big 12 or big 10/acc?

[WillieWatanabe]

Delaney choked pretty bad. I think i just don't like Matt Painter. I think it's just because he is an uggo.

[WillieWatanabe]

On to watching Duke. I can't get over how good Irving is.

Dickie V is basically blowing his load for him. Pretty understandable with how he is playing atm.

[Stevesie60]

Watching Delaney fall on his face sucked. Don't know why I was pulling so hard either. A lot for RPI, but also because I'm still mad at Purdue for 1998. I don't care what sport it is.

Elites don't sweat RPI

Sorry, not used to eliteness. Duly noted.

[sys]

memphis and arkansas st. to overtime.   

[MakeItRain]

memphis and arkansas st. to overtime.   

Next week we will be hearing about how Memphis is much better than Gonzaga and how they are final four sleepers.

[sys]

Next week we will be hearing about how Memphis is much better than Gonzaga and how they are final four sleepers.

they dominated the overtime.  it was a statement.

[catzacker]

just so everyone knows, I love watching michigan state play.

[Benja]

Damn guys. That Jimmy V speech always gets me. 

[kso_FAN]

Pretty clear Duke used their A game for the OOC in KC...

[nicname]

hey espn3, i can't watch all of these kstate opponents at the same time.

 

Oh but you can....

[sys]

irving is beasley/durant good.

[chum1]

irving is beasley/durant good.

Those guys did it for an entire season.

[sys]

Those guys did it for an entire season.

you didn't know with beasley seven games in?

[chum1]

Those guys did it for an entire season.

you didn't know with beasley seven games in?

That he might have a Durant like season?  No.  That Durant might have a Durant like season?  Unthinkable.

[Benja]

Those were two really good teams. Irving is the perfect pg

[sys]

That he might have a Durant like season?  No.  That Durant might have a Durant like season?  Unthinkable.

ok.  i did.  i think most kstate fans did (beasley, wasn't paying attention to durant).


irving is on the same level.  won't have the same numbers because he's on a loaded team, but he's that good.

[mcmwcat]

i think Irving is better than Beasley    hard to compare and maybe it's just the PG position but I never saw Beasley able to control a game live Irving did against KSU and MSU.

[nicname]

i think Irving is better than Beasley    hard to compare and maybe it's just the PG position but I never saw Beasley able to control a game live Irving did against KSU and MSU.

Irving's game will translate better to the NBA than Beasley's.  Irving is a sure-fire NBA all-star at PG and probable all-NBA type talent.  Beasley was a prototype for dominating today's college game, but for as skilled as he is offensively he is a tweener at SF/PF in the NBA and isn't exceptionally athletic so that puts him at a disadvantage on defense as well.

[chum1]

One 30 point game from Irving and everyone goes nuts.  He's just not even close.

Irving

PPG APG 3P% RPG BPG SPG
14.5 5.8 .409 3.7 0.5 1.5

Durant

SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2006-2007 TEX 35.9 25.8 11.1 1.3 2.8 .46 1.9 1.9 2.0 .473 .816 .404 1.40

Beasley

SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2007-2008 KSU 31.5 26.2 12.4 1.2 2.9 .40 1.3 1.6 2.6 .532 .774 .379 1.50

[Benja]

One 30 point game from Irving and everyone goes nuts.  He's just not even close.

Irving

PPG APG 3P% RPG BPG SPG
14.5 5.8 .409 3.7 0.5 1.5

Durant

SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2006-2007 TEX 35.9 25.8 11.1 1.3 2.8 .46 1.9 1.9 2.0 .473 .816 .404 1.40

Beasley

SEASON TEAM MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
2007-2008 KSU 31.5 26.2 12.4 1.2 2.9 .40 1.3 1.6 2.6 .532 .774 .379 1.50

I don't know why anyone's comparing him to Beasley or Durant, I guess if you really think he's better that's fine, but it doesn't really matter because they are completely different players that play different positions and have completely different roles on their teams. Irving is a rough ridin' beast, though, regardless, and as always, I'm jealous of Duke.

[mcmwcat]

they are being compared because they (irving/beezy/durant) all will have left college after 1 year and all have incredible/unstoppable offensive skills.

irving is averaging 17ppg / 6apg shooting 44% from 3 (and playing shut down defense?).  those are incredible numbers considering he is a freshman in starting 5 w/ 2 other guys who are going to be playing in the league next year.  he's played against really good competition so far: a top 10 ksu team, on the west coast against Altman's junk defenses, and against a incredibly experienced back court from a top 10/returning final 4 team coached by the 2nd best coach in the country.

beasley's first game against comparable competition ended up w/ him by clowned by a gary busey look alike in MSG.

[chum1]

those sorts of caveats are meaningless here.  does irving not benefit from being on a better team with teammates who require more attention from opposing defenses?  of course, he does.

[Trim]

Those guys did it for an entire season.

you didn't know with beasley seven games in?

I def knew by ash wednesday.

If you'd CBEpak'd you'd have met Irving at 3am after the game.

[mcmwcat]

those sorts of caveats are meaningless here.  does irving not benefit from being on a better team with teammates who require more attention from opposing defenses?  of course, he does.

his ability to control a game and abuse the most experienced and talented guards in the country were enough evidence for me.  you were the one that brought up his numbers.

[chum1]

by the numbers, he's not close.  other considerations are bullshit.