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[LickNeckey]

Becasue being a lawyer is just like coaching an offense.  Or playing golf in college is just like being the coach of the chiefs.

dumbass

[felix rex]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

the current ksu staff has gone 7-9 in conference games, so saying "our current program really can't get much worse.  It's like, next to impossible" seems pretty absurd to me. although my starting point for coming to this conclusion is not based on some kind of seven year rolling average of entire bcs only programs (not individual staffs) and contained only between 2003-2010.  

Yeah, I guess I care more about the overall health of the program than Snyder's 2 year conference record with Prince recruits.  I think a 7 year window is a better way to look at things for what I want.  You could use a 5 year window, too.  Results wouldn't change much.

Our 7-year window may be a little misleading compared to others, too. We've basically had sustained mediocrity or just a notch below since 2004. Lots of 5-win seasons.

[sonofdaxjones]

I personally believe that the moment Snyder at coach starts to be a drag on UPKS and ADJC's grand vision, he'll be gone.

Right now, Snyder has the money on his side.

I'll also say once again, I don't not see how Cosh can be retained.   I've seen a lot of crappy K-State defense over the years and this years defense was only surpassed by Tibesar's last season as one of the worst I've seen at K-State in a long time.    During Snyder I, what leapt out to me immediately was that while it was still extremely   at times early on, we still actually looked like we had a clue out there.   We had guys who would hit people, not ankle dive.  We took the right pursuit angles, yeah, sometimes that didn't matter because the other team just had better athletes, and the staff was doing everything they could to play situational/personal matching because we were so short on talent and depth.   We had guys, you know, there around the ball ready to make plays more time than now.  At the end of the day there was tons to be hopeful about . . . I see none of that now, most of the time when the other team is stopped it's because of their own incompetence.   Why did Texas even attempt to the throw the ball on us, everytime they ran power running plays our Front 7 looked like they were just hit by a shockwave from a 10 Megaton Nuclear Explosion.  

There's a lack of talent and a lack of good coaching and right now on the defensive side of the ball we have both.  

[_33]

You know what I care about more than a two year conference record?  The fact that our recruiting class is ranked 11th out of 12 in the conference and our avg. star ranking is 2.25.  Colorado is the only team below us and that's because they only have 4 commits.  No doubt we will be dead last very soon.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Becasue being a lawyer is just like coaching an offense.  Or playing golf in college is just like being the coach of the chiefs.

dumbass

Yeah, I forgot that Mike Leach and Todd Haley got their jobs handed to them by their dads.

[wetwillie]

Becasue being a lawyer is just like coaching an offense.  Or playing golf in college is just like being the coach of the chiefs.

dumbass

Heard it here first guys, Sean Snyder is the next Mike Leach and Todd Haley.

[michigancat]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

the current ksu staff has gone 7-9 in conference games, so saying "our current program really can't get much worse.  It's like, next to impossible" seems pretty absurd to me. although my starting point for coming to this conclusion is not based on some kind of seven year rolling average of entire bcs only programs (not individual staffs) and contained only between 2003-2010.  

Yeah, I guess I care more about the overall health of the program than Snyder's 2 year conference record with Prince recruits.  I think a 7 year window is a better way to look at things for what I want.  You could use a 5 year window, too.  Results wouldn't change much.

Our 7-year window may be a little misleading compared to others, too. We've basically had sustained mediocrity or just a notch below since 2004. Lots of 5-win seasons.

Yeah, I guess some people would rather have our 5 win seasons and new era bowls than Illinois's 3 win seasons and Rose Bowl.  to each his own.

Becasue being a lawyer is just like coaching an offense.  Or playing golf in college is just like being the coach of the chiefs.

dumbass

Yeah, I forgot that Mike Leach and Todd Haley got their jobs handed to them by their dads.

Wait...what?

[bakerman]

Becasue being a lawyer is just like coaching an offense.  Or playing golf in college is just like being the coach of the chiefs.

dumbass

Yeah, I forgot that Mike Leach and Todd Haley got their jobs handed to them by their dads.

Wait...what?

 

[0.42]

Thing is, I'd be okay with keeping Snyder if we knew that:

1. He was going to fire Cosh
2. He was going to bring in some assistants that could recruit worth a crap
3. That he wouldn't run those assistants off within a year or two, and
4. Sean Snyder would not even get a sniff of a coaching staff position

He really can coach his teams to be competitive with talent that should be winning at a level of about what KU achieved this year. It's really, really tough to find coaches who can pull that off. But the thing is, we know that he's not going to do what it takes to help the program ultimately succeed, so keeping him around is really just another drag on the program.

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[pencat]

my thoughts are- if you have someone that i think is good and is already signed up then you get rid of the current staff. if you don't have that person lined up, then i guess i just don't really care. hiring his son would probably tip the scale for me though. 

I don't understand this logic, because our current program really can't get much worse.  It's like, next to impossible.

Oh no?
See the program to the east.

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[michigancat]

Thing is, I'd be okay with keeping Snyder if we knew that:

1. He was going to fire Cosh
2. He was going to bring in some assistants that could recruit worth a crap
3. That he wouldn't run those assistants off within a year or two, and
4. Sean Snyder would not even get a sniff of a coaching staff position

He really can coach his teams to be competitive with talent that should be winning at a level of about what KU had this year. It's really, really tough to find coaches who can pull that off. But the thing is, we know that he's not going to do what it takes to help the program ultimately succeed, so keeping him around is really just another drag on the program.

In all honesty, I would probably be OK with that, too, but he had the perfect opportunity to:

1.  Not hire Cosh
2.  Not hire assistants that would recruit worth a crap
3.  Not run off every assistant with any promise ever

I would have no problem with the current results if recruiting was worth even half of a crap right now.

[_33]

Thing is, I'd be okay with keeping Snyder if we knew that:

1. He was going to fire Cosh
2. He was going to bring in some assistants that could recruit worth a crap
3. That he wouldn't run those assistants off within a year or two, and
4. Sean Snyder would not even get a sniff of a coaching staff position

He really can coach his teams to competitive with talent that should be winning at a level of about what KU had this year. It's really, really tough to find coaches who can pull that off. But the thing is, we know that he's not going to do what it takes to help the program ultimately succeed, so keeping him around is really just another drag on the program.

We KNOW that none of these things are going to happen.  Stop holding out hope that something Snyder has never ever done is going to happen.  You have no hope.  We have no hope.

[Dr Rick Daris]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

the current ksu staff has gone 7-9 in conference games, so saying "our current program really can't get much worse.  It's like, next to impossible" seems pretty absurd to me. although my starting point for coming to this conclusion is not based on some kind of seven year rolling average of entire bcs only programs (not individual staffs) and contained only between 2003-2010. 

Yeah, I guess I care more about the overall health of the program than Snyder's 2 year conference record with Prince recruits.  I think a 7 year window is a better way to look at things for what I want.  You could use a 5 year window, too.  Results wouldn't change much.

Our 7-year window may be a little misleading compared to others, too. We've basically had sustained mediocrity or just a notch below since 2004. Lots of 5-win seasons.

Yeah, I guess some people would rather have our 5 win seasons and new era bowls than Illinois's 3 win seasons and Rose Bowl.  to each his own.

well... I think an 8 year window is a better way to look at things for what I want and i just realized that illinois has no conference championships. Yeah, I guess some people would rather have no conference championships than one conference championship. to each his own.



i'd say what i just typed sounds pretty stupid. you?

[michigancat]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

the current ksu staff has gone 7-9 in conference games, so saying "our current program really can't get much worse.  It's like, next to impossible" seems pretty absurd to me. although my starting point for coming to this conclusion is not based on some kind of seven year rolling average of entire bcs only programs (not individual staffs) and contained only between 2003-2010. 

Yeah, I guess I care more about the overall health of the program than Snyder's 2 year conference record with Prince recruits.  I think a 7 year window is a better way to look at things for what I want.  You could use a 5 year window, too.  Results wouldn't change much.

Our 7-year window may be a little misleading compared to others, too. We've basically had sustained mediocrity or just a notch below since 2004. Lots of 5-win seasons.

Yeah, I guess some people would rather have our 5 win seasons and new era bowls than Illinois's 3 win seasons and Rose Bowl.  to each his own.

well... "I think a 7 8 year window is a better way to look at things for what I want" and i just realized that illinois has no conference championships. "Yeah, I guess some people would rather have our 5 win seasons and new era bowls than Illinois's 3 win seasons and Rose Bowl. no conference championships than one conference championship. to each his own."

i'd say what i just typed sounds pretty stupid. you?

what's the best "way to look at things"?

[kso_FAN]

I personally believe that the moment Snyder at coach starts to be a drag on UPKS and ADJC's grand vision, he'll be gone.

Right now, Snyder has the money on his side.

I'll also say once again, I don't not see how Cosh can be retained.   I've seen a lot of crappy K-State defense over the years and this years defense was only surpassed by Tibesar's last season as one of the worst I've seen at K-State in a long time.    During Snyder I, what leapt out to me immediately was that while it was still extremely   at times early on, we still actually looked like we had a clue out there.   We had guys who would hit people, not ankle dive.  We took the right pursuit angles, yeah, sometimes that didn't matter because the other team just had better athletes, and the staff was doing everything they could to play situational/personal matching because we were so short on talent and depth.   We had guys, you know, there around the ball ready to make plays more time than now.  At the end of the day there was tons to be hopeful about . . . I see none of that now, most of the time when the other team is stopped it's because of their own incompetence.   Why did Texas even attempt to the throw the ball on us, everytime they ran power running plays our Front 7 looked like they were just hit by a shockwave from a 10 Megaton Nuclear Explosion.  

There's a lack of talent and a lack of good coaching and right now on the defensive side of the ball we have both.  

Agree completely dax.  The money for football is good right now, great attendance this year and great bowl attendance considering the bowl/travel.  I don't see any possible way any AD would think about firing Snyder right now.  That said, the AD should be aware of the issues on the defensive side of the ball and with recruiting and making sure those two concerns are addressed by the head coach.  If the head coach refuses to address either, then next year the situation for retension would be very different.

[0.42]

Thing is, I'd be okay with keeping Snyder if we knew that:

1. He was going to fire Cosh
2. He was going to bring in some assistants that could recruit worth a crap
3. That he wouldn't run those assistants off within a year or two, and
4. Sean Snyder would not even get a sniff of a coaching staff position

He really can coach his teams to competitive with talent that should be winning at a level of about what KU had this year. It's really, really tough to find coaches who can pull that off. But the thing is, we know that he's not going to do what it takes to help the program ultimately succeed, so keeping him around is really just another drag on the program.

We KNOW that none of these things are going to happen.  Stop holding out hope that something Snyder has never ever done is going to happen.  You have no hope.  We have no hope.

Did you read the rest of that post?

[_33]

Thing is, I'd be okay with keeping Snyder if we knew that:

1. He was going to fire Cosh
2. He was going to bring in some assistants that could recruit worth a crap
3. That he wouldn't run those assistants off within a year or two, and
4. Sean Snyder would not even get a sniff of a coaching staff position

He really can coach his teams to competitive with talent that should be winning at a level of about what KU had this year. It's really, really tough to find coaches who can pull that off. But the thing is, we know that he's not going to do what it takes to help the program ultimately succeed, so keeping him around is really just another drag on the program.

We KNOW that none of these things are going to happen.  Stop holding out hope that something Snyder has never ever done is going to happen.  You have no hope.  We have no hope.

Did you read the rest of that post?

No, sorry.  Great post.

[Dr Rick Daris]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

the current ksu staff has gone 7-9 in conference games, so saying "our current program really can't get much worse.  It's like, next to impossible" seems pretty absurd to me. although my starting point for coming to this conclusion is not based on some kind of seven year rolling average of entire bcs only programs (not individual staffs) and contained only between 2003-2010. 

Yeah, I guess I care more about the overall health of the program than Snyder's 2 year conference record with Prince recruits.  I think a 7 year window is a better way to look at things for what I want.  You could use a 5 year window, too.  Results wouldn't change much.

Our 7-year window may be a little misleading compared to others, too. We've basically had sustained mediocrity or just a notch below since 2004. Lots of 5-win seasons.

Yeah, I guess some people would rather have our 5 win seasons and new era bowls than Illinois's 3 win seasons and Rose Bowl.  to each his own.

well... "I think a 7 8 year window is a better way to look at things for what I want" and i just realized that illinois has no conference championships. "Yeah, I guess some people would rather have our 5 win seasons and new era bowls than Illinois's 3 win seasons and Rose Bowl. no conference championships than one conference championship. to each his own."

i'd say what i just typed sounds pretty stupid. you?

what's the best "way to look at things"?

i would say that on a scale of 1-100, my way of looking at it would be a 1 (best) and your way of looking at it would be around a 20 or so.  

[michigancat]

I think your scale sucks.

[Dr Rick Daris]

I think your scale sucks.

you are top 25 on my scale though baby! 

[michigancat]

I bet Prince is a 76 or something. 

[MadCat]

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