How about Sprads

[Ira Hayes]

his assist/to ratio is infinity/0

To be fair, the team shot like .25 the first half when he got most of his minutes. Of course, that could be a sign he isn't effective running the offense.

Bingo!

Point guards create opportunities for others in the offense.  That's why assists are tracked.  Spradling created almost nothing on the offensive end.

I'm not trying to bash the kid, but a lot of people seem to be getting excited about a kid that has a very long way to go.  He may be another Jake.  But even if he is, I don't expect much this year and probably next.

His defense was solid which is a very good sign.  That's why he's on the floor.

[Poster formerly known as jthutch]

Sprads did what he had to do.  He wasn't flashy, but he handled the ball and did not turn it over that is all that he needs to do at this point.  I liked him a lot but started liking him less only because of how much Bob Knight kept talking about it.  It was all true and I agree with him but he was getting on my nerves.

[Belvis Noland]

Bingo!

Point guards create opportunities for others in the offense.  That's why assists are tracked.  Spradling created almost nothing on the offensive end.

So, you're saying that Spradling wasn't effective running the offense because he didn't create opportunities for others???  I guess I get your point if you're talking about a man/man defense and we're running set pieces.  But, against a zone, the PG is not responsible for "creating opportunities."  Typically, the PG responsible for getting the ball to his guards in space and moving it through the forwards in the high post.  Spradling did this effectively.  If we missed open layups or if the bigs blundered around like retards, that's not Sprads' problem.  

Virginia Tech played a zone about 70% of that game.  So, let's focus on the 30% when they played man/man.  

Sprads certainly isn't Clement.  He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots."  

[Ira Hayes]

 He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots."  

We agree.  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

But I don't blame the bigs as much as you.  Judge and Asprilla only took 3 shots each in the entire game.  Why weren't they getting the ball?  Meanwhile Spradling took 6 and hit 2 (one was a layup in transition).  JHR was 5-6 from the floor.  Samuels was 4-13 but got fouled on four of those nine misses and went to the line.

[michigancat]

anyone not pleasantly surprised with sprads is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

No one's saying he equals Clemente or even Pullen as a frosh.  But you should still be very happy with what you've seen from him.

[Kat Kid]

How about Sprads?

[AlwaysEMAW]

 He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots."  

  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

This is not how you beat a zone. Which is why we're impressed with him. Ball movement is the key to beating a zone and that's what he did. It is very hard to assist to the post at the very beginning of a set. Most post entries come from a wing.

[Belvis Noland]

We agree.  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

Not against a zone.  Which is why is did't try to.  Maybe you should watch the next game before commenting on anything. 

But I don't blame the bigs as much as you.  Judge and Asprilla only took 3 shots each in the entire game.  Why weren't they getting the ball? 

Is this a trick question?  Because the answer has nothing to do with Spradling. 

[kougar24]

He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots." 

  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

This is not how you beat a zone. Which is why we're impressed with him. Ball movement is the key to beating a zone and that's what he did. It is very hard to assist to the post at the very beginning of a set. Most post entries come from a wing.

To clarify, dribble penetration can in fact defeat a zone; it just isn't the only way, and not necessarily the most reliable way.

[doom]

He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots." 

  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

This is not how you beat a zone. Which is why we're impressed with him. Ball movement is the key to beating a zone and that's what he did. It is very hard to assist to the post at the very beginning of a set. Most post entries come from a wing.

To clarify, dribble penetration can in fact defeat a zone; it just isn't the only way, and not necessarily the most reliable way.

It is one of those things that should accompany ball movement.  It tends to fail w/o.

[Ira Hayes]

Here's how the true freshman PG on the team we probably play next Tuesday attacks a zone:

[wetwillie]

Really confused by the dribble penetration isn't necessary against a zone talking point going on here.  I suspect I am getting reeled in pretty bad.

[Sugar Dick]

Spradling played 27 minutes at PG yesterday and had a grand total of 1 assist.   

This continues to prove my point that the statistic assist is as useless (if not more useless) than the statistic "error" in MLB.  The other SD is dead on in his analysis re: offensive boards.

especially for the point guard position 

exactly, PG is to PF as SS is to RF the more opportunities for "assists" the less useful the statistic

A stat based on who had the ball before someone else who does something good with it is not very helpful, unless you're John Stockton reneging a contract.  Especially when you consider our bigs do nothing but miss layups and draw fouls (and then miss FT's).

translation please?  anyone?

 

[Barry McCockner]

 He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots."  

We agree.  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

But I don't blame the bigs as much as you.  Judge and Asprilla only took 3 shots each in the entire game.  Why weren't they getting the ball?  Meanwhile Spradling took 6 and hit 2 (one was a layup in transition).  JHR was 5-6 from the floor.  Samuels was 4-13 but got fouled on four of those nine misses and went to the line.

 This could be my LBBIQ showing, but regarding Samuels, I was always under the assumption that if you were fouled on a shot and missed, it didn't count as a shot statistically.  Anyone?

[kougar24]

He isn't strong enough to dribble penetrate and dish when the defense collapses.  This much is obvious.  But, I think he did a fine job of handling the ball, distributing, and moving the ball to open flashers/cutters.  If Judge, Asprilla, JHR, and Samuels can't hit the broad side of the barn, that's their fault.  Had they even made 3-4 of their missed shots in the first half, we shoot +50% instead of 36% and we aren't discussing Sprads' inability to "create shots." 

We agree.  I think he has to dribble penetrate for us to be effective.  He didn't really try to. 

But I don't blame the bigs as much as you.  Judge and Asprilla only took 3 shots each in the entire game.  Why weren't they getting the ball?  Meanwhile Spradling took 6 and hit 2 (one was a layup in transition).  JHR was 5-6 from the floor.  Samuels was 4-13 but got fouled on four of those nine misses and went to the line.

 This could be my LBBIQ showing, but regarding Samuels, I was always under the assumption that if you were fouled on a shot and missed, it didn't count as a shot statistically.  Anyone?

That is correct.

[michigancat]

The second page made this the dumbest thread in goEMAW.com history.   Jesus, what a bunch of idiots.

[jtksu]

Jamar's poor shooting percentage is largely due to the fact that he would miss like 2 shots (putbacks) before actually drawing a foul.  JO actually missed 3 consective putbacks on one possession against Madison.  Love how he stuck to it but hate how he could miss 3 point blank shots like that.

[Kat Kid]

......How about Sprads??

[jtksu]

Nice reading skillz.

[Double D]

......How about Sprads??

So what's Spradling's nickname now? Nothing Darren Kent-ish I hope.

[MakeItRain]

Here's how the true freshman PG on the team we probably play next Tuesday attacks a zone:

I hope you aren't comparing the way Kyrie Irving breaks down Cal Poly Pomona's 3-2 zone to the way our back up point guard broke down Virginia Tech's 2-3 zone trap?  That would be incredibly stupid.

BTW most of us read Luke Winn. 

[swish1]

spradling doesnt go to his left.  unless he fixes that he will be ineffective when conference season rolls around.  however i am pleased with what i have seen from him so far.

unfortunately he cant go to his left and he is a point guard...

[Belvis Noland]

Is there a large enough sample size to say that the guy can't dribble to his left?

No. 

[Belvis Noland]

And yes, I will continue to blindly praise this dude until he gives me reason not to. 


I've seen too much shitty PG at KSU over my lifetime and too many turnovers, that I am incredibly relieved to have a solid dude who doesn't turnover the ball, handling the point. 

[steve dave]

coaches kids can go left.  it's science.