Old Snyder

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

Well, we've had 2 coaching changes in that time, but here's a list of BCS teams that have done worse from 2004-2010: Ole Miss, Minnesota, Mississippi State, Colorado, Iowa State, Indiana, Illinois, Baylor, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Washington State, Washington and Duke.  Stanford has the exact same record over that time period.  Also, a whole bunch of other mid-major teams have done worse, like Colorado State, Wyoming, Ball State, Miami-Ohio, Marshall, New Mexico, Akron, SMU, Kent, Army, etc.

Just pitching in with some facts.

[CNS]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

Well, we've had 2 coaching changes in that time, but here's a list of BCS teams that have done worse from 2004-2010: Ole Miss, Minnesota, Mississippi State, Colorado, Iowa State, Indiana, Illinois, Baylor, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Washington State, Washington and Duke.  Stanford has the exact same record over that time period.  Also, a whole bunch of other mid-major teams have done worse, like Colorado State, Wyoming, Ball State, Miami-Ohio, Marshall, New Mexico, Akron, SMU, Kent, Army, etc.

Just pitching in with some facts.

How many have done better?

[monumentcat]

If Sean takes the TE coach position, who going to take his very important position doing whatever he does.  Is there another Snyder available to fill Sean's position?  Oh dear, what will happen when we run out of Snyders?

Our football program is a rough ridin' joke.  

[CNS]

If Sean takes the TE coach position, who going to take his very important position doing whatever he does.  Is there another Snyder available to fill Sean's position?  Oh dear, what will happen when we run out of Snyders?

Our football program is a rough ridin' joke.  

Tate.

Dumbass.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

Well, we've had 2 coaching changes in that time, but here's a list of BCS teams that have done worse from 2004-2010: Ole Miss, Minnesota, Mississippi State, Colorado, Iowa State, Indiana, Illinois, Baylor, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Washington State, Washington and Duke.  Stanford has the exact same record over that time period.  Also, a whole bunch of other mid-major teams have done worse, like Colorado State, Wyoming, Ball State, Miami-Ohio, Marshall, New Mexico, Akron, SMU, Kent, Army, etc.

Just pitching in with some facts.

How many have done better?

All of the others.  I believe we are #76 on the list.

[CNS]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

Well, we've had 2 coaching changes in that time, but here's a list of BCS teams that have done worse from 2004-2010: Ole Miss, Minnesota, Mississippi State, Colorado, Iowa State, Indiana, Illinois, Baylor, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Washington State, Washington and Duke.  Stanford has the exact same record over that time period.  Also, a whole bunch of other mid-major teams have done worse, like Colorado State, Wyoming, Ball State, Miami-Ohio, Marshall, New Mexico, Akron, SMU, Kent, Army, etc.

Just pitching in with some facts.

How many have done better?

All of the others.  I believe we are #76 on the list.

Will take those odds any day.

[Dugout DickStone]

If Sean takes the TE coach position, who going to take his very important position doing whatever he does.  Is there another Snyder available to fill Sean's position?  Oh dear, what will happen when we run out of Snyders?

Our football program is a effing joke.  

Sean's wife will have a job in the AD soon.

[OK_Cat]

OB's horse-faced daughter will probably get a gig, too.

[Trim]

To be fair, Sean has the bloodlines of a HOF coach.

HALL OF FAME

[CNS]

I would be Ok with Sean being the Punter coach.

AA.

[steve dave]

I would be Ok with Sean being the Punter coach.

AA.

I could be a punter coach.  Just keep handing balls to the kid and saying, "Again, harder"

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[CNS]

I would be Ok with Sean being the Punter coach.

AA.

I could be a punter coach.  Just keep handing balls to the kid and saying, "Again, harder"

AA

[WillieWatanabe]

I'm one of the more powertarded people on this board(regarding Snyder anyway). And this even pisses me off. If Sean gets moved to TE coach, and we keep Cosh at DC with no regards to a plan for the future. I'll lose it. LOSE IT!!

[CNS]

I'm one of the more powertarded people on this board(regarding Snyder anyway). And this even pisses me off. If Sean gets moved to TE coach, and we keep Cosh at DC with no regards to a plan for the future. I'll lose it. LOSE IT!!

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[AbeFroman]

Currie will hire the next football coach. Not Snyder. The man hired Lane Kiffin and oscar Pearl. You really think he is gonna let LHC Bill Snyder run the show. If he didn't let Phil Fulmer give any input than Snyder won't have much of a say.

It's true he is going to make the hire.  But, he really can't take credit for everything that has happened at TN.  He wasn't the man in charge. 

Luckily he didn't directly hire those coaches, he still needs a "marquee" hire for the resume.

[MadCat]

If the next coach is going to be horrible, at least get someone with some entertainment value.  I say Lou Holtz.

[Dr Rick Daris]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

the current ksu staff has gone 7-9 in conference games, so saying "our current program really can't get much worse.  It's like, next to impossible" seems pretty absurd to me. although my starting point for coming to this conclusion is not based on some kind of seven year rolling average of entire bcs only programs (not individual staffs) and contained only between 2003-2010. 

[ednksu]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

I don't think many of us can handle that truth.

by my count 42 teams have been to BCS bowls.  To say that we are being surpassed by the entire BCS major team system is dishonest at best.

[bakerman]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

Well, we've had 2 coaching changes in that time, but here's a list of BCS teams that have done worse from 2004-2010: Ole Miss, Minnesota, Mississippi State, Colorado, Iowa State, Indiana, Illinois, Baylor, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Washington State, Washington and Duke.  Stanford has the exact same record over that time period.  Also, a whole bunch of other mid-major teams have done worse, like Colorado State, Wyoming, Ball State, Miami-Ohio, Marshall, New Mexico, Akron, SMU, Kent, Army, etc.

Just pitching in with some facts.

All in the process of passing us by, imo.

Also, Iowa St. is getting very, very close.

[EMAWmeister]

To be fair, Sean has the bloodlines of a HOF coach.

HALL OF FAME

BECAUSE THE HALL OF FAME CAN WAIT!

[michigancat]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

Well, we've had 2 coaching changes in that time, but here's a list of BCS teams that have done worse from 2004-2010: Ole Miss, Minnesota, Mississippi State, Colorado, Iowa State, Indiana, Illinois, Baylor, Syracuse, Vanderbilt, Washington State, Washington and Duke.  Stanford has the exact same record over that time period.  Also, a whole bunch of other mid-major teams have done worse, like Colorado State, Wyoming, Ball State, Miami-Ohio, Marshall, New Mexico, Akron, SMU, Kent, Army, etc.

Just pitching in with some facts.

I don't know how you got your list...strict w/l? We have barely qualified for 2 bowls in 7 seasons since 2003, and they are the worst bowls possible.  How have the teams on your list fared?  Have these teams really done "a lot worse" than KSU since 2003?

Ole Miss: has been to 2 Cotton Bowls, had 2 9-win seasons
Minnesota:  has been to 5 bowls
Mississippi State:  been to 2 bowls and will finish the season ranked
Colorado:  been to 3 bowls and won 2 North titles
Iowa State:  been to 3 bowls
Indiana:  I listed these guys.  (note that they have been to 1 fewer bowl than KSU)
Illinois:  been to 2 bowls, including the rough ridin' Rose Bowl
Baylor:  Listed
Syracuse:  Been to 2 bowls.
Vanderbilt:  Yeah, you can have this one, although they did make a bowl.
Washington State:  Listed
Washington:  Just won a Holiday Bowl.  It's close.
Duke: Listed

So you can add Vanderbilt, and possibly Washington.  About 1 school in each conference has been "a lot worse" than KSU since 2004.  

[LickNeckey]

I think that the Sean to TE's freak out thing is a bit of an overreaction.  

Sean has been involved in game planning, practice planning, and special teams coaching for some time.  If you have been to a coaching clinic Sean works with the punters and leads you throught the drill work they engage in.  So he has beeninvolved in on the field coaching on a regular basis for some time.  

It seems the two most logical reasos for this fear are 1) that Sean become HCIW and 2) that this another example of lazy hiring practices.

1) there is no way that Currie or any AD would accept that transition plan
2) if in fact the move is to open up an administrative position for a cuurent staff member to allow Leavit to join the staff i'm all in otherwise it is a bad move

[michigancat]

that's ridiculous. it could get a lot worse. not saying that it should be used as a reason to not make a move, but not at least acknowledging it is kind of absurd.

It's very, very difficult for a coach hired by a competent search to do worse in this day and age.  Look at the BCS since 2003 and tell me who has clearly performed "a lot worse" than KSU overall?  Baylor, Duke, Indiana, and Washington State.  And Baylor is at least clearly heading in the right direction.  It can be done, but it's difficult to do a lot worse.

the current ksu staff has gone 7-9 in conference games, so saying "our current program really can't get much worse.  It's like, next to impossible" seems pretty absurd to me. although my starting point for coming to this conclusion is not based on some kind of seven year rolling average of entire bcs only programs (not individual staffs) and contained only between 2003-2010.  

Yeah, I guess I care more about the overall health of the program than Snyder's 2 year conference record with Prince recruits.  I think a 7 year window is a better way to look at things for what I want.  You could use a 5 year window, too.  Results wouldn't change much.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think that the Sean to TE's freak out thing is a bit of an overreaction.  

Sean has been involved in game planning, practice planning, and special teams coaching for some time.  If you have been to a coaching clinic Sean works with the punters and leads you throught the drill work they engage in.  So he has beeninvolved in on the field coaching on a regular basis for some time.  

It seems the two most logical reasos for this fear are 1) that Sean become HCIW and 2) that this another example of lazy hiring practices.

1) there is no way that Currie or any AD would accept that transition plan
2) if in fact the move is to open up an administrative position for a cuurent staff member to allow Leavit to join the staff i'm all in otherwise it is a bad move

Yes, playing tight end is just like punting a football. This would be a terrible move, if true.