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[captaincrap]

Bill Self on Arizona's Williams:

"I don't think anyone would argue [Williams] was the best player on the court," Kansas coach Bill Self said.

Bill Self on UCLA's Honeycutt:

"He was clearly the best player out there tonight," Self said.

So in their only two games against Big-6 opponents, the best player on the floor was on the other team -- both of which were picked to finish in the middle of the worst BCS league in America.  

[doom]

Dominique Sutton out of control at the last second of tie game against KU  last season? "Good, no call you can't end a game like that" (KU fans).

Mario Little out of control at the last second of tie game for KU this season? "That was a good call. A foul is a foul no matter when it happens" (KU fans).

+1

Sutton was not that out of control. 

[Doberman_CATS!!!]

I think what is killing the UK fans (at least from what I have heard from my UGhey friends) is the media talking about it today. "Last second call allows Kansas to beat UCLA" "The controversial call at the end of the KU game...." "The Great Escape" "Kansas eked by UCLA after a controversial call in the last second." They would have much rather won it in OT by five than winning in regulation on a cac call in the final second, by one.

[Cartierfor3]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/14388482/questionable-call-wrong-way-to-end-classic-battle

CBS has become the go to place for good columns

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't have a problem with the refs calling a foul at the end of the game, but the foul had better be obvious. The problem here is that the ball was loose when the foul was called and the contact was just incidental. I would imagine that if the replay were shown from the other side of the players it would look like Little actually committed the foul.

[CNS]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/14388482/questionable-call-wrong-way-to-end-classic-battle

CBS has become the go to place for good columns

Parrish is pretty good, imo.

[WillieWatanabe]

UCLA is a proud program and they showed up to play in Lawrence tonight.  Arizona did the same in Vegas.  Now it's time for Kansas to learn something from both contests and understand that the best shot is coming every night.

[Cartierfor3]

I think what is killing the UK fans (at least from what I have heard from my U(I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay) friends) is the media talking about it today. "Last second call allows Kansas to beat UCLA" "The controversial call at the end of the KU game...." "The Great Escape" "Kansas eked by UCLA after a controversial call in the last second." They would have much rather won it in OT by five than winning in regulation on a cac call in the final second, by one.

you're giving them way too much credit

[sonofdaxjones]

It's an absolute fact of life that when teams play ku they give it their "best shot" . . . the same teams pretty much just jack around against everyone else.

[Doberman_CATS!!!]

I think what is killing the UK fans (at least from what I have heard from my U(I'm too stupid to find a better word than gay) friends) is the media talking about it today. "Last second call allows Kansas to beat UCLA" "The controversial call at the end of the KU game...." "The Great Escape" "Kansas eked by UCLA after a controversial call in the last second." They would have much rather won it in OT by five than winning in regulation on a cac call in the final second, by one.

you're giving them way too much credit

Toga party? 

[Rage Against the McKee]

It's an absolute fact of life that when teams play ku they give it their "best shot" . . . the same teams pretty much just jack around against everyone else.

This. Why would teams care about winning conference championships/having deep tournament runs when the ku game is the only game that matters, anyway?

[slimz]

I'm glad ku got the call at the end. This is exactly why they lose in the 1st and 2nd rounds of the NCAA tournament so much.

 

The more I see ku choke in the early rounds of the tourney, the more I think there's actually something to this theory. Once they get into a close game where the officiating is more even, they really seem to piss down their legs. Aldrich finally gets called for his hip checks while hedging on screens and all of a sudden they're all  .

It's no secret that good teams and good players get calls during the regular season, but it usually gets more even in the tournament. We've seen it benefit K-State over the last year. I saw calls in our favor last year against Nebraska and Iowa State at home that I used to only see in Allen FieldHouse.

[CHONGS]

I thought it was a good game against a determined scrappy UCLA squad.  KU found a way to win and that's all that matters!

[nicname]

I thought it was a good game against a determined scrappy UCLA squad.  KU found a way to win and that's all that matters!

I said as much on phog.net. 

Just wanted to say congrats on the nice win tonight. Your boys really played hard against a UCLA team that will no doubt earn a share of the PAC 10 title, maybe win it outright. It must be tough getting everyone's best shot like that.

[cork_sniffer]

I don't have a problem with the refs calling a foul at the end of the game, but the foul had better be obvious. The problem here is that the ball was loose when the foul was called and the contact was just incidental. I would imagine that if the replay were shown from the other side of the players it would look like Little actually committed the foul.

I agree but what really happened, that you couldn't see on the replay, was that little caught the ball and Lee hit him across the chest with his right arm and bumped him with his body as he started to go up for the shot causing him to lose control of the ball momentarily.  He then regained possession of the ball and put up the shot.   Probably better off a no-call but the refs missed a bunch of calls down the stretch so it's hard to say that it was a bad call considering it was a foul and they didn't call fouls on two previous shot attempts by the jayhawks that were obvious:

right after the foul from lee:



no calls on made baskets down the stretch:

[WillieWatanabe]

jfc, what's with KU fans and still pictures?!?!

[Sugar Dick]

none of those pictures evidence a foul

[AbeFroman]

jfc, what's with KU fans and still pictures?!?!

masturbation material 

[Scary Smart]

LOL at the guy in the upper right hand corner ready to celebrate a Hawk victory with a face-melting guitar riff.

[cork_sniffer]

none of those pictures evidence a foul

yeah, the tv replay failed to show a good angle on it but the announcers and refs got to see the replay from a different angle apparently as both the tv angle, the coaches and the announcers were shielded from the play as they were behind Little when it happened. 

“I think the replay showed there was a foul (by Malcolm Lee), and I’ve always felt as a coach that the referees need to call a foul the same way in the first minute as they do in the last minute,” former St. John’s coach Fraschilla said.

“While it was a very tough break for UCLA, it looked like it was a foul. To me, it looked like although he (Little) was fading when he got fouled, he started his shooting motion and was smart enough to continue his shooting motion, so the referees gave him the two shots. Remember, UCLA was in the two-shot bonus. It was going to be a two-shot foul anyway so it didn’t matter.”

The officials went to the monitor before sending Little to the line with a chance to break the 76-76 tie.

“The rule is you have to go to the clock to make sure the foul didn’t take place after there’s triple zeros on the clock. It was clear the foul took place before the clock got to triple zero,” Fraschilla said. “Again, it’s a very tough break for the team that gets the foul called on ’em, but it’s part of basketball. When I hear people say, ‘Let the players decide it, not the officials’ ... a UCLA player decided it unfortunately by fouling,” Fraschilla stated.

[Cartierfor3]

none of those pictures evidence a foul

yeah, the tv replay failed to show a good angle on it but the announcers and refs got to see the replay from a different angle apparently as both the tv angle, the coaches and the announcers were shielded from the play as they were behind Little when it happened. 

“I think the replay showed there was a foul (by Malcolm Lee), and I’ve always felt as a coach that the referees need to call a foul the same way in the first minute as they do in the last minute,” former St. John’s coach Fraschilla said.

“While it was a very tough break for UCLA, it looked like it was a foul. To me, it looked like although he (Little) was fading when he got fouled, he started his shooting motion and was smart enough to continue his shooting motion, so the referees gave him the two shots. Remember, UCLA was in the two-shot bonus. It was going to be a two-shot foul anyway so it didn’t matter.”

The officials went to the monitor before sending Little to the line with a chance to break the 76-76 tie.

“The rule is you have to go to the clock to make sure the foul didn’t take place after there’s triple zeros on the clock. It was clear the foul took place before the clock got to triple zero,” Fraschilla said. “Again, it’s a very tough break for the team that gets the foul called on ’em, but it’s part of basketball. When I hear people say, ‘Let the players decide it, not the officials’ ... a UCLA player decided it unfortunately by fouling,” Fraschilla stated.

told you ku fans didn't care how they won

[sonofdaxjones]

none of those pictures evidence a foul

yeah, the tv replay failed to show a good angle on it but the announcers and refs got to see the replay from a different angle apparently as both the tv angle, the coaches and the announcers were shielded from the play as they were behind Little when it happened. 

“I think the replay showed there was a foul (by Malcolm Lee), and I’ve always felt as a coach that the referees need to call a foul the same way in the first minute as they do in the last minute,” former St. John’s coach Fraschilla said.

“While it was a very tough break for UCLA, it looked like it was a foul. To me, it looked like although he (Little) was fading when he got fouled, he started his shooting motion and was smart enough to continue his shooting motion, so the referees gave him the two shots. Remember, UCLA was in the two-shot bonus. It was going to be a two-shot foul anyway so it didn’t matter.”

The officials went to the monitor before sending Little to the line with a chance to break the 76-76 tie.

“The rule is you have to go to the clock to make sure the foul didn’t take place after there’s triple zeros on the clock. It was clear the foul took place before the clock got to triple zero,” Fraschilla said. “Again, it’s a very tough break for the team that gets the foul called on ’em, but it’s part of basketball. When I hear people say, ‘Let the players decide it, not the officials’ ... a UCLA player decided it unfortunately by fouling,” Fraschilla stated.

Anytime you need this much space to explain yourself . . . you've lost.

[cork_sniffer]

none of those pictures evidence a foul

yeah, the tv replay failed to show a good angle on it but the announcers and refs got to see the replay from a different angle apparently as both the tv angle, the coaches and the announcers were shielded from the play as they were behind Little when it happened. 

“I think the replay showed there was a foul (by Malcolm Lee), and I’ve always felt as a coach that the referees need to call a foul the same way in the first minute as they do in the last minute,” former St. John’s coach Fraschilla said.

“While it was a very tough break for UCLA, it looked like it was a foul. To me, it looked like although he (Little) was fading when he got fouled, he started his shooting motion and was smart enough to continue his shooting motion, so the referees gave him the two shots. Remember, UCLA was in the two-shot bonus. It was going to be a two-shot foul anyway so it didn’t matter.”

The officials went to the monitor before sending Little to the line with a chance to break the 76-76 tie.

“The rule is you have to go to the clock to make sure the foul didn’t take place after there’s triple zeros on the clock. It was clear the foul took place before the clock got to triple zero,” Fraschilla said. “Again, it’s a very tough break for the team that gets the foul called on ’em, but it’s part of basketball. When I hear people say, ‘Let the players decide it, not the officials’ ... a UCLA player decided it unfortunately by fouling,” Fraschilla stated.

Anytime you need this much space to explain yourself . . . you've lost.

I used two sentences and quoted an article.  that's too much?  you've lost it. 

[jmlynch1]

64*

[doom]

I don't have a problem with the refs calling a foul at the end of the game, but the foul had better be obvious. The problem here is that the ball was loose when the foul was called and the contact was just incidental. I would imagine that if the replay were shown from the other side of the players it would look like Little actually committed the foul.

I agree but what really happened, that you couldn't see on the replay, was that little caught the ball and Lee hit him across the chest with his right arm and bumped him with his body as he started to go up for the shot causing him to lose control of the ball momentarily.  He then regained possession of the ball and put up the shot.   Probably better off a no-call but the refs missed a bunch of calls down the stretch so it's hard to say that it was a bad call considering it was a foul and they didn't call fouls on two previous shot attempts by the jayhawks that were obvious:

right after the foul from lee:



no calls on made baskets down the stretch:

I saw it and I think what bothers me the most is last year's game in Manhattan was really no different.  Sutton was bumped, then hacked and no call.  Little was hacked a bit, but really it was 2 players going after a loose ball, just go to OT and play it out.