Panjandrum, you're on thin ice, mister!

[wabash909]

Your factual analysis of Cosh has the tard nation absolutely incensed.  And fingers are getting itchy...

Burn the place down and cement your legacy with a post identifying Snyder's 11-21 record since 2003 or something. 

I mean really, go out in a blaze of glory!

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Has anyone seen Tan and BClayMoore in the same room at the same time??

[WillieWatanabe]

copy and paste the good stuff?

[Panjandrum]

Your factual analysis of Cosh has the tard nation absolutely incensed.  And fingers are getting itchy...

Burn the place down and cement your legacy with a post identifying Snyder's 11-21 record since 2003 or something. 

I mean really, go out in a blaze of glory!

 

Meh.  I'll probably just slip out the back door.

I'm mortified by the response after yesterday's game.  I figured, surely, the majority of people who watched the Tibesar debacles would say, "Okay, yeah, it really is that bad."  I guess I gave them too much credit.  Apparently, we've got the worst talent in all of D1 (it's bad, but it's not that bad), and all it's going to take is another couple of years of recruiting.

I guess the flaw in their logic is, mainly, the fact that this staff isn't going to blow the doors off in recruiting.  I mean, I'm alright with what they have so far on the offensive side of the football, but when I look at the grayshirts from last year and the commitment list, of the 20 players I have down,  6 of them are on defense.  SIX!!!  This magical infusion of talent and depth is going to come from where exactly?

If the Snyder (Part 2) thing is going to work, two things need(ed) to happen.  One, they needed a HCIW.  They don't have that yet, nor does it look like he's probably going to go out there and get one.  Fail.  Two, Snyder needed to start fresh and surround himself with young, hungry assistants that would infuse the program with energy and recruit and coach their tails off so they could be the guy identified in point one.  Instead, he surrounded himself with leftovers from his old staff, and mainly, it was the bad ones.  Oh, and the best recruiter of the bunch he brought back was Michael Smith.  That's   worthy right there.

I guess the fact that there are a few smart guys in that bunch always gave me hope they'd eventually see the light if enough of them stepped in and said something.  But, as usual, the Sunshine Mafioso jumped in and defended the staff with their 'logic', 'reason', and 'level-headedness' based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence...even in the face of factual evidence.

All of this on the heels of a week where the vast majority of the members of the site seemed to think we are as talented as Duke on the basketball side of things... .

Anyway, I don't think there's anything I can do to go down in a blaze of glory.  The level of 'crazy' there has already set that place on fire, and the owner of the site is just sitting there, twittering, kind of like Nero did when he played his fiddle while Rome burned to the ground.

[Panjandrum]

copy and paste the good stuff?

There is no good stuff.  The actual responses are too depressing.

[wabash909]

You gave them too much credit, Panj.

If yesterday taught us anything it's that we have the dumbest fan base in America.  And by a pretty considerable margin.

[SkinnyBenny]

GPC or kstatefans?

[Kat Kid]

post thread?

[sonofdaxjones]

At most BCS schools, a coaching performance like we've seen out of the defensive staff would have the entire fanbase unified in demanding their dismissal, and probably the dismissal of the head coach.   Not our fans though, as long as OB is calling the shots our "whatever Snyder says is fine with me" bunch of tards will not demand change.

[Kat Kid]

At most BCS schools, a coaching performance like we've seen out of the defensive staff would have the entire fanbase unified in demanding their dismissal, and probably the dismissal of the head coach.   Not our fans though, as long as OB is calling the shots our "whatever Snyder says is fine with me" bunch of tards will not demand change.

I think it is just deference to power in general.  Shirt tucks hated Pay Frank.

[wabash909]

This one's better, KK.

Here the king shirt tuck himself deftly allays the masses as only the king shirt tuck can...

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I'm going to do something a little different and talk about some things I saw this season which struck me as positive and even represented progress in my eyes.

For starters, we won a lot of games where we were out-gained or we played essentially evenly with our opponent in the box score. While total yardage is far from a perfect barometer for program strength, it's worth looking at. Around 2000-2001, I'd posted an analysis on here where I'd mentioned some negative trends following a very long period where our winning percentage analyzed against yardage discrepancies was amazingly favorable. I don't remember the percentages, but when we'd outgained someone by 100 yards or more, we'd virtually always won, and when we'd outgained someone by less than 100 yards, we still had won way more than 50%, and in fact even in games where it we were in the negative 50 to plus 50-yard range, we'd won an excellent percentage. Even more amazing, we were around .500, by my recollection, in games where WE'D been out-gained by 100+. We even had a half-way decent record in games where we'd been out-gained by 200+, which is almost unheard of. I know we beat Texas Tech in 1996 even when they out-gained us huge, and we beat Ohio in 1997 even though they'd out-gained us huge. While you obviously want to ultimately have very few games like that, it is a very good sign when you win those kinds of games because it means you can find a way via special teams, defense, or sheer determination.

Then, starting in 2000 and to some degree continuing to erode through the end of Snyder's tenure, we started regularly losing games where we out-gained our opponent, sometimes even games where we'd out-gain opponents by 200 yards. It was as if we'd gone from having a 10-pt advantage before the game even started to having 10 pts of mistakes we knew we had to overcome before the game even started.

Last year, we started winning some close games like we'd won during that aforementioned long, favorable run. The first was the win in KC vs. ISU, which I felt was a big win, because it felt like the first time in a long time where we won a toss-up game late on persistence and grit.

Coming into 2010, I looked at our schedule and knew that the difference between going to a bowl or not going to a bowl would be whether we could win more games like the 2009 ISU game than we lost. Our conference schedule was pretty unfavorable this year, in fact I think the reason many people picked us last in the North was because our toughest opponents were at home and our "winnable" games were on the road.

Yet we beat UCLA in a "toss up" game, we beat UCF in what is actually a monster win in retrospect, at least by the standards of where our program is at right now (i.e., in the real world), we beat ISU in a game that could have gone either way, and we even found a way to get a couple of blow-outs in there against KU and Texas. Really there were only 2 games I felt we never had much of a shot in (both prior to the game and during the game), and those were NU and Okla St, who I think are both in the Top 3 of the Big 12.

Another positive is that I did not see our team quit. I don't recall a single time this season where it looked like we didn't care for the entire 4th quarter like I'd seen regularly in 2004-2005, and definitely saw quite a bit during the last 2 seasons under Prince. In fact, I can look at games like the MU game and I actually feel like we showed great fight despite several devastating mistakes that you would think would lead to us quitting. I'd even go as far as to say we played as well as MU in that game but blew it with errors. Games at BU and CU were ones where we were not that far off.

That means that even with this incredibly bad defense, we're not that far away. And on offense, I am not seeing anything that leads me to believe that Snyder is not still one of the best. Though I'll admit to being very baffled by the QB situation at times, and occasionally being baffled in general as to what we were trying to accomplish, the bottom line is we did a pretty good job moving the ball despite some very obvious limitations at that position. If we had an obvious upper Big 12 quality QB, we wouldn't even be talking about QB. Hopefully we have that next season but it remains to be seen. I stand by my contention that this offense is only a QB away from being very good, and if we have a good QB and get some better OL play, it can be a great offense.

On defense, things truly seem hopeless, but it's amazing how much things can change for football teams nowadays. I routinely watch teams from all over the country and catch myself saying "I can't believe this is the same program I watched last season". Teams can get that much better or that much worse in what seems like very short period of time. There is nothing keeping that from happening to KSU. I'm not making predictions, I'm just saying we're not doomed to any particular fate just because our defense looked almost unbelievably horrid during the 2nd half of this season.

Leland

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you're on the wrong board.



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All good points in your analysis. Enjoy reading your posts!

Thanks.

If anyone can take good to average talent and turn that talent into winners.....it is LHC Bill Snyder. He may have some weaknesses, but KSU should be very honored at having such a coach at the helm of KSU FB!!!!!

EMAW

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Leland, nice work putting this in perspective.

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Snyder did a great job. We had our top 2 WR's go down our 2nd string RB who also was the leading KR in the NCAA and 2 of our top Offensive tackles out or missed major time. And on top of that we had a QB with limited athletic ability or another QB that couldn't pass and we still put up big numbers all year.

However on defense we had about 3 1/2 games where we were Prince/Tibesar bad. This team could have been 9-3 with even an average defense. Looking back at Baylor we should have won that game. If we get even 2-3 more stops or hold them to a couple FG's instead of TD's. We didn't even put up any type of resistance in that game. And CU gutting us was shameful they just aren't that good. Cody freakin Hawkins!

In big 12 road games we averged 41.3 ppg and we were 1-3! Our lowest point total was 28 at Mizzu and we left the ball on the ground at the 1. The offense has got the job done. Defense has killed this team mostly on the road.



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You can hear me clappin. It started slow and sped up over sometime.

Your a fart smucker.

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Excellent post, Leland. Don't let the detractors trying to draw attention to themselves by dissing your posts get to you. You bring a voice of sanity back to the board. 3dSmile



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Great post!!! Keep up the good work Leland.

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Good work on the analysis, for sure. Where is our offense nationally this year. We put a ton of points up in a number of games.

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Great post. At some point myself and others need to see this program for what it is and not what we remember it being. As I've said in my non game day posts Snyder has done a really good job inching this program back in the right direction.



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I enjoy reading well thought out posts verses the "Fire ......!" shoot from the hip type posts. Thanks.



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God bless u Leland. That was a fantastic break down. I was at the game yesterday. While it was frustrating to watch our D, I was impressed that this team never gave up, always played hard, and finished the game with a W - the most important thing of all.

By the way, kudos to all the KSU fans in attendance. We were loud and about 8-10K strong yesterday.

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We won two more game this year , we are going to a bowl game, which was
the goal all along , considering our defense stunk all year long, the bright side is we get at least 15 practices to improve the defense some and maybe get some of the injured back and work on next year, win our bowl game and we finish 8-5 . That would be great going into next years
team, and i'm sure Coach Synder will not be sitting still long.



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    Originally posted by willie67:
    In big 12 road games we averged 41.3 ppg and we were 1-3! Our lowest point total was 28 at Mizzu and we left the ball on the ground at the 1. The offense has got the job done. Defense has killed this team mostly on the road.



That is an AMAZING stat.

I totally agree with Leland's post. The team is close and Snyder is still an offensive genius. Name another coach that would get THIS team with CC at QB to score that many points?

We all know that QB was a glaring weakness this season, but being over looked is depth...and remember, LHCBS redshirted some players this year in an attempt to help create depth in the future.

I know people are disappointed with the defense (as am I), but I don't think we are nearly as disappointed as Snyder is.



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I agree... I have always looked at the box scores and did a similar analysis. I never put all of the numbers together like that... but I too noticed the trend you pointed out. I further agree that I am a bit baffled by CC over CK... but when we hang up 49 points (I believe the most they gave up all year...) and control the clock, the problem isn't really on that side of the ball. The defense is our issue and it is obvious we need some serious help. That being said if it is true that Leavitt is coming back we take a major step forward. In addition, we pick up Burns at safety to get a very nice rotation there. At corner, if we get our two projected starters back and a juco kid... much better also. I think we are switching back to the 4-3 and even with the addition of AB we need a juco kid to fill in there also. The front 4... well, let's hope some of these recruits / wounded fill in.

If we could just get the defense in the 40 ish range this would have been an 8 win team. I also have been thinking about this schedule change... I am not quite as freaked out as the rest of the board.

If you look at this year as the example... we trade Nebraska for OU.. so we lose either way. We trade TAM for CU and depending if we got them pre or post Jerod Johnson, we would take another close loss, still the same record. We also trade one of our non cons for Texas Tech. I would say trade UCLA for TT and I still think we win. Next year we are looking at probably 2 non con wins and a 50/50 win/loss at Miami. I see 4-5 conf wins if we fix things up. Iowa State, uk, Baylor, TT are all games we will compare very well in. We lose one of those 4 more than likely and be sitting at 5 wins and needing 1-2 wins over the remaining games... not really any different than right now. Instead of one harder non con we picked up one harder conference opponent.

I fully suspect we are looking at 3 easy non cons with a much lower step up value in the final non con. We really just traded a conf game for a tougher non con. It's not like we dominated NU and CU for the last 15 years... we have done just as well against the south teams as we have those two teams in particular so is just doesn't strike me as the end of KSU football as we know it.



I think we trend positive...

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Leland, I have this strong feeling that our offense is going to have the ability to score a ton of points next season. Anything bordering on a respectable defense and we have the potential to make some noise in the "new" Big XII



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wrt CU & NU, LHCBS won exactly three road games (combined) at those places all time in his tenures. We should be able to match that percentage substituting south school venues!



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good read. agree about logic on this whine board. the low number of scholarship players and upper classmen walkons hurt us. I completely agree about how we were fighting to the end. I thot we might have pulled one out in Columbia.



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We are definitely a QB away from having a great offense. I play fantasy football with an Auburn dude and keep telling him we probably win the North with Cam at the helm and possibly the Big XII, despite the horrid defense.

Good points all around, but now it's Snyder's job to address the defense. Will he do it? That will really be the telling part of this 2nd run of his.

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Wow! A breath of fresh air. A well reasoned look at the positive.

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[Dugout DickStone]

The GPC guys call him "Pan"

I had a conversation in the office about 20 minutes ago with a GPC poster and he kept referring to "Pan"

[Panjandrum]

The GPC guys call him "Pan"

I had a conversation in the office about 20 minutes ago with a GPC poster and he kept referring to "Pan"

 

[Dugout DickStone]

The GPC guys call him "Pan"

I had a conversation in the office about 20 minutes ago with a GPC poster and he kept referring to "Pan"

 

You rattled them.

[O-town Kat]

Sounds like Currie should put those honks in charge of marketing our bowl trip. I wouldn't want to do it.

[EuroCat]

This one's better, KK.

Here the king shirt tuck himself deftly allays the masses as only the king shirt tuck can...

I knew our fanbase was Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but to actually have to see it like that.....

We deserve everything we get

[T42YS]

This is precisely why we can't have nice things.

[wabash909]

This one's better, KK.

Here the king shirt tuck himself deftly allays the masses as only the king shirt tuck can...

I knew our fanbase was Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but to actually have to see it like that.....

We deserve everything we get

When it comes to shirt tucking, Lelando is by far the best in the biz.  Dude literally walks on tard GPC water.

[nicname]

I'm having trouble seeing what, other than a more urgent stance on making a change at DC is wrong with that post.  The offense has always been in good hands with Snyder.  In 2004-05 we lost because the defense started to become porous.  In 2010 we lost because our defense had Grand Canyon sized holes in it, most of which came as the result of horrid coaching. 

We need a better DC and an we need that to be able to recruit well on defense.  If Snyder proves in the offseason that he is too stubborn, or unable to deliver on these things then he should be on his way out.  If he proves us wrong and hires a competent DC and demotes/fires Cosh then we are going to be in good shape.

[WillieWatanabe]

Thanks.

If anyone can take good to average talent and turn that talent into winners.....it is LHC Bill Snyder. He may have some weaknesses, but KSU should be very honored at having such a coach at the helm of KSU FB!!!!!

i just threw up in my mouth.

[nicname]

Thanks.

If anyone can take good to average talent and turn that talent into winners.....it is LHC Bill Snyder. He may have some weaknesses, but KSU should be very honored at having such a coach at the helm of KSU FB!!!!!

i just threw up in my mouth.

Some of the reply posts are truly horrid.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2670&t=6786510   <----- another goldmine of putridity

[KSUTOMMY]

Good lord, I wish they'd shut the eff up!!!

[sonofdaxjones]

Typical K-State "just happy to be here" kstateo fans.

[T42YS]

Thanks.

If anyone can take good to average talent and turn that talent into winners.....it is LHC Bill Snyder. He may have some weaknesses, but KSU should be very honored at having such a coach at the helm of KSU FB!!!!!

i just threw up in my mouth.

Some of the reply posts are truly horrid.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2670&t=6786510   <----- another goldmine of putridity

I will fight every last one of them.

[Trim]

Can we call you "Pan", Pan?