Author Topic: The Royals (Read 5861700 times)

TownieCat · « **Reply #44475 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:40:08 PM »

Quote from: ChiCat on August 20, 2015, 01:38:15 PM

If we signed Zobrist, we can see what is available on the market for 2B or OF and pick which one to try and upgrade. That would be a pretty nice luxury to have.

That's sounds ideal, but Infante is under contract thru 2017.

mocat · « **Reply #44476 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:40:30 PM »

his OBP is pretty consistently

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #44477 on:** August 20, 2015, 01:46:06 PM »

Quote from: Powercat Posse on August 20, 2015, 01:39:27 PM

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on August 20, 2015, 10:12:47 AM
How many 37 year old baseball players are productive? Zobrist's numbers seem to be on a pretty steep decline. He's still a solid player, but I'm not sure how much longer that will be the case.

A pretty steep decline?? Did you even look at his stats. His ave and OBP right now are the highest they have been since 2009.

2011/2012--- those 2 yrs he ave 20 HRs and 49 2b/3b in about 660 plate appearances
2015-- he has 10 HRs and 27 2b/3b in about 345 plate appearances

Is he a better player now than he was 3-4 years? I don't think he is, but hardly a steep decline.
He doesn't possess as much HR power, but he has shown he can hit a lot of Xtra base hits and his OnBase has been very consistent the last few years.

He also is a lot slower and a lot worse defensively. I was mostly comparing WAR, which is on pace to be about 1/3 of what it was just a year or two ago. He's a good player, but I think he will be well below average 3 years from now.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #44478 on:** August 20, 2015, 03:03:45 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on August 20, 2015, 01:46:06 PM

He also is a lot slower and a lot worse defensively. I was mostly comparing WAR, which is on pace to be about 1/3 of what it was just a year or two ago. He's a good player, but I think he will be well below average 3 years from now.

right, but the hypothetical question is, if his agent is shopping that 3-yr contract, do you pay for that third suck-ass year in order to get two good years of Zob - when we control the majority of our studs in that same 2 year window.

I mean, the answer is obviously hell yes. likewise with Gordon. we know he's looking for a long-term deal. every team knows that at the tail end of that deal he won't be as good as at the front end. but, if you can get 5 years of good Gordo, you're prob willing to deal with 2 years of old man gordo down the road in 2020.

SdK · « **Reply #44479 on:** August 20, 2015, 03:11:56 PM »

Just as long as my guy Gordon gets to finish his career as a Royal. That's all that matters.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #44480 on:** August 20, 2015, 03:21:37 PM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on August 20, 2015, 03:03:45 PM

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on August 20, 2015, 01:46:06 PM

He also is a lot slower and a lot worse defensively. I was mostly comparing WAR, which is on pace to be about 1/3 of what it was just a year or two ago. He's a good player, but I think he will be well below average 3 years from now.

right, but the hypothetical question is, if his agent is shopping that 3-yr contract, do you pay for that third suck-ass year in order to get two good years of Zob - when we control the majority of our studs in that same 2 year window.

I mean, the answer is obviously hell yes. likewise with Gordon. we know he's looking for a long-term deal. every team knows that at the tail end of that deal he won't be as good as at the front end. but, if you can get 5 years of good Gordo, you're prob willing to deal with 2 years of old man gordo down the road in 2020.

There are other options, though, especially if the club likes Mondesi.

sys · « **Reply #44481 on:** August 20, 2015, 03:57:11 PM »

Quote from: 8manpick on August 20, 2015, 11:11:02 AM

dWAR is known to have a lot more noise than oWAR on a season to season basis, and especially for someone moving around to so many different positions, you would expect a lot of volatility. I wouldn't read a ton into that, unless you think he is actually a much worse defender all of a sudden.

just from eyeball testing him - he's pretty bad in the outfield. slow and not great on reads. given how many bad defensive corner outfielders there are in the world, he may be about average - but you compare him to someone like gordon or dyson and it's night and day.

at second, he looks fine. prolly have to look at stats to see how his range compares to others, but just visually, he seems fine.

sys · « **Reply #44482 on:** August 20, 2015, 04:01:55 PM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on August 20, 2015, 03:03:45 PM

right, but the hypothetical question is, if his agent is shopping that 3-yr contract, do you pay for that third suck-ass year in order to get two good years of Zob - when we control the majority of our studs in that same 2 year window.

I mean, the answer is obviously hell yes. likewise with Gordon. we know he's looking for a long-term deal. every team knows that at the tail end of that deal he won't be as good as at the front end. but, if you can get 5 years of good Gordo, you're prob willing to deal with 2 years of old man gordo down the road in 2020.

yeah, they're probably gonna suck anyways in 2018, so may as well suck with an old shitty zobrist if that gives you a better chance to excel in 2016 and 2017.

i don't know what other options are out there at 2nd though. i wouldn't want to overate/overpay zobrist just because he's currently on the team. oh, and i wouldn't want him for the outfield. if he can fill in elsewhere in emergencies, that's great, but i'd only want him if he'd be the everyday 2nd baseman.

TownieCat · « **Reply #44483 on:** August 20, 2015, 04:04:00 PM »

https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/status/634465626413793280

TownieCat · « **Reply #44484 on:** August 20, 2015, 04:08:35 PM »

Since we are facing 3 lefties Orlando is going to have a great opportunity to make his case for the playoff roster this weekend. I hope he rakes.

Gooch · « **Reply #44485 on:** August 20, 2015, 04:08:43 PM »

Quote from: TownieCat on August 20, 2015, 04:04:00 PM

https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/status/634465626413793280

Just fist pumped super hard.

The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep · « **Reply #44486 on:** August 20, 2015, 04:09:51 PM »

everyone shut up about signing players next year and finish your drink

sys · « **Reply #44487 on:** August 20, 2015, 05:26:42 PM »

Quote

Jeffrey Flanagan ?@FlannyMLB 2h2 hours ago
Ned says he hasnt decided if Guthrie makes next start. #Royals

well.

mocat · « **Reply #44488 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM »

The Big Train · « **Reply #44489 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:28:05 PM »

the answer should be a huge 'eff NO'

wetwillie · « **Reply #44490 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:31:49 PM »

Quote from: mocat on August 20, 2015, 06:26:39 PM

Ugh

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mocat · « **Reply #44491 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:35:28 PM »

Duff was scaring me

mocat · « **Reply #44492 on:** August 20, 2015, 06:58:46 PM »

The Boston color guy is irl peter griffin

The Big Train · « **Reply #44493 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:02:31 PM »

holy crap he really is

sys · « **Reply #44494 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:04:01 PM »

Quote from: mocat on August 20, 2015, 06:35:28 PM

Duff was scaring me

don't be scared of dick duffy, mocat.

The Big Train · « **Reply #44495 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:09:54 PM »

sys · « **Reply #44496 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:11:09 PM »

it's ok to be sad though.

bones129 · « **Reply #44497 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:11:32 PM »

This is not Duff's night.

Powercat Posse · « **Reply #44498 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:11:50 PM »

3 two out hits.

71 pitches already

mocat · « **Reply #44499 on:** August 20, 2015, 07:13:03 PM »

Id rather have lost this game with a good duff outing than win with a bad outing

Author Topic: The Royals (Read 5861700 times)

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