he would have died for emaw (**official RP lawsuit related thread**)

[sonofdaxjones]

KK . . . the only way you wouldn't know that Snyder got all that stuff is if you didn't bother to read his publically disclosed contract . . . I knew about the tuition and the LLC and all that stuff years ago.

Coaches having LLC's is hardly a new practice, in addition, there's the tidy little gem about their camps.   

Yeah, I wasn't really moved by the questioning designed to state that the MOU was SOP.  The contents of it may have had some of the same principles as other coaches had, but the other coaches didn't have that deal locked up and hidden from everyone.

It wasn't hidden, I read Snyder's contract that covered the last years of his first tenure years ago on line.   They tried to keep it hidden, just like a certain AD at another school tried to keep his contract hidden, but they can't . . . they're technically state employees.

I should clarify what I posted.  I meant I wasn't moved by the questioning of Bob Krause in the depo where RP's attorney was trying to imply that RP's MOU was SOP.  RP's was the only one in a secret file cabinet.

That's true . . . and K-State's attorney better hammer that one and they better be convincing as hell in terms of the whole "stumbled across it" scenario that Jim Epps is trying to roll with. 

If K-State losses any chance K-State could sue Wefald, Krause and Epps??

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If K-State losses any chance K-State could sue Wefald, Krause and Epps??

Yes.  I think the KSU attorney was laying seeds for that in his cross in the depo, as far as Krause's authority only extending to doing things that were in the best interest of KSU.

I still think KSU can win against RP, although they may have more incentive to settle than we know about - such as more stories like this one coming out that make us look like clowns.  RP has an advantage there in that he has no reservations about looking like a clown.

[Pete]

If K-State losses any chance K-State could sue Wefald, Krause and Epps??

Yes.  I think the KSU attorney was laying seeds for that in his cross in the depo, as far as Krause's authority only extending to doing things that were in the best interest of KSU.

I still think KSU can win against RP, although they may have more incentive to settle than we know about - such as more stories like this one coming out that make us look like clowns.  RP has an advantage there in that he has no reservations about looking like a clown.

Actually, the current administration has NOTHING to lose if more damning information comes about about Weefs/Krause/Prince et. al......it could actually be a good thing for them.

Ron has ZERO leverage here.  He can come out with the most lurid stories in the world about KSU, and it will have zero impact on the perception of the current administration.

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If K-State losses any chance K-State could sue Wefald, Krause and Epps??

Yes.  I think the KSU attorney was laying seeds for that in his cross in the depo, as far as Krause's authority only extending to doing things that were in the best interest of KSU.

I still think KSU can win against RP, although they may have more incentive to settle than we know about - such as more stories like this one coming out that make us look like clowns.  RP has an advantage there in that he has no reservations about looking like a clown.

Actually, the current administration has NOTHING to lose if more damning information comes about about Weefs/Krause/Prince et. al......it could actually be a good thing for them.

Ron has ZERO leverage here.  He can come out with the most lurid stories in the world about KSU, and it will have zero impact on the perception of the current administration.

Yeah, the new guys can tell people who are paying attention (and probably don't need to be told) "hey, look, we're a zillion times better than those old tards" but for the general non-EMAW person out there, KSU just looks like idiots.  I mean, the AD mumped up a contract and to get out of it, offered to insure his own life to the benefit of Ron rough ridin' Prince?

RP doesn't have to come up with lurid stories.  Pretty much just the facts are embarassing.

[Kat Kid]

I'll retract the shady charges if the experts say they are unfounded.  I maintain that the nature of his family's extra benefits are disgusting.

[sonofdaxjones]

I'll retract the shady charges if the experts say they are unfounded.  I maintain that the nature of his family's extra benefits are disgusting.

They are disgusting, but pretty common I am afraid.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.

Not sure he did either, but what was all that crap that came out during the audit? 

I only remember "The Audit" questioning whether it was practical/legal for HCBS to be paid through his LLC, which he apparently has been for a long time now. Of course, such a practice is legal and very common.

Snyder had a slew of extra benefits that weren't previously disclosed.  These included:  free tuition for his children (referenced by Bob), deferred compensation (referenced by Bob), strategies that were recommended by a tax advisor (referenced by bob and clearly referring to Snyds).

Look:  1) those extra benefits are taxable  (I would think)  2) he was receiving payment through his LLC  (which I think would mean that he would be responsible for reporting/paying some of his withholding taxes)  3) he was given flexibility to draw on deferred compensation from accounts so, presumably, he could defer taxes.

I'm not a tax expert, but this (along with the debacle of the Business incubator scam) is incredibly shady and should be a stain on Snyder.  I mean this piece of crap had his kids get free tuition when in-state tuition would be eminently affordable to him and when the University has no such policy for the children of any other Kansas State employee.  He also had Sean get a guaranteed contract for 2 years after he retired.

Wefald, Krause and Weiser (and Epps et. al.) were clearly incompetent and deserve to be ridiculed and shamed.  But so does OB with his family first dicking of K-State.

Do you have a SHRED of proof that Snyder didn't claim these benefits and pay the associated taxes?   If not, then shut up and quit smearing the man.   As far as tuition, that's nothing.  As recently as the 90s Washburn and other schools provided free or greatly reduced tuition to ALL full time employees, so that's a big who gives a crap.

[sonofdaxjones]

Hey Mikey . . . please list for me which Washburn employees were pulling down $2 million dollars a year.

Thanks and I'll listen off line.

[MadCat]

LHC Bill Snyder insisted

That his MOU be written on papyrus, etched into stone tablets and pressed into clay.

Or what was known as “in triplicate” when he was first hired.

Because he’s old, you see.

HOW CRAY-CRAY WAS MY BUYOUT: THE RON PRINCE STORY

[deputy dawg]

Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.

Not sure he did either, but what was all that crap that came out during the audit? 

I only remember "The Audit" questioning whether it was practical/legal for HCBS to be paid through his LLC, which he apparently has been for a long time now. Of course, such a practice is legal and very common.

Snyder had a slew of extra benefits that weren't previously disclosed.  These included:  free tuition for his children (referenced by Bob), deferred compensation (referenced by Bob), strategies that were recommended by a tax advisor (referenced by bob and clearly referring to Snyds).

Look:  1) those extra benefits are taxable  (I would think)  2) he was receiving payment through his LLC  (which I think would mean that he would be responsible for reporting/paying some of his withholding taxes)  3) he was given flexibility to draw on deferred compensation from accounts so, presumably, he could defer taxes.

I'm not a tax expert, but this (along with the debacle of the Business incubator scam) is incredibly shady and should be a stain on Snyder.  I mean this piece of crap had his kids get free tuition when in-state tuition would be eminently affordable to him and when the University has no such policy for the children of any other Kansas State employee.  He also had Sean get a guaranteed contract for 2 years after he retired.

Wefald, Krause and Weiser (and Epps et. al.) were clearly incompetent and deserve to be ridiculed and shamed.  But so does OB with his family first dicking of K-State.

The benefits / compensation received  through Snyder's LLC would be taxable directly to him, and can say with a fair degree of certainty that they were properly accounted for in terms of tax compliance.

[AlwaysEMAW]

Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.

Not sure he did either, but what was all that crap that came out during the audit?

I only remember "The Audit" questioning whether it was practical/legal for HCBS to be paid through his LLC, which he apparently has been for a long time now. Of course, such a practice is legal and very common.

Snyder had a slew of extra benefits that weren't previously disclosed.  These included:  free tuition for his children (referenced by Bob), deferred compensation (referenced by Bob), strategies that were recommended by a tax advisor (referenced by bob and clearly referring to Snyds).

Look:  1) those extra benefits are taxable  (I would think)  2) he was receiving payment through his LLC  (which I think would mean that he would be responsible for reporting/paying some of his withholding taxes)  3) he was given flexibility to draw on deferred compensation from accounts so, presumably, he could defer taxes.

I'm not a tax expert, but this (along with the debacle of the Business incubator scam) is incredibly shady and should be a stain on Snyder.  I mean this piece of crap had his kids get free tuition when in-state tuition would be eminently affordable to him and when the University has no such policy for the children of any other Kansas State employee.  He also had Sean get a guaranteed contract for 2 years after he retired.

Wefald, Krause and Weiser (and Epps et. al.) were clearly incompetent and deserve to be ridiculed and shamed.  But so does OB with his family first dicking of K-State.

FWIW Snyder came into the controller's office to pay his daughters' tuition in the Summer of 08. Doesn't add much to this convo, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

[Pete]

Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.

Not sure he did either, but what was all that crap that came out during the audit? 

I only remember "The Audit" questioning whether it was practical/legal for HCBS to be paid through his LLC, which he apparently has been for a long time now. Of course, such a practice is legal and very common.

Snyder had a slew of extra benefits that weren't previously disclosed.  These included:  free tuition for his children (referenced by Bob), deferred compensation (referenced by Bob), strategies that were recommended by a tax advisor (referenced by bob and clearly referring to Snyds).

Look:  1) those extra benefits are taxable  (I would think)  2) he was receiving payment through his LLC  (which I think would mean that he would be responsible for reporting/paying some of his withholding taxes)  3) he was given flexibility to draw on deferred compensation from accounts so, presumably, he could defer taxes.

I'm not a tax expert, but this (along with the debacle of the Business incubator scam) is incredibly shady and should be a stain on Snyder.  I mean this piece of crap had his kids get free tuition when in-state tuition would be eminently affordable to him and when the University has no such policy for the children of any other Kansas State employee.  He also had Sean get a guaranteed contract for 2 years after he retired.

Wefald, Krause and Weiser (and Epps et. al.) were clearly incompetent and deserve to be ridiculed and shamed.  But so does OB with his family first dicking of K-State.

Do you have a SHRED of proof that Snyder didn't claim these benefits and pay the associated taxes?   If not, then shut up and quit smearing the man.   As far as tuition, that's nothing.  As recently as the 90s Washburn and other schools provided free or greatly reduced tuition to ALL full time employees, so that's a big who gives a crap.

Ya, I agree.  Let's not throw around accusations of impropriety...no smearing necessary.  Christ, isn't it enough that he has destroyed the very program that he built...you feel like you need to make personal attacks?  Sure, his professional capabilities have long since flown by the wayside, but the man pays his taxes.  Go eff yourself, Mr. KK.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

Hey Mikey . . . please list for me which Washburn employees were pulling down $2 million dollars a year.

Thanks and I'll listen off line.

what does that matter?  if a school is willing to give free or greatly reduced tuition to employees, from top to bottom, why is it so unthinkable that another with give it to a coach.   Would you have rather Bill just made them give him another $20k a year?  I'm sure Bill had in mind $XX and didn;t care how they arrived there, just that they did, whether it was cash, or free fan loaf at the Union.

[JMart]

Again, it just goes to show you how all of these guys thought they were bullet proof and could do whatever they wanted.

It's always been about this to me. Kind of an insult, daring to be exposed mentality these guys lived by.

[pissclams]

Again, it just goes to show you how all of these guys thought they were bullet proof and could do whatever they wanted.

It's always been about this to me. Kind of an insult, daring to be exposed mentality these guys lived by.

it's incredible. 

[wabash909]

At some point along the way Wefald came to believe he had complete and utter omnipotent control of the university at ALL levels.

Kind of sad and pathetic to see the fiefdom he built crumble around him, but he brought this upon himself.  Every bit of it.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

At some point along the way Wefald thought he had complete and utter omnipotent control of the university at ALL levels.

Kind of sad and pathetic to see the fiefdom he built crumble around him, but he brought this upon himself.  Every bit of it.

it is.   It's like seeing DeNiro in 88 Minutes.

[JMart]

I can assure you Austin is going to have much more to report in the coming days.

[steve dave]

I can assure you Austin is going to have much more to report in the coming days.

 

[The Whale]

I can assure you Austin is going to have much more to report in the coming days.

He convinced the CJ to follow through on the FOIA requests? 

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I can assure you Austin is going to have much more to report in the coming days.

VOICE MAILS!!!!!   

[Patrick Bateman]

What happened with KSU registering "In Pursuit of Perfection, LLC", the beneficiary of the MOU, in an apparent effort to scuttle RP's claim?

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What happened with KSU registering "In Pursuit of Perfection, LLC", the beneficiary of the MOU, in an apparent effort to scuttle RP's claim?

It's still out there as far as I know, but that would be a ways down on the list of things to be litigated or things being addressed in discovery right now.

[Kat Kid]

Lay this completely at the feet of Weefer.

Oh, and Snyder didn't have any MOU's as I recall, but Weiser did . . . which is why we had to pay him $700K because Weefer couldn't keep his nose out of the athletic department.

Not sure he did either, but what was all that crap that came out during the audit? 

I only remember "The Audit" questioning whether it was practical/legal for HCBS to be paid through his LLC, which he apparently has been for a long time now. Of course, such a practice is legal and very common.

Snyder had a slew of extra benefits that weren't previously disclosed.  These included:  free tuition for his children (referenced by Bob), deferred compensation (referenced by Bob), strategies that were recommended by a tax advisor (referenced by bob and clearly referring to Snyds).

Look:  1) those extra benefits are taxable  (I would think)  2) he was receiving payment through his LLC  (which I think would mean that he would be responsible for reporting/paying some of his withholding taxes)  3) he was given flexibility to draw on deferred compensation from accounts so, presumably, he could defer taxes.

I'm not a tax expert, but this (along with the debacle of the Business incubator scam) is incredibly shady and should be a stain on Snyder.  I mean this piece of crap had his kids get free tuition when in-state tuition would be eminently affordable to him and when the University has no such policy for the children of any other Kansas State employee.  He also had Sean get a guaranteed contract for 2 years after he retired.

Wefald, Krause and Weiser (and Epps et. al.) were clearly incompetent and deserve to be ridiculed and shamed.  But so does OB with his family first dicking of K-State.

Do you have a SHRED of proof that Snyder didn't claim these benefits and pay the associated taxes?   If not, then shut up and quit smearing the man.   As far as tuition, that's nothing.  As recently as the 90s Washburn and other schools provided free or greatly reduced tuition to ALL full time employees, so that's a big who gives a crap.

I retracted to the extent that dax, lawyers and cpa's cleared the irregularity of an LLC and taking deferred compensation.

I maintain that he had a pattern of seeking disgusting benefits for his family such as the free tuition, the 2 year auto-extension for Sean.  Further the Wefald/Krause/Snyder/Glasscock shares of NITSAC's drink company has yet to be fully reported and I hope that the full details come to light.  The conflicts of interest there are so numerous as to make it another stain.

I would like to hear more about why Snyder was being paid in such a seemingly odd manner (didn't he just call up at random to draw down some money that was owed him?).  But I will leave that to the experts.

Let's not pretend that Snyder came out looking like roses, he just isn't completely smeared with turd.

[sonofdaxjones]

Snyder:

- Came out of the audit relatively unscathed compared to the others.  In fact they found that the school still owed him quite a large chunk of money.

-Tuition, no big deal.   I suspect the athletic department reimbursed him for the tuition payments.  

-The payments to his LLC, really only an issue if they were not properly accounted for in his LLC's tax returns.  

-Absurd:  The treatment of Sean Snyder.  

-NISTAC:  Will be fascinating if that ever comes out.  

Another absolute pile of Bull$hit:

-Giving Jim Epps a multi-year, guaranteed contract.   What F'ing athletic department gives an assistant athletic director a multi-year GUARANTEED contract??