Go get him, Currie!

[j rake]

LHC Bill Snyder's record since 2004: 22-24
Snyder's Big 12 record since 2004: 11-21
Snyder's road record since 2004: 4-15 

Snyder's wins since 2004:

D-1AA’s (4)
UMass
Tenn Tech
Missouri St
Western Kentucky

Non AQ's (6)
Louisiana-Lafayette (4-7)
FIU (5-6)
Marshall (4-7)
North Texas x 2 (5-18)
Central Florida (9-3)

Non-con BCS (1)
UCLA (4-7)

Big 12 (11)
Missouri x 2 (12-11)
Iowa State x 2 (12-13)
Kansas x 3 (15-21)
Texas A&M (6-7)
Colorado (3-9)
Nebraska (5-6)
Texas (5-7)

Four of Snyder's 22 wins have come against weak, overmatched D-1AA teams at home. Four wins came against dreadful teams from the Sun Belt—mixed in there is a LOSS to a Sun-Belt team, Louisiana—and two wins came against Conference USA teams. Snyder's team was favored to win all 10 of those games. K-State needed late-game heroics just to beat UCLA (4-7, 2-6 Pac-10) at home.

Of Snyder's 11 Big 12 wins, only two of them came on the road. I repeat, only two of them came on the road. That's two conference road wins in four years for Snyder. The combined record of the Big 12 teams Snyder has beaten? 58 wins, 74 losses. The number of Big 12 bowl teams Snyder has beaten? Three. (And that was KU, MU and ISU.)

Good luck making your first hire, John!

 

[ELL3]

0.00000000 % of Currie or anyone zapping Bill, he is coach until death do us part

[Pete]

0.00000000 % of Currie or anyone zapping Bill, he is coach until death do us part

Currie has shown us that he's not stupid.  You think Currie is going to let football suffer unnecessarily, when that is the measure of "success" in his profession?

[j rake]

If Currie wants to pull an FSU and can Snyder, there isn't much Snyder can do about it. He's already written a book, and I doubt the follow-up—"They Told Me I Couldn't Do It Anymore," with Mark Jannsen—would sell very well.

[CNS]

Currie needs a blast text to players with a private meeting to discuss who's feeling have been hurt lately.

The master was right down river.  Notes should have been taken.

[Dugout DickStone]

If Currie wants to pull an FSU and can Snyder, there isn't much Snyder can do about it. He's already written a book, and I doubt the follow-up—"They Told Me I Couldn't Do It Anymore," with Mark Jannsen—would sell very well.

pffffft 

[ELL3]

0.00000000 % of Currie or anyone zapping Bill, he is coach until death do us part

Currie has shown us that he's not stupid.  You think Currie is going to let football suffer unnecessarily, when that is the measure of "success" in his profession?

with our fanbase extremely :powerespect: if Currie fired Bill we could move our games to Bishop Stadium and not sellout

[MakeItRain]

0.00000000 % of Currie or anyone zapping Bill, he is coach until death do us part

Currie has shown us that he's not stupid.  You think Currie is going to let football suffer unnecessarily, when that is the measure of "success" in his profession?

with our fanbase extremely :powerespect: if Currie fired Bill we could move our games to Bishop Stadium and not sellout

Wrong-wrong-wrong-wrong...Wrong-wrong-wrong-wrong...you're wrong you're wrong

You're fighting pretty hard for this talking point, you sure you aren't one of the tards?

KSU averaged well over 45,000 fans per game RPs last season.  Pretty sure the average attendance was higher in '08 than '05.  The pissed off 5-6K KSU fans in Denton today seemed like they would have been okay with OBz quitting at halftime.

[ELL3]

am not  :powerespect: , but am franktard, realize most $$$$$$$ people think it's OBz program and he can do as he pleases
gotta remember he retired in '05 and was not fired
he is not going anywhere, currie may "coax" some staff shakeup, that would be a step in right direction
not sucking on defense in 2011 would be a nice step

[MakeItRain]

am not  :powerespect: , but am franktard, realize most $$$$$$$ people think it's OBz program and he can do as he pleases
gotta remember he retired in '05 and was not fired
he is not going anywhere, currie may "coax" some staff shakeup, that would be a step in right direction
not sucking on defense in 2011 would be a nice step

I'm going to type this again you clearly missed it.

am not  :powerespect: , but am franktard, realize most $$$$$$$ people think it's OBz program and he can do as he pleases
gotta remember he retired in '05 and was not fired
he is not going anywhere, currie may "coax" some staff shakeup, that would be a step in right direction
not sucking on defense in 2011 would be a nice step

I'm going to type this again you clearly missed it.

KSU averaged well over 45,000 fans per game RPs last season.

  The six or so rich people who have significant money backing the program are insignificant to attendance numbers.  Most KSU football fans are KSU fans and not college football fans.  You're over thinking this son.

[Pett]

Guys, lets be honest. We ARE NOT going to fire LHC Bill Snyder. Let's just hope that he makes the proper changes.

[j rake]

Guys, lets be honest. We ARE NOT going to fire LHC Bill Snyder. Let's just hope that he makes the proper changes.

Snyder has not demonstrated the ability to make "proper changes" since 2004. 

K-State traded in a '78 Tibesar for a crusty, old beat-up '59 Cosh.

[michigancat]

The only proper change he could make is to retire. 

I have to believe that our rich boosters are smart enough to realize that Snyder really sucks as a head coach.  I mean, they couldn't have gotten rich if they were stupid, right? 

[wetwillie]

The only proper change he could make is to retire. 

I have to believe that our rich boosters are smart enough to realize that Snyder really sucks as a head coach.  I mean, they couldn't have gotten rich if they were stupid, right? 

I hope you are right but I think we might be up against

[Pete]

LHC Bill Snyder's record since 2004: 22-24
Snyder's Big 12 record since 2004: 11-21
Snyder's road record since 2004: 4-15 

Snyder's wins since 2004:

D-1AA’s (4)
UMass
Tenn Tech
Missouri St
Western Kentucky

Non AQ's (6)
Louisiana-Lafayette (4-7)
FIU (5-6)
Marshall (4-7)
North Texas x 2 (5-18)
Central Florida (9-3)

Non-con BCS (1)
UCLA (4-7)

Big 12 (11)
Missouri x 2 (12-11)
Iowa State x 2 (12-13)
Kansas x 3 (15-21)
Texas A&M (6-7)
Colorado (3-9)
Nebraska (5-6)
Texas (5-7)

Four of Snyder's 22 wins have come against weak, overmatched D-1AA teams at home. Four wins came against dreadful teams from the Sun Belt—mixed in there is a LOSS to a Sun-Belt team, Louisiana—and two wins came against Conference USA teams. Snyder's team was favored to win all 10 of those games. K-State needed late-game heroics just to beat UCLA (4-7, 2-6 Pac-10) at home.

Of Snyder's 11 Big 12 wins, only two of them came on the road. I repeat, only two of them came on the road. That's two conference road wins in four years for Snyder. The combined record of the Big 12 teams Snyder has beaten? 58 wins, 74 losses. The number of Big 12 bowl teams Snyder has beaten? Three. (And that was KU, MU and ISU.)

Good luck making your first hire, John!

 

I don't feel like Rake has received enough credit for this post....brilliant work.  Should be showcased. 

[AzCat]

Guys, lets be honest. We ARE NOT going to fire LHC Bill Snyder. Let's just hope that he makes the proper changes.

Snyder has not demonstrated the ability to make "proper changes" since 2004 ever. 

K-State traded in a '78 Tibesar for a crusty, old beat-up '59 Cosh.

FYP - at least until you come up with the name of one assistant OB has fired for poor job performance. 

[O-town Kat]

Am not a Kietzman fan but would like nothing more than to hear him blast 'Bill is on the hot seat going into 2011 if he does not turn this thing on its head' on Monday. Good post Rake.

[wabash909]

The only proper change he could make is to retire. 

I have to believe that our rich boosters are smart enough to realize that Snyder really sucks as a head coach.  I mean, they couldn't have gotten rich if they were stupid, right? 

You're giving these people too much credit.  The rich boosters also let the basketball program languish in mediocrity for close to 20 years.

As smart as they may be, there is and always be a large faction of blind loyalists amongst this group that are too indebted to Snyder for the "good years" to ever show any perceived lack of support.  This is the Legends' most powerful manipulation tool and Currie's biggest political challenge.

I'd say this is actually as big or bigger a problem than the pervasive K-State culture of mediocrity which is very real and it runs deep. 

[steve dave]

If LHC Bill Snyder loved K-State he would step away prior to the bowl game to let Leach have some extra prep time for next season

[michigancat]

If LHC Bill Snyder loved K-State he would step away prior to the bowl game to let Leach have some extra prep time for next season

I think he loves K-State, he just loves Bill more.  Like, a lot more.

[j rake]

If LHC Bill Snyder loved K-State he would step away prior to the bowl game to let Leach have some extra prep time for next season

 

[ChiComCat]

If LHC Bill Snyder loved K-State he would step away prior to the bowl game to let Leach have some extra prep time for next season

Could we promise the job to Leach and then have Snyder coach thru the bowl game.  Then Leach could break rules and be dirty and crap for a few months

[CNS]

"a few months"is short sighted imo.

[O-town Kat]

This already feels like the end of the 2007 season...lots of pent up 'better make the right personnel moves because it's not looking good' sentiment. All we need to do is go lose to a limp Miami team ala Louisville and it's 2008 all over again.

[j rake]

One of the big problems I have with Snyder is that he allowed his name to be put on the stadium. It seemed like a cool idea at the time, but in retrospect, I think it hurt the (possible) attractiveness of the K-State job. While most reasonable fans want a new coach, it's going to be extremely difficult to get an up-and-comer who is interested in sticking around for the long term.

Now, it was going to be difficult anyway because it's MHK. I get that. But K-State no longer offers a coach the opportunity to come in and make a name for himself the way Snyder did in 1989. Not when you must drive down LHC Bill Snyder HIGHWAY to get into Manhattan, and not when you have to coach every day at LHC Bill Snyder FAMILY STADIUM.

Who wants to put up with that?

Say what you want about Ron Prince, but Snyder didn't do him any favors. He still made his home in Manhattan and even in retirement was extremely visible on campus and in the community. Aside from a letter to the Collegian, Snyder never once offered support for Prince. And when the idiots called for Snyder to return, you got the impression that he couldn't get enough of the attention, that he wanted to come back and prove to everybody he could do it again. Snyder has an ego, and he does a terrible job of trying to hide it.

By comparison, Bobby Bowden left (was forced out) at Florida State, and has come to accept it, even though he isn't happy about the way things went down. He doesn't live in Tallahassee and has only been to one FSU home game all season, and that's because he was invited as a special guest. "I don't want to be a distraction," Bowden has said over and over. He did write a book, but of course he was going to write a book. He's Bobby Bowden.

LHC Bill Snyder, as good as he is, is no Bobby Bowden.

But if you're the next coach at K-State, it sure feels like it.