The Royals

[wetwillie]

These rough ridin' idiots could have hired CF3 and mocat to run this and saved a pile of money and embarrassment

[Stupid Fitz]

this poll only had 233 votes from whatever twitter users happened to see it, but still. It's so dang obvious

https://twitter.com/_chandler_____/status/1775354143273562589?t=eI3vGNHVYt22Xt4AvmdMOw&s=19

I'm still opposed to giving a dickhead billionaire taxpayer money, but i've talked to multiple people and seen this same thing in many other places. This would have probably passed if they had just stuck with the east village and/or not changed it at the last minute. Seeing money flow to an area that is basically vacant is much more appealing than the Crossroads spot at least to me. Neither is economically advantageous to anyone but the owners, but at least a new area of the city would be built up a bit.

[pissclams]

this poll only had 233 votes from whatever twitter users happened to see it, but still. It's so dang obvious

https://twitter.com/_chandler_____/status/1775354143273562589?t=eI3vGNHVYt22Xt4AvmdMOw&s=19

I'm still opposed to giving a dickhead billionaire taxpayer money, but i've talked to multiple people and seen this same thing in many other places. This would have probably passed if they had just stuck with the east village and/or not changed it at the last minute. Seeing money flow to an area that is basically vacant is much more appealing than the Crossroads spot at least to me. Neither is economically advantageous to anyone but the owners, but at least a new area of the city would be built up a bit.

the crossroads location is the correct location.  increase the density downtown block by block, don’t over complicate it.  this didn’t fail because of the location, it failed because the confluence of other factors related to poor communication.

[Kid In the Hall]

Lucas made a comment at some point recently about not wanting the East Village location because the Royals planned to build some kind of entertainment district adjacent to it. His point was that a new entertainment district would cannibalize some of the $$$ from Power and Light because they'd only be a few blocks away (separated by the interstate, but still not too far away). Given that Power and Light hasn't come close to revenue projections and the city has already spent $150+ million covering its debts, his point is understandable.

And, Sherman referencing the "creative" people at the city convincing them that the Crossroads was viable probably includes Lucas because the odds of this passing if Lucas wasn't in favor would have been even worse.

Regardless, there will probably need to be some major adjustments to the East Village plan for Lucas to get onboard.

[cfbandyman]

East Village makes most sense cause it's 90% parking lots and you're treading on the least amount of toes. It was still a very ill gotten plan but if they stuck it there than it passes like 60-40 and we're not still talking about this. I get why the crossroads was wanted for the density argument but it treaded on a lot of toes. Maybe not directly but the proximity makes it direct

[bucket]

this poll only had 233 votes from whatever twitter users happened to see it, but still. It's so dang obvious

https://twitter.com/_chandler_____/status/1775354143273562589?t=eI3vGNHVYt22Xt4AvmdMOw&s=19

I'm still opposed to giving a dickhead billionaire taxpayer money, but i've talked to multiple people and seen this same thing in many other places. This would have probably passed if they had just stuck with the east village and/or not changed it at the last minute. Seeing money flow to an area that is basically vacant is much more appealing than the Crossroads spot at least to me. Neither is economically advantageous to anyone but the owners, but at least a new area of the city would be built up a bit.

the crossroads location is the correct location.  increase the density downtown block by block, don’t over complicate it.  this didn’t fail because of the location, it failed because the confluence of other factors related to poor communication.

I think the “we’re not giving public funds to billionaires” is certainly a reason some voted no, but as this process evolved, there’s much more at play here to drive the “no” vote.

In addition to a citizenry worn down and betrayed by their county leaders on previous tax issues, the Royals and Chiefs themselves played a massive part in this loss. You have a stadium that is regarded around the game as a jewel that the team’s owner wants to demolish. You have self-imposed deadlines that you miss not by days or weeks but by months. You have concrete cancer in one stadium but not the other. You have businesses that will be uprooted from a beloved arts district. You have an incredibly vague Community Benefits Agreement that was delivered late in the process. Here’s the big one: You have billionaires asking for $2 billion in tax money without presenting a coherent plan for what they are going to do with that money.

“Trust us,” they told the electorate of Jackson County.

“Get bent,” the electorate told them back.

https://intothefountains.substack.com/p/royals-lose-sales-tax-vote-jackson-county?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

Craig Brown is my favorite Royals read. For an out-of-towner, I thought he broke down the poor communication that Clams referenced pretty well.

[Phil Titola]

Lucas made a comment at some point recently about not wanting the East Village location because the Royals planned to build some kind of entertainment district adjacent to it. His point was that a new entertainment district would cannibalize some of the $$$ from Power and Light because they'd only be a few blocks away (separated by the interstate, but still not too far away). Given that Power and Light hasn't come close to revenue projections and the city has already spent $150+ million covering its debts, his point is understandable.

And, Sherman referencing the "creative" people at the city convincing them that the Crossroads was viable probably includes Lucas because the odds of this passing if Lucas wasn't in favor would have been even worse.

Regardless, there will probably need to be some major adjustments to the East Village plan for Lucas to get onboard.

either site doesn't need a ShiPaTown. They are both walkable to half empty P&L.

[Stupid Fitz]

Lucas made a comment at some point recently about not wanting the East Village location because the Royals planned to build some kind of entertainment district adjacent to it. His point was that a new entertainment district would cannibalize some of the $$$ from Power and Light because they'd only be a few blocks away (separated by the interstate, but still not too far away). Given that Power and Light hasn't come close to revenue projections and the city has already spent $150+ million covering its debts, his point is understandable.

And, Sherman referencing the "creative" people at the city convincing them that the Crossroads was viable probably includes Lucas because the odds of this passing if Lucas wasn't in favor would have been even worse.

Regardless, there will probably need to be some major adjustments to the East Village plan for Lucas to get onboard.

either site doesn't need a ShiPaTown. They are both walkable to half empty P&L.

that's why I don't want it in Crossroads. It will end up just being a bunch of shitty chains that people only go to when games are on. Put it in the east and let Guy Fieri open up as many places as he wants around it.

[Spracne]

Hell, just rename the whole district Flavortown.

[Dugout DickStone]

Lucas made a comment at some point recently about not wanting the East Village location because the Royals planned to build some kind of entertainment district adjacent to it. His point was that a new entertainment district would cannibalize some of the $$$ from Power and Light because they'd only be a few blocks away (separated by the interstate, but still not too far away). Given that Power and Light hasn't come close to revenue projections and the city has already spent $150+ million covering its debts, his point is understandable.

And, Sherman referencing the "creative" people at the city convincing them that the Crossroads was viable probably includes Lucas because the odds of this passing if Lucas wasn't in favor would have been even worse.

Regardless, there will probably need to be some major adjustments to the East Village plan for Lucas to get onboard.

either site doesn't need a ShiPaTown. They are both walkable to half empty P&L.

This.  Any $4 to the royals needs to come with restriction about putting up a bunch of crap and forcing everyone to go to PNL.  tossing the PNL a lifeline was absolutely why it was moved.

[sys]

they said it couldn't be done, but here we are (over .500).

[wetwillie]

What is our pod record?

[sys]

we won our first nine game pod.  1-0, baby.

[GregKSU1027]

Thinking of clocking out early and walking over for the Thursday game. Brady Singer smoking the Astros sounds entertaining.

[Cire]

BASEBALL IS FUN RIGHT NOW

[mocat]

Thinking of clocking out early and walking over for the Thursday game. Brady Singer smoking the Astros sounds entertaining.

the downtown baseball dream

[wetwillie]

Small sample size but it appears our starting pitching is actually good.

[Stupid Fitz]

Small sample size but it appears our starting pitching is actually good.

Yeah, hopefully they get the bullpen straightened out before these guys regress a bit. I'm a bit skeptical that this group outside of Ragans is going to lead the league in ERA and quality starts. Really good start to the season though.

[sys]

winners get winningier.

[cfbandyman]

It's against some pretty bad teams but 7-4 and a 5 game winning streak is pretty nice. Win the series tomorrow and the next two series are very winnable against a meh Mets team and awful and previously super swept White Sox. If they are 12-7 or better by the next time they play the Orioles it'll be a nice start to the season

[GregKSU1027]

WE ARE SO BACK


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[Cire]

Last text to my friends after the 9th inning last night "Salvy needs to walk us off"

Then I fell asleep and woke up to Salvy getting a bath!

[DaBigTrain]

WE ARE SO BACK


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eff yeah we are!

[cfbandyman]

This is fun

[cfbandyman]