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Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« on: October 12, 2010, 10:26:40 AM »
Turner Gill

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'We saw some things'

Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.

"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."

oh man  :horrorsurprise:


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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 10:27:27 AM »
I bet he giggled a little when he said it.

GIGGLED.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2010, 10:28:54 AM »
Turner Gill

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'We saw some things'

Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.

"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."

oh man  :horrorsurprise:

I saw things as well and I make a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) look like a football coach.  :facepalm: I hope the eff that a D1 coach could see what the Nubbs did to our assholes that night.
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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2010, 10:29:00 AM »
I bet he giggled a little when he said it.

GIGGLED.

Here's to hoping the game turns out like Auburn/ Mississippi State from 2008.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2010, 10:30:18 AM »
 :horrorsurprise:
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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2010, 10:34:24 AM »
Step 1.) QB draw
Step 2.) Stack the box
Step 3.)  :pbj: :party:

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2010, 10:35:58 AM »
Gill is a bigger Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) than I thought.  Everyone knows our defense sucks, it's fortunate that uk doesn't have nearly the skill or speed that Nebraska has.  So what if he "saw some things", it's not like they can really take advantage of it.





Or can they?!?   :runaway:

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2010, 10:48:14 AM »
Ron Prince before the Auburn game.  "We know some things"   :flush:
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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2010, 10:53:27 AM »
Is ther a chance that Cosh did a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) scheme against NU on purpose, knowing we were overmatched, and didn't care that our players were out of position most of the time?  All so we could make the ku O look Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) when we schemed correctly?

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2010, 10:56:23 AM »
Gill is a bigger Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) than I thought.  Everyone knows our defense sucks, it's fortunate that uk doesn't have nearly the skill or speed that Nebraska has.  So what if he "saw some things", it's not like they can really take advantage of it.



Did you see the Nebraska game?  Eureka High School could have exploited the defense.  KU isn't as good as Nebraska, so that means they will average 30 ypr on the zone read play instead of 60.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2010, 10:56:58 AM »
Everybody "saw things.". The problem is that nobody else has a QB that runs a 2.8 second 40.

Sorry Jordan. 

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2010, 10:59:12 AM »
Reminds me of the sequence from Role Models:

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Heard that.

Really?
 
Did you hear that?
 
Maybe you heard that because
you're 2 feet away from us.
 
That's another one I hate. "Heard that!"

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2010, 11:02:28 AM »
Yes, there were plenty of things to see.  But KU is worse at every position on the field when compared to NU.  If they try to run Webb on a ton zone read, we will abuse them.  Really.  Make him keep it and take away Sims.  Plus, KU's offensive line will not be able to handle us like NU's did.  I really think we'll see a much improved defense this week, I'm more worried about the offense honestly.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2010, 11:15:26 AM »
Martinez's speed is the reason he ran away from the secondary without having anyone within 15 yards of him.  His speed was not the cause of him waltzing through the front 7 without any threat of being touched.  As I said before Nebraska obviously has much more talent than KU, but that doesn't mean that KU can't run successfully if the defense doesn't patch some of its issues.  The ends bit on that zone read every time and were not quick enough or decisive enough to make a play.  If you can't get to the point of attack in enough time, stay home, mitigate the damage.  That performance cannot be explained away with Nebraska's talent alone, the coaching staff better patch this leaking boat up.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2010, 11:22:16 AM »
Martinez's speed is the reason he ran away from the secondary without having anyone within 15 yards of him.  His speed was not the cause of him waltzing through the front 7 without any threat of being touched.  As I said before Nebraska obviously has much more talent than KU, but that doesn't mean that KU can't run successfully if the defense doesn't patch some of its issues.  The ends bit on that zone read every time and were not quick enough or decisive enough to make a play.  If you can't get to the point of attack in enough time, stay home, mitigate the damage.  That performance cannot be explained away with Nebraska's talent alone, the coaching staff better patch this leaking boat up.

The ends actually didn't play that bad.  We had many more issues from LBs, DTs, and Ss.  And many of the run fit issues can be fixed.

Also, I will point out that knowing the speed of Martinez and the quality of Helu puts a ton more pressure on the defense.  I simply think that knowing Webb is not much of a threat, knowing that Sims is a decent, but not great back, and knowing that KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did will make a big difference in our ability to make plays. 

Plus, KU will not be able to scheme us like NU did, as I noted they ran some of the most creative and unique looks of zone read that I've ever seen.  Even if KU wanted to run it, no way you can put that in over a week and a half and run it like NU did.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2010, 11:28:22 AM »
KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did

They might not be able to block us, period.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2010, 11:29:08 AM »
Don't disagree with any of that, however remember that NU ran for 10 yards a pop, many of that coming when we completely sold out for the run.  KU won't need anything close to that many to be successful.  They also will take more shots up top than Nebraska did which is also problematic.  The root issue is that the e-line needs too much help.  Webb may not be a threat to go for 50 yards, but he can keep plays alive with his feet, and we are so slow if the staff can't find some way to confuse him with schemes, then they may have a pretty successful and balanced attack.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2010, 11:30:01 AM »
Martinez's speed is the reason he ran away from the secondary without having anyone within 15 yards of him.  His speed was not the cause of him waltzing through the front 7 without any threat of being touched.  As I said before Nebraska obviously has much more talent than KU, but that doesn't mean that KU can't run successfully if the defense doesn't patch some of its issues.  The ends bit on that zone read every time and were not quick enough or decisive enough to make a play.  If you can't get to the point of attack in enough time, stay home, mitigate the damage.  That performance cannot be explained away with Nebraska's talent alone, the coaching staff better patch this leaking boat up.

The ends actually didn't play that bad.  We had many more issues from LBs, DTs, and Ss.  And many of the run fit issues can be fixed.

Also, I will point out that knowing the speed of Martinez and the quality of Helu puts a ton more pressure on the defense.  I simply think that knowing Webb is not much of a threat, knowing that Sims is a decent, but not great back, and knowing that KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did will make a big difference in our ability to make plays. 

Plus, KU will not be able to scheme us like NU did, as I noted they ran some of the most creative and unique looks of zone read that I've ever seen.  Even if KU wanted to run it, no way you can put that in over a week and a half and run it like NU did.

I was nodding my head until this.  Our front 7 is small, weak, slow and dumb.  I think most teams we play will be able to block us 1 on 1.  Just MHO but no one but Harold should inspire a double team, and him only on 3rd and long.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2010, 11:30:52 AM »
Martinez's speed is the reason he ran away from the secondary without having anyone within 15 yards of him.  His speed was not the cause of him waltzing through the front 7 without any threat of being touched.  As I said before Nebraska obviously has much more talent than KU, but that doesn't mean that KU can't run successfully if the defense doesn't patch some of its issues.  The ends bit on that zone read every time and were not quick enough or decisive enough to make a play.  If you can't get to the point of attack in enough time, stay home, mitigate the damage.  That performance cannot be explained away with Nebraska's talent alone, the coaching staff better patch this leaking boat up.

The ends actually didn't play that bad.  We had many more issues from LBs, DTs, and Ss.  And many of the run fit issues can be fixed.

Also, I will point out that knowing the speed of Martinez and the quality of Helu puts a ton more pressure on the defense.  I simply think that knowing Webb is not much of a threat, knowing that Sims is a decent, but not great back, and knowing that KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did will make a big difference in our ability to make plays. 

Plus, KU will not be able to scheme us like NU did, as I noted they ran some of the most creative and unique looks of zone read that I've ever seen.  Even if KU wanted to run it, no way you can put that in over a week and a half and run it like NU did.

Haven't been able to watch the entire game _Fan, but it appears like we pretty well contained the zone read early in the game. Did NU change anything with the play or was it just a case of the defense wearing down?

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2010, 11:35:30 AM »
Our front 7 is small, weak, slow and dumb.

KU's o-line is small, weak, slow, dumb, and riddled with injuries.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2010, 11:37:21 AM »
KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did

They might not be able to block us, period.

It needs to be noted that KU's rush defense stats look very similar to ours pre-Nebraska.

I'm just going to throw that out there.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2010, 11:38:29 AM »
KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did

They might not be able to block us, period.

Everyone has been able to block us.  The saving grace has been that it appears that the d-line seems relatively well conditioned and has made big plays in the 4th quarters of the UCLA, ISU, AND UCF games.  I don't think bend but don't break applies to the d-line in most cases, unless you actually want them to be standing straight up, 3 yards behind the los.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2010, 11:43:51 AM »
Haven't been able to watch the entire game _Fan, but it appears like we pretty well contained the zone read early in the game. Did NU change anything with the play or was it just a case of the defense wearing down?

They had some very nice wrinkles to their zone read, Martinez wasn't just reading DEs, at times he read LBs and even DTs.  They ran zone read with basically a power look by pulling an OG.  They ran zone read with stretch zone to the same side. 

So my thinking that we will have much more success against KU is not only personnel and speed, but I simply don't think KU will be able to run the same wrinkles.  And we have much less pressure on us than we did against UCLA, ISU, or CFU because the QB for all those teams was a legit threat.  That simply is not the case against KU.  Now, I'm not saying we will completely shut KU down, and Long is smart enough to throw in some different wrinkles that exploit our weaknesses, but I don't think it will be zone read near as much this week.

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Re: Turner Gill guarantees victory over exposed Wildcats
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2010, 11:58:37 AM »
KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did

They might not be able to block us, period.

It needs to be noted that KU's rush defense stats look very similar to ours pre-Nebraska.

I'm just going to throw that out there.

Yeah KUs defense is gross.  UCF and NU were able to stack the box because they are fast and physical, KU is neither.  Stacking the box means nothing if you are constantly getting trucked.  It's also worth noting that KU has yet to see a physical rushing attack.  I consider GTs run game a finesse attack.

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2010, 12:02:07 PM »
Yeah KUs defense is gross.  UCF and NU were able to stack the box because they are fast and physical, KU is neither.  Stacking the box means nothing if you are constantly getting trucked.  It's also worth noting that KU has yet to see a physical rushing attack.  I consider GTs run game a finesse attack.

Great point.  I'm sure the 10s of KU football fans will be pointing to their GT win as evidence that they can stop a running team, but you are correct that stopping the flexbone triple option is much different than stopping our multiple scheme running attack.  We should be able to have success on the ground, and hopefully set up some big plays in the passing game, similar to against CFU.  Now, I hope it doesn't take us 3 quarters to get the ground game going like it did in that game.  Honestly it shouldn't, CFU likely has a much more talented defense than KU does.