This is why I will never own an Apple product

[ew2x4]

http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-program?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)

But Apple's reach goes further than controlling technology: No apps that "encourage excessive consumption." Apps can't misspell Apple product names—like iTunz. Apps can't look like Apple's applications either. Apps "with metadata that mentions the name of any other computer platform" are out. Apps can't be defamatory or "mean-spirited." (Unless you're a professional satirist.) No apps that replicate pre-installed applications—like Mail. Apps can't portray "realistic images of people or animals being killed or maimed" or shot. Goodbye Call of Duty. No "Chat Roulette" apps.

[steve dave]

I have a new ipod touch and, I'm not gonna lie, I like the crap out of it.  It's just about the perfect airplane companion. 

[ew2x4]

I have a new ipod touch and, I'm not gonna lie, I like the crap out of it.  It's just about the perfect airplane companion. 

I have nothing against the ipod touch. I very much have something against what is in the link.

[OK_Cat]

don't see the big deal.  

[pissclams]

Why can't Apple decide what software they allow to operate within their environment?

[wetwillie]

Meh, just ignore the companies philosophy and enjoy all the kick ass products they offer.  Have you seen the new razor thin laptop they have coming out 

[Paul Moscow]

http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-program?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)

But Apple's reach goes further than controlling technology: No apps that "encourage excessive consumption." Apps can't misspell Apple product names—like iTunz. Apps can't look like Apple's applications either. Apps "with metadata that mentions the name of any other computer platform" are out. Apps can't be defamatory or "mean-spirited." (Unless you're a professional satirist.) No apps that replicate pre-installed applications—like Mail. Apps can't portray "realistic images of people or animals being killed or maimed" or shot. Goodbye Call of Duty. No "Chat Roulette" apps.

You don't know a lot about business.

[ew2x4]

http://gizmodo.com/5670812/big-brother-apple-and-the-death-of-the-program?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)

But Apple's reach goes further than controlling technology: No apps that "encourage excessive consumption." Apps can't misspell Apple product names—like iTunz. Apps can't look like Apple's applications either. Apps "with metadata that mentions the name of any other computer platform" are out. Apps can't be defamatory or "mean-spirited." (Unless you're a professional satirist.) No apps that replicate pre-installed applications—like Mail. Apps can't portray "realistic images of people or animals being killed or maimed" or shot. Goodbye Call of Duty. No "Chat Roulette" apps.

You don't know a lot about business.

I know that I have the right to decide what I want to do with the objects I purchase. This is a consumerist issue. Not a business issue. It may make them more money? Why should you care? How much stock do you own in them? People here are more likely to be a consumer, thus being affected as such.

Why can't Apple decide what software they allow to operate within their environment?

It affects competition. Greatly affects consumer selection. It forces developers to lose profit. There are a ton of reasons why I don't want them to decide what software they allow. Nobody but the FCC can make Apple not "decide what software they allow to operate within their environment" except for the consumers. The only people that should be for this is Apple. Anyone who buys their products or develops for their products should be seriously angry.

[OK_Cat]

hey dingleberry,

if you don't want to be forced to buy something, then don't buy it.   

[Paul Moscow]

This is like me walking into Mcdonalds and demanding they give me a slice of pizza because pizza makers everywhere are suffering.

[wetwillie]

Just spit balling here but didn't Microsoft get sued for Anti-trust along the lines that they packaged their software into the operating system they sold to control the market for word processors, spread sheets etc?

[Paul Moscow]

Just spit balling here but didn't Microsoft get sued for Anti-trust along the lines that they packaged their software into the operating system they sold to control the market for word processors, spread sheets etc?

I see what you are trying to get at. The case against microsoft was basically that they created their software to be incompatible with other operating systems, as you said effectively creating an impossible-to-match competitive advantage.

What ew is saying might be closer to the complaints levied against Wal-Mart. That because of there preeminent place in the marketplace they can dictate to manufacturers certain price points, product characteristics, etc, that wouldn't arise normally in the market. Creating an unfair (but not impossible to match) competitive advantage for outsiders.

Apple, is dictating only content as far as I know. His complaint is more similar to Wal-Mart or another retailer deciding not to sell CD's with explicit lyrics. Artists and recording studios representing them of course complain that they are being unfairly closed out of the market. Of course, if they chose to make a CD without explicit lyrics (which most have) they will get the sales they are missing out on. Just like the developers could in this scenario.

[asava]

This is like me walking into Mcdonalds and demanding they give me a slice of pizza because pizza makers everywhere are suffering.

 

[ew2x4]

Just spit balling here but didn't Microsoft get sued for Anti-trust along the lines that they packaged their software into the operating system they sold to control the market for word processors, spread sheets etc?

I see what you are trying to get at. The case against microsoft was basically that they created their software to be incompatible with other operating systems, as you said effectively creating an impossible-to-match competitive advantage.

What ew is saying might be closer to the complaints levied against Wal-Mart. That because of there preeminent place in the marketplace they can dictate to manufacturers certain price points, product characteristics, etc, that wouldn't arise normally in the market. Creating an unfair (but not impossible to match) competitive advantage for outsiders.

Apple, is dictating only content as far as I know. His complaint is more similar to Wal-Mart or another retailer deciding not to sell CD's with explicit lyrics. Artists and recording studios representing them of course complain that they are being unfairly closed out of the market. Of course, if they chose to make a CD without explicit lyrics (which most have) they will get the sales they are missing out on. Just like the developers could in this scenario.

Does Walmart compete in the recording industry? If they did (honestly don't know if they own any stake in anything similar), then it would be close.

hey dingleberry,

if you don't want to be forced to buy something, then don't buy it.   

Who is forcing who to buy anything? A company is doing something I don't agree with and I'm deciding as a consumer I don't want to support it. Not that complicated.

[pissclams]

Life without Chat Roulette?!!?1/

[OK_Cat]

 

[ArchE_Cat]

This is nothing more than an architect or engineering specifying something very tight and then not allowing any wiggle room or equal substitutes. They're only limiting apps sold through their app store.

[OK_Cat]

This is nothing more than an architect or engineering specifying something very tight and then not allowing any wiggle room or equal substitutes.

also known as "life"

[Paul Moscow]

This is nothing more than an architect or engineering specifying something very tight and then not allowing any wiggle room or equal substitutes. They're only limiting apps sold through their app store.

I would say that creating an app not named "Dirty Fingers" is more than enough wiggle room.

[pissclams]

They're only limiting apps sold through their app store.

very important to note.  we're talking about crap you load on your iphone/ipad/ipod, not an imac.

[ew2x4]

This is nothing more than an architect or engineering specifying something very tight and then not allowing any wiggle room or equal substitutes. They're only limiting apps sold through their app store.

It's a lot more. Apple is a software developer that is being able to choose what software is sold on it's machine. Not only that, they're chopping off 25% profit from the developer. This is a mafia union boss. Not any old architect specifying what ever p-lam.

Not a hard concept to understand. Closed systems are never good for the consumer. Thank God it's only on 10% of the world's PC's. If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.

They're only limiting apps sold through their app store.

very important to note.  we're talking about crap you load on your iphone/ipad/ipod, not an imac.

No, Apple is rolling out with an "app store" for OS X Lion. Read the article. Go back and watch the keynote from a week or 2 ago.

[hemmy]

Microsoft lets its employees run Windows, Linux, or OSX on their machines.

(Lets face it, neither of those OS's are an actual threat to significant market share)

[pissclams]

If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.

so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?

[ew2x4]

If Microsoft had done this, retards in turtle necks everywhere would be crying about it. Not to mention the EU.

so in this scenario, what color turtle neck are you wearing?

I think I'd be with the EU on this one. The turtleneckers' motivation would be completely different. I'm actually for consumer's rights.

I'm sorry, but if I buy something, no way in hell I want other people to still control it. The library of congress agrees, which is why it made cell phone jail breaking legal.

[_33]

It must really suck to care about stuff like this.