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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2050 on: August 24, 2012, 02:34:18 PM »
Yesterday bitb was going on and on about somebody writing a letter to the editor (I assumed in the star) about getting new owners and raising $5K or something on the internet, anyone hear or see anything, I looked on the star's site but came up with nothing

http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/-/11664182/16237156/-/l7q7spz/-/index.html

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« Reply #2051 on: August 24, 2012, 02:51:12 PM »
Yesterday bitb was going on and on about somebody writing a letter to the editor (I assumed in the star) about getting new owners and raising $5K or something on the internet, anyone hear or see anything, I looked on the star's site but came up with nothing

http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-city/-/11664182/16237156/-/l7q7spz/-/index.html

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2052 on: August 29, 2012, 05:42:09 PM »
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2053 on: August 31, 2012, 02:20:33 PM »
j-dub revived this discussion in the chiefs thread, so here's the stats through August:

month   era    avg/ops    runs/game    win%

april:  4.58    .263/.747   3.95      .286 <--- average hitting/scoring month + 2nd worst pitching month = 2nd worst win%

may:  4.07    .259/.702   4.18      .536 <--- average hitting/better scoring month + much better pitching month = 2nd best win%

june:  3.95   .266/.711    3.78      .519  <--- worst scoring month + good pitching = winning record & 3rd best win%

july:  5.58    .283/.751    4.65      .269  <--- best hitting and scoring month + worst pitching month = worst win%

aug:  3.30    .263/.703   4.11       .607 <--- average hitting/scoring month + best pitching month = best win%

I'm not saying hitting doesn't matter, I'm saying there is a DIRECT CORRELATION in the data from ERA to win%, almost regardless of offensive performance.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2054 on: August 31, 2012, 02:36:36 PM »
j-dub revived this discussion in the chiefs thread, so here's the stats through August:

month   era    avg/ops    runs/game    win%

april:  4.58    .263/.747   3.95      .286 <--- average hitting/scoring month + 2nd worst pitching month = 2nd worst win%

may:  4.07    .259/.702   4.18      .536 <--- average hitting/better scoring month + much better pitching month = 2nd best win%

june:  3.95   .266/.711    3.78      .519  <--- worst scoring month + good pitching = winning record & 3rd best win%

july:  5.58    .283/.751    4.65      .269  <--- best hitting and scoring month + worst pitching month = worst win%

aug:  3.30    .263/.703   4.11       .607 <--- average hitting/scoring month + best pitching month = best win%

I'm not saying hitting doesn't matter, I'm saying there is a DIRECT CORRELATION in the data from ERA to win%, almost regardless of offensive performance.

of course pitching is important 1908cat. it's the most important factor for a winning ballclub.

you tried to defend the indefensible jeff francoeur by saying the royals pitching has been worse than the royals hitting.

you didn't make a coherent argument or any damn sense.

of course the pitching is a huge problem. and the same people in charge of putting a rotation together are the same people deciding frenchy should be our RF. that's why it's okay to have a huge problem with both.

the argument was not royals pitching vs hitting, but rather the complete and utter ineptitude of one jeff francoeur, who due to a dumbass contract from a mancrushing dumbass gm, is untradeable, unbenchable (according to our resident dumbasses in charge) and uncuttable. which leaves one of our 25 best players down in AAA.

it's okay to admit both things. frenchy sucks and pitching is the biggest reason we have lost a lot of games.

go ahead 1908cat. try it.
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2055 on: August 31, 2012, 02:43:34 PM »
j-dub revived this discussion in the chiefs thread, so here's the stats through August:

month   era    avg/ops    runs/game    win%

april:  4.58    .263/.747   3.95      .286 <--- average hitting/scoring month + 2nd worst pitching month = 2nd worst win%

may:  4.07    .259/.702   4.18      .536 <--- average hitting/better scoring month + much better pitching month = 2nd best win%

june:  3.95   .266/.711    3.78      .519  <--- worst scoring month + good pitching = winning record & 3rd best win%

july:  5.58    .283/.751    4.65      .269  <--- best hitting and scoring month + worst pitching month = worst win%

aug:  3.30    .263/.703   4.11       .607 <--- average hitting/scoring month + best pitching month = best win%

I'm not saying hitting doesn't matter, I'm saying there is a DIRECT CORRELATION in the data from ERA to win%, almost regardless of offensive performance.

of course pitching is important 1908cat. it's the most important factor for a winning ballclub.

you tried to defend the indefensible jeff francoeur by saying the royals pitching has been worse than the royals hitting.

you didn't make a coherent argument or any damn sense.

of course the pitching is a huge problem. and the same people in charge of putting a rotation together are the same people deciding frenchy should be our RF. that's why it's okay to have a huge problem with both.

the argument was not royals pitching vs hitting, but rather the complete and utter ineptitude of one jeff francoeur, who due to a dumbass contract from a mancrushing dumbass gm, is untradeable, unbenchable (according to our resident dumbasses in charge) and uncuttable. which leaves one of our 25 best players down in AAA.

it's okay to admit both things. frenchy sucks and pitching is the biggest reason we have lost a lot of games.

go ahead 1908cat. try it.

this is 1000% true. i just choose to get more worked up about what lost us a bunch of games. to each his own though i guess

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2056 on: August 31, 2012, 04:01:41 PM »
Barring a July like September, this has been a pretty good season considering the pitching situation lots to be excited about for thenext threE years

It makes me feel pretty sheepish, but I agree.  This team results have been as better pretty much all around this season. 
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2057 on: September 02, 2012, 11:08:39 AM »
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2058 on: September 04, 2012, 11:43:33 AM »
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/awards/player-of-the-year/2012/2614000.html

Meanwhile I doubt Frenchy would start for a minor league team...

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2059 on: September 04, 2012, 11:53:23 AM »
Has he been called up yet?  Seems like some dude I've never heard of was playing RF last time I watched a game...  No idea why they wouldnt give Myers some ABs.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2060 on: September 04, 2012, 11:54:36 AM »
At least Frenchy hasn't been playing as much. But yeah, they apparently think Myers isn't ready or some crap.
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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2061 on: September 04, 2012, 01:31:14 PM »
This year may turn out to be the most empty 2 position improvement in division finish in the history of baseball.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2062 on: September 04, 2012, 09:45:11 PM »
Has he been called up yet?  Seems like some dude I've never heard of was playing RF last time I watched a game...  No idea why they wouldnt give Myers some ABs.

david lough got called up. solid player, probably a 4th outfielder ideally.

but yeah... no will. i can't even let myself think about it anymore. i might explode.
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« Reply #2063 on: September 04, 2012, 11:16:45 PM »
The announcers tonight alluded to waiting untl after Omaha's playoffs are done.  Also, they showed the last 5 minor league players of the year- Justin Upton, David Price, Jason Heywood, Jeremy Hellickson, and Paul Goldschmidt.  Nice company.  Hell, 90% of the dudes who have ever won it went on to have very productive careers.  (Also, Andruw Jones actually won it twice.  Wasnt that dude in the majors at 19?)

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2064 on: September 06, 2012, 10:10:54 PM »
Loser Ned Yost loses another game for the Royals.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2065 on: September 11, 2012, 03:04:49 AM »
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/10/3807643/royals-are-convinced-hochevar.html


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Pitching coach Dave Eiland sees, in Hochevar, a pitcher “who is starting to figure some things out,” and who is “making strides” while stressing “the growing process is over now; it’s time to go out there and be consistent.”

Really? Is he? This is the biggest reason we won't succeed under the DM regime. When is enough enough? We already played this game with Kyle Davies. To an extent we're playing it with Francoeur. DM and his minions just can't admit when they make a mistake. The MLB Draft is far from an exact science. 1st round draft picks don't all pan out. It's okay. It's part of the game. But to trot him out to the mound every five days for five years, getting the results he's given us, and now we're still saying "he's almost there" when his numbers are ungodly is an insult to us as fans. He's due for arbitration next year and we're looking at around $5 million. $5 million that could be put towards real free agent proven talent. I don't know why get surprised and/or upset anymore.

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Re: The Royals
« Reply #2067 on: September 16, 2012, 01:27:51 PM »
oh wow

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Remember the morons defending him?  Yeah.  They should not get to discuss things in this thrad any more.

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« Reply #2068 on: September 17, 2012, 08:40:38 AM »
oh wow

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Remember the morons defending him?  Yeah.  They should not get to discuss things in this thrad any more.

mocat said he wasn't the problem. i tried to tell mocat. mocat didn't want to listen.
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« Reply #2069 on: September 17, 2012, 08:44:14 AM »
I wouldn't say Frenchy was THE problem, but he was one of the biggest problems on a long list of significant issues.

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« Reply #2070 on: September 17, 2012, 10:26:07 AM »
oh wow

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Remember the morons defending him?  Yeah.  They should not get to discuss things in this thrad any more.

mocat said he wasn't the problem. i tried to tell mocat. mocat didn't want to listen.

Still not the problem. He's just the worst player in MLB. The worst pitching staff in MLB is the problem. What I said was don't waste your anger/hate at Frenchy when there is a much bigger problem to get angry/hateful about.

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« Reply #2071 on: September 19, 2012, 05:56:29 PM »
I might be luking the crap out of this, but this is a Request For Proposals sent out by the Royals to advertising firms in Kansas City.  As Kietz reported, the Royals are not using the same marketing firm that came up with "Our Time," and are "on the market" for a new ad agency.  It's an infuriating document in which the Royals admit they suck, and have sucked for a long time.

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The Kansas City Royals find themselves in a unique and challenging situation entering the 2013
season. Considered the model franchise from the late 1970’s into the early 1990’s, the Royals have
been ubiquitous with losing over the last 20+ years. It's been more than a quarter century since the
Royals reached the postseason, the team has lost more than 90 games 11 times since 1997; with only
one winning season since 1993, have finished last or next-to-last in all but one season since 1998.
While fans have been asked for their patience through “the process” and have been told success is
coming, teams in similar situations not long ago, such as the Baltimore Orioles, Tampa Bay Rays,
Washington Nationals, Cleveland Indians and Pittsburgh Pirates have, in the same timeframe, begun to
win and stay competitive. Suffice it to say, Royals fans have grown more weary, jaded and frustrated
with each passing season despite a promising young crop of players (with more on the way).

Despite the years of losing 2012 provided much reason for optimism. The 2011 season had ended on a
positive note, as much of the young talent touted by Baseball America as “the top farm system in Major
League Baseball” made strong first impressions during the final two months of play and gave Royals
fans a glimpse of what was to come.

In the offseason, the overwhelming majority of regional and national experts proclaimed the 2012
Royals would be competitive in the AL Central and at the very least finish at or above .500. This
optimism, coupled with the MLB All-Star Game returning to Kansas City for the first time since 1973
helped form the prevailing thought that the coming year would mark Kansas City’s return to the National
Stage, both on and off the field.

To best capture the public excitement related to the 2012 Season, the “Our Time” campaign was
created. The campaign served two purposes; 1. Promote the new wave of young talented players and
their personalities. 2. Promote the upcoming All-Star Game. Both messages tied into the overarching
theme that 2012 was not only Our Time to showcase our newly remade and burgeoning city to the world
but also Our Time to begin the journey with the young group of homegrown players we’d be watching
over the next 5+ years. Once released, the campaign was received extraordinarily well within the
community and the powerful interview-style player specific TV spots struck an emotional cord with fans.

Without prompting, local journalists, columnists and bloggers adopted the “Our Time” phrase within
social media and print pieces, using it positively and prominently in their materials. The campaign had
taken the overall excitement surrounding the team and channeled it into an easily digestible and
quotable mantra. The ROI was increasingly impressive as season ticket accounts increased by 25%over 2011.
While this rise was in no doubt partly due to demand for All-Star tickets and its tie to the
purchase of Season Tickets, the impact of the “Our Time” campaign could not be denied. Excitement
for the team was at a level not seen in over a decade and while the campaign did not directly create or
conjure this excitement, it served as a simple driver to focus this excitement and compel direct sales.

As Spring Training progressed, the campaign evolved organically in an unexpected way. Royals
players and fans took an increasingly large role in helping shape the campaign in their own image. The
younger players connected with “Our Time” and began to create signs within the Spring Training locker
room. Fox Sports Kansas City followed their lead and included “Our Time” graphics in most features
related to the players and the team. The face of the new team, Eric Hosmer, even created his own Our
Time TV spot with a minor league teammate whose hobby was video production. At the same time,
Twitter proved its power as the #OurTime hashtag became a mainstay on any and all Royals related
posts prior to the season and was used by fans, media and even our Mayor, Sly James on occasion.
Even though the first TV spot featured Royals legend George Brett and other campaign materials
released tied directly to the All-Star Game, the only side of the campaign message selectively heard
was team performance. As stated by the experts and captured by the campaign, fans finally believed
the Royals were ready to compete. The “Our Time” mantra had struck a significant cord with its
audience, achieving the goals of any successful marketing campaign in the process; fully capture the
pulse of your audience and leverage that excitement into sales. The campaign had quickly become a
rallying cry for Royals fans as they eagerly awaited the 2012 season.

Then came the 12 game losing streak, including the entire first homestand (which included giving up 7
runs in the first inning right after seeing the rousing “Our Time” intro on the video board), all within the
first 2 weeks of the season. A seemingly unending string of injuries to key players drove the nail deeper
as the team struggled early. The campaign that had quickly become a rallying cry just as quickly
became a symbol of crushed hope felt by Royals fans and those that praised and championed the “Our
Time” campaign now used it as vitriol to what they viewed as a false promise.

As a base for our nightly attendance, season tickets are an extremely important part of the Royals
yearly business plan and financial success. Given the likelihood of yet another losing season in 2012, a
season which was preceded with much anticipation and hope, Royals fans will be skeptical of any new
campaign efforts in 2013 and the challenge of retaining a large portion of our season ticket holders will
be our highest priority this offseason.

Challenges aside, the recent All-Star Week has shown how loyal and passionate Royals fans are and
can be again once the team becomes competitive. How we bridge the gap and re-invigorate current
and potential customers will be a key strategic challenge moving forward.

2. Because of that situation, what should the Royals Brand/Campaign really do?

Entering the 2013 MLB season, the Kansas City Royals will again be the youngest team in Major
League Baseball and given the failed expectations of 2012 will be facing numerous challenges to fully
connect with its audience. Our yearly messaging breaks down as follows:

1. Holiday
•   November-December
2. Fan Fest
•   January
3. Pre-Season/Season Tickets
•   February-March
4. Regular Season
•   April-September

How each campaign is executed remains to be seen but given the recent and past history of the club,
the following message points should be considered:

Message Points

. Connection (continue to connect the audience with the young, core players some of whom
have been on the team for less than one season heading into 2013. We want fans to recognize
their faces, know their positions and understand their personalities)

. Civic Pride (as evidenced by All-Star Week, the Royals are our team through thick and thin)

. Excitement (while we won’t promise a winner, you will be entertained by this ball club. From
the dazzling glove work from Moustakas, Hosmer and Escobar, to the speed of Cain to the Gold
Glove caliber defense by Gordon, the infectious energy of Perez and the raw power of Butler)

. Entertainment (The Royals are still the only professional baseball team in Kansas City and
going to watch a Royals game is still an experience unmatched in the city. Kauffman Stadium
is one of the most beautiful stadiums in Major League Baseball and simply being out at the
ballpark on a summer day can prove to offer much entertainment band for your buck.

Something unexpected and exciting happened during the 2012 Home Run Derby. While the rest of the
country and the world didn’t really fully grasp the sentiment, Kansas City fans made themselves heard
literally and figuratively. The message was clear; KC is one of the best baseball towns in the country.
We have our players’ backs and we are starving for something good to happen on the diamond. When
it does, we will come out in droves and support our team.

The 2013 campaign cannot lean on the past glories of the franchise. Highlighting the alumni from 1985
has been used extensively throughout the club’s losing seasons - we’ve gone to the well on this front
many times. We’ve also highlighted the “ballpark experience” extensively as the rebuilding process was
underway. Any future campaign must take these concerns into consideration.

Our campaign goal will be to re-capture the essence of those fan feelings during All-Star Week. The
pride of being a Kansas Citian. The excitement and atmosphere of being at The K when 40,000 fans
are on their feet. The fortitude to stick by your team through thick and thin. This is what it means to be
a Royals fan.

3. Who are the important audiences we should be targeting?

The core audience will differ depending on the communication phase (ie. holiday, pre-season, in-season)
however our key audience segments are listed below.

Core Royals/Baseball Fans: Have supported the Royals throughout the years and many are likely to
be current season ticket holders. Prefer baseball over other professional sports; follow baseball on
television and in sports section. Have ability to make financial and time commitment to attend Royals
games regularly. These people are most likely fans for life however their financial commitment, at least
from a ticket package standpoint, is not firm. Given the disappointment of 2012, and the lack of the All-
Star Game bump, the primary goal will be to retain season ticket holders for 2013. We’ll need to provide
them compelling incentive through literal return on investment (ie. gifts and incentives for purchasing) or
strong emotional messaging that leverages their love of baseball and the Royals brand.

GOAL – Provide compelling and targeted messaging to help ensure season ticket renewals as
well as additional smaller packages and single game ticket sales.

Casual & Emerging Fans (Experientialist): This audience supports the team on a sporadic basis.
They are heavily motivated by perceived value - promotional giveaways and events as well as ticket
specials that provide a monetary value. These fans often consider a baseball game as one of many
entertainment options to choose from. Given many of these fans are either families or high
school/college students; many opt to watch the game on TV, given the high quality of TV broadcasts
(HD) and the cost effectiveness and convenience of watching at home. Not being as tied to wins and
losses, this group is more concerned with game value and overall ballpark experience.

GOAL –Get new and casual fans to grow their support for the team and entice them to purchase
a partial plan or at the very least, increase their attendance frequency

Corporate Patrons: Communicating to this audience can be difficult. They are sports fans but the
game is often secondary as the primary motivator of purchase is the venue and its amenities for clients.
While we have a very talented sales staff that can “close the deal”, finding the correct messaging mix to
reach and retain corporate clients has been a continued point of focus as the right strategy has not yet
been fully realized.

GOAL – Find new and effective ways to reach corporate audiences, from high level patrons to
group employee outings

Below are more specific numbers related to ‘Royals Fans’ and ‘Attendees’.

ROYALS FANS: DEMO BREAKDOWN

Age Breakdown:
•   Adults 21-54: 63.9%
•   Adults 55+: 31.4%

Income Breakdown:
•   $35,000-$49,999: 16.4%
•   $50,000-$74,999: 18.6%
•   $75,000-$99,999: 19.8%
•   $100,000+: 25.1%

Sex Breakdown:
•   Male: 54%
•   Female: 46%

Geographic Breakdown:
• Johnson, KS: 25.1%
• Jackson, MO: 30.4%
• Clay, MO: 10.4%
• Cass/Platte, MO: 7.6%

ROYALS ATTENDEES: DEMO BREAKDOWN
Age Breakdown:
• Adults 21-54: 73.1%
• Adults 55+: 20.3%

Income Breakdown:
• $35,000-$49,999: 14.8%
• $50,000-$74,999: 18.6%
• $75,000-$99,999: 21.8%
• $100,000+: 31.8%

Sex Breakdown:
• Male: 56.1%
• Female: 43.9%

Geographic Breakdown:
• Johnson, KS: 31.8%
• Jackson, MO: 28.9%
• Clay, MO: 12.6%
• Cass/Platte, MO: 7.4%

FSKC ROYALS GAME VIEWERS

Age Breakdown:
• Adults 21-54: 62.0%
• Adults 55+: 33.5%

Income Breakdown:
• $35,000-$49,999: 16.1%
• $50,000-$74,999: 18.7%
• $75,000-$99,999: 20.2%
• $100,000+: 25.2%

Sex Breakdown:
• Male: 54.8%
• Female: 45.2%

Geographic Breakdown:
• Johnson, KS: 25.1%
• Jackson, MO: 30.4%
• Clay, MO: 8.7%
• Cass/Platte, MO: 7.8%

4. What insights or observations do we have about the audience that will help?

Each of the core groups listed in the above section are likely very skeptical regarding the success of the
team in the near future. The fans connect much more with specific players than in recent years but the
same confidence and connection with the team as a whole remains elusive. The campaign must
effectively communicate that success is coming without making any explicit promises except that the
Royals organization is working to build a consistent winner.

Sports fans are notoriously fickle and Royals fans are no different. A few major free agent pitching
signings and a quick start to the 2013 season could swing the momentum and fan sentiment back in our
favor.

5. Do we have any advice on brand character or any other helpful hints?

As noted earlier, the Royals brand used to be synonymous with class and excitement. They, along with
the Yankees, were the top two franchises in MLB. Those teams provided exciting play and dynamic
personalities. This new crop of Royals has a chance to provide much of the same and it will be the job
of the new campaign to promote our young players and the excitement they bring.

6. What are the mandatory creative needs?

Advertising campaign should translate across all media platforms – TV, Radio, OOH, Print, Online,
Social Marketing, B2B, etc.

The Royals marketing activation zone and fan base is vast, stretching across the majority of the
Midwest. As a result, our attendee base is geographically diverse as we are able to draw from
surrounding states such as Iowa, Nebraska, Arkansas and Oklahoma among others. Part of the
creative and overarching strategy should be geared toward reaching these outer markets.

Market 12+ Population
Kansas City 2,067,585
Omaha, NE 849,517
Little Rock, AR 685,488
Wichita/Hutchinson, KS 621,683
Des Moines, IA 562,906
Springfield, MO 430,900
Lincoln, NE 298,012
Ft. Smith, AR 293,825
Topeka, KS 230,824
Columbia, MO 166,234
Sioux City, IA 144,360
St. Joseph, MO 126,644
Total 6,468,216

In conclusion, while building a campaign around the 2013 Royals will be very challenging, with the
correct strategy and execution, we can reach our audience and achieve our objectives.
 

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« Reply #2072 on: September 19, 2012, 08:32:03 PM »
Thanks for posting that.  I enjoyed reading it.
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« Reply #2073 on: September 19, 2012, 08:59:33 PM »
Uh hey guys, we suck,  we always suck, we're always going to suck forever.  If you could get some people to buy some tickets that would be great. 

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« Reply #2074 on: September 19, 2012, 11:07:05 PM »
I really loved the breakdown of people who are attend games, where they are from, and how much money they make. Would love to see that kind of information about people at KSU games.