The step down Snyder site?

[j rake]

Anybody remember it from 2005?

And if (when?) K-State loses to KU, what are the odds it will be back?

 

[1992]

Don't even remember that - but what a GREAT idea.  I just KNOW it will work!

[michigancat]

I remember the fireronprince site before he coached a game that was set up by someone that worked for 810.  But definitely don't remember a "Snyder step down" site.

[j rake]

Don't even remember that - but what a GREAT idea.  I just KNOW it will work!

Worked last time. Was very controversial.

[j rake]

I remember the fireronprince site before he coached a game that was set up by someone that worked for 810.  But definitely don't remember a "Snyder step down" site.

It was written orignally as an open letter, something to the effect of, "Bill, we appreciate all that you've done, but you've lost your touch and need to walk away for the good of the program."

Surely somebody remembers it. 

[Cire]

I remember the fireronprince site before he coached a game that was set up by someone that worked for 810.  But definitely don't remember a "Snyder step down" site.

It was written orignally as an open letter, something to the effect of, "Bill, we appreciate all that you've done, but you've lost your touch and need to walk away for the good of the program."

Surely somebody remembers it. 

do not remember that at all.

I remember the alumni letter with the photocopy donation check to fire wooly though.

[j rake]

OK, I've asked a handful of people and nobody remembers the site I'm referring to. I know for a fact it existed, because GPC folks freaked out and wanted to kill the guy who started it while others supported it. About two weeks after the site was up (it was only up for a few days, I think), Bill announced he would be walking away.

Someone remember it or I'll 

[michigancat]

OK, I've asked a handful of people and nobody remembers the site I'm referring to. I know for a fact it existed, because GPC folks freaked out and wanted to kill the guy who started it while others supported it. About two weeks after the site was up (it was only up for a few days, I think), Bill announced he would be walking away.

Someone remember it or I'll 

that sounds exactly like the fire prince site.

[hemmy]

http://fireturnergill.com/

[HugeUpside]

It'd be nice if that was a comma, not a colon.

[j rake]

Found someone else who also remembers the site. At least I know I'm not crazy.

According to http://web.archive.org, there was a domain registered to www.firebillsnyder.com that was updated Nov. 24, 2005, about 10 days after Snyder made it official. Not sure if that was the site or not.

[_33]

Found someone else who also remembers the site. At least I know I'm not crazy.

Or maybe you thought you found someone else who remembers but really it's just that you have multiple personality disorder and you just asked yourself if you remember it.  Then you would be double crazy because you remember something that never happened and you have multiple personality disorder.

[j rake]

Found someone else who also remembers the site. At least I know I'm not crazy.

Or maybe you thought you found someone else who remembers but really it's just that you have multiple personality disorder and you just asked yourself if you remember it.  Then you would be double crazy because you remember something that never happened and you have multiple personality disorder.

 

[MeatSauce]

OK, I've asked a handful of people and nobody remembers the site I'm referring to. I know for a fact it existed, because GPC folks freaked out and wanted to kill the guy who started it while others supported it. About two weeks after the site was up (it was only up for a few days, I think), Bill announced he would be walking away.

Someone remember it or I'll 

remember it.  It was very shortlived, and the cause of some of the better lectury  :powerespect: POAT

[yoga-like_abana]

Don't even remember that - but what a GREAT idea.  I just KNOW it will work!

Worked last time. Was very controversial.

Thank goodness the imaginary website did the trick.

[j rake]

Here's what got me thinking about it, by the way ...

So we knew going into Thursday night’s game between Nebraska and Kansas State that the Huskers had the far superior athletes.  We knew that Nebraska should win the game.  We knew that Kansas State was going to have to catch some breaks just to stay in it.  But what we didn’t know was that Nebraska was going to make Kansas State look foolish, and, the worst part, poorly coached.  Which brings us to the tough part.

LHC Bill Snyder is a Hall of Famer.  He’s likely one of the ten greatest coaches in the history of the sport.  All of that is a given.  But that doesn’t change the hard fact that it’s possible K-State is better off with Snyder leaving after this season.  Now I will explain why.

LHC Bill Snyder turned 71 earlier this week.  He isn’t going to coach into his eighties; at least I can’t imagine that he is.  With that being the case, we know he likely is only going to be around for another few years.  And that means we have to ask ourselves what can he do in the next few years.  Can he win a Big 12 North championship?  No, not after what happened on Thursday, and after this year the Big 12 North is gone.

Can he win a Big 12 title in the new Big 12?  No way, impossible with having to play all the schools from the former Big 12 South every year.  So what can he realistically accomplish?  Not much.  And we have all seen that when you make a coaching change it takes a few years to rebound, a few years to get the right players in to fit that coach’s system.  All of that brings us to one hard truth—LHC Bill Snyder should retire—for real this time—after this year.

This isn’t an indictment of his coaching ability.  This isn’t saying the game has passed him by.  This is simply admitting that if he’s only planning on staying around another few years, there isn’t much he can accomplish.  And given the fact that the next few seasons are going to be rough seasons for the Wildcats no matter who is coaching them, they are better off suffering these few years under the person who—in theory—is going to be leading them for the next decade or so.

These are difficult truths for Kansas State fans, but they are truths.  LHC Bill Snyder is the Kansas State program, but he can’t lead it forever.  When he came back the hope was that he could lift it back up to a level that his successor could take over a program on the rise.  That clearly isn’t going to happen. 

Sometimes you have to make a decision that hurts in the short term, to give you the best chance to succeed in the long term.  For Kansas State, that decision is a coaching change after this season, as sacrilegious as that sounds.

http://www.610sports.com/pages/8192657.php?pid=25258

[michigancat]

This isn’t an indictment of his coaching ability.  This isn’t saying the game has passed him by.  This is simply admitting that if he’s only planning on staying around another few years, there isn’t much he can accomplish.  And given the fact that the next few seasons are going to be rough seasons for the Wildcats no matter who is coaching them, they are better off suffering these few years under the person who—in theory—is going to be leading them for the next decade or so.

These are difficult truths for Kansas State fans, but they are truths.  LHC Bill Snyder is the Kansas State program, but he can’t lead it forever.  When he came back the hope was that he could lift it back up to a level that his successor could take over a program on the rise.  That clearly isn’t going to happen. 


http://www.610sports.com/pages/8192657.php?pid=25258

Great column.  This is the heart of why it we wouldn't be pissed if a guy like GP or Venebles got curbstomped midway through their 2nd year - they wouldn't be dead by the time they get something decent together, unlike Snyder (whom I doubt will ever get something decent together).

(However, unlike Nick Wright, I don't think he's a very good coach any more.  Still, the issues regarding recruiting and length of tenure are more concerning).

[nosejob]

All I ermember is seeing the Bill on the sideline for the last time and an empty house. You'd think hed got the message that time.

[unleashthemob]

Like Joe pa, Bill is simply nothing more than a overpriced figure head...only difference is Joe pa is surrounded by coaches who can actually coach and recruit while bill surrounds himself with his has been buddies for which he feels obligated to even if they can't coach or recruit. I agree, something has to be done, but this time it has to be done correctly. We simply can't go out and hire another 2 bit used car salesman like the prince of darkness, because I don't think the program could handle Bill part 3 (the trilogy) we need the football equivalent of Frank...somebody who is young, loyal, and hungry!!!!

[Saulbadguy]

I attempted to register firebillsnyder.com after the UMASS game last year but it was taken.

[pencat]

Like Joe pa, Bill is simply nothing more than a overpriced figure head...only difference is Joe pa is surrounded by coaches who can actually coach and recruit while bill surrounds himself with his has been buddies for which he feels obligated to even if they can't coach or recruit. I agree, something has to be done, but this time it has to be done correctly. We simply can't go out and hire another 2 bit used car salesman like the prince of darkness, because I don't think the program could handle Bill part 3 (the trilogy) we need the football equivalent of Frank...somebody who is young, loyal, and hungry!!!!

Apparently the cost of calming the waters is very high.