Author Topic: The Royals (Read 5915367 times)

kslim · « **Reply #39825 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:16:13 PM »

gotta give a shout to hoyer for sure him and epstein are building a monster

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #39826 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:21:25 PM »

You can definitely argue he's not the best, but you said "you don't think anyone still believes" he's the best. But a large percentage of baseball minds still believe he is with the way he evaluates talent, angles in amateur drafts, trades that build the systems, (farm and big league), free agent pick ups, etc.

Top 3 (to me) still currently in baseball are Beane, Dombrowski and Jocketty. Will hold off on Hoyer as I think he's a product of a combo/Epstein deal.

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #39827 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:22:23 PM »

Quote from: kslim on July 09, 2015, 02:16:13 PM

gotta give a shout to hoyer for sure him and epstein are building a monster

Absolutely.

sys · « **Reply #39828 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:25:00 PM »

every outfield the royals have would have caught that. except for rios.

sys · « **Reply #39829 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:26:14 PM »

no one scored, because the runner thought for sure rios would catch it.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #39830 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:33:00 PM »

Here comes the eye hernia

8manpick · « **Reply #39831 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:33:11 PM »

Quote from: Shooter Jones on July 09, 2015, 02:21:25 PM

You can definitely argue he's not the best, but you said "you don't think anyone still believes" he's the best.

Fair, but whatever.

What do you make of the sustained lack of top end success? Winning one playoff series over 17 years seems pretty damning for "the best", no matter the payroll restrictions.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #39832 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:33:28 PM »

The best GM in baseball right now is Moore.

sys · « **Reply #39833 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:36:26 PM »

c'mon ventura, get through this.

Brock Landers · « **Reply #39834 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:37:24 PM »

Rios always looks like every day in RF is his first day. It's like Yost asked someone to volunteer and Rios said "Sure, I've never played right before but how hard can it be?"

sys · « **Reply #39835 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:38:55 PM »

well eff.

8manpick · « **Reply #39836 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:38:58 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on July 09, 2015, 02:33:28 PM

The best GM in baseball right now is Moore.

Moore: 1 AL Championship
Beane: zippo

Science

sys · « **Reply #39837 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:41:26 PM »

it worked (sorta) but yost shoulda pulled him before he got into that entire mess. yeah, rios and cuthbert weren't helping, but he walked everyone and the balls that were hit were hit pretty well. the royals were lucky to get out of that with three runs.

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #39838 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:42:22 PM »

Quote from: 8manpick on July 09, 2015, 02:33:11 PM

Quote from: Shooter Jones on July 09, 2015, 02:21:25 PM
You can definitely argue he's not the best, but you said "you don't think anyone still believes" he's the best.

Fair, but whatever.

What do you make of the sustained lack of top end success? Winning one playoff series over 17 years seems pretty damning for "the best", no matter the payroll restrictions.

That's almost the whole story with Beane, tho. No one in baseball has been able to win like he has with those restrictions. The way he can keep winning (minus playoff success) with his talent evaluations in the draft, a mix of scouting and analytics, farm system, free agent signings, all because he can't keep a core of talent together due to those restrictions, is unreal.

It's funny, kind of sounds like we're talking about LHC Bill Snyder.

Powercat Posse · « **Reply #39839 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:44:21 PM »

Quote from: sys on July 09, 2015, 02:38:55 PM

well eff.

Yeah, walked in a run, then 2 SF.

Could have been worse, but definitely could have better. Got ahead of guys and then his fastball was all over the place. Needed that big pitch to get a K or ground ball and didn't get it

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #39840 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:45:50 PM »

Quote from: Shooter Jones on July 09, 2015, 02:42:22 PM

Quote from: 8manpick on July 09, 2015, 02:33:11 PM

Quote from: Shooter Jones on July 09, 2015, 02:21:25 PM
You can definitely argue he's not the best, but you said "you don't think anyone still believes" he's the best.

Fair, but whatever.

What do you make of the sustained lack of top end success? Winning one playoff series over 17 years seems pretty damning for "the best", no matter the payroll restrictions.

That's almost the whole story with Beane, tho. No one in baseball has been able to win like he has with those restrictions. The way he can keep winning (minus playoff success) with his talent evaluations in the draft, a mix of scouting and analytics, farm system, free agent signings, all because he can't keep a core of talent together due to those restrictions, is unreal.

It's funny, kind of sounds like we're talking about LHC Bill Snyder.

His team is in last place right now.

Powercat Posse · « **Reply #39841 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:48:22 PM »

Quote from: sys on July 09, 2015, 02:25:00 PM

every outfield the royals have would have caught that. except for rios.

Sys, to be fair, I think you believe no one would ever get a hit to RF if Orlando/Dyson was out there...lol

sys · « **Reply #39842 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:54:15 PM »

salvy!

kslim · « **Reply #39843 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:55:10 PM »

the long ball is back fellas

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #39844 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:56:31 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on July 09, 2015, 02:45:50 PM

His team is in last place right now.

The numbers show they should be pretty damn decent actually (1st in AL in ERA, 4th in BA, 4th in Run Diff). They're just absolutely terrible defensively and dogshit out of the pen. And they have like a .300 win % in 1 run games. So he's got bunch of uncompetitive losers right now, that he'll have to weed out for being TC, FP, etc.

But, you're definitely right.

*messageboarding is hard.

sys · « **Reply #39845 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:56:46 PM »

Quote from: Powercat Posse on July 09, 2015, 02:48:22 PM

Quote from: sys on July 09, 2015, 02:25:00 PM
every outfield the royals have would have caught that. except for rios.

Sys, to be fair, I think you believe no one would ever get a hit to RF if Orlando/Dyson was out there...lol

yeah, but i'm right in this case. it was hit hard, but not far from him. honestly it looked like he didn't really even try. he just decided from the start that he'd play it off the wall.

Powercat Posse · « **Reply #39846 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:57:46 PM »

Quote from: sys on July 09, 2015, 02:54:15 PM

salvy!

No clue why you would throw a fastball there. He already smashed one foul, and was fouling off another one with a good cut. Salvy licking his chops.

sys · « **Reply #39847 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:59:33 PM »

Quote from: Powercat Posse on July 09, 2015, 02:57:46 PM

No clue why you would throw a fastball there. He already smashed one foul, and was fouling off another one with a good cut. Salvy licking his chops.

he probably didn't know that it's impossible to walk salvy.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #39848 on:** July 09, 2015, 03:13:07 PM »

Quote from: Shooter Jones on July 09, 2015, 02:56:31 PM

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on July 09, 2015, 02:45:50 PM
His team is in last place right now.

The numbers show they should be pretty damn decent actually (1st in AL in ERA, 4th in BA, 4th in Run Diff). They're just absolutely terrible defensively and dogshit out of the pen. And they have like a .300 win % in 1 run games. So he's got bunch of uncompetitive losers right now, that he'll have to weed out for being TC, FP, etc.

But, you're definitely right.

*messageboarding is hard.

His team has no leaders. It's the intangibles you can't put a number on that are holding them back. The Royals are in first because of intangibles like "having the most fun out there." Dayton Moore deserves credit for building this team. No other GM could have done it.

Shooter Jones · « **Reply #39849 on:** July 09, 2015, 03:19:17 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on July 09, 2015, 03:13:07 PM

Quote from: Shooter Jones on July 09, 2015, 02:56:31 PM
Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on July 09, 2015, 02:45:50 PM
His team is in last place right now.

The numbers show they should be pretty damn decent actually (1st in AL in ERA, 4th in BA, 4th in Run Diff). They're just absolutely terrible defensively and dogshit out of the pen. And they have like a .300 win % in 1 run games. So he's got bunch of uncompetitive losers right now, that he'll have to weed out for being TC, FP, etc.

But, you're definitely right.

*messageboarding is hard.

His team has no leaders. It's the intangibles you can't put a number on that are holding them back. The Royals are in first because of intangibles like "having the most fun out there." Dayton Moore deserves credit for building this team. No other GM could have done it.

I agree, props to Moore. But also, the A's were the best team in baseball by a long shot at this time last year. It's a long season.

The funny thing, tho? I don't think HCBS is one of the best simply because he's never won the big one. So thinking Beane is the best without having won a World Series is pretty damn silly, but I still do.