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Posted: Today 11:33 AM
Realignment redux Post Rating (2 votes)
Deloss Dodds, the Texas AD was just interviewed on a number of topics, including the recent realignment question.  He said:

"Oklahoma couldn't separate from Oklahoma State. And Kansas couldn't separate from Kansas State."

Problematic if true.
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Posted: Today 11:43 AM
RE: Realignment redux Post Rating (6 votes)
Agreed but that quote is from a KSU grad.
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Posted: Today 11:50 AM
Re: Realignment redux Post Rating (3 votes)
What surprises me out of this is that it seems like OkState wasn't really wanted then.

Its pretty obvious to anyone with a working brain that Kstate isn't wanted by any major conference.  OkState on the other hand, has some stuff to offer.
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Posted: Today 12:04 PM
Re: Realignment redux

    dominatindj11 wrote: What surprises me out of this is that it seems like OkState wasn't really wanted then.

    Its pretty obvious to anyone with a working brain that Kstate isn't wanted by any major conference.  OkState on the other hand, has some stuff to offer.


Like what?  Decent football and decent basketball teams, but no flagship program and most importantly absolutely no market.  So when looking at Ok State what do they actually bring to the table money wise?  T Boone isn't going to be donating millions of dollars to a conference so I don't know why his name gets so much play when reallignment talk is brought up.
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Posted: Today 12:08 PM
Re: Realignment redux

    Baumer03 wrote:

        dominatindj11 wrote: What surprises me out of this is that it seems like OkState wasn't really wanted then.

        Its pretty obvious to anyone with a working brain that Kstate isn't wanted by any major conference.  OkState on the other hand, has some stuff to offer.


    Like what?  Decent football and decent basketball teams, but no flagship program and most importantly absolutely no market.  So when looking at Ok State what do they actually bring to the table money wise?  T Boone isn't going to be donating millions of dollars to a conference so I don't know why his name gets so much play when reallignment talk is brought up.

T. Boone has shown he will however donate money to improve his own schools stuff.  And you don't want to add a school that has chit facilities with no foreseeable way to fix that.  The fact that he will drop a couple hundred mill real quick to improve things is a big deal.
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Posted: Today 12:52 PM
Re: Realignment redux

    dominatindj11 wrote:

        Baumer03 wrote:

            dominatindj11 wrote: What surprises me out of this is that it seems like OkState wasn't really wanted then.

            Its pretty obvious to anyone with a working brain that Kstate isn't wanted by any major conference.  OkState on the other hand, has some stuff to offer.


        Like what?  Decent football and decent basketball teams, but no flagship program and most importantly absolutely no market.  So when looking at Ok State what do they actually bring to the table money wise?  T Boone isn't going to be donating millions of dollars to a conference so I don't know why his name gets so much play when reallignment talk is brought up.

    T. Boone has shown he will however donate money to improve his own schools stuff.  And you don't want to add a school that has chit facilities with no foreseeable way to fix that.  The fact that he will drop a couple hundred mill real quick to improve things is a big deal.


Again, how does that make a conference money??????  Wow so OSU doesn't have chit facilities anymore, not sure how that brings in more money to a conference, but good for them.  Ok State has no television market and just decent football team.
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Posted: Today 1:01 PM
Re: Realignment redux
T. Boone has spent a lot of money, and while the facilities are great (at least the ones that have been built--the athletic village is still non-existent thanks to the bottom falling out of T. Boone's hedge fund), they haven't translated to great success in basketball or football. OSU is first-rate in things like cross-country, golf, and wrestling, but that doesn't make any money.
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Posted: Today 1:32 PM
Re: Realignment redux
OSU will be in the mix as long as T. Boone is alive.  That guy has what you would call ALOT of friends.  And I don't know what the hierarchy is in his conglomerate of businesses, but if it is littered with OSU folks, they'll probably be ok even after he's passed on.
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Posted: Today 1:56 PM
RE: Realignment redux
If true, how do we remove the malignant purple menace?
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Posted: Today 2:06 PM
Re: Realignment redux

    frankj wrote: Deloss Dodds, the Texas AD was just interviewed on a number of topics, including the recent realignment question.  He said:

    "Oklahoma couldn't separate from Oklahoma State. And Kansas couldn't separate from Kansas State."

    Problematic if true.

Frank do you have a link please?
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Posted: Today 2:13 PM
Re: Realignment redux
I could see a perception that there could be no seperation but if it came to nut cutting time, who knows?
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Posted: Today 2:52 PM
Re: Realignment redux
Source?
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Posted: Today 3:07 PM
Re: Realignment redux Post Rating (1 vote)
Do you really think the Board of Regents is going to care if KU's athletic and/or academic standing slips because of the KSU anchor?  From my view, they have been focused over the past 20 years on trying to somehow make the two institutions equally regarded, which has had the unfortunate effect of costing KU a significant amount of slippage in the national rankings.  Certainly KU's slippage has not been solely a result of that, but I do believe that the BOR has been attempting to boost KSU while doing comparatively little to help KU.  I recall that about 20 years ago the BOR folded some aircraft training school in Salina into a KSU satellite campus -- even though to my knowledge KSU didn't have a relevant degree program, while WSU would have, and is located in what at least was once considered to be the general aviation capital of the world.  That is just an example of what I perceive is an attempt to elevate KSU's enrollment and standing to the detriment of other state institutions.

Based on the comments of the BOR guy regarding Lew's resignation yesterday, I think the BOR hasn't the slightest clue about what is best for KU and absolutely would tie the two schools together, even though it harms KU.  In fact, I fully expect that to happen the next time around, and the fact that we had to join the likes of ISU and KSU in grabbing our ankles to keep the conference together is a result of that.
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Posted: Today 3:17 PM
Re: Realignment redux

T. Boone donated 100 million to UT.  Also he endorsed Rick Perry.   He's in tight with the bluebloods of Texas, and you can bet he won't let them go anywhere without OSU.
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Posted: Today 6:13 PM
Re: Realignment redux

    pants0n wrote: Source?

It's a Chip Brown interview on the Texas rivals premium board.  If you have other rivals subscriptions it may be available.

Incidentally, he also complimented KU on the upgrade to their facilities.
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Posted: Today 6:33 PM
Re: Realignment redux
I really don't understand the mindset that KU and KSU have to be in the same conference.
There are examples all over the map that shows that it's not necessary.

[Scary Smart]

My worst fears are being realized. KU's embarrassment of a football program is going to keep us out of a major conference when realignment happens again. 

[sonofdaxjones]

How telling is it that Tardville expects the Board of Regents to make ku a good school as opposed to ku just doing it on their own??

I've read practically every BOR meeting minutes for the last 5 or 6 years, and not once have I seen a section entitled "Referendum to keep ku down" or "Board of Regents initiative to ensure that ku and K-State are equal".

But I do know about a lot of whining and sniveling being done by ku in Topeka everytime K-State does something like gets NBAF or creates the Olathe Innovation Campus.   ku runs to Topeka and then wants something from them or demands to be made a part of the initiative.

It's sad.

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Posted: Today 3:07 PM
Re: Realignment redux Post Rating (1 vote)
Do you really think the Board of Regents is going to care if KU's athletic and/or academic standing slips because of the KSU anchor?  From my view, they have been focused over the past 20 years on trying to somehow make the two institutions equally regarded, which has had the unfortunate effect of costing KU a significant amount of slippage in the national rankings.  Certainly KU's slippage has not been solely a result of that, but I do believe that the BOR has been attempting to boost KSU while doing comparatively little to help KU.  I recall that about 20 years ago the BOR folded some aircraft training school in Salina into a KSU satellite campus -- even though to my knowledge KSU didn't have a relevant degree program, while WSU would have, and is located in what at least was once considered to be the general aviation capital of the world.  That is just an example of what I perceive is an attempt to elevate KSU's enrollment and standing to the detriment of other state institutions.

Based on the comments of the BOR guy regarding Lew's resignation yesterday, I think the BOR hasn't the slightest clue about what is best for KU and absolutely would tie the two schools together, even though it harms KU.  In fact, I fully expect that to happen the next time around, and the fact that we had to join the likes of ISU and KSU in grabbing our ankles to keep the conference together is a result of that.


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Comments like this only show that many in Tardville don't have the first clue as to how the Board of Regents operates.   In the vast majority of cases it is up to the individual institutions to propose and make the case for various programs and initiatives.   The K-State Salina situation for example was driven entirely by K-State.  The Board of Regents didn't sit down one day and decide to create K-State Salina. 

Why is ku in the Law Enforcement Training business in Hutchinson Kansas?  Because ku proposed the program to the Regents and they approved it.

If ku is so scared that they'll be tied to K-State in an athletic conference realignment, then they need to get off their ass and go talk to the BOR and make their case.   Plus, anyone with a clue knows that's all stiff upper lip PR nonsense anyway.

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None of them have the first clue of what they're talking about when it comes to academics. The only valid point that they have to make is that KSU doesn't offer a national fanbase or a whole lot of tv ratings. Then again, neither does KU in the only sport that matters in this whole deal.

They're not worth addressing, honestly.

[fatty fat fat]

people in the plains are so insecure with the fact they live in the plains.

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Did Deloss actually say that?

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Posted: Today 3:07 PM
Re: Realignment redux Post Rating (1 vote)
Do you really think the Board of Regents is going to care if KU's athletic and/or academic standing slips because of the KSU anchor?  From my view, they have been focused over the past 20 years on trying to somehow make the two institutions equally regarded, which has had the unfortunate effect of costing KU a significant amount of slippage in the national rankings.  Certainly KU's slippage has not been solely a result of that, but I do believe that the BOR has been attempting to boost KSU while doing comparatively little to help KU.  I recall that about 20 years ago the BOR folded some aircraft training school in Salina into a KSU satellite campus -- even though to my knowledge KSU didn't have a relevant degree program, while WSU would have, and is located in what at least was once considered to be the general aviation capital of the world.  That is just an example of what I perceive is an attempt to elevate KSU's enrollment and standing to the detriment of other state institutions.

Based on the comments of the BOR guy regarding Lew's resignation yesterday, I think the BOR hasn't the slightest clue about what is best for KU and absolutely would tie the two schools together, even though it harms KU.  In fact, I fully expect that to happen the next time around, and the fact that we had to join the likes of ISU and KSU in grabbing our ankles to keep the conference together is a result of that.


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Comments like this only show that many in Tardville don't have the first clue as to how the Board of Regents operates.   In the vast majority of cases it is up to the individual institutions to propose and make the case for various programs and initiatives.   The K-State Salina situation for example was driven entirely by K-State.  The Board of Regents didn't sit down one day and decide to create K-State Salina. 

Why is ku in the Law Enforcement Training business in Hutchinson Kansas?  Because ku proposed the program to the Regents and they approved it.

If ku is so scared that they'll be tied to K-State in an athletic conference realignment, then they need to get off their ass and go talk to the BOR and make their case.   Plus, anyone with a clue knows that's all stiff upper lip PR nonsense anyway.

Having "The University of Kansas" on my certification just makes me sick to my stomach.     

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people in the plains are so insecure with the fact they live in the plains.

What do you tell people in the Bay Area?  "Hey, I'm from Kansas"

[jtksu]

People who leave the plains and then disown them are pathetic.  "Look at me, I live in the festoring sore that is the bay area, so I'm gonna pretend to be elite now and say Kansas sucks!"

[FP TC etc.]

people in the plains are so insecure with the fact they live in the plains.

What do you tell people in the Bay Area?  "Hey, I'm from Kansas"

They think anyone from Kansas is adorable and quaint. Fact.

[The42Yardstick]

People who leave the plains and then disown them are pathetic.  "Look at me, I live in the festoring sore that is the bay area, so I'm gonna pretend to be elite now and say Kansas sucks!"

 

[jtksu]

I got my eye on you, 42.

[fatty fat fat]

people in the plains are so insecure with the fact they live in the plains.

What do you tell people in the Bay Area?  "Hey, I'm from Kansas"

act clueless. they find it adorable.

"is that the golden plated bridge??" 

[skycat]

People who leave the plains and then disown them are pathetic.  "Look at me, I live in the festoring sore that is the bay area, so I'm gonna pretend to be elite now and say Kansas sucks!"

Kansas does suck, though.

[jtksu]

Kansas is fine.  Not great, but not bad.  You do suck pretty hard though.

[skycat]

Kansas is fine.  Not great, but not bad.  You do suck pretty hard though.

No, I've lived here most of my life and it sucks. There are a few bright spots. You're not one of them.

[WillieWatanabe]

people in the plains are so insecure with the fact they live in the plains.

What do you tell people in the Bay Area?  "Hey, I'm from Kansas"

act clueless. they find it adorable.

"is that the golden plated bridge??" 

lol

I've heard they compare all their BBQ to Kansas BBQ. 

And they think Tornadoes are scary. Confirm/Deny?

[ednksu]

None of them have the first clue of what they're talking about when it comes to academics. The only valid point that they have to make is that KSU doesn't offer a national fanbase or a whole lot of tv ratings. Then again, neither does KU in the only sport that matters in this whole deal.

They're not worth addressing, honestly.

I disagree with this.  We do have a national audience.  Every time I travel I see/meet K-Staters.  Hell look at our TV ratings on you Monday game with UT.  Look at how our KU game was rated.  We have a huge audience in ks, do we still hold the records for most fans in a cross state migration to a game?

[michigancat]

I know that if I was a KU fan, that quote would definitely make me feel better about my life.

[AbeFroman]

Damn, and I thought Nebraska fans were delusional about conference realignment.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I just love how they think that if K-State was not in a BCS conference that they would be good at football. Just look at how successful Kentucky was before Louisville joined the Big East. Oh, check out that powerhouse Minnesota. UConn is totally dominant. Honestly, other than Nebraska and Arkansas, I can't think of any school that is the only BCS school in its state that has had a lot of football success, and Arkansas is really pushing it.

[jmlynch1]

I just love how they think that if K-State was not in a BCS conference that they would be good at football. Just look at how successful Kentucky was before Louisville joined the Big East. Oh, check out that powerhouse Minnesota. UConn is totally dominant. Honestly, other than Nebraska and Arkansas, I can't think of any school that is the only BCS school in its state that has had a lot of football success, and Arkansas is really pushing it.

LSU

[Rage Against the McKee]

I just love how they think that if K-State was not in a BCS conference that they would be good at football. Just look at how successful Kentucky was before Louisville joined the Big East. Oh, check out that powerhouse Minnesota. UConn is totally dominant. Honestly, other than Nebraska and Arkansas, I can't think of any school that is the only BCS school in its state that has had a lot of football success, and Arkansas is really pushing it.

LSU

Yeah, you can add them, and I guess a case could be made for Colorado. It is still a weak argument.