The Royals

[8manpick]

Ned is never going to manage that way, and Davis was used in a pretty damn key situation, and he did great.

Yeah, Davis was great, but excusing stupidity because Ned gonna Ned is silly. It was unquestionably the wrong move.

[AppleJack]

Omar Infante, the worst hitter in Major League Baseball, got 5 AB's today. He went 0-5. Ned Yost intentionally put him at #2 in the lineup. Where he would, likely, get more AB's.

This is not the North America I grew up in.

Omar Infante has 2 BB's all year.

Christian Colon, in 91 less PA's, has 3 BB's.

[sys]

Good grief, sys is actually blaming the pitchers, or the way the pitchers were handled today??????? We gave up 2 runs in 11 innings.

they were mostly great.  that doesn't excuse the manager making an asinine move (lack of move) that directly resulted in the tying run.

however bad the offense was, and of course, they were poor, kc likely wins this game if yost doesn't try to prove god knows what to god knows who by not using his bullpen.

[sys]

and i stand by my rios bashing.  he didn't prove he was back in hitting form in aaa, and until he proves that, you are sacrificing a lot of defense for the mere hope of improved offense.

hope isn't a good enough reason.

[kso_FAN]

Good grief, sys is actually blaming the pitchers, or the way the pitchers were handled today??????? We gave up 2 runs in 11 innings.

Putting Frasor in instead of Holland was so stupid. Use your best (Davis, but that's another story) reliever in the most important situation.

Unless Holland was unavailable?

I'm fine with his use of Holland on the road in these situations. My biggest complaint was bringing Madson out for another inning. Granted, he only threw 9 pitches the previous inning, but he sat a long time after we got several runners before Salvy struck out. After he walked 2 straight anyone was going to have trouble getting out of that. I also would've pulled Ventura after his walk. But Cf3 is right, this loss is more about this team's inability to score runs than how Ned managed pitchers.

[sys]

I also would've pulled Ventura after his walk.

don't you like to pretend that stats matter?  at least in other sports.

[8manpick]

On the road from the 9th on, it's more important to pitch your best pitchers when it is tied than when you have a lead. An antiquated obsession with a stat that doesn't mean much is the only reason for saving Holland for some potential future inning when we have a lead. Its asinine.

[kso_FAN]

I also would've pulled Ventura after his walk.

don't you like to pretend that stats matter?  at least in other sports.

Yeah, the numbers you posted are legit. But he also had a low pitch count and was rolling, so I didn't have a big problem with Ned bringing him back out.

[sys]

i mean, this is rough ridin' ridiculous.  you almost never get a decision this easy in baseball.  baseball is mostly about decisions where on the one hand decision a works 30% of the time and decision b works 33% of the time.  this isn't that.  this is as rough ridin' easy as baseball gets and you people are sitting around chewing grass and spitting whatever hayseeds spit going "welp, we shoulda maybe scored more runs, i reckon".

[kso_FAN]

i mean, this is rough ridin' ridiculous.  you almost never get a decision this easy in baseball.  baseball is mostly about decisions where on the one hand decision a works 30% of the time and decision b works 33% of the time.  this isn't that.  this is as rough ridin' easy as baseball gets and you people are sitting around chewing grass and spitting whatever hayseeds spit going "welp, we shoulda maybe scored more runs, i reckon".

I mean I see it, I'm not that upset about it.

[sys]

and was rolling.

_fan, everytime he gets to 100 pitches he's rolling.  he doesn't make it that far without rolling.

[sys]

I mean I see it, I'm not that upset about it.

i know.  it's infuriating.

[Cartierfor3]

sys I agree with you. that was a decision that could've been the difference. but when Ned manages the staff to 11 innings, 2 runs, its hard to nit pick that side of the equation. that's all I'm saying

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The last 30 posts, give or take, are why I rough ridin' hate casual baseball fans. STFU

[bones129]

Rios said Friday that he's still in pain but thinks he can play through it. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

that stupid hand is going to bother rios all season.

[Rage Against the McKee]

On the road from the 9th on, it's more important to pitch your best pitchers when it is tied than when you have a lead. An antiquated obsession with a stat that doesn't mean much is the only reason for saving Holland for some potential future inning when we have a lead. Its asinine.

I'd consider Holland in the situation where there were 2 on, no outs, and Ned brought in Frasor. I wouldn't have him come in to start an inning in a tie game on the road, though. Especially not in a 1-1 game where your team has shown little signs of life at the plate.

[mocat]

guys, bring it in. grab a knee. let's have a little chat about the twins. what makes them good? 

[420seriouscat69]

10,000 lakes

[Rage Against the McKee]

guys, bring it in. grab a knee. let's have a little chat about the twins. what makes them good? 

I'm attributing it mostly to the strange weather we've had in May. I think when things get back to normal and they have to start playing in 100 degree temps, they will fall apart. Time will tell.

[8manpick]

On the road from the 9th on, it's more important to pitch your best pitchers when it is tied than when you have a lead. An antiquated obsession with a stat that doesn't mean much is the only reason for saving Holland for some potential future inning when we have a lead. Its asinine.

I'd consider Holland in the situation where there were 2 on, no outs, and Ned brought in Frasor. I wouldn't have him come in to start an inning in a tie game on the road, though. Especially not in a 1-1 game where your team has shown little signs of life at the plate.

Why? Do you think run prevention is more important when we have a lead, or when we are tied while on the road in the last or extra innings?

[Rage Against the McKee]

On the road from the 9th on, it's more important to pitch your best pitchers when it is tied than when you have a lead. An antiquated obsession with a stat that doesn't mean much is the only reason for saving Holland for some potential future inning when we have a lead. Its asinine.

I'd consider Holland in the situation where there were 2 on, no outs, and Ned brought in Frasor. I wouldn't have him come in to start an inning in a tie game on the road, though. Especially not in a 1-1 game where your team has shown little signs of life at the plate.

Why? Do you think run prevention is more important when we have a lead, or when we are tied while on the road in the last or extra innings?

It's equally important. You know you aren't going to win the game without pitching the last inning, so why not keep your best pitcher rested if you can't score a run?

[8manpick]

On the road from the 9th on, it's more important to pitch your best pitchers when it is tied than when you have a lead. An antiquated obsession with a stat that doesn't mean much is the only reason for saving Holland for some potential future inning when we have a lead. Its asinine.

I'd consider Holland in the situation where there were 2 on, no outs, and Ned brought in Frasor. I wouldn't have him come in to start an inning in a tie game on the road, though. Especially not in a 1-1 game where your team has shown little signs of life at the plate.

Why? Do you think run prevention is more important when we have a lead, or when we are tied while on the road in the last or extra innings?

It's equally important. You know you aren't going to win the game without pitching the last inning, so why not keep your best pitcher rested if you can't score a run?

Holland has thrown 28 pitches in the last two weeks, he had the previous and next days off, and if anything, could use the work.

Aside from that, it is not equally important.  If it is tied, one run allowed loses the game immediately.  You shouldn't save your best pitcher for a hypothetical future situation where you have a lead.  If some lessor pitcher gives up a run when we have a lead, then the game continues and there is still a chance to win.  The leverage is unquestionably higher in the tie game, and you know that situation already exists.

[The Big Train]

off day 

[Dr Rick Daris]

off day 

seriously? i immediately feel like throwing something.