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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2010, 12:02:05 AM »
Trim, I know you don't like Currie and all, but aren't you at least a little bit happy that this pack of retards is out of there?

There's many types of retards.

Yea, I guess you could see it as a pick your poison or the lesser of evils.

Like, this Krause stuff is crazy as hell, but at the same time, how great would it have been if he'd taken out some more life insurance on himself to Pay Frank without us having to start a civil war with the shirt tucks in the OOD?

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2010, 12:04:44 AM »
Murder motives, blackmail, fraud, high-stakes gambling, espionage and large-scale theft of public funds? Must-see movie of the summer.

No kidding, so compelling.

Meanwhile, all little brother has to talk about is a Bowflex and a couple of tickets to Lucas Oil Stadium. Bo-ring.

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2010, 12:08:09 AM »
wow, epps kind of talks like a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).   wow. err, uhhh... wow.
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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2010, 12:28:23 AM »
I can haz Ron Prince as my coach for evaz!!

T-Y, Bob


Also, Snyder deserves some blame.

I mean clearly Wefald and Krause are the worst offenders (along with their lackeys) but Snyder's MOU and deferred payments that gramps may or may not have used for dubious accounting and tax reasons (and to keep things private) clearly influenced what was acceptable, in-bounds and on the table in Krause/Snyder's mind.  Weiser Way also did a little dabbling in that realm, but at least he had the good sense to say no to the Prince extension.  

God damn this is awful to read.

The reasoning behind the MOU as a supplement to the public contract?  Take it away BOB!

Q: Why did you do the MOU as a separate document?
A:  Two things.  One, historically had always done and we use a deferred compensation as a separate document other than the employment agreement, the ones that I'd been involved with.  And second reason is that could honestly say that at that point when asked for a specific document of employment agreement that that's a memorandum of understanding so...
Q:  Is any of that with regard to what has to publically be disclosed?
A:  To a point, yes.
Q:  I'm sorry?
A:  Yes.
Q:  Okay.  What's the logic there?
A:  Logic there is I think that that would be publically one that would be difficult for people to understand and not support.

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A:  The advantage was a a long-term deferred compensation agreement through an MOU, historically, the MOU's and the deferred compensation agreement were separate instruments and were not generally disclosed on the basis that the compensation hadn't been paid.  Like once compensation gets paid and that's the poing of, I use as an example if there is a, a, an annuity that once that annuity is paid, my understanding is that, that that then is one that you would disclose because you've paid it.  Its part of the compensation paid in that year.
Q:  And that's historically how you understood this would work?
A:  Yes.

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Q:  And the IAC could avoid at least potentially the necessity of trying to disclose this to the public and go through the ramifications of that?
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A:  Let me phrase it this way.  My experience has been that those documents change based upon successive performance of coaches.  At one point in time, split dollar life insurance policies were involved, uh, depended upon the individual situation, it may be a straight guarantee of children's tuition, college expenses and depending upon where the employee is with a tax advisor may change the situation, so in that sense, yes.

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2010, 12:36:19 AM »
Meek, we need the voice mails referenced on page 144.  NEED them.

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2010, 12:51:21 AM »
Meek, we need the voice mails referenced on page 144.  NEED them.

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2010, 07:11:10 AM »
Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.


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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2010, 07:20:59 AM »
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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2010, 07:44:35 AM »
Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.



I like how Wefald went from "extend RP at all costs" to "shitcan him within the week" in less than a year.  That, coupled with BK being an FP is what f'd us.  Well, that and hiring RP to begin with.

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2010, 07:56:12 AM »
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In Charlottesville, Krause made an offer: If Prince agreed to nullify the buyout agreement, Krause would purchase an insurance policy on his own life and designate Prince as the beneficiary.

 Can't believe this only got 2 sentences.  Sounds like a great story by itself.

I think payouts under the MOU were supposed to start in 2016, give or take a year.  I wonder if had RP taken BK up on this, what the expectation from BK would've been once 2016 or whenever came around.  Does BK know he's dying?  Does he think he can fake his own death?  Would RP have dropped him off a balcony like he threatened to do to Scott Frost?  :runaway:

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2010, 08:50:23 AM »
Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.



Not sure he did either, but what was all that crap that came out during the audit?  All of it seems to be referenced by Krause: deferred compensation, student's tuition, tax advisor...

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2010, 08:58:55 AM »
Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.


I like how Wefald went from "extend RP at all costs" to "shitcan him within the week" in less than a year.  That, coupled with BK being an FP is what f'd us.  Well, that and hiring RP to begin with.


Wefald was literally out of his mind at this stage, essentially running every facet of the University under his delusion of complete omnipotence.

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With Prince's new contract in place, Krause and Wefald believed the coach was poised for a breakthrough in his third season.

I mean, you read this in black and white, and you know it's true that these idiots seriously held this belief, but still, after all of this time, you cannot fathom the level of dumbassery from these two buffoons.  





Texas Christian University coach Gary Patterson has been hired as Kansas State's 34th football coach, multiple sources have confirmed to GoPowercat.com.  Patterson replaces Ron Prince, who was fired Wednesday. - Tim Fitzgerald   Nov, 7, 2008

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2010, 09:12:52 AM »
Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.



Not sure he did either, but what was all that crap that came out during the audit? 

I only remember "The Audit" questioning whether it was practical/legal for HCBS to be paid through his LLC, which he apparently has been for a long time now. Of course, such a practice is legal and very common.
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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2010, 09:38:53 AM »
Someone needs to remind the Topeka Capitol Journal that "it’s July".

It appears that Austin Meek didn’t get the memo from D_Scott that investigative reporting shuts down for the summer outside of rehashing quotes from the June Manhattan Catbackers Event.



Texas Christian University coach Gary Patterson has been hired as Kansas State's 34th football coach, multiple sources have confirmed to GoPowercat.com.  Patterson replaces Ron Prince, who was fired Wednesday. - Tim Fitzgerald   Nov, 7, 2008

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2010, 09:44:02 AM »
Someone needs to remind the Topeka Capitol Journal that "it’s July".

It appears that Austin Meek didn’t get the memo from D_Scott that investigative reporting shuts down for the summer outside of rehashing quotes from the June Manhattan Catbackers Event.




rumblings that kellis robinette is working on a hard hitting piece on the possibility that dom sutton may transfer.


Cheesy Mustache QB might make an appearance.

New warning: Don't get in a fight with someone who doesn't even need to bother to buy ink.

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2010, 10:04:26 AM »
Meek, we need the voice mails referenced on page 144.  NEED them.

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I saw you on here earlier, Austin.  We're waiting.  I'm tired of listening to Mel Gibson voice mails.

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2010, 10:11:32 AM »
Meek, we need the voice mails referenced on page 144.  NEED them.

T-Y, Trim

I saw you on here earlier, Austin.  We're waiting.  I'm tired of listening to Mel Gibson voice mails.

T-Y, Trim

Wow.

It's like Meek is holding our summer time amusement in his hand like a dove....will he crush it?   :ohno:

I'm really looking forward to cutting them down into ring tones....

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2010, 10:13:09 AM »
Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.



Not sure he did either, but what was all that crap that came out during the audit? 

I only remember "The Audit" questioning whether it was practical/legal for HCBS to be paid through his LLC, which he apparently has been for a long time now. Of course, such a practice is legal and very common.

Snyder had a slew of extra benefits that weren't previously disclosed.  These included:  free tuition for his children (referenced by Bob), deferred compensation (referenced by Bob), strategies that were recommended by a tax advisor (referenced by bob and clearly referring to Snyds).

Look:  1) those extra benefits are taxable  (I would think)  2) he was receiving payment through his LLC  (which I think would mean that he would be responsible for reporting/paying some of his withholding taxes)  3) he was given flexibility to draw on deferred compensation from accounts so, presumably, he could defer taxes.

I'm not a tax expert, but this (along with the debacle of the Business incubator scam) is incredibly shady and should be a stain on Snyder.  I mean this piece of crap had his kids get free tuition when in-state tuition would be eminently affordable to him and when the University has no such policy for the children of any other Kansas State employee.  He also had Sean get a guaranteed contract for 2 years after he retired.

Wefald, Krause and Weiser (and Epps et. al.) were clearly incompetent and deserve to be ridiculed and shamed.  But so does OB with his family first dicking of K-State.

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2010, 10:19:11 AM »
rough ridin' MORONS!!  MORONS!!
God, I HATE Wefald and Krause!   :chainsaw:
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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2010, 10:26:48 AM »
Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.



Not sure he did either, but what was all that crap that came out during the audit? 

I only remember "The Audit" questioning whether it was practical/legal for HCBS to be paid through his LLC, which he apparently has been for a long time now. Of course, such a practice is legal and very common.

Snyder had a slew of extra benefits that weren't previously disclosed.  These included:  free tuition for his children (referenced by Bob), deferred compensation (referenced by Bob), strategies that were recommended by a tax advisor (referenced by bob and clearly referring to Snyds).

Look:  1) those extra benefits are taxable  (I would think)  2) he was receiving payment through his LLC  (which I think would mean that he would be responsible for reporting/paying some of his withholding taxes)  3) he was given flexibility to draw on deferred compensation from accounts so, presumably, he could defer taxes.

I'm not a tax expert, but this (along with the debacle of the Business incubator scam) is incredibly shady and should be a stain on Snyder.  I mean this piece of crap had his kids get free tuition when in-state tuition would be eminently affordable to him and when the University has no such policy for the children of any other Kansas State employee.  He also had Sean get a guaranteed contract for 2 years after he retired.

Wefald, Krause and Weiser (and Epps et. al.) were clearly incompetent and deserve to be ridiculed and shamed.  But so does OB with his family first dicking of K-State.


LOL

Remember all the rumors about how Currie wasn't extending the "extra benefits" to OB that OB had been accustomed to under the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) brigade?  Welp, this explains the Tate scholarship!  Crafty OB was bound and determined to keep-not-paying for higher education in the Snyder household.  IT'S AFAMILYSTADIUM!

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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2010, 10:32:27 AM »
KK . . . the only way you wouldn't know that Snyder got all that stuff is if you didn't bother to read his publically disclosed contract . . . I knew about the tuition and the LLC and all that stuff years ago.

Coaches having LLC's is hardly a new practice, in addition, there's the tidy little gem about their camps.   

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« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2010, 10:33:23 AM »
Snyder had a slew of extra benefits that weren't previously disclosed.  These included:  free tuition for his children (referenced by Bob), deferred compensation (referenced by Bob), strategies that were recommended by a tax advisor (referenced by bob and clearly referring to Snyds).

Look:  1) those extra benefits are taxable  (I would think)  2) he was receiving payment through his LLC  (which I think would mean that he would be responsible for reporting/paying some of his withholding taxes)  3) he was given flexibility to draw on deferred compensation from accounts so, presumably, he could defer taxes.

I'm not a tax expert, but this (along with the debacle of the Business incubator scam) is incredibly shady and should be a stain on Snyder.  I mean this piece of crap had his kids get free tuition when in-state tuition would be eminently affordable to him and when the University has no such policy for the children of any other Kansas State employee.  He also had Sean get a guaranteed contract for 2 years after he retired.

Wefald, Krause and Weiser (and Epps et. al.) were clearly incompetent and deserve to be ridiculed and shamed.  But so does OB with his family first dicking of K-State.

No, drop this line.  It's not shady.  The only questionable thing the audit found was that Snyder was paid out of an account that KSU did not keep proper records for -- nobody has said these payments were improper, though.  Payments to an LLC are a legal (and smart) method of managing your taxes, and it common practice among many people, including accountants, lawyers and judges.  Those other benefits you refer to are in the publicly-disclosed contract, aren't they?  I certainly remember reading about them.  If you don't think Snyder should have gotten them, fine, but that's not what you're arguing.
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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2010, 10:35:11 AM »
KK . . . the only way you wouldn't know that Snyder got all that stuff is if you didn't bother to read his publically disclosed contract . . . I knew about the tuition and the LLC and all that stuff years ago.

Coaches having LLC's is hardly a new practice, in addition, there's the tidy little gem about their camps.  

Yeah, I wasn't really moved by the questioning designed to state that the MOU was SOP.  The contents of it may have had some of the same principles as other coaches had, but the other coaches didn't have that deal locked up and hidden from everyone.

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« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2010, 10:54:35 AM »
KK . . . the only way you wouldn't know that Snyder got all that stuff is if you didn't bother to read his publically disclosed contract . . . I knew about the tuition and the LLC and all that stuff years ago.

Coaches having LLC's is hardly a new practice, in addition, there's the tidy little gem about their camps.  

Yeah, I wasn't really moved by the questioning designed to state that the MOU was SOP.  The contents of it may have had some of the same principles as other coaches had, but the other coaches didn't have that deal locked up and hidden from everyone.

It wasn't hidden, I read Snyder's contract that covered the last years of his first tenure years ago on line.   They tried to keep it hidden, just like a certain AD at another school tried to keep his contract hidden, but they can't . . . they're technically state employees.

As I've said numerous times where you should really be pissed off beyond the idiocy of the Prince deal . . . is with the MOU Weefer signed with Weiser, who being the semi-smart/bad person that he is immediately checked out, probably purposely tried to butt heads with Wefald (and of course helped himself to a sweetheart $500K loan) so he could walk out the door with the buyout money.   All the while K-State athletics was paying Wesier both directly and Weiser's LLC . . . Timmy Weiser's LLC was getting paid over $300K a year so Timmy Weiser could "advise" his own got damn athletic department.  The man took a pay cut to go the Big 12 offices.  

You should also be pissed off that K-State athletics was paying Krause hundreds of thousands of dollars via his LLC, prior to Krause taking over as AD.   Since when does the Vice President of Institutional Advancement (whatever the hell that is) at a major university deserve hundreds of thousands of dollars in extra pay from an entity that while it is a seperate corporation, still operates  under the umbrella of the university itself??   That was the man's f_cking job for crying out loud, that's why he was paid over $200K by the school . . . to advance the ENTIRE university. 

Again, it just goes to show you how all of these guys thought they were bullet proof and could do whatever they wanted.



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Re: he would have died for emaw
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2010, 10:59:09 AM »
KK . . . the only way you wouldn't know that Snyder got all that stuff is if you didn't bother to read his publically disclosed contract . . . I knew about the tuition and the LLC and all that stuff years ago.

Coaches having LLC's is hardly a new practice, in addition, there's the tidy little gem about their camps.   

Yeah, I wasn't really moved by the questioning designed to state that the MOU was SOP.  The contents of it may have had some of the same principles as other coaches had, but the other coaches didn't have that deal locked up and hidden from everyone.

It wasn't hidden, I read Snyder's contract that covered the last years of his first tenure years ago on line.   They tried to keep it hidden, just like a certain AD at another school tried to keep his contract hidden, but they can't . . . they're technically state employees.

I should clarify what I posted.  I meant I wasn't moved by the questioning of Bob Krause in the depo where RP's attorney was trying to imply that RP's MOU was SOP.  RP's was the only one in a secret file cabinet.