Every Single Poster On GPC Guarantees Leavitt Has Been Hired As Next DC

[jtksu]

That article is ten years old bro.  

You think something happened in the last 10 years that changed their mind?

Yeah.  Ten rough ridin' years happened.  I've never heard Stoops say anything but positive things about Snyder.  They obviously were pissed at each other shortly after Bobby Stoops raided his cupboard but grown men don't tend to stay mad at each other for nothing for ten years.  And yeah, Snyder has struggled since he lost his all-star staff of assistant coaches.  You name one program in the country that wouldn't go downhill after losing Stoopsx2, Veneables, Leavitt, Mangino, Bielema, Bennett, etc.   You retards claim that Snyder is at fault for his current crop of shitty coaches yet fail to give him props for molding the most impressive crop of coaches in recent history.   Guess it was just some sort of huge coincidence all those guys coached for Snyder though, right?

[fatty fat fat]

That article is ten years old bro.  

You think something happened in the last 10 years that changed their mind?

Yeah.  Ten effing years happened.  I've never heard Stoops say anything but positive things about Snyder.  They obviously were pissed at each other shortly after Bobby Stoops raided his cupboard but grown men don't tend to stay mad at each other for nothing for ten years.  And yeah, Snyder has struggled since he lost his all-star staff of assistant coaches.  You name one program in the country that wouldn't go downhill after losing Stoopsx2, Veneables, Leavitt, Mangino, Bielema, Bennett, etc.   You retards claim that Snyder is at fault for his current crop of cacty coaches yet fail to give him props for molding the most impressive crop of coaches in recent history.   Guess it was just some sort of huge coincidence all those guys coached for Snyder though, right?

I agree. The hate no longer exists.

Snyder has sucked balls since 2003. It has gotten fairly annoying, as a big-time cat football fan.

[HeinBallz]

As long as he's not HCIW I think its good news for the short term future of the program.

i agree, but you know leavitt is thinking "yahtzee" regardless of title if he does end up coming here. i mean, the defense couldn't really be any worse, so provided he improves it over a couple of years and acts crazy on the sideline, he'll endear himself to 90% of people to the point that they'll be asking for him to be the next coach. i mean crap...people wanted phil bennett for a while as head coach after he left. is the short term gain of a better defense worth the long term probability that he would end up as the next head coach?

  I am trying to be positive here....but yeah you're probably right. 

It all depends on how long Snyder stays.

I'll probably be in the minority on this board, but the longer Snyder stays (assuming he surrounds himself with decent coaches) is not a bad thing.  Having more than two HCs in the span of four or five years can be hell on a roster, especially one that has a scholarship count down in the lower 70's.  Even if all Snyder's able to do is win seven games a year and go to four lower tiered bowls in the next five years or so, that's probably where we need to go given that we've spent the majority of this decade being a subpar football program.

The hiring of Leavitt does a few things.  One, it immediately brings some level of credibility to the defense.  Two, it brings a competent former head coach on board to assist Snyder in the day-to-day operations in the actual 'coaching' areas Sean can't help with.  You have a guy that legitimately knows what he's doing helping out.  Even if it's not much, there's something to be said for bringing a guy on board with nearly a hundred career wins as a head coach and a nearly 60% winning percentage.  In the event your 70 year old coach steps down unexpectedly with health issues, you'd be hard pressed to find many programs out there with a guy as decorated as Jim Leavitt sitting there in the bullpen as an interim head coach.  Finally, Leavitt has a lot of connections in Florida from his years of recruiting, and he's a known quantity.  Even with "the situation", which is still kind of ambiguous, he has ties to all kinds of local high schools, and USF was known for recruiting JUCOs as well, so he's got ties there too.  He'd most likely be an adequate recruiter or at least be able to open doors if we were to hire one.

Snyder as a figurehead HC can go on for several years.  At least another four while Tate is here assuming he doesn't have to do as much.  And with Leavitt here, the odds of that happening are probably pretty good.

In five years, there will be tens of millions of dollars of improvements to the football stadium, the conference situation will most likely be stabilized one way or another, and the roster will probably be at least a little more balanced.  If Snyder steps down at that time, we'd be a much more attractive option than we are now, which would in turn give us a better chance of hiring a better coach.  Leavitt, in the short term, possibly makes that a reality.  We just have to hope that at that time our AD (whoever it is) realizes our fan base primarily consists of mouth-breathing idiots and ignores their clamoring for one of "Snyder's guys".

could have just compared the current state of KSU to the USA going into Iraq.   We're here, we shouldn't be, & pulling out too early is completely irresponsible.

[wetwillie]

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could have just compared the current state of KSU to the USA going into Iraq.   We're here, we shouldn't be, & pulling out too early is completely irresponsible.



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Does this mean we get to see OBZ decked out in uniform on a carrier deck saluting mission accomplished?

[CHONGS]

Delete and start again wetwillie. 

[Perry]

That article is ten years old bro.  

You think something happened in the last 10 years that changed their mind?

Yeah.  Ten rough ridin' years happened.  I've never heard Stoops say anything but positive things about Snyder.  They obviously were pissed at each other shortly after Bobby Stoops raided his cupboard but grown men don't tend to stay mad at each other for nothing for ten years.  And yeah, Snyder has struggled since he lost his all-star staff of assistant coaches.  You name one program in the country that wouldn't go downhill after losing Stoopsx2, Veneables, Leavitt, Mangino, Bielema, Bennett, etc.   You retards claim that Snyder is at fault for his current crop of shitty coaches yet fail to give him props for molding the most impressive crop of coaches in recent history.   Guess it was just some sort of huge coincidence all those guys coached for Snyder though, right?

How does Snyder having good assistants forever ago equate to him being excused for crap coaches now? Yeah, he had a fuckawesome staff in 98. It's still his fault for keeping shitty coaches afterwards. Nobody expects him to be able to find another group of young coaching talent that can bring us to the point of a NC out of nowhere, but the current staff is not acceptable. If Leavitt comes back as DC then that's a step in the right direction, but it's still Bill's fault for bringing back damn near the same staff that drove this thing into the ground in the first place.

[CrushNasty]

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[Ira Hayes]

That article is ten years old bro.  

You think something happened in the last 10 years that changed their mind?

Yeah.  Ten rough ridin' years happened.  I've never heard Stoops say anything but positive things about Snyder.  They obviously were pissed at each other shortly after Bobby Stoops raided his cupboard but grown men don't tend to stay mad at each other for nothing for ten years.  And yeah, Snyder has struggled since he lost his all-star staff of assistant coaches.  You name one program in the country that wouldn't go downhill after losing Stoopsx2, Veneables, Leavitt, Mangino, Bielema, Bennett, etc.   You retards claim that Snyder is at fault for his current crop of shitty coaches yet fail to give him props for molding the most impressive crop of coaches in recent history.   Guess it was just some sort of huge coincidence all those guys coached for Snyder though, right?

Snyder may have been pissed at Stoops.  I don't think it ever went the other way.  I agree with you that I never heard any of those guys say anything but positive things about Snyder other than the petty bitching and moaning about 18 hours a day and never getting a day off and having to work on Memorial Day, etc.  They have a lot of respect for Snyder.

But would they ever come back and work for him?

No.

It's like going through boot camp.  You do it.  You give your best effort.  You respect your drill sergeant.  You appreciate what he taught you.  You pray to God that you never have to go back and do it again.

[jtksu]

Why would you have to go back to basic training?  Do they make the retards do it more than once?

[unleashthemob]

 

Why would you have to go back to basic training?  Do they make the retards do it more than once?

unless your del Miller,Chris cosh, Joe Bob, Smith, dimel.....

[jtksu]

Don't really understand that last post.

[ednksu]

As long as he's not HCIW I think its good news for the short term future of the program.

i agree, but you know leavitt is thinking "yahtzee" regardless of title if he does end up coming here. i mean, the defense couldn't really be any worse, so provided he improves it over a couple of years and acts crazy on the sideline, he'll endear himself to 90% of people to the point that they'll be asking for him to be the next coach. i mean crap...people wanted phil bennett for a while as head coach after he left. is the short term gain of a better defense worth the long term probability that he would end up as the next head coach?

  I am trying to be positive here....but yeah you're probably right. 

It all depends on how long Snyder stays.

I'll probably be in the minority on this board, but the longer Snyder stays (assuming he surrounds himself with decent coaches) is not a bad thing.  Having more than two HCs in the span of four or five years can be hell on a roster, especially one that has a scholarship count down in the lower 70's.  Even if all Snyder's able to do is win seven games a year and go to four lower tiered bowls in the next five years or so, that's probably where we need to go given that we've spent the majority of this decade being a subpar football program.

The hiring of Leavitt does a few things.  One, it immediately brings some level of credibility to the defense.  Two, it brings a competent former head coach on board to assist Snyder in the day-to-day operations in the actual 'coaching' areas Sean can't help with.  You have a guy that legitimately knows what he's doing helping out.  Even if it's not much, there's something to be said for bringing a guy on board with nearly a hundred career wins as a head coach and a nearly 60% winning percentage.  In the event your 70 year old coach steps down unexpectedly with health issues, you'd be hard pressed to find many programs out there with a guy as decorated as Jim Leavitt sitting there in the bullpen as an interim head coach.  Finally, Leavitt has a lot of connections in Florida from his years of recruiting, and he's a known quantity.  Even with "the situation", which is still kind of ambiguous, he has ties to all kinds of local high schools, and USF was known for recruiting JUCOs as well, so he's got ties there too.  He'd most likely be an adequate recruiter or at least be able to open doors if we were to hire one.

Snyder as a figurehead HC can go on for several years.  At least another four while Tate is here assuming he doesn't have to do as much.  And with Leavitt here, the odds of that happening are probably pretty good.

In five years, there will be tens of millions of dollars of improvements to the football stadium, the conference situation will most likely be stabilized one way or another, and the roster will probably be at least a little more balanced.  If Snyder steps down at that time, we'd be a much more attractive option than we are now, which would in turn give us a better chance of hiring a better coach.  Leavitt, in the short term, possibly makes that a reality.  We just have to hope that at that time our AD (whoever it is) realizes our fan base primarily consists of mouth-breathing idiots and ignores their clamoring for one of "Snyder's guys".

good post.  too bad many posters here are in mouth breathing self felicitating mode.

[steve dave]

I'll probably be in the minority on this board, but the longer Snyder stays (assuming he surrounds himself with decent coaches)

Re-read this part of your post out loud and see if any random people around you walk up and punch you in the face. 

[Panjandrum]

I'll probably be in the minority on this board, but the longer Snyder stays (assuming he surrounds himself with decent coaches)

Re-read this part of your post out loud and see if any random people around you walk up and punch you in the face.  

Which part?  The longer he stays being a good thing or the part about him hiring decent coaches?

The former is dependent on the latter.  If he doesn't hire better coaches, the sooner he leaves the better.  If he hires better coaches, how long he stays is inconsequential provided he plans on making at least another 3-5 year commitment.

We can't afford another coaching change right now.  We're way too deep in the hole from a roster perspective to rock the boat right now.  We're still a good 3-5 years from even coming close to floating around the 80-85 range in terms of numbers.  I don't agree that he should have taken the job two years ago, but it is what it is.  He's here now, and he better see it through.  And if he wants to protect his legacy, he needs to start making some changes to his staff or else this whole thing is going to go down the toilet and fast.

[michigancat]

If we're 3-5 years from getting to 85 scholarships, changing coaches couldn't set us back all that far.

[jtksu]

It would most likely hurt us pretty bad.  You're always going to have players defect when a new coach takes over and if we're already about 15 players under limits... 

[Panjandrum]

If we're 3-5 years from getting to 85 scholarships, changing coaches couldn't set us back all that far.

Yes, it will.  The last class actually was a pretty full allotment, and this class looks like we'll sign roughly 27-28.  By my count, that would elevate the numbers to roughly 76-78 depending on whether or not Darious Thomas and Courtney Thompson become academically eligible again.

This next year's senior class is somewhat small (around 21).  If they actually put 25 men on the roster next year, we're looking at possibly getting back to around 79-80.  After that, assuming some of the JUCOs redshirt next year, we could get into the lower 80's in three years.  However, that's assuming no defections, academic casualties, career ending injuries, etc. and we sign the full allotment and get them eligible and on campus, which never happens.


We need another three to five years.  If Snyder hires a decent defensive coordinator and replaces some dead weight (i.e. Miller, Latimore, and Cosh) with decent recruiters, we will be good enough to limp along the next few years while they improve the stadium and get this program back into a better position.

You'd have to believe that there are a lot of coaches out there who would look at our roster and dismiss this job sight on seen because of how long it will take to get it back up to par from a numbers perspective alone.  Snyder started this mess back in the earlier part of the last decade, and he should be the one to clean it up.

[michigancat]

If we're 3-5 years from getting to 85 scholarships, changing coaches couldn't set us back all that far.

Yes, it will.  The last class actually was a pretty full allotment, and this class looks like we'll sign roughly 27-28.  By my count, that would elevate the numbers to roughly 76-78 depending on whether or not Darious Thomas and Courtney Thompson become academically eligible again.

This next year's senior class is somewhat small (around 21).  If they actually put 25 men on the roster next year, we're looking at possibly getting back to around 79-80.  After that, assuming some of the JUCOs redshirt next year, we could get into the lower 80's in three years.  However, that's assuming no defections, academic casualties, career ending injuries, etc. and we sign the full allotment and get them eligible and on campus, which never happens.


We need another three to five years.  If Snyder hires a decent defensive coordinator and replaces some dead weight (i.e. Miller, Latimore, and Cosh) with decent recruiters, we will be good enough to limp along the next few years while they improve the stadium and get this program back into a better position.

You'd have to believe that there are a lot of coaches out there who would look at our roster and dismiss this job sight on seen because of how long it will take to get it back up to par from a numbers perspective alone.  Snyder started this mess back in the earlier part of the last decade, and he should be the one to clean it up.

so we go from 5 years to a full allotment to 6?  OMG, the horror.  Next thing, you'll tell me we might have to go 2-6 instead of 3-5 for a year. 

[jtksu]

I could see maybe 1 or 2 more years but 5 or 6 is lunacy.

[Panjandrum]

so we go from 5 years to a full allotment to 6?  OMG, the horror.  Next thing, you'll tell me we might have to go 2-6 instead of 3-5 for a year. 

I get what you're saying, but the next coach is going to have the same problem Prince had (aside from being a horrible coach), and that's fixing Snyder's mess while listening to the entire fan base blame the new guy for all of the problems.

It's tough being the guy after "the guy", and it's worse when "the guy" left you a mess.  KSU fans aren't patient, they only think one man can win at this school, and when that one man leaves the next guy hamstrung, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

We're in the middle of a roster rebuild, we've got tens of millions of dollars going into the football stadium (that will probably require some level of donations) that doesn't even have a loose description out in front of the public, and we're headed into a new conference format where the schedule is going to get worse every year instead of better.  Now isn't the time to go out there and hire someone that already has multiple strikes against him before he ever even steps foot on the sideline.  There's too much at stake.

[Panjandrum]

I could see maybe 1 or 2 more years but 5 or 6 is lunacy.

I personally think Snyder is going to want to coach Tate until he graduates.  No evidence on that, but just a hunch.  There's no guarantee that Sean will be retained during the next regime, and Bill probably realizes the best way to keep this little "family moment" going is to stick around for another four years.

[michigancat]

so we go from 5 years to a full allotment to 6?  OMG, the horror.  Next thing, you'll tell me we might have to go 2-6 instead of 3-5 for a year. 

I get what you're saying, but the next coach is going to have the same problem Prince had (aside from being a horrible coach), and that's fixing Snyder's mess while listening to the entire fan base blame the new guy for all of the problems.

He won't have Snyder undermining him at every opportunity.

We're in the middle of a roster rebuild, we've got tens of millions of dollars going into the football stadium (that will probably require some level of donations) that doesn't even have a loose description out in front of the public, and we're headed into a new conference format where the schedule is going to get worse every year instead of better.  Now isn't the time to go out there and hire someone that already has multiple strikes against him before he ever even steps foot on the sideline.  There's too much at stake.

Too much at stake?  Like 8th place in a new Big 12 that Snyder might provide?  I would hate to see that slip away. 

[wabash909]

Is there anything credible about this Leavitt speculation?  Like, anything at all? 

Where is this crap coming from?

[MadCat]

Is there anything credible about this Leavitt speculation?  Like, anything at all? 

Where is this crap coming from?

Sources say that this is coming from "Every Single Poster on GPC".

[Panjandrum]

so we go from 5 years to a full allotment to 6?  OMG, the horror.  Next thing, you'll tell me we might have to go 2-6 instead of 3-5 for a year. 

I get what you're saying, but the next coach is going to have the same problem Prince had (aside from being a horrible coach), and that's fixing Snyder's mess while listening to the entire fan base blame the new guy for all of the problems.

He won't have Snyder undermining him at every opportunity.

We're in the middle of a roster rebuild, we've got tens of millions of dollars going into the football stadium (that will probably require some level of donations) that doesn't even have a loose description out in front of the public, and we're headed into a new conference format where the schedule is going to get worse every year instead of better.  Now isn't the time to go out there and hire someone that already has multiple strikes against him before he ever even steps foot on the sideline.  There's too much at stake.

Too much at stake?  Like 8th place in a new Big 12 that Snyder might provide?  I would hate to see that slip away. 

Better to be 8th with a decent hire away from something more than becoming Washington State.