Stewart will get most of the early ball-handling duties, not Young. Stew doesn't do a good enough job pushing pace but having two ball handlers on the floor does make for a better running game, as explained on the outlet passes. However, when the O sets up, Stew will likely be designated as the point. The more interesting part of that will be how they handle it when the other team scores. If Stew comes back around to get the ball each time, then we won't have much ability to put the other team back on their heels. You can run an O with two PG type players, but one is usually designated as the point to set up the offense in the front court and call out the plays.
If the team is serious about playing at a higher tempo, they should have a semi-organized transition offense.
The transition offense should flow smoothly into the half-court offense.
Therefore, you shouldn't need anyone to "set up" the offense if you don't get a quick transition bucket, and having two points really shouldn't make a difference.
After made baskets, get it to whoever's closer and go.
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Rusty, did you ever play ball in an organized fashion?
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Rusty, did you ever play ball in an organized fashion?
Yeah. I currently coach, too.
If you seriously want to discuss my "credentials", feel free to send me a PM.
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I feel sorry for your team.
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Rusty, did you ever play ball in an organized fashion?
Yeah. I currently coach, too.
If you seriously want to discuss my "credentials", feel free to send me a PM.
Wooly??
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I feel sorry for your team.
Why?
Rusty, did you ever play ball in an organized fashion?
Yeah. I currently coach, too.
If you seriously want to discuss my "credentials", feel free to send me a PM.
Wooly??
:peek:
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I don't see the problem with having this lineup:
1-Young
2-Stewart
3-Hoskins
4-Sutton
5-Beasley
...Stewart should be able to at least keep the idea of an outside threat and Beasley can stretch the defense just by being on the court. IIRC, we ran some stuff where Colon got the ball between the FT line and the 3 point line...if Beasley's the one with the ball it's a different story. Plus with this line up we would be athletic enough to actually run, yet not that small that we couldn't match up.
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bill walker? not starting?
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I don't see the problem with having this lineup:
1-Young SkyWalker
2-Stewart/Pullen
3-Hoskins
4-Sutton
5-Beasley
Fixed it for you.
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Why?
An up tempo transition offense requires guards that can play up tempo, but stay under control. Otherwise you miss any advantage you could have had by going too slow and end up in your half court set anyway, or miss the offensive opportunity all together by getting out of control. Stewart can stay under control, Young can play up tempo, but neither can do both.
Even in a transition offense, you still have a PG that is going to get the ball on the outlet the majority of the time. Otherwise you have 2 guards going for the outlet pass, and have one lane left unfilled. Not exactly a good recipe.
Surely you've seen a Roy Williams coached team and noticed this?
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I don't see the problem with having this lineup:
1-Young SkyWalker
2-Stewart/Pullen
3-Hoskins
4-Sutton
5-Beasley
Fixed it for you.
why would bill walker play point guard?
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I don't see the problem with having this lineup:
1-Young SkyWalker
2-Stewart/Pullen
3-Hoskins
4-Sutton
5-Beasley
Fixed it for you.
why would bill walker play point guard?
he wouldn't....I don't see where there are positions by the numbers are there?
If you are going to be picky.....
1. Stewart/Pullen
2. Hoskins
3. Sky Walker
4. Sutton
5. B Easy
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Our SG position is scaring me.
So much so, I'm already missing Lance Harris.
:frown:
I hear Darren Kent can really nail the 3.
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Even in a transition offense, you still have a PG that is going to get the ball on the outlet the majority of the time. Otherwise you have 2 guards going for the outlet pass, and have one lane left unfilled. Not exactly a good recipe.
Surely you've seen a Roy Williams coached team and noticed this?
I'm saying that the guard closest to the ball should get the outlet. Kind of like how Roy did with Kirk Hinrich and Aaron Miles on the floor at the same time. Hinrich got a ton of outlet passes at ku.
If we have two players that can't figure out who's closest to the ball, I think we have serious, serious problems.
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I don't see the problem with having this lineup:
1-Young SkyWalker
2-Stewart/Pullen
3-Hoskins
4-Sutton
5-Beasley
Fixed it for you.
why would bill walker play point guard?
he wouldn't....I don't see where there are positions by the numbers are there?
If you are going to be picky.....
1. Stewart/Pullen
2. Hoskins
3. Sky Walker
4. Sutton
5. B Easy
1. (PG)
2. (SG)
3. (SF)
4. (PF)
5. (C)
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Also, I think Stewart could push the ball more, he just doesn't. Not enough to get fast break points consistently, but enough to get transition baskets.
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Also, I think Stewart could push the ball more, he just doesn't. Not enough to get fast break points consistently, but enough to get transition baskets.
with our S&C coach? who knows? he might impress you come start of the season.
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Also, I think Stewart could push the ball more, he just doesn't. Not enough to get fast break points consistently, but enough to get transition baskets.
with our S&C coach? who knows? he might impress you come start of the season.
I don't think it's his speed as much as BBIQ. Remember Wooly's outlet passes? The rebounder would pivot for three or four seconds until the point guard tapped him on the shoulder and they made a hand off. After that, the point would walk the ball up the court and get across half court with about 27 on the shot clock.
I also liked a point guard standing next to the ball waiting for his shooting guard to throw it out of bounds after every made basket.
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Clent just has more of a conservative, methodical nature. Last season, when we were not a good scoring team, Huggins was trying to keep scores low and keep the tempo down. Clent was the better fit as a PG for that philosophy. Conversely, Young wants to push the ball. I think he'll be the primary point this season because of that. However, Clent will still act a PG on some possesions, as will Hoskins in the half court set. I'm sure they will be able to manage such a radical mid-game shift without calling a timeout. It's mind boggling to think about, but I think they will be able to master this tricky manuever.
:D
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hoskins will not play point at all.
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I'm saying that the guard closest to the ball should get the outlet. Kind of like how Roy did with Kirk Hinrich and Aaron Miles on the floor at the same time. Hinrich got a ton of outlet passes at ku.
If we have two players that can't figure out who's closest to the ball, I think we have serious, serious problems.
I'm a little confused. Is Stewart Hinrich, or Miles?
And even with two players light years better than Young/Stewart, Miles still got the ball the the majority of the time. That's why he has hundreds more assists.
As for Stewart being able to push the ball more, I don't buy it, but I'll go with ya. Dude's a senior, you think all of a sudden he's going to figure it out? Stewart has never demonstrated that he can do that.
Anyway, you know have one guard capable of running your up tempo transition offense. Keep looking. You need a second one.
What you're describing, trying to run a up tempo transition offense with 2 PGs, works well with lower level girls teams, where the athletic differences don't result in ugly basketball when you don't have guards that can play fast and under control.
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hoskins will not play point at all.
:banghead:
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hoskins will not play point at all.
:banghead:
he did a little bit last season...why not? LOL
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I'm saying that the guard closest to the ball should get the outlet. Kind of like how Roy did with Kirk Hinrich and Aaron Miles on the floor at the same time. Hinrich got a ton of outlet passes at ku.
If we have two players that can't figure out who's closest to the ball, I think we have serious, serious problems.
I'm a little confused. Is Stewart Hinrich, or Miles?
And even with two players light years better than Young/Stewart, Miles still got the ball the the majority of the time. That's why he has hundreds more assists.
Yeah, he probably got it after every made basket and 60-75% of outlet passes off misses. That's reasonable with two players with point guard abilities on the floor. My point was they didn't only make outlet passes it to the player they voted point guard during timeouts. Why did you use Roy as your example if we don't have any players comparable to his teams?
As for Stewart being able to push the ball more, I don't buy it, but I'll go with ya. Dude's a senior, you think all of a sudden he's going to figure it out? Stewart has never demonstrated that he can do that.
Anyway, you know have one guard capable of running your up tempo transition offense. Keep looking. You need a second one.
What are you arguing here? If you're just saying KSU doesn't have the personel to run transition consistently, I could maybe buy that.
What you're describing, trying to run a up tempo transition offense with 2 PGs, works well with lower level girls teams, where the athletic differences don't result in ugly basketball when you don't have guards that can play fast and under control.
Huh? It has to be decided on a case by case basis. Obviously, if Akeem Wright is the second guard, you never want him taking outlet passes. I never said you could. But if the abilities are comparable, who cares who gets the ball? A couple good examples would be Chalmers/Robinson, Hannah/Horton, and Augustin/Abrams.
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Yeah, he probably got it after every made basket and 60-75% of outlet passes off misses. That's reasonable with two players with point guard abilities on the floor. My point was they didn't only make outlet passes it to the player they voted point guard during timeouts. Why did you use Roy as your example if we don't have any players comparable to his teams?
I used Roy for two reasons.
1. He ran that style of offense as well as I've seen it run at the college level.
2. It demonstrates perfectly how KSU does not have the personnel to run that offense. <--- My point!
Also, getting the ball after every made basket and 75% of the outlet passes isn't radically different than what we did this past year. If that's what you want out of your 2 PG team, then we've already seen it and it's sucky.
What are you arguing here? If you're just saying KSU doesn't have the personel to run transition consistently, I could maybe buy that.
Exactly. KSU doesn't have the guards to do that well, so it's pretty freaking dumb to recommend doing it.
Huh? It has to be decided on a case by case basis. Obviously, if Akeem Wright is the second guard, you never want him taking outlet passes. I never said you could. But if the abilities are comparable, who cares who gets the ball? A couple good examples would be Chalmers/Robinson, Hannah/Horton, and Augustin/Abrams.
Each of the backcourts you mentioned features two guards that can push the ball under control.
KSU has none currently, but you think Stewart might become one.
Starting to see why it doesn't make sense?
By the way, why do you think Akeem was having to bring the ball up every once in a while? The answer will tell you something about our backcourt.
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I wish Clemente could play this year.
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I wish Clemente could play this year.
I completely agree with you...that guy is good.
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Yeah, he probably got it after every made basket and 60-75% of outlet passes off misses. That's reasonable with two players with point guard abilities on the floor. My point was they didn't only make outlet passes it to the player they voted point guard during timeouts. Why did you use Roy as your example if we don't have any players comparable to his teams?
I used Roy for two reasons.
1. He ran that style of offense as well as I've seen it run at the college level.
2. It demonstrates perfectly how KSU does not have the personnel to run that offense. <--- My point!
Also, getting the ball after every made basket and 75% of the outlet passes isn't radically different than what we did this past year. If that's what you want out of your 2 PG team, then we've already seen it and it's sucky.
What are you arguing here? If you're just saying KSU doesn't have the personel to run transition consistently, I could maybe buy that.
Exactly. KSU doesn't have the guards to do that well, so it's pretty freaking dumb to recommend doing it.
Huh? It has to be decided on a case by case basis. Obviously, if Akeem Wright is the second guard, you never want him taking outlet passes. I never said you could. But if the abilities are comparable, who cares who gets the ball? A couple good examples would be Chalmers/Robinson, Hannah/Horton, and Augustin/Abrams.
Each of the backcourts you mentioned features two guards that can push the ball under control.
KSU has none currently, but you think Stewart might become one.
Starting to see why it doesn't make sense?
By the way, why do you think Akeem was having to bring the ball up every once in a while? The answer will tell you something about our backcourt.
Oh, didn't realize you were talking about KSU specifically.
This sounded like you were talking about basketball in general:
You can have two guys that are able to play PG on the court, but you can only have one guy playing PG on the court.
The fact that so many KSU fans just don't get this floors me.
Randomly switching which guy is running the point isn't a good idea. Substitute for stretches of time? Yes. Leave players guessing which guard is running the point? No.
If you want any sense of rhythm or flow, you'll have one guy be your primary PG, and another guy that spells him during the game. But you don't switch back and forth randomly. Make switches during timeouts, or deadball periods when it can be communicated to the team.
If you're arguing that our guards aren't good enough to run transition, you're probably right (haven't seen what Pullen or Brown can do).
That said, I don't see how throwing outlets to both Pullen and Stewart or Young and Brown or whatever makes our point guard situation significantly worse. I can see how it could give us more transition opportunities, though.
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KSUME-
Who do you see running point? What type of offense and tempo best fits the KSU personnel in your opinion.
FWIW, I also thought you were talking about basketball in general. It wasn't very clear that you were specifically talking about KSU's personelle. I'm not sure I necessarily agree with you, but I think it's a more valid argument.
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1- Stew (23 min) Pullen (17 min)
2- Young (21 min) Sutton (11 min) Brown (8 min)
3- Hoskins (29 min) Sutton (11 min)
4- Walker (29 min) Samuels (11 min)
5- Beasley (30 min) Colon (10 min)
Only question mark i have is who starts at the SG. I think it is a toss up right now between Young and Sutton
Hoskins is not going to start at the 2, play at the 2, or do anything at the 2.
I don't see Young playing PG. IMO, Stew does a better job getting us into our offense. Young can still push the ball and handle the ball some, but i want Stew and Pullen actually playing the "PG spot"
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Stewart on the point, unless Young had some kind of off season miracle.
And I my comments were about KSU and in general. Even in Roy Williams sets, with two GREAT guards, he still had one guy that was identified as THE PG on the overwhelming majority of possessions. Yes, when an opportunity for tremendous advantage arises, you might forego the pass to the PG to initiate the offense, and run the offense through a different guard or even a forward, but this is true of all offensive scenarios.
KSU doesn't have the personnel to run an up tempo transition offense.
The idea that who the PG is changes possession to possession just isn't the way basketball is played at a competitive level. That is how it's played in grade school gyms and at the Rec though.
But hey, maybe Rusty is the Mike Leach of college basketball.
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Success in transition offense is almost as dependent (if not more) on the 4 non PG players as it is the PG. If you have Bennett, Wright, and Cartier Martin on the floor, you aren't going to be very good in transition even if you have TJ Ford at the point.
The idea that who the PG is changes possession to possession just isn't the way basketball is played at a competitive level. That is how it's played in grade school gyms and at the Rec though.
But hey, maybe Rusty is the Mike Leach of college basketball.
We really aren't that far off. We're just choosing to argue extremes.
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Posse, I suspect your numbers aren't bad, except I think Stewart will have more time than that...not having seen Pullen. As for the other talk, you can definitely run if you have two guards who can handle the ball. The third lane is filled by our uber-athletic other players...think Beasley, Walker, Hoskins, and Sutton won't be able to beat most front courts up the court. The secondary break could be huge. And yes, you can use either guard...or even a small forward to bring it up if the break is stopped, but you do use your PG to then set the offense...unless you want pure helter-skelter basketball. See, even a good running team will typically pull it back and set the offense if there is no break, or secondary break available. Where our running advantage comes in best is by pushing the ball to use the athletic advantage of our front court...not in getting our guards looks. The guards merely push the ball to create finishing opportunities for Walker, Hoskins, Beasley and Sutton. If no advantage, run the O and get a quality shot. As for after made baskets, I would really like to see whoever is closest grab the ball through the net, step out of bounds and look for the outlet. If either guard isn't open, let the 3 get the inbounds pass and Stewart or whoever the PG is can come back and get the ball from the 3.
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4ME, you've shown a knowledge of the game, no need to get into some sort of pissing match with Rusty. Rusty has demonstrated more than adequate basketball knowledge over time. I trust his posts about the game as much as anyone on this message board or otherwise.
Both of you are really not that far off of a similar point, though there is a clear philosophy difference. Rusty has long been an proponent that the idea of a "true PG" is way over used, and that is playing into his rationale. Your point that most great teams have a designated PG is true as well though. I think the point Rusty is making though is that there is a difference between "fast break" and "transition". The idea of most fans seems to be "fast break", which is some ambiguous form of basketball where you have a real fast PG and the idea is to get the ball to him on the outlet and he dribbles through tons of traffic for some highlight film dish and dunk. Reality is that doesn't work b/c its too easy to take away, thus the more organized approach of a transition offense which Roy Williams perfected. Yes, there is a primary PG and the ball is going to go through his hands a majority of the time, BUT most good transition teams get the ball up the floor through an organized passing game using lanes on the floor. Not some really fast guy that can dribble really well and create every time. Granted, when you have those guys it makes things a lot easier, which Roy proved by having pretty good PGs most of the time.
Yes, we probably don't have the personnel to run like a Roy Williams coached team, but we have more parts to at least push the tempo than we have in a long time. We will push the ball more, at least that is the plan from what I understand, though who and how we plan to do that I'm not sure. I think we should push tempo some if we can handle; the more touches for Beasley and Walker on the offensive end the better. Clearly from what we know Stewart is not the type of PG that is going to thrive in that, but I think he has the ability to lead some tempo more than he has and more importantly has people around him to allow it with some success. Perhaps it will help Young as well, and I have no doubt he'll be a much better player simply b/c he is not coming in injured and will have a year under his belt. Outside of Frank Richards, most of our JUCO guards have been much better players as SRs than as SOs. I've heard this staff is confident that we can push the ball more based on how the guys are doing this summer, I'm anxious to see if this is indeed true.
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Success in transition offense is almost as dependent (if not more) on the 4 non PG players as it is the PG. If you have Bennett, Wright, and Cartier Martin on the floor, you aren't going to be very good in transition even if you have TJ Ford at the point.
And if you have the greatest posts and wings in the game, but Stewart and Young bringing it upcourt, any attempts to go up tempo will be comedic, but with a tragic ending.
Hey, maybe the both had epiphanies, and will demonstrate something they haven't shown before and it will work.
Everyone wants to be more up tempo, until they see how their guards look doing it. Then all of a sudden the half court set is the winning idea.
fan - I get it, I'm just waiting for the team that doesn't have a true PG to win it all.
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Success in transition offense is almost as dependent (if not more) on the 4 non PG players as it is the PG. If you have Bennett, Wright, and Cartier Martin on the floor, you aren't going to be very good in transition even if you have TJ Ford at the point.
And if you have the greatest posts and wings in the game, but Stewart and Young bringing it upcourt, any attempts to go up tempo will be comedic, but with a tragic ending.
If you had the greatest wings in the game, two of them could share PG duties and you could put Stew on the bench. :)
fan - I get it, I'm just waiting for the team that doesn't have a true PG to win it all.
Gerry McNamara wasn't a true point guard. Quality big men are much more important (and rare).
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How much you push the break is reletive to how much more atheletic you are than other teams. With Walker and Beasley those oppurtunities increase drastically. Obviously, with high level guards, it increases even more, but we don't have those. What you want from your "point guard" is the ability to make the decision if the break is there or not. Get it into his hands quickly let him try to push it and get the ball to a finisher, and if it's not there, be smart enough to back it off and get into the half court. If it's done well, we will look like a fastbreak team against less atheletic teams and look more like a half-court team against the kus and UTs whom have much better guard play. I think from that aspect, both Blake and Clent can be the outlet off missed baskets. If we need to reset and get the ball into the hands of Clent to start a new set... fine. I also see Blake and Hoskins getting some isolation/create type plays with the clock winding down that you would typically see with PGs.
Slowing the game down will play into our opponents hands most times. It would be like more atheletic teams slowing down for us last year. We probably don't want to run and gun with top teams, but you want to bury the lessor teams rather than slowing it down and letting them hang around.
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Pullen and Brown will be big for this team next year.
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I was under the impression that there is probably a happy medium between Bobby Knight's offense and Roy Williams' offense. But apparently, if you don't have Hinrich or Miles, you can't try to get out and run, even a little bit or at slower pace, ever.