Back from Waco

[catzacker]

I think OB needs to be told that if he doesn't completely overhaul the defensive coaching staff this offseason and/or also hire 1 if not 2 dynamic recruiters, and change his ways on recruiting he has to go (he should go anyway, but we all know that's not going to happen right now).  

Of course all the Powertards will roll out their litany of excuses about why this, or that can't be done, and it isn't easy blah, blah, blah.  

If you're going to have a "coach'm up mentality" (and I believe there's lots of credence to that in football as long as you're recruiting guys with a solid baseline to start with, like speed) then you've got to have guys who can . . . coach.

I think Burns and Joe Bob are fine to stay.  Mo retiring wouldn't be a bad thing.  And the coordinator definitely needs to be adjusted.  

a couple of honest questions:
1 - what has joebob ever done?  he's been here since 2003 coaching DE's and I'm not sure what territory he's responsible for (I'm going to go ahead and assume the KS HS's and JC's) but IMO, he sucks as a recruiter.

2 - What is so special about Burns?  He, allegedly, burned bridges in Tulsa with the HS coaches while head coach there.  Though I can't find the article/message board post that "supported" this allegation.  

But yeah, MO go go F himself.  He and Del can go retire and brokeback mountain it up.

[Cartierfor3]

Has to be the worst defensive performance since Prince left.  Simply embarrassing.

It was worse than any Prince performance.  Again. 

2007 in Lincoln would be hard to top for cacty performances.

Yeah, you would think it would be hard.  But we still managed.

I don't see why fans feel the need to find the worst defensive performance in two decades and then use that as a line of demarcation between what is "acceptable" and what isn't.  This exactly how we allowed basketball to get terrible.

Good post.  In the DOD if we gave up 28 we would consider that a disaster.  Now it seems like under 20 is a friggin' miracle.

[ArchE_Cat]

ADJC needs to step up and make personnel decisions. Old Ballz has proven that he is not capable of making personnel decisions. If JC fires somebody and OB doesn't like it then he can go shazbot! himself. OB would rather be overbearing and override play calling then fire someone.

OB: "You're such a dumb ass.....btw I'm sorry for cursing like a sailor."

Terrible coordinator:"So I guess I need to 'look for other opportunites?'"

OB: "No, you can keep your job. I'm just going to micro manage the hell out of you during the week. Then I'll veto every call you make during the games. Because your stupid cac. Again sorry for the foul language."

Terrible coordinator:"Won't all the vetoing lead to late substitutions/delay of game penalties?"

OB:"Yes, but my old nepotistic egomaniac ass will just blame it on you. And, you'll take it like a champ because I'm letting you keep your job."

Terrible coordinator: " "

OB: "Sorry again for the cursing. Now get the hell out of my office. I'm going to watch Pinocchio and eat my daily meal."

[DQ12]

K-State is 5-2 and we're going to a bowl game (barring some unlikely disaster at UNT).  7 wins is very probable.  What more did anyone expect this season?

[Pete]

K-State is 5-2 and we're going to a bowl game (barring some unlikely disaster at UNT).  7 wins is very probable.  What more did anyone expect this season?

I expected 6.   But, I also expected us to demonstrate that we would be competitive in games that Ron wasn't competitive in....the whole "reason for old balls coaching" part, right? 

[DQ12]

I was at the game last night and am confident in saying that K-State was "competitive," depending on your definition of the word.  Obviously the defense was horrid, but part of that was facing the best quarterback in the big 12, imo.  After all, we covered the ~7 point spread.  Prince lost to a much worse Baylor team by much more.

My point is, prior to the season, if we could have all looked at our scores thus far, we'd all say "hey not bad." 

[Panjandrum]

a couple of honest questions:
1 - what has joebob ever done?  he's been here since 2003 coaching DE's and I'm not sure what territory he's responsible for (I'm going to go ahead and assume the KS HS's and JC's) but IMO, he sucks as a recruiter.

2 - What is so special about Burns?  He, allegedly, burned bridges in Tulsa with the HS coaches while head coach there.  Though I can't find the article/message board post that "supported" this allegation.  

But yeah, MO go go F himself.  He and Del can go retire and brokeback mountain it up.

I enjoyed this post, but the highlighted passage really put it over the top for me.

Mo (to Del): I can't quit you!!!!

[kso_FAN]

I was at the game last night and am confident in saying that K-State was "competitive," depending on your definition of the word.  Obviously the defense was horrid, but part of that was facing the best quarterback in the big 12, imo.  After all, we covered the ~7 point spread.  Prince lost to a much worse Baylor team by much more.

My point is, prior to the season, if we could have all looked at our scores thus far, we'd all say "hey not bad."  

The defense was ridiculously bad, but we were still competitive in Waco.  I can't argue that.  I thought we'd play better against Nebraska.  Overall, the defense is much worse than I thought it would be, but 5-2 at this point in the season is about what I expected.  

But giving up nearly 700 yards is tough to take, so I can understand the reaction of our fans.

As for coaches, I don't know what we want.  We aren't going to have everyone on the staff be great recruiters.  I think Joe Bob has proven to be a pretty good coach and he does a pretty good job with Kansas kids.  Go ahead and tell me it doesn't matter, I think it does.  And Burns has a decent track record, and besides some rumor there is no reason to believe he burned a ton of bridges in Oklahoma for recruiting.  I think he's got the type of attitude on defense most of our fans want as well.  Those are definitely two coaches we should keep around IMHO.

[Panjandrum]

I was at the game last night and am confident in saying that K-State was "competitive," depending on your definition of the word.  Obviously the defense was horrid, but part of that was facing the best quarterback in the big 12, imo.  After all, we covered the ~7 point spread.  Prince lost to a much worse Baylor team by much more.

My point is, prior to the season, if we could have all looked at our scores thus far, we'd all say "hey not bad."  

The defense was ridiculously bad, but we were still competitive in Waco.  I can't argue that.  I thought we'd play better against Nebraska.  Overall, the defense is much worse than I thought it would be, but 5-2 at this point in the season is about what I expected.  

But giving up nearly 700 yards is tough to take, so I can understand the reaction of our fans.

As for coaches, I don't know what we want.  We aren't going to have everyone on the staff be great recruiters.  I think Joe Bob has proven to be a pretty good coach and he does a pretty good job with Kansas kids.  Go ahead and tell me it doesn't matter, I think it does.  And Burns has a decent track record, and besides some rumor there is no reason to believe he burned a ton of bridges in Oklahoma for recruiting.  I think he's got the type of attitude on defense most of our fans want as well.  Those are definitely two coaches we should keep around IMHO.

I'll probably be in the minority, but I don't have a problem with Cosh as a position coach.  I just think it's absolutely ridiculous to A) make him a coordinator, and B) give him the AHC tag to give him a bump in salary.

I don't know if any of the Leavitt rumors are true, but if Mo can be convinced to retire, Snyder has a golden opportunity to go get a decent coordinator/DL coach.  I don't have a problem in keeping Burns and Clements, for the most part.  To be honest, and it probably sounds stupid, I don't think we can do much better with Snyder here.  Given his age and his reputation for long hours, my guess is that it there will be a small number of really good assistants lining up to take the job.

I guess, in my dream scenario, I'd love to see BV get "stolen" from OU to be the LB coach and Leavitt to come be the "co-DC" for linemen.   You'd have your dynamite recruiter and possible HCIW in BV and a steady hand in Leavitt.

I know that would never happen, but it's my dream.

[kso_FAN]

I think a realistic hope is Leavitt at DC. Doubtful on BV. I think Leavitt with Burns would be a good combo actually. If Cosh would take a demotion, fine, but I don't see that working.

[Panjandrum]

I think a realistic hope is Leavitt at DC. Doubtful on BV. I think Leavitt with Burns would be a good combo actually. If Cosh would take a demotion, fine, but I don't see that working.

That's the million dollar question.

Will Snyder fire Cosh?  Surely, he won't just take a pure demotion, so you have to fire him, right?

I highly doubt Bill will do that, so we'll see 'co-coordinators' again, regardless.

God, I still for the life of me don't know what he was thinking with Cosh.  It was a horrible, horrible move.

["storm"nut]

I think a realistic hope is Leavitt at DC. Doubtful on BV. I think Leavitt with Burns would be a good combo actually. If Cosh would take a demotion, fine, but I don't see that working.

Mo would have to retire.
I would not be surprised if Cosh would take the demotion, give him the Co-Title and keep his money the same and we are good. (a lot of money for a okay LB coach)

[michigancat]

What in the eff has Cosh done to make anyone think he is less shitty as a position coach than he is as a coordinator?

[kso_FAN]

I think a realistic hope is Leavitt at DC. Doubtful on BV. I think Leavitt with Burns would be a good combo actually. If Cosh would take a demotion, fine, but I don't see that working.

Mo would have to retire.
I would not be surprised if Cosh would take the demotion, give him the Co-Title and keep his money the same and we are good. (a lot of money for a okay LB coach)

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mo retire at all.  I'm kind of surprised he didn't after last season.

[catzacker]

What in the eff has Cosh done to make anyone think he is less cacty as a position coach than he is as a coordinator?

i think he is terrible all around.  i've seen nothing from him, as a recruiter or coach, that warrants him being employed on this staff.  maybe you give him credit for "developing" archer? I dunno.  But he certainly didn't recruit anyone in '04 and '05 and besides his sperm has he recruited anyone that has made it to campus yet?

and as for JoeBob, I agree that recruiting KS is important (at least getting the talented ones to come here) but I'm not sure he's done that.  And more important is the recruiting of KS JUCOS which is a goddamn embarassment.

[Pete]

What in the eff has Cosh done to make anyone think he is less cacty as a position coach than he is as a coordinator?

When anyone honestly talks about moving Cosh to being merely a position coach, they are simply being realistic...they understand that he'll never, ever be fired. 

[sys]

K-State is 5-2 and we're going to a bowl game (barring some unlikely disaster at UNT).  7 wins is very probable.  What more did anyone expect this season?

they're mad because coffman is good, and the defense is bad, and they predicted the opposite for both.  it's just ego.

[Pete]

K-State is 5-2 and we're going to a bowl game (barring some unlikely disaster at UNT).  7 wins is very probable.  What more did anyone expect this season?

they're mad because coffman is good, and the defense is bad, and they predicted the opposite for both.  it's just ego.

I'd add that the OL is not really that good and DT (a darling, justifiably) is suffering. 


I am guilty on all counts.

[Panjandrum]

K-State is 5-2 and we're going to a bowl game (barring some unlikely disaster at UNT).  7 wins is very probable.  What more did anyone expect this season?

they're mad because coffman is good, and the defense is bad, and they predicted the opposite for both.  it's just ego.

I think there's a lot of latent hostility because this defense has sucked for about seven years now and really has no signs of getting better.

I think the five stages of grief were reset when Snyder was rehired, but I'm guessing we're all back into the 'Anger' stage with a number of people moving into bargaining (i.e. Fire Cosh, or I won't renew my tickets!).  People will ultimately be depressed when he's not, and they will just move into the acceptance stage knowing we won't get better until Snyder re-retires.

[Panjandrum]

K-State is 5-2 and we're going to a bowl game (barring some unlikely disaster at UNT).  7 wins is very probable.  What more did anyone expect this season?

they're mad because coffman is good, and the defense is bad, and they predicted the opposite for both.  it's just ego.

I'd add that the OL is not really that good

It would help if they'd stop talking to the media.  They 'say' all of the right things, and people get all excited, but when the whistle blows, they really aren't that impressive.

[Trim]

K-State is 5-2 and we're going to a bowl game (barring some unlikely disaster at UNT).  7 wins is very probable.  What more did anyone expect this season?

they're mad because coffman is good, and the defense is bad, and they predicted the opposite for both.  it's just ego.

I'd add that the OL is not really that good

It would help if they'd stop talking to the media.  They 'say' all of the right things, and people get all excited, but when the whistle blows, they really aren't that impressive.

THEY WENT ON MULTIPLE CAMPING/FISHING TRIPS TOGETHER.  LIKE BROTHERS.

[Dugout DickStone]

You want the hair on the back of your neck to stand up?  Consider the distinct possibility that when Snyder re-retires, his replacement is someone that currently works at Vanier.

I just got the shivers.

[doom]

I'm not mad about how this season will end.  I am mad that next year we won't be any better unless we dump cosh and get someone who can teach tackling. 

[wetwillie]

I think my anger is selfish and reflects what I enjoy in football. We have brought in decent talent on offense and with brown and another decent back next year paired with someone as good or better than carson alongside a pretty solid wr corp we should have an offense that scores enough points to win.  The problem is I don't like watching an average offense.  I like watching people get their rough ridin' heads ripped off by a bunch of borderline psychos that get to take the field on defense. I want to see people get hurt on the other team every game.  I want to see wideouts consistently drop passes over the middle because they know our bat crap crazy safeties will lead with the helmet and knock them the eff out.  I would rather see us win games 9-6 and punish the crap out of their offense than have a chance to win in a shootout.  I'm guessing most of you would probably prefer an average defense with an Oregon style offense that scores you into submission but give me the roided out degenerates that play dirty and live to break peoples legs any day.

[DQ12]

Arthur is coming next year guys.  He played at Miami (FLORIDA!).  Defense will be top 30 next year without a doubt.