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Cire · « **Reply #1800 on:** July 13, 2012, 10:33:12 PM »

OH MY rough ridin' GOD

WillieWatanabe · « **Reply #1801 on:** July 13, 2012, 10:52:39 PM »

Yost has been GREAT with his decisions tonight.

_33 · « **Reply #1802 on:** July 13, 2012, 11:16:18 PM »

Royals players are just losers. It's their mentality. They accept losing.

_33 · « **Reply #1803 on:** July 13, 2012, 11:17:06 PM »

Also, is Alexi Ramirez the ugliest person in the world? Probably.

j-von · « **Reply #1804 on:** July 13, 2012, 11:40:41 PM »

oh boy, if they screw this up

WillieWatanabe · « **Reply #1805 on:** July 14, 2012, 12:10:47 AM »

Is this real life?

kim carnes · « **Reply #1806 on:** July 14, 2012, 12:30:20 AM »

Quote from: _33 on July 13, 2012, 11:16:18 PM

Royals players are just losers. It's their mentality. They accept losing.

Yep. Same is true for their fans.

j-von · « **Reply #1807 on:** July 14, 2012, 12:46:16 AM »

Quote from: kim carnes on July 14, 2012, 12:30:20 AM

Quote from: _33 on July 13, 2012, 11:16:18 PM
Royals players are just losers. It's their mentality. They accept losing.

Yep. Same is true for their fans.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #1808 on:** July 14, 2012, 07:57:22 AM »

Royals fans are just friendly folks who just want to see a good ballgame.

nicname · « **Reply #1809 on:** July 14, 2012, 02:56:01 PM »

That was an incredible at-bat by Youkilis.

j-dub · « **Reply #1810 on:** July 14, 2012, 06:59:04 PM »

That's it.

I'm done with Dayton Moore. I want him gone yesterday. For years he's been telling us to trust the process, that they are building from within.

I just heard him say in regards to Wil Myers, paraphrasing: "He's playing well in Omaha, but he's a young kid that doesn't have many at bats in AAA....He'll be up in time, but what we need to focus on is the big league club and getting wins."

Dayton is a lying and insecure fool. Myers is 21. So were Hosmer and Salvy Perez. Myers has 189 AB's. Hosmer had 98, Salvy only 48, and yet he brought them up. Dayton made a bad signing. He inked Frenchy to a 2 year 13 mill deal, and now he's too obstinate and insecure to admit his mistake. That's the only reason Wil Myers is still in Omaha. Not some BS lying liar crap that 2 seconds on b-ball reference can refute. Not to mention Trout and Harper both had less than 90 AAA AB's and they just played in the AS game at the decrepit ages of 20 and 19. Myers has better AA and AAA numbers than both of them.

That's the same reason he keeps running Sanchez out there every 5th day.. Can't admit a mistake. Can't accept a sunk cost. Can't get out of his own way. If it was really about wins at the MLB level, Sanchez and Frenchy would not be starting for this ballclub. He's a great scouting director, but an absolute failure as an MLB GM.

I hate this.

j-dub · « **Reply #1811 on:** July 14, 2012, 09:02:42 PM »

Quote from: j-dub on July 14, 2012, 06:59:04 PM

That's it.

I'm done with Dayton Moore. I want him gone yesterday. For years he's been telling us to trust the process, that they are building from within.

I just heard him say in regards to Wil Myers, paraphrasing: "He's playing well in Omaha, but he's a young kid that doesn't have many at bats in AAA....He'll be up in time, but what we need to focus on is the big league club and getting wins."

Dayton is a lying and insecure fool. Myers is 21. So were Hosmer and Salvy Perez. Myers has 189 AB's. Hosmer had 98, Salvy only 48, and yet he brought them up. Dayton made a bad signing. He inked Frenchy to a 2 year 13 mill deal, and now he's too obstinate and insecure to admit his mistake. That's the only reason Wil Myers is still in Omaha. Not some BS lying liar crap that 2 seconds on b-ball reference can refute. Not to mention Trout and Harper both had less than 90 AAA AB's and they just played in the AS game at the decrepit ages of 20 and 19. Myers has better AA and AAA numbers than both of them.

That's the same reason he keeps running Sanchez out there every 5th day.. Can't admit a mistake. Can't accept a sunk cost. Can't get out of his own way. If it was really about wins at the MLB level, Sanchez and Frenchy would not be starting for this ballclub. He's a great scouting director, but an absolute failure as an MLB GM.

I hate this.

i will give him credit for alcides though

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1812 on:** July 15, 2012, 03:06:55 AM »

I wouldn't call Frenchy a bad signing because it was only a 2 year deal, and his last season made that worth the risk. DM has done a nice job, but this offseason is going to be critical. This team's woes are mostly due to poor pitching. Let's see who they acquire this offseason.

The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep · « **Reply #1813 on:** July 15, 2012, 11:56:29 AM »

Selig talking about making it mandatory to have a player from the home team in the HR Derby. Way to go, Kansas City. We might change the course of history.

j-dub · « **Reply #1814 on:** July 15, 2012, 12:31:15 PM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on July 15, 2012, 03:06:55 AM

I wouldn't call Frenchy a bad signing because it was only a 2 year deal, and his last season made that worth the risk. DM has done a nice job, but this offseason is going to be critical. This team's woes are mostly due to poor pitching. Let's see who they acquire this offseason.

no. go back and look at frenchy's history. his rookie year is still his best season - by far. he always performs well in a new location at first. but then he tails off and gets traded again. we are talking about a guy with a career OBP of .312. he has supposedly played terribly this year, and yet, his OBP is only a mere .15 lower at .297.

when will people realize that this is frenchy. he's a below average player. period. small market teams cannot afford to give a below average corner outfielder 6.5 mil a year. what's worse is that we had a team option on melky. we didn't need to sign frenchy. we WANTED to. or rather, DAYTON WANTED TO. we should have picked up the option on melky and gotten a bag of balls for frenchy.

imagine if we had melky in right and cain in center to start the year. when cain went down we could have shifted melky back to center and you can bet your cheerios that wil myers would have been manning right field at the k come mid june.. we would have been a significantly better team had the frenchy signing not happened. dayton should have been able to distinguish who was the better player last year and who had the better chance to succeed going forward. melky just won the all star mvp in a giants uni on our field because of dayton's failure.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1815 on:** July 15, 2012, 01:23:24 PM »

Quote from: j-dub on July 15, 2012, 12:31:15 PM

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on July 15, 2012, 03:06:55 AM
I wouldn't call Frenchy a bad signing because it was only a 2 year deal, and his last season made that worth the risk. DM has done a nice job, but this offseason is going to be critical. This team's woes are mostly due to poor pitching. Let's see who they acquire this offseason.

no. go back and look at frenchy's history. his rookie year is still his best season - by far. he always performs well in a new location at first. but then he tails off and gets traded again. we are talking about a guy with a career OBP of .312. he has supposedly played terribly this year, and yet, his OBP is only a mere .15 lower at .297.

when will people realize that this is frenchy. he's a below average player. period. small market teams cannot afford to give a below average corner outfielder 6.5 mil a year. what's worse is that we had a team option on melky. we didn't need to sign frenchy. we WANTED to. or rather, DAYTON WANTED TO. we should have picked up the option on melky and gotten a bag of balls for frenchy.

imagine if we had melky in right and cain in center to start the year. when cain went down we could have shifted melky back to center and you can bet your cheerios that wil myers would have been manning right field at the k come mid june.. we would have been a significantly better team had the frenchy signing not happened. dayton should have been able to distinguish who was the better player last year and who had the better chance to succeed going forward. melky just won the all star mvp in a giants uni on our field because of dayton's failure.

If you look at Melky's career prior to last season, it is every bit as lackluster as Frenchy's. It's not like the Royals locked Frenchy up for 10 years. I have no problem with a team taking short term risks on players who are coming off of big seasons.

nicname · « **Reply #1816 on:** July 15, 2012, 03:19:00 PM »

Quote from: j-dub on July 15, 2012, 12:31:15 PM

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on July 15, 2012, 03:06:55 AM
I wouldn't call Frenchy a bad signing because it was only a 2 year deal, and his last season made that worth the risk. DM has done a nice job, but this offseason is going to be critical. This team's woes are mostly due to poor pitching. Let's see who they acquire this offseason.

no. go back and look at frenchy's history. his rookie year is still his best season - by far. he always performs well in a new location at first. but then he tails off and gets traded again. we are talking about a guy with a career OBP of .312. he has supposedly played terribly this year, and yet, his OBP is only a mere .15 lower at .297.

when will people realize that this is frenchy. he's a below average player. period. small market teams cannot afford to give a below average corner outfielder 6.5 mil a year. what's worse is that we had a team option on melky. we didn't need to sign frenchy. we WANTED to. or rather, DAYTON WANTED TO. we should have picked up the option on melky and gotten a bag of balls for frenchy.

imagine if we had melky in right and cain in center to start the year. when cain went down we could have shifted melky back to center and you can bet your cheerios that wil myers would have been manning right field at the k come mid june.. we would have been a significantly better team had the frenchy signing not happened. dayton should have been able to distinguish who was the better player last year and who had the better chance to succeed going forward. melky just won the all star mvp in a giants uni on our field because of dayton's failure.

Pretty sure that they offered Cabrera 2 yrs, 13 million but he balked and went to SF. Plus, using hindsight on signing Melky over Cabrera is a wash. Cabrera and Frenchy have been pretty much the same player their whole careers. I have no problem with them trading Melky and signing Frenchy. Not to mention that the trade was looked at as positive for the Royals by nearly anyone with an opinion.

The problem lies in the fact that KC continues to trot Frenchy out there every day when he obviously isn't doing it with the bat, but also has shown a much more limited range in the outfield and no speed on the basepaths. I've heard he's been dinged up, but that is more reason to sit him down. This is just another example (see Sanchez) of the organization being stubborn about a past decision moving forward.

If the Royals were smart they would call up Myers. Gordon would stay in left, Cain in Center, and Myers would get the starts at RF. They could send Hoz to AAA and Frenchy could split DH time with Butler, Myers, and whoever is rotating to play first base. Frenchy would also become the fourth outfielder.

Cire · « **Reply #1817 on:** July 15, 2012, 03:48:41 PM »

the biggest issue with trading Melky is the fact that we got absolutely swindled with Sanchez.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #1818 on:** July 15, 2012, 05:10:46 PM »

Quote from: j-dub on July 14, 2012, 06:59:04 PM

That's it.

I'm done with Dayton Moore. I want him gone yesterday. For years he's been telling us to trust the process, that they are building from within.

I just heard him say in regards to Wil Myers, paraphrasing: "He's playing well in Omaha, but he's a young kid that doesn't have many at bats in AAA....He'll be up in time, but what we need to focus on is the big league club and getting wins."

Dayton is a lying and insecure fool. Myers is 21. So were Hosmer and Salvy Perez. Myers has 189 AB's. Hosmer had 98, Salvy only 48, and yet he brought them up. Dayton made a bad signing. He inked Frenchy to a 2 year 13 mill deal, and now he's too obstinate and insecure to admit his mistake. That's the only reason Wil Myers is still in Omaha. Not some BS lying liar crap that 2 seconds on b-ball reference can refute. Not to mention Trout and Harper both had less than 90 AAA AB's and they just played in the AS game at the decrepit ages of 20 and 19. Myers has better AA and AAA numbers than both of them.

That's the same reason he keeps running Sanchez out there every 5th day.. Can't admit a mistake. Can't accept a sunk cost. Can't get out of his own way. If it was really about wins at the MLB level, Sanchez and Frenchy would not be starting for this ballclub. He's a great scouting director, but an absolute failure as an MLB GM.

I hate this.

At least you're being a little more rational and directing your anger towards Dayton instead of Frenchy.

j-dub · « **Reply #1819 on:** July 15, 2012, 05:15:03 PM »

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If you look at Melky's career prior to last season, it is every bit as lackluster as Frenchy's.

Melky's career OBP is .337 and last season it was .339. Frenchy's is .312 and last season it was .329.

Melky has been easily superior at getting on base his entire career. Last year he lost a lot of weight and got in shape and starting hitting for better average and more power than ever before. Frenchy did the same thing he had already done with the Braves, Mets and Rangers.

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Pretty sure that they offered Cabrera 2 yrs, 13 million but he balked and went to SF. Plus, using hindsight on signing Melky over Cabrera is a wash. Cabrera and Frenchy have been pretty much the same player their whole careers.

We had a club option on Melky. Even if he did balk at that offer, we could have kept him and traded him at the All-Star break this year. Imagine what kind of pitcher he could pull right now. The contract talking point is a false choice.

Melky has been superior at getting on base, taking walks and not ringing up huge strikeout numbers. He's a more selective and patient hitter. Frenchy has always been a free swinger; he still was last year. Melky added power to his game last season, and absolutely was a better player last season as well as going forward. No hindsight, I said keep Melky and trade Frenchy last August in this thread.

Dayton's fascination with free swinging, low OBP guys like Frenchy and Yuni really concerns me.. I've lost all faith in him. Our offensive numbers bear it out.

j-dub · « **Reply #1820 on:** July 15, 2012, 05:34:22 PM »

i mean good grief

lol at this loser

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1821 on:** July 16, 2012, 12:38:55 AM »

Isn't j-dub the same guy who said the Chiefs shouldn't take Payton Manning because he costs too much?

Look, the value of good players goes up every year. Frenchy is worth every penny of his contract if he can replicate last year's production in even one of his two years. If he doesn't, he and the Royals part ways after next season. He is far superior to any other outfielder the Royals could go out and sign in free agency for the same price. Myers wasn't ready to start this season day 1. The Royals needed to keep either Frenchy or Melky, and they chose Frenchy. Would Melky have been better? Yes, but there was nothing to point to at the time of the trade to suggest that.

I don't think the Royals are holding on to Frenchy because Dayton Moore can't admit he made a mistake, anyway. I think he realizes he won't be able to get anything for a benched Jeff Francoeur this offseason. I think he doesn't believe the Royals are making the playoffs this season, anyway, so why not just keep Myers in AAA and let Francoeur maintain what's left of his trade value?

8manpick · « **Reply #1822 on:** July 16, 2012, 09:00:30 AM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on July 16, 2012, 12:38:55 AM

Would Melky have been better? Yes, but there was nothing to point to at the time of the trade to suggest that.

Wut?

Quote from: j-dub on July 15, 2012, 05:15:03 PM

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If you look at Melky's career prior to last season, it is every bit as lackluster as Frenchy's.

Melky's career OBP is .337 and last season it was .339. Frenchy's is .312 and last season it was .329.

Melky has been easily superior at getting on base his entire career. Last year he lost a lot of weight and got in shape and starting hitting for better average and more power than ever before. Frenchy did the same thing he had already done with the Braves, Mets and Rangers.

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Pretty sure that they offered Cabrera 2 yrs, 13 million but he balked and went to SF. Plus, using hindsight on signing Melky over Cabrera is a wash. Cabrera and Frenchy have been pretty much the same player their whole careers.

We had a club option on Melky. Even if he did balk at that offer, we could have kept him and traded him at the All-Star break this year. Imagine what kind of pitcher he could pull right now. The contract talking point is a false choice.

Melky has been superior at getting on base, taking walks and not ringing up huge strikeout numbers. He's a more selective and patient hitter. Frenchy has always been a free swinger; he still was last year. Melky added power to his game last season, and absolutely was a better player last season as well as going forward. No hindsight, I said keep Melky and trade Frenchy last August in this thread.

Dayton's fascination with free swinging, low OBP guys like Frenchy and Yuni really concerns me.. I've lost all faith in him. Our offensive numbers bear it out.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1823 on:** July 16, 2012, 09:10:38 AM »

Quote from: 8manpick on July 16, 2012, 09:00:30 AM

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on July 16, 2012, 12:38:55 AM
Would Melky have been better? Yes, but there was nothing to point to at the time of the trade to suggest that.

Wut?

Quote from: j-dub on July 15, 2012, 05:15:03 PM
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If you look at Melky's career prior to last season, it is every bit as lackluster as Frenchy's.

Melky's career OBP is .337 and last season it was .339. Frenchy's is .312 and last season it was .329.

Melky has been easily superior at getting on base his entire career. Last year he lost a lot of weight and got in shape and starting hitting for better average and more power than ever before. Frenchy did the same thing he had already done with the Braves, Mets and Rangers.

Quote
Pretty sure that they offered Cabrera 2 yrs, 13 million but he balked and went to SF. Plus, using hindsight on signing Melky over Cabrera is a wash. Cabrera and Frenchy have been pretty much the same player their whole careers.

We had a club option on Melky. Even if he did balk at that offer, we could have kept him and traded him at the All-Star break this year. Imagine what kind of pitcher he could pull right now. The contract talking point is a false choice.

Melky has been superior at getting on base, taking walks and not ringing up huge strikeout numbers. He's a more selective and patient hitter. Frenchy has always been a free swinger; he still was last year. Melky added power to his game last season, and absolutely was a better player last season as well as going forward. No hindsight, I said keep Melky and trade Frenchy last August in this thread.

Dayton's fascination with free swinging, low OBP guys like Frenchy and Yuni really concerns me.. I've lost all faith in him. Our offensive numbers bear it out.

OBP isn't everything. Prior to 2011, Melky averaged 34.4 extra base hits and 54 RBI's. Frenchy averaged 49.8 extra base hits and 84 RBI's.

8manpick · « **Reply #1824 on:** July 16, 2012, 09:34:35 AM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on July 16, 2012, 09:10:38 AM

OBP isn't everything. Prior to 2011, Melky averaged 34.4 extra base hits and 54 RBI's. Frenchy averaged 49.8 extra base hits and 84 RBI's.

This is true, but Melky spent most of his time batting 1, 2, 7, 8, 9 while Frenchy batted in the 4, 5, 6 spots most of the time. RBIs are very much an opportunity based statistic. Frenchy has nearly 300 more PAs with RISP than Melky, and their stats are very similar in that situation.