So . . .

[sonofdaxjones]

all the powertards are saying, "oh, be patient, the TALENT is coming".  

Really . . . so where is the DT talent coming from??  We have 2 H.S. DT's committed, 1 is likely a sign and place, the other needs another 30 pounds minimum.    We need at least 2 JC LB's . . . so far we have none committed.   Brown better be a hell of a player.  

I am also sick as as f_ck of seeing us recruit on razor thin margins.   It's always the 1 guy who doesn't pan out, the 1 guy who doesn't qualify . . . golly if we only had that guy now.  

Well this team has glaring weaknesses, and lots of opportunity.   If this staff can't sign at least 4 DT's, of which 2 or 3 are JC's.   If this staff can't land at least 2 JC LB's that can play . . . of which NONE are qualifying risks, NONE are rough ridin' head cases, all will be on campus ready to go.   Then the whole lot of them should be fired . . . they couldn't sell Beer at Octoberfest, they couldn't sell Whale Fat to an eskimo, they couldn't sell a starving man a steak.   I am sick of us having glaring weaknesses and the staff recruits 1 guy, or maybe 2, and the 2nd guy might make it if he gets all A's in the next 36 hours of class work.    There's really no excuse for that at any D1 BCS school.    

[unleashthemob]

Amen!!

[KSUTOMMY]

The problem is the talent ISN’T coming (at least not that I can see) on the defensive side of the ball – this is the university of all the eggs in one GD basket and it makes me crazy. Next year will be douchebag defense ver 2.0. Thanks Cosh for being a worthless sack of hullabaloo – thanks LHCBS for hiring the same crappy MF assistants who rode this baby into the ground the last time, hell, why not bring back Bobby MF Elliott while you are at it. I have lost all faith in OBz and his staff to do anything beneficial for this team. If I hear about one more recruit saying, “Well, they were recruiting me – but I haven’t heard from them in a couple of months.” I am going to freak the FCK out.

[Panjandrum]

The problem is the talent ISN’T coming (at least not that I can see) on the defensive side of the ball – this is the university of all the eggs in one GD basket and it makes me crazy. Next year will be douchebag defense ver 2.0. Thanks Cosh for being a worthless sack of hullabaloo – thanks LHCBS for hiring the same crappy MF assistants who rode this baby into the ground the last time, hell, why not bring back Bobby MF Elliott while you are at it. I have lost all faith in OBz and his staff to do anything beneficial for this team. If I hear about one more recruit saying, “Well, they were recruiting me – but I haven’t heard from them in a couple of months.” I am going to freak the FCK out.

Totally unfair.  Elliot would have been WAY better than Cosh.

[114Hickory]

all the powertards are saying, "oh, be patient, the TALENT is coming".  

Really . . . so where is the DT talent coming from??  We have 2 H.S. DT's committed, 1 is likely a sign and place, the other needs another 30 pounds minimum.    We need at least 2 JC LB's . . . so far we have none committed.   Brown better be a hell of a player.  

I am also sick as as f_ck of seeing us recruit on razor thin margins.   It's always the 1 guy who doesn't pan out, the 1 guy who doesn't qualify . . . golly if we only had that guy now.  

Well this team has glaring weaknesses, and lots of opportunity.   If this staff can't sign at least 4 DT's, of which 2 or 3 are JC's.   If this staff can't land at least 2 JC LB's that can play . . . of which NONE are qualifying risks, NONE are foooocking head cases, all will be on campus ready to go.   Then the whole lot of them should be fired . . . they couldn't sell Beer at Octoberfest, they couldn't sell Whale Fat to an eskimo, they couldn't sell a starving man a steak.   I am sick of us having glaring weaknesses and the staff recruits 1 guy, or maybe 2, and the 2nd guy might make it if he gets all A's in the next 36 hours of class work.    There's really no excuse for that at any D1 BCS school.    

To be fair, this would likely cause severe GI problems for the starving man and they probably shouldn't sell him a steak.  Otherwise, good point.

[KSUTOMMY]

The problem is the talent ISN’T coming (at least not that I can see) on the defensive side of the ball – this is the university of all the eggs in one GD basket and it makes me crazy. Next year will be douchebag defense ver 2.0. Thanks Cosh for being a worthless sack of hullabaloo – thanks LHCBS for hiring the same crappy MF assistants who rode this baby into the ground the last time, hell, why not bring back Bobby MF Elliott while you are at it. I have lost all faith in OBz and his staff to do anything beneficial for this team. If I hear about one more recruit saying, “Well, they were recruiting me – but I haven’t heard from them in a couple of months.” I am going to freak the FCK out.

Totally unfair.  Elliot would have been WAY better than Cosh.

You think? I beleive that when we let Beilema go it was obvious who the defensive mind was and it wasn't Elliot.

[kstatefreak42]

Princeton Jackson

[Panjandrum]

The problem is the talent ISN’T coming (at least not that I can see) on the defensive side of the ball – this is the university of all the eggs in one GD basket and it makes me crazy. Next year will be douchebag defense ver 2.0. Thanks Cosh for being a worthless sack of hullabaloo – thanks LHCBS for hiring the same crappy MF assistants who rode this baby into the ground the last time, hell, why not bring back Bobby MF Elliott while you are at it. I have lost all faith in OBz and his staff to do anything beneficial for this team. If I hear about one more recruit saying, “Well, they were recruiting me – but I haven’t heard from them in a couple of months.” I am going to freak the FCK out.

Totally unfair.  Elliot would have been WAY better than Cosh.

You think? I beleive that when we let Beilema go it was obvious who the defensive mind was and it wasn't Elliot.

We don't have a defensive mind now, either.

We weren't exactly overflowing with talent in 04/05, but the total defense numbers were adequate.  We were ranked in the mid-40s at that time.  Scoring defense was pretty high, but not much higher than where we are now, and we're just getting warmed up into the difficult part of the season.  I fully expect Baylor and Okie Light to push us to the bottom of the rankings by the end of the month and into what we've come to expect the last five years.

[slimz]

I have no idea who this guy is, but his evaluation of Snyder seems relevant to this thread:

6. LHC Bill Snyder, Kansas State

Record: 142-74-1 overall, 6-5 in bowls

Milestones: Four division titles, one Big 12 title

Strengths: Prepares for a game as well as any coach in the Big 12. Works however many hours it takes. Mild-mannered style allows his players to generate the emotion. Believes in excelling at special teams, and generally gets that result. Grooms other coaches for bigger and better things. Working the percentages, Snyder turned around an awful K-State program before Kansas or Missouri got a clue.

Weaknesses: Softens his non-conference schedule for easy wins. Can be stubborn and intractable, not adjusting within the game until it’s too late. His JUCO-reliant recruiting method is akin to roulette, and the Wildcats’ talent base suffers as a result. Snyder builds his offense around the quarterback to such an extent that he needs an elite one to have much success. Snyder is just 15-19 in his last three seasons as a head coach, and that 28-8 record he chalked up against Kansas and Missouri during his career won't be so easy to reproduce in his second stint.

I'm not sure that the non-con slate should be placed in weakness. Some years it's probably a strength.

Also not sure that K-State would necessarily need an "elite" QB to have much success. A "good" QB would probably be sufficient...Jon Beasley didn't have the physical tools of a Bishop, but still thrived.  I haven't seen much of Tyler Hansen, but he strikes me as a possible "good" QB in Snyder's system.

[Panjandrum]

Princeton Jackson

I'd take Princeton Jackson, Josh Francis, and Dextrell Simmons (since he can probably play the "Wildcat" safety since he's already kind of a hybrid).

I'd kill for Maurice Couch at DT and Cornelius Carradine at DE (odds of getting either are slim).

And I don't care where we get them, but we need 2 JUCO CBs.  Maybe three of Darious Thomas and Courtney Thompson don't get eligible again.

We need like 6-7 more JUCO defensive players next year.  At least.

[MeatSauce]

Princeton Jackson

I'd take Princeton Jackson, Josh Francis, and Dextrell Simmons (since he can probably play the "Wildcat" safety since he's already kind of a hybrid).

I'd kill for Maurice Couch at DT and Cornelius Carradine at DE (odds of getting either are slim).

And I don't care where we get them, but we need 2 JUCO CBs.  Maybe three of Darious Thomas and Courtney Thompson don't get eligible again.

We need like 6-7 more JUCO defensive players next year.  At least.

This is my biggest issue.  People are getting all jacked up about Snydz signing kids early, and filling the class up instead of starting in December this time around....the thing is, he's just filling it w/ bodies.  The depth chart isn't improving as a result of most of these 'cruits.  The guys still out there, basically everyone mentioned above are the real meat of the class we need/must have.... besides Tuggle.  He was a big get, along w/ Kennard, as far as "Players ready to contribute" type guys.

[Paul Moscow]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/player-Joseph-Randle-80695

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/player-Dominique-Jones-77813

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/player-Justin-McCay-68780

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/player-Devin-Hedgepeth-88386

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/player-Lucas-Vincent-87901

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/player-Lawrence-Rumph-89056

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/player-Jeremiah-Attaochu-81648

http://rivals.yahoo.com/nebraska/football/recruiting/player-Toquavius-Gilchrist-103498

[Pittcat]

Really?  All of those links from the nubb rivals site?   

[fatty fat fat]

who knows. i don't think we are a better football team this year compared to last. that's the best way to measure recruiting.

[Panjandrum]

Princeton Jackson

I'd take Princeton Jackson, Josh Francis, and Dextrell Simmons (since he can probably play the "Wildcat" safety since he's already kind of a hybrid).

I'd kill for Maurice Couch at DT and Cornelius Carradine at DE (odds of getting either are slim).

And I don't care where we get them, but we need 2 JUCO CBs.  Maybe three of Darious Thomas and Courtney Thompson don't get eligible again.

We need like 6-7 more JUCO defensive players next year.  At least.

This is my biggest issue.  People are getting all jacked up about Snydz signing kids early, and filling the class up instead of starting in December this time around....the thing is, he's just filling it w/ bodies.  The depth chart isn't improving as a result of most of these 'cruits.  The guys still out there, basically everyone mentioned above are the real meat of the class we need/must have.... besides Tuggle.  He was a big get, along w/ Kennard, as far as "Players ready to contribute" type guys.

Well, true, but the prep players seem like good prospects.  They just won't help immediately.

Sams is the best QB recruit we've had (non-Freeman) since Ell.  Harvill is actually a really nice prospect for a 3-Tech style tackle to play off of the nose.  If he can get up to 275 or 280, he may be a pretty nice get.  Hopefully, Clark is a qualifying risk up until signing day, and he ends up getting eligible this summer to keep other schools at bay.  Otherwise, we'll just send him to Butler or something.  Bryant had an offer from Kentucky, so he's not a bad pick.  He's just light and will probably need a couple of years.

The offensive linemen are what they are.  I don't even try to predict anything with them because they're a crap-shoot.

Receiver prospects look good.  Lockett and Cathey (if he even wants to play football) are solid.

If they land Bernard Thomas at corner, he may play as a freshman.  Scratch that, he will play.

So, overall, not a bad class if you have guys in front of them.  That's why we need to 'hope' for a strong JUCO haul in these last three months of recruiting.