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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2010, 05:14:40 PM »
jeffy and his gold bouillon get the last laugh indeed!

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2010, 05:18:16 PM »
I bet Sugar Dick is one of those people who thinks that a loan is a zero sum instrument since the bank records it as an asset and the borrower records it as a debt. Add them together and you get 0.

you're an idiot

Great argument sparky. I'm totally convinced.



Just one thing, what industry do you see creating the most demand for new loans in the coming Republican paradise?
Good, I'm glad you know you're an idiot.

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2010, 05:30:40 PM »
I bet Sugar Dick is one of those people who thinks that a loan is a zero sum instrument since the bank records it as an asset and the borrower records it as a debt. Add them together and you get 0.

you're an idiot

Great argument sparky. I'm totally convinced.



Just one thing, what industry do you see creating the most demand for new loans in the coming Republican paradise?
Good, I'm glad you know you're an idiot.

First of all, pffft

Second to answer the question:  All of them except:  a) guns & ammo, b) "green" energy   :lol:

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2010, 05:40:28 PM »
I bet Sugar Dick is one of those people who thinks that a loan is a zero sum instrument since the bank records it as an asset and the borrower records it as a debt. Add them together and you get 0.

you're an idiot

Great argument sparky. I'm totally convinced.



Just one thing, what industry do you see creating the most demand for new loans in the coming Republican paradise?
Good, I'm glad you know you're an idiot.

First of all, pffft

Second to answer the question:  All of them except:  a) guns & ammo, b) "green" energy   :lol:

So the construction industry, which accounted for about 25 percent of the jobs in this country at it's peak in 2005 is magically going to start borrowing money again despite the incredibly amount of vacant homes and commercial real estate?


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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2010, 05:43:39 PM »
I bet Sugar Dick is one of those people who thinks that a loan is a zero sum instrument since the bank records it as an asset and the borrower records it as a debt. Add them together and you get 0.

you're an idiot

Great argument sparky. I'm totally convinced.



Just one thing, what industry do you see creating the most demand for new loans in the coming Republican paradise?
Good, I'm glad you know you're an idiot.

First of all, pffft

Second to answer the question:  All of them except:  a) guns & ammo, b) "green" energy   :lol:

So the construction industry, which accounted for about 25 percent of the jobs in this country at it's peak in 2005 is magically going to start borrowing money again despite the incredibly amount of vacant homes and commercial real estate?



Start a new thread

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2010, 05:50:59 PM »
You gave the banking lesson here, I'm asking where banks are going to get all these new customers from. You start a new thread.

Better yet, come up with some of the things you think Republicans will have accomplished by next November in regards to fixing the economy and we can make a wager.

I'll let you set the lines on:

Employment rate
GDP growth
Budget deficit

Come on, back up your opinions with some money.

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2010, 06:06:08 PM »
You gave the banking lesson here, I'm asking where banks are going to get all these new customers from. You start a new thread.

Better yet, come up with some of the things you think Republicans will have accomplished by next November in regards to fixing the economy and we can make a wager.

I'll let you set the lines on:

Employment rate
GDP growth
Budget deficit

Come on, back up your opinions with some money.

You're welcome (geez rude)

These questions you ask, while relevant, are attenuated from my lesson plan and the answers require speculation.  I think you disagree with my statement that having a repub house will interject confidence and certainty into markets.  As stated in my "banking lesson" that was my opinion, it is also an opinion shared almost universally in the financial world.  I could be wrong, and you may want to talk about QE.  It's just too hard to tell with you shooting questions out like some kid with a curios form of turrets.

If you want to start a thread on the topic, "what industries will benefit most from _______" you need to specify whether you want to talk about the new QE or repubs in the house.

If you want to start a thread on the topic, "what economic measures will improve most from _______" you need to specify whether you want to talk about the new QE or repubs in the house.

There a lot to discuss in each of the four possible thread topic.  Could be interesting!

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2010, 06:21:07 PM »
I thought it was pretty obvious I was asking questions related to why you have the opinions you have.


You: X is my opinion
Me: Y and Z affect X.
You: ZOMG this is too confusing, start a new thread  :runaway:

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2010, 11:08:10 PM »
Yep the Fed Dances With Match and Gasoline in hand . . . it could work out great, it could be the end . . . stay tuned.

Just in case I suggest  you all go out and buy wagons and large bags to carry around the cash you'll need to buy a loaf of bread.

Just waiting for '06 to drop the austerity word and compare the U.S. economic machine both from a GDP and Debt Level to some piss ant country.

When the national debt exceeds annual GDP . . . what then??   Buy more printing presses for the treasury . . . put up a statue of Paul Krugman . . . what??  Tell the Chinese to pissoff??






No need to. Republicans should have the economy booming again by late February right?

Doubt it . . . but I love the logic,  "You don't agree with everything this administration does, therefore you must be a hardcore Republican". 


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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2010, 11:29:51 PM »
Yep the Fed Dances With Match and Gasoline in hand . . . it could work out great, it could be the end . . . stay tuned.

Just in case I suggest  you all go out and buy wagons and large bags to carry around the cash you'll need to buy a loaf of bread.

Just waiting for '06 to drop the austerity word and compare the U.S. economic machine both from a GDP and Debt Level to some piss ant country.

When the national debt exceeds annual GDP . . . what then??   Buy more printing presses for the treasury . . . put up a statue of Paul Krugman . . . what??  Tell the Chinese to pissoff??






No need to. Republicans should have the economy booming again by late February right?

Doubt it . . . but I love the logic,  "You don't agree with everything this administration does, therefore you must be a hardcore Republican". 



If the shoe fits. I mean I'm obviously a hardcore Democrat because I realize that government does serve a purpose.

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2010, 05:44:39 AM »
Who on here has ever said the government doesn't have a purpose . . . what is highly debatable is the purpose of the Fed . . . an entity unto itself.    What is also highly debatable is a government that allows itself to spend trillions of dollars it doesn't really have.  

I could post 15 different articles about what other countries are doing in light of what the Fed is doing, and there are multiple central bank administrators across the globe who are currently very pissed at the U.S. and what the Fed is doing (I guess they're all idiots as well).    Like I said, the Fed is throwing stones at the nuclear weapon here . . . it may end up extremely well, or it may implode the economy.  

"There are many costs and many risks" PIMCO CEO on Fed Easing 11/3/2010

"This not the solution . . . to jobs and economic growth" PIMCO CEO

"Fed is acting alone . . . not getting cooperation from the treasury and the rest of the world" PIMCO CEO




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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2010, 05:56:17 AM »
Gold Prices-Record Highs

Oil-Headed UP

Wheat-UP

Corn-UP

Sugar-UP

Cotton-UP

Gas, clothes, food . . . all going to get more expensive.   Fed unemployment numbers . . . staying the same.   First time jobless claims . . . up.

More expensive to live . . . less money being made to pay for it.


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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2010, 09:26:08 AM »
I heard this morning that with the new QE (I guess it's being called QE2), the Fed is now printing money faster than the US is borrowing it.  Remarkable!!!   :flush:


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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2010, 09:44:56 AM »
Economists saying with this new $600 billion dumped on the economy, the dollar will be worth 20% less in two years. :horrorsurprise:

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2010, 12:50:14 PM »
Economists saying with this new $600 billion dumped on the economy, the dollar will be worth 20% less in two years. :horrorsurprise:


With the interest rate at near 0% we have all the inflation control we could ever need. And if we did experience 10% inflation it wouldn't be the worst we have had in the last 30 years. Not quite the Zimbabwe situation.

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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2010, 01:08:52 PM »
Economists saying with this new $600 billion dumped on the economy, the dollar will be worth 20% less in two years. :horrorsurprise:


With the interest rate at near 0% we have all the inflation control we could ever need. And if we did experience 10% inflation it wouldn't be the worst we have had in the last 30 years. Not quite the Zimbabwe situation.

eff you Jimmy Carter

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2010, 01:10:49 PM »
If this has the intended effects on the dollar, it could certainly help out Wichita a great deal.  (Highest % of GMP from exports in the nation.)     :driving:

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2010, 02:13:22 PM »
German finance minister says Bernanke is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), US screwing over the world, policy Horrendous

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/germany-criticizes-us-stimulus-plans/story?id=12066566

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2010, 02:26:19 PM »
Sarah Palin sat down with Todd on her porch and typed out a little essay on this issue.  Turns out she thinks it's all Obama's fault, and he's ruining the economy/country.  Quantitative Easing is definitely a fancy term and it means that the Fed is simply creating money OUT OF THIN AIR!!!!!  :runaway:

I'm glad Sarah has spent so much time studying macroeconomic policy so she could author such a rational, cogent piece of prose on this issue.

Obama’s Clever Way to Punt the Tough Calls: Driving the Dollar Down
by Sarah Palin on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 at 10:15am

In his press conference on Monday, President Obama responded to critics of the Federal Reserve’s decision to start a new round of quantitative easing – a fancy term for printing money out of thin air. He claimed this move would drive up U.S. growth rates. He also warned that “the worst thing that could happen to the world economy, not just ours but the entire world’s economy is if we end up being stuck with no growth or very limited growth.”

 

The latter is certainly true. It would be a global disaster if the U.S. economy remained permanently stuck in the mud. But the same cannot be said of his claim that the Fed’s experiment in pump priming would automatically lead to increased economic growth. By the time this experiment is over, QE will make us queasy.

 

Will driving the dollar down in this way do anything to boost U.S. exports? The short answer is not really. A weaker dollar will temporarily boost exports by making our goods cheaper to sell; but inevitably other countries will respond in kind, triggering the kind of currency wars economists are warning us about. It’s precisely to prevent this scenario that World Bank President Robert Zoellick recently came out in favor of some new type of gold standard or “international reference point.” 

 

Will QE2 then at least boost domestic investment? No, again. As I explained in my speech in Phoenix, the reason banks aren’t lending and businesses aren’t investing isn’t because of insufficient access to credit. There’s plenty of money around, it’s just that no one’s willing to spend it. Big businesses especially have been hoarding cash. They’re not expanding or adding to their workforce because there’s just too much uncertainty created by a lot of big government experiments that aren’t working. It’s the President’s own policies that are creating this uncertainty.

 

The President is an educated man. I would hope that he knows these things as well as you and I do. So why then, if he knows it won’t really boost our exports or our domestic investments, would he still come out in defense of this dangerous experiment? I think the most plausible answer has to do with the debt. As liberal economist Paul Krugman has explained, a little inflation goes a long way towards driving down the value of the enormous national debt Obama has run up. And the higher the inflation, the greater the likelihood he won’t have to take any of the tough decisions needed to bring the deficit back down. In other words, pushing inflation upwards means you can have your cake and eat it too. You can spend all you like and then make the bill disappear by driving down the value of the dollar – buying with one hand the debt your reckless spending is issuing with the other. No need to cut spending, folks, just run the printing presses. It’s a win-win scenario.

 

Or maybe not. Because I fear there will be plenty of losers if this really happens, not least the millions of Americans who’ll see the value of their incomes and savings eroded. As the chair of the President’s own Debt Reduction Task Force, former CBO director Alice Rivlin explained, this sort of policy is no good. Sooner or later – probably sooner rather than later – it will come back to bite us in the behind. Rivlin warned: “As our debt mounts, the risk grows that our creditors, especially foreign creditors who own half our debt, will lose confidence in our ability to get our house in order and will demand dramatically higher interest rates.” Obviously, that’s even more likely to happen when they figure out that the Fed is deliberately driving down the value of the dollars they already hold. When they do lose confidence, Rivlin explained, that will spell disaster for our economy, “derailing the economic recovery and ballooning the cost of servicing the federal debt.”

 

If the President was serious about getting the economy moving again, he’d stop supporting the Fed’s dangerous experiments with our currency and focus instead on what actually works: reducing government spending and boosting business investment through good old fashioned supply side reforms (cutting taxes and reducing overly burdensome regulations). Simply running the printing presses in order to avoid paying off your debts is no way for a great nation to behave.

 

- Sarah Palin

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2010, 03:04:58 PM »
German finance minister says Bernanke is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), US screwing over the world, policy Horrendous

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/germany-criticizes-us-stimulus-plans/story?id=12066566


Figures he'd say that...GERMANY IS SOCIALIST!

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« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2010, 09:11:21 AM »
China able to persuade G-20 that US QE2 is stupid, bad for global economy

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Talks among G-20 leaders concluded, however, by the close of the discussions, any deal to address economic imbalances was shelved, because there is disagreement among the participants as to what is driving the imbalances globally and what role other variables, like currencies, play in such gaps. The issue has dominated the summit, as members are hoping to prevent what has been christened a "currency war" leading up to the meeting, and to build upon the agreement to not pursue competitive currency devaluations that came following the group's October gathering. The US has pushed for the Chinese currency, the yuan, also known as the renminbi, to appreciate more, however China has been able to gain support in its stance that the U.S. isn't living up to its responsibility as an issuer of a global reserve currency and obligation to stabilize capital markets by pursuing more quantitative easing.

Has anyone else noticed that the only news that helps our Stock market lately, is news about how well or poorly China is doing?

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« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2010, 12:18:09 PM »
China able to persuade G-20 that US QE2 is stupid, bad for global economy

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Talks among G-20 leaders concluded, however, by the close of the discussions, any deal to address economic imbalances was shelved, because there is disagreement among the participants as to what is driving the imbalances globally and what role other variables, like currencies, play in such gaps. The issue has dominated the summit, as members are hoping to prevent what has been christened a "currency war" leading up to the meeting, and to build upon the agreement to not pursue competitive currency devaluations that came following the group's October gathering. The US has pushed for the Chinese currency, the yuan, also known as the renminbi, to appreciate more, however China has been able to gain support in its stance that the U.S. isn't living up to its responsibility as an issuer of a global reserve currency and obligation to stabilize capital markets by pursuing more quantitative easing.

Has anyone else noticed that the only news that helps our Stock market lately, is news about how well or poorly China is doing?

How did you feel the moment you realized you were fully on board with Chinese policy?

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« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2010, 12:52:08 PM »
China able to persuade G-20 that US QE2 is stupid, bad for global economy

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Talks among G-20 leaders concluded, however, by the close of the discussions, any deal to address economic imbalances was shelved, because there is disagreement among the participants as to what is driving the imbalances globally and what role other variables, like currencies, play in such gaps. The issue has dominated the summit, as members are hoping to prevent what has been christened a "currency war" leading up to the meeting, and to build upon the agreement to not pursue competitive currency devaluations that came following the group's October gathering. The US has pushed for the Chinese currency, the yuan, also known as the renminbi, to appreciate more, however China has been able to gain support in its stance that the U.S. isn't living up to its responsibility as an issuer of a global reserve currency and obligation to stabilize capital markets by pursuing more quantitative easing.

Has anyone else noticed that the only news that helps our Stock market lately, is news about how well or poorly China is doing?

How did you feel the moment you realized you were fully on board with Chinese policy?

If only we were as capitalist as the Chinese. . .  :frown:

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« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2010, 01:15:55 PM »
China able to persuade G-20 that US QE2 is stupid, bad for global economy

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Talks among G-20 leaders concluded, however, by the close of the discussions, any deal to address economic imbalances was shelved, because there is disagreement among the participants as to what is driving the imbalances globally and what role other variables, like currencies, play in such gaps. The issue has dominated the summit, as members are hoping to prevent what has been christened a "currency war" leading up to the meeting, and to build upon the agreement to not pursue competitive currency devaluations that came following the group's October gathering. The US has pushed for the Chinese currency, the yuan, also known as the renminbi, to appreciate more, however China has been able to gain support in its stance that the U.S. isn't living up to its responsibility as an issuer of a global reserve currency and obligation to stabilize capital markets by pursuing more quantitative easing.

Has anyone else noticed that the only news that helps our Stock market lately, is news about how well or poorly China is doing?

How did you feel the moment you realized you were fully on board with Chinese policy?

If only we were as capitalist as the Chinese. . .  :frown:

Yeah, they've got it great. :jerk:

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Re: New $600 billion dollar spending spree!
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2010, 03:06:22 PM »
China able to persuade G-20 that US QE2 is stupid, bad for global economy

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Talks among G-20 leaders concluded, however, by the close of the discussions, any deal to address economic imbalances was shelved, because there is disagreement among the participants as to what is driving the imbalances globally and what role other variables, like currencies, play in such gaps. The issue has dominated the summit, as members are hoping to prevent what has been christened a "currency war" leading up to the meeting, and to build upon the agreement to not pursue competitive currency devaluations that came following the group's October gathering. The US has pushed for the Chinese currency, the yuan, also known as the renminbi, to appreciate more, however China has been able to gain support in its stance that the U.S. isn't living up to its responsibility as an issuer of a global reserve currency and obligation to stabilize capital markets by pursuing more quantitative easing.

Has anyone else noticed that the only news that helps our Stock market lately, is news about how well or poorly China is doing?

How did you feel the moment you realized you were fully on board with Chinese policy?

If only we were as capitalist as the Chinese. . .  :frown:

Yeah, they've got it great. :jerk:

They own us.