Has everyone given up on the cats?

[catzacker]

it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because we're #5, 6-1, only loss to the best team in the country(by far), and further along than we were at this point last year.  You can't go from no expectations to expecting to be the uncontested greatest team in the country in one year without being considered Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)...

we didn't come from no expectations - we finished 2nd in the league last year, had a #2 seed in the tourney (the top #2 seed?), and made it to the elite 8 and return nearly the entire squad, sans Denis.  but feel free to set up straw man after straw man and knock them down.

[pissclams]

I'm not sure what's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  I have high expectations - those expectations are, imo, in line with the returning talent and experience.  we dont' look like the team I expected, yet.  We're close, but not there.

I think we all can agree that Friday will weigh heavily in this debate, no?

one person that doesn't agree?  ken pomeroy, he has us losing the game.

http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Kansas%20St.

^i can't get the link to work

[Harry Dunne]

I feel dumb and dumber after reading two pages of this garbage.

[pissclams]

it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because we're #5, 6-1, only loss to the best team in the country(by far), and further along than we were at this point last year.  You can't go from no expectations to expecting to be the uncontested greatest team in the country in one year without being considered Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)...

we didn't come from no expectations - we finished 2nd in the league last year, had a #2 seed in the tourney (the top #2 seed?), and made it to the elite 8 and return nearly the entire squad, sans Denis.  but feel free to set up straw man after straw man and knock them down.

i feel like we're further along right now then we were at this point last year
so either we started off further along this year and have come the same way (or farther), or we started at the same point, and have come farther.  either way

[sys]

^i can't get the link to work

it's that goddamned period.  pomeroy's known about this issue for four years now and hasn't done a damn thing about it.

[WillieWatanabe]

Zacker,

You are usually one of the most pessimistic posters on this board. Why did you have high expectations this year for the first 7 games?? Are you changing?

Thinking of you,

WW

[bakerman]

it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because we're #5, 6-1, only loss to the best team in the country(by far), and further along than we were at this point last year.  You can't go from no expectations to expecting to be the uncontested greatest team in the country in one year without being considered Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)...

we didn't come from no expectations - we finished 2nd in the league last year, had a #2 seed in the tourney (the top #2 seed?), and made it to the elite 8 and return nearly the entire squad, sans Denis.  but feel free to set up straw man after straw man and knock them down.

We weren't expected to do any of that last year. This year we're expected to win the league and compete for a #1 seed in the tourney, both of which are still very conceivable.  

[pissclams]

^i can't get the link to work

it's that goddamned period.  pomeroy's known about this issue for four years now and hasn't done a damn thing about it.

WARM UP THE ANGRY EMAILS

[Sugar Dick]

I feel dumb and dumber after reading two pages of this garbage.

[CHONGS]

^i can't get the link to work

it's that goddamned period.  pomeroy's known about this issue for four years now and hasn't done a damn thing about it.

You have to know how to link the non lazy pos way.

[Dr Rick Daris]

I'm not sure what's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  I have high expectations - those expectations are, imo, in line with the returning talent and experience.  we dont' look like the team I expected, yet.  We're close, but not there.

it is kind of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that you are mad about curt and jamar not playing much and also mad about how the defense looks and that we haven't run everyone out of the gym. it's kinda like, pick one or other but picking all of them just doesn't make sense because of how much the first affects the second and third. also, thinking that a frank martin coached team was going to look good against crappy teams in novmember means that you haven't watched a lot of basketball over the past four years or you recently had a stroke and lost all of your memories of frank martin coached cats basketball. 

[kso_FAN]

I never give up on Cat hoops. Heck, after 12-4/3-2 in Wooly's last year I still believed, and that was AFTER the Nebraska embarrassment in the OOD.

 This team is easy to believe in, very easy.

[Belvis Noland]

I'm not sure what's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  I have high expectations.

The Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) part is that your expectations have not been met thus far.  Unless your expectations were to go through the noncon undefeated and beat Duke (which is basically unreasonable) you should be satisfied. 

See VaTech and Gonzaga.  Like Pete said, Friday will go a long way in resolving this perspective clash.  Based on how we've played thus far, I see no reason not to expect a W. 

[kso_FAN]

If we lose in Pullman feel free to be ticked, I might even meltdown a little.

[catzacker]

I'm not sure what's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  I have high expectations - those expectations are, imo, in line with the returning talent and experience.  we dont' look like the team I expected, yet.  We're close, but not there.

it is kind of Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) that you are mad about curt and jamar not playing much and also mad about how the defense looks and that we haven't run everyone out of the gym. it's kinda like, pick one or other but picking both just doesn't make sense because of how much the first affects the second and third. also, thinking that a frank martin coached team was going to look good against crappy teams in novmember means that you haven't watched a lot of basketball over the past four years. or you recently had a stroke and lost all of your memories of frank martin coached cats basketball.  

they're related.  how hard is it to get your cac straight off the court when you're a preseason top 5 team picked to win the league?  it's a focus issue.   and because they couldn't/can't, it hinders the process.  i mean, no cac, not having curt  hurts....but that's part of expecting a team with experienced players to act like it. i mean, next thing you know jamar's in an elevator with a girl......

all frank martin coached teams (regardless of their talent level and experience) shouldn't look like the same cac in november.  i think that's absurd coaching.  

[bakerman]

If we lose in Pullman feel free to be ticked, I might even meltdown a little.

+1

[pissclams]

i was hoping this team would be special but it's not.  maybe if frank sits me or something i'll buy in.

you didn't consider last year's team as special did you?

it was special because it was unexpected.  my expectation this year was to win the big 12.  i don't see us doing that.

franks teams get better over time.  they've been this way since he started.  momentum will be built and we will begin to see the glimpses of crap get less and less and the good spots get longer and longer.  december has traditionally been frank's month.

guess what baby!?  it's DECEMBER 1ST!!  WOOOOOOHHOOOOO!!

i don't think that every year, regardless of your talent level or experience, patterns should remain.  the starting point has to be different.  

i don't think you make sense.

i was hoping this team would be special but it's not.  maybe if frank sits me or something i'll buy in.

you didn't consider last year's team as special did you?

it was special because it was unexpected.  my expectation this year was to win the big 12.  i don't see us doing that.

franks teams get better over time.  they've been this way since he started.  momentum will be built and we will begin to see the glimpses of crap get less and less and the good spots get longer and longer.  december has traditionally been frank's month.

guess what baby!?  it's DECEMBER 1ST!!  WOOOOOOHHOOOOO!!

Remember when we lost to OSU in the OOD, and then when we had to play them in KC everyone was like "oh cac" and then we beat them by like 50?

Yeah.

As _FAN has pointed out numerous times, we're further along now than we were this time a year ago.

i'm not sure your point but i've pointed that out too, do i get a kougs cookie?

clams,

what did you think about my "rodkey opening the door..." comment? clever play on words, no?

i thought it sucked and i think you suck and so does your face.  how is that play on words?  clear enough or do i need to clear my throat?

[Bill Clarahan]

I never give up on Cat hoops. Heck, after 12-4/3-2 in Wooly's last year I still believed, and that was AFTER the Nebraska embarrassment in the OOD.

 This team is easy to believe in, very easy.

You did hang on to that loser Wools far too long, I was starting to wonder if you were a long lost son.

Guys, there is no Denis this year.  You can't love this team as much.  It won't happen.   

Hell, nobody liked Denis early last year, and if anyone  says they did they're lying,

[kso_FAN]

We do have several experienced players, but we are also working in several new guys as well.  In fact, we are one of the most inexperienced teams in the league overall. That is part of our growing pains, and is only magnified by Kelly and Samuels missing games.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/stattracker/experience/confs?conf=big-12

[steve dave]

Hell, nobody liked Denis early last year, and if anyone  says they did they're lying,

You can go eff yourself because I loved the little mexican SOB

[kso_FAN]

Yes sd, I remember a few (very few) being on the Denis bandwagon very early last year, but it was a very small group, even at goEMAW.

[DQ12]

Hell, nobody liked Denis early last year, and if anyone  says they did they're lying,

You can go eff yourself because I loved the little mexican SOB

Ahem...He's Haitian.

[kso_FAN]

Case in point...

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=414.msg4938#msg4938

[SuperG]

it's Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) because we're #5, 6-1, only loss to the best team in the country(by far), and further along than we were at this point last year.  You can't go from no expectations to expecting to be the uncontested greatest team in the country in one year without being considered Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)...

we didn't come from no expectations - we finished 2nd in the league last year, had a #2 seed in the tourney (the top #2 seed?), and made it to the elite 8 and return nearly the entire squad, sans Denis.  but feel free to set up straw man after straw man and knock them down.

I've got to get with 'Zacker on this one... there's a slightly empty feeling in the pit of my stomach due the Catz play so far this season. I can't say for sure what's causing it. I think it has something to do with the identity of last years team vs. this years team. I think it's the lack of junkyardiness. Between Dom, Denis, and LuCo, we lost a ton of JYCs... probably the three junkyardiest on the team. This years team has a completely different identity and maybe not much identity to speak of at all. At least not yet.

[yoga-like_abana]

The Denis & Jake 1,2 punch was just to amazing. I miss it so much, it hurts.
Also who on this team is going to cry after a loss in the regular season............WHO?!