Sprads = "Poor Man's Brady Morningstar"

[Poster formerly known as jthutch]

The difference is KSU can go 5 deep in the front court as well as 5 deep in the backcourt, WITHOUT drop off.  KSU's reserves are as good as the starters and they will wear you out. 

[EMAWzified]

Yep, and 95 hasn't seen the floor yet.

[NXL]

KU just comes at you in waves.  Serious.  Like stormtroopers in Star Wars or something.  Scary good.  Im concerned.

[EMAWzified]

desperate

cork sniffer, more like glue sniffer

[jtksu]

My first thought was male genitals sniffer. 

[asava]

spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt.  He looks better than either Reed or Morningstar looked as freshmen but I doubt Self would give him PT over Wooldridge or Johnson at this point. 

so a guy who is getting considerable playing time on a team that is ranked higher, and generally evaluated as a better team, would not get playing time at a lesser quality basketball team. got it. thanks.

every situations different and spradling would have to beat out a handful of really talented guards to get PT.  I'm just being realistic here.  KSU is better than KU but KU still has more talent.  Do you really think that Self would be playing Spradling?  he's got veteran role players already and some freakishly talented guards in Selby and Johnson.  Taylor looks pretty good this year so far as well.   So you think that he'd beat out 2 veteran white boys, two possible future pro's and a lottery pick?  that seems a little unreasonable to say the least. 

i'm not saying that Spradling is the next jesus of kstatebasketball. but the talent argument is dumb. talent doesn't always equate to the best possible player at a given position. role players have their spots as well. and in a position like point guard bbiq plays a substantial role in being successful. you can make the "talent", whatever the eff that means, argument in relation to every kstate player. i don't give a crap about talent, i give a crap about production and realization of said talent. saying a player is more talented is like admitting that they have the tools available they just don't use them because they don't know how to use the important ones to their full potential. this is why michigan state has dominated the basketball world for the past 15 years or so. and this is why kstate (still extremely talented) is playing better basketball than KU.

[cork_sniffer]

The difference is KSU can go 5 deep in the front court as well as 5 deep in the backcourt, WITHOUT drop off.  KSU's reserves are as good as the starters and they will wear you out. 

that is just silly.  I love this ksu team but Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent.  There is nobody close to Pullen's level of play and as good as spradling is he's still a freshman.  

If I understand your post you are saying that:

Pullen +/or Russell +/or Macgruder = Spradling +/or Irving ?

[cork_sniffer]

spradling looks great so far for a 3 star freshmen or even a low 5 star but he wouldn't be getting playing time for ku at this point as they have a log jam of talent in the backcourt.  He looks better than either Reed or Morningstar looked as freshmen but I doubt Self would give him PT over Wooldridge or Johnson at this point. 

so a guy who is getting considerable playing time on a team that is ranked higher, and generally evaluated as a better team, would not get playing time at a lesser quality basketball team. got it. thanks.

every situations different and spradling would have to beat out a handful of really talented guards to get PT.  I'm just being realistic here.  KSU is better than KU but KU still has more talent.  Do you really think that Self would be playing Spradling?  he's got veteran role players already and some freakishly talented guards in Selby and Johnson.  Taylor looks pretty good this year so far as well.   So you think that he'd beat out 2 veteran white boys, two possible future pro's and a lottery pick?  that seems a little unreasonable to say the least. 

i'm not saying that Spradling is the next jesus of kstatebasketball. but the talent argument is dumb. talent doesn't always equate to the best possible player at a given position. role players have their spots as well. and in a position like point guard bbiq plays a substantial role in being successful. you can make the "talent", whatever the eff that means, argument in relation to every kstate player. i don't give a cac about talent, i give a cac about production and realization of said talent. saying a player is more talented is like admitting that they have the tools available they just don't use them because they don't know how to use the important ones to their full potential. this is why michigan state has dominated the basketball world for the past 15 years or so. and this is why kstate (still extremely talented) is playing better basketball than KU.

well I agree but I think you are a little too high on spradling and a little too low on the jayhawks talent at this point.  even if KSU is playing better basketball than KU right now it doesn't really mean that KU would play Spradling over their returning guards.  In fact Spradling wouldn't probably suit up and would have red-shirted this year.  Woolridge is a pretty talented guard and he's not seeing any PT at this point and I find it hard to believe that Spradling is considerably better than him. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent.

Not really. The only time there is a significant drop in talent is when Pullen comes out of the game.

[cork_sniffer]

Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent.

Not really. The only time there is a significant drop in talent is when Pullen comes out of the game.

you can't be serious. 

[Poster formerly known as jthutch]

The difference is KSU can go 5 deep in the front court as well as 5 deep in the backcourt, WITHOUT drop off.  KSU's reserves are as good as the starters and they will wear you out. 

that is just silly.  I love this ksu team but Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent.  There is nobody close to Pullen's level of play and as good as spradling is he's still a freshman.  

If I understand your post you are saying that:

Pullen +/or Russell +/or Macgruder = Spradling +/or Irving ?

Lets put it this way Pullen played like 12 minutes against Va Tech and we did not miss him.  I saw no drop off of defensive intensity, and lets be honest that is what KSU does is Ugly up games by playing hard nosed defense.  All of the gaurds have been shooting the ball well and to be honest Pullen is probably our most turn over prone gaurde right now.  So yes from what I have seen is all of our gaurds are interchangable.  As for JO he has his moments but he can rebound and we do not lose much defensivly, he also has a midrange jumper he will drop from time to time.  Also has a 3 point stroke but doubt Frank will let that be seen in a game.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent.

Not really. The only time there is a significant drop in talent is when Pullen comes out of the game.

you can't be serious. 

I feel just as comfortable with JO in the game as I do with Asprilla or Judge.

[AlwaysEMAW]

Henriquez-Roberts is still a huge drop off in talent.

Not really. The only time there is a significant drop in talent is when Pullen comes out of the game.

you can't be serious. 

Agree with nutskicked. Henriquez-Roberts, Judge, Asprilla all have about equal strengths and weaknesses. We have two obvious drop-offs in talent. When Pullen is not in the game and when CK is not in the game, and even then we tend to hold our own pretty well.

[cork_sniffer]

Henriquez-Roberts can't even walk straight let alone bang inside.  He's improved greatly but he's still not on the level you guys claim he's at.  He got worked last night on both ends of the floor. 

[AlwaysEMAW]

Henriquez-Roberts can't even walk straight let alone bang inside.  He's improved greatly but he's still not on the level you guys claim he's at.  He got worked last night on both ends of the floor. 

No, you think that Wally and Asprilla are better than they are. They all look equally bad at times

[EMAWzified]

A few games against piss poor competition hasn't convinced me Taylor has overcome the inconsistency and immaturity he displayed for two full years. And it's clear he just isn't a quality person, so I'm not drinking from that Kool-Aid class just yet.
Johnson, hasn't done anything against a big-time opponent, ever.
Shelby is supposed to be really good.
Reed and Morningstar are what they are, kind of foundation guys.

[asava]

heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...

[cork_sniffer]

heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...

I agree.

I still say he would be on the bench for KU though. 

[EllToPay]

heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...

I agree.

I still say he would be on the bench for KU though. 

who gives a flying eff? was he thinking about playing for ku or something?

look, if it makes you feel better to know that our 5th guard wouldn't be playing for you guys that much, congratufuckinglations. have fun against some team from texas tonight while the eyes of college basketball are on k-state.

[kstatefreak42]

E Johnson's talent is obviously not working for him. The guy hasnt done anything at all that says he is better than Will Spradling lol.

[I_have_purplewood]

Sprads has a drinking problem? 

[deputy dawg]

heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...

I agree.

I still say he would be on the bench for KU though. 

And be at Texas A&M Corpus Christi tonight, watching a schedule-filler game instead playing yet another ranked team.

[cork_sniffer]

heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...

I agree.

I still say he would be on the bench for KU though. 

who gives a flying eff? was he thinking about playing for ku or something?

look, if it makes you feel better to know that our 5th guard wouldn't be playing for you guys that much, congratueffinglations. have fun against some team from texas tonight while the eyes of college basketball are on k-state.

ok, the point being that spradling is much better than anticipated but he's getting PT because KSU doesn't have anyone else really. 

[AbeFroman]

Sprads has a drinking problem?  

We better make sure he's not at P&L after the game tonight. Long drive back down I-70

[Rage Against the McKee]

heres the thing, i'm not high on spradling at all. but the fact that he is a freshman getting significant pt on a top 5 team is indicative of his level of play. the fact that pundits are already comparing him to denis clemente and that he has played relatively well against 2 top 25 teams goes to show something. just sayin...

I agree.

I still say he would be on the bench for KU though. 

who gives a flying eff? was he thinking about playing for ku or something?

look, if it makes you feel better to know that our 5th guard wouldn't be playing for you guys that much, congratueffinglations. have fun against some team from texas tonight while the eyes of college basketball are on k-state.

ok, the point being that spradling is much better than anticipated but he's getting PT because KSU doesn't have anyone else really. 

He's getting playing time because he's a badass who makes the competition cry. I guess Bill Self doesn't care about that. I wouldn't know, though. You're the KU fan; you tell me.