Nick

[Belvis Noland]

Dude, it's like Denis played physical ball.  And Greenie has put muscle on every other player he has had, so I don't see why Nick should be the exception.

Well, then I guess he'll play a lot.. 

[WillieWatanabe]

from that jackass CNS Casey

Quote from JMart posted on the other board:

What a jackass! 

[CNS]

from that jackass CNS Casey

Quote from JMart posted on the other board:

What a jackass! 

 

[Benja]

Asprilla starting? If wally gets his confidence up, sky is the limit. And Nick- I really don't know. Jus get rid of Martavious "taysongz" Irving.

What's wrong with Irving?  IMO, he played his role fine last year.  Quick, physical defender who can knock down an open shot on the perimeter.  Solid bench player who provides depth.   I mean, he certainly shouldn't start, but he's a pretty decent role player.  Doesn't hurt us when he's out there.    

My only problem with Irving is that he uses up a scholly that we could have used on a more elite player, assuming we had a more elite player to use it on, which we apparently didn't, since we used the scholly on Irving, so i guess I don't really have a problem with Irving after all. 

[canadian_breeze]

Asprilla starting? If wally gets his confidence up, sky is the limit. And Nick- I really don't know. Jus get rid of Martavious "taysongz" Irving.

What's wrong with Irving?  IMO, he played his role fine last year.  Quick, physical defender who can knock down an open shot on the perimeter.  Solid bench player who provides depth.   I mean, he certainly shouldn't start, but he's a pretty decent role player.  Doesn't hurt us when he's out there.    

My only problem with Irving is that he uses up a scholly that we could have used on a more elite player, assuming we had a more elite player to use it on, which we apparently didn't, since we used the scholly on Irving, so i guess I don't really have a problem with Irving after all. 

you really wanna ditch irving for an elite player possibly upsetting the fit  system frank martin has right now?

[michigancat]

Asprilla starting? If wally gets his confidence up, sky is the limit. And Nick- I really don't know. Jus get rid of Martavious "taysongz" Irving.

What's wrong with Irving?  IMO, he played his role fine last year.  Quick, physical defender who can knock down an open shot on the perimeter.  Solid bench player who provides depth.   I mean, he certainly shouldn't start, but he's a pretty decent role player.  Doesn't hurt us when he's out there.    

He cannot hit an open shot anywhere and can't handle the ball for sh*t.  He hurts us a ton on offense.  Thankfully, he didn't play enough to be exposed much on defense.

So, I guess if his role was "sh*tty bench player" then I agree that he filled his role well.

[Benja]

Asprilla starting? If wally gets his confidence up, sky is the limit. And Nick- I really don't know. Jus get rid of Martavious "taysongz" Irving.

What's wrong with Irving?  IMO, he played his role fine last year.  Quick, physical defender who can knock down an open shot on the perimeter.  Solid bench player who provides depth.   I mean, he certainly shouldn't start, but he's a pretty decent role player.  Doesn't hurt us when he's out there.    

He cannot hit an open shot anywhere and can't handle the ball for sh*t.  He hurts us a ton on offense.  Thankfully, he didn't play enough to be exposed much on defense.

So, I guess if his role was "sh*tty bench player" then I agree that he filled his role well.

Please see my "blame Hill for not getting a more elite player, not Irving, who never claimed to be elite" post.

[michigancat]

Asprilla starting? If wally gets his confidence up, sky is the limit. And Nick- I really don't know. Jus get rid of Martavious "taysongz" Irving.

What's wrong with Irving?  IMO, he played his role fine last year.  Quick, physical defender who can knock down an open shot on the perimeter.  Solid bench player who provides depth.   I mean, he certainly shouldn't start, but he's a pretty decent role player.  Doesn't hurt us when he's out there.    

He cannot hit an open shot anywhere and can't handle the ball for sh*t.  He hurts us a ton on offense.  Thankfully, he didn't play enough to be exposed much on defense.

So, I guess if his role was "sh*tty bench player" then I agree that he filled his role well.

Please see my "blame Hill for not getting a more elite player, not Irving, who never claimed to be elite" post.

I'm quite content to continue to blame both, thank you.

[jtksu]

I seem to remember the coaches raving about Irving's D before last season.  I expect more experience to help whatever was causing some lapses on D last season.  As far as Asprilla v. Judge-  I don't really see Wally as a fulltime 5.  I expect Asprilla to start this year, with Wally getting quite a few minutes, split between the 4 and 5, with Wally starting at the 4 after CK leaves for the league. 

[JMart]

Question  - besides Mike and Bill, has any freshman come in and put up astounding numbers? And as for Nick not playing last year, there weren't a ton of minutes to be had beyond Jake and Denis. When Nick practiced well, he played. Like I said, the staff is confident is what he is.

[michigancat]

Question  - besides Mike and Bill, has any freshman come in and put up astounding numbers?

I'm not expecting astounding numbers, I'm expecting non-suckage.  Jamar and Dom both provided that as freshmen.  Wally kind of sucked, but you could always clearly see the potential.

I'm all for Nick getting out there.  I think he'll do fine.  I see more potential than Martav.

[JMart]

Question  - besides Mike and Bill, has any freshman come in and put up astounding numbers?

I'm not expecting astounding numbers, I'm expecting non-suckage.  Jamar and Dom both provided that as freshmen.  Wally kind of sucked, but you could always clearly see the potential.

I'm all for Nick getting out there.  I think he'll do fine.  I see more potential than Martav.

I told Figgs they needed some 6-7 dude at the 3 who could shoot lights-out, and he kind of snapped at me. He was like, "We have guys who can do that. Rodney can do that. Nick can do that..." Later, he said there were times in practice last year that Nick was the best guard on the floor.

[steve dave]

Question  - besides Mike and Bill, has any freshman come in and put up astounding numbers?

I'm not expecting astounding numbers, I'm expecting non-suckage.  Jamar and Dom both provided that as freshmen.  Wally kind of sucked, but you could always clearly see the potential.

I'm all for Nick getting out there.  I think he'll do fine.  I see more potential than Martav.

I told Figgs they needed some 6-7 dude at the 3 who could shoot lights-out, and he kind of snapped at me. He was like, "We have guys who can do that. Rodney can do that. Nick can do that..." Later, he said there were times in practice last year that Nick was the best guard on the floor.

Yeah, when I told him we needed some 8 footer that weighed 500 lbs. he told me we had that already in Spradling

[Benja]

Question  - besides Mike and Bill, has any freshman come in and put up astounding numbers?

I'm not expecting astounding numbers, I'm expecting non-suckage.  Jamar and Dom both provided that as freshmen.  Wally kind of sucked, but you could always clearly see the potential.

I'm all for Nick getting out there.  I think he'll do fine.  I see more potential than Martav.

I told Figgs they needed some 6-7 dude at the 3 who could shoot lights-out, and he kind of snapped at me. He was like, "We have guys who can do that. Rodney can do that. Nick can do that..." Later, he said there were times in practice last year that Nick was the best guard on the floor.

I remember all those reports that he was the most impressive looking player at open practices and such and the coaches loving him. I hope he can develop some sort of killer instinct in the off season; he seemed pretty timid last year, even for a frosh. And I'm hoping (assuming) this is why he appeared so slow at times.

[michigancat]

Question  - besides Mike and Bill, has any freshman come in and put up astounding numbers?

I'm not expecting astounding numbers, I'm expecting non-suckage.  Jamar and Dom both provided that as freshmen.  Wally kind of sucked, but you could always clearly see the potential.

I'm all for Nick getting out there.  I think he'll do fine.  I see more potential than Martav.

I told Figgs they needed some 6-7 dude at the 3 who could shoot lights-out, and he kind of snapped at me. He was like, "We have guys who can do that. Rodney can do that. Nick can do that..." Later, he said there were times in practice last year that Nick was the best guard on the floor.

Yeah, when I told him we needed some 8 footer that weighed 500 lbs. he told me we had that already in Spradling

LOL

[Benja]

Question  - besides Mike and Bill, has any freshman come in and put up astounding numbers?

I'm not expecting astounding numbers, I'm expecting non-suckage.  Jamar and Dom both provided that as freshmen.  Wally kind of sucked, but you could always clearly see the potential.

I'm all for Nick getting out there.  I think he'll do fine.  I see more potential than Martav.

I told Figgs they needed some 6-7 dude at the 3 who could shoot lights-out, and he kind of snapped at me. He was like, "We have guys who can do that. Rodney can do that. Nick can do that..." Later, he said there were times in practice last year that Nick was the best guard on the floor.

Yeah, when I told him we needed some 8 footer that weighed 500 lbs. he told me we had that already in Spradling

said the same thing when asked why we didn't offer Selby.

[chum1]

Not many minutes to be had at guard, yet Irving averaged 10.3 compared to Nick's 6.8.  I'm going to relish watching the blind Irving haters melt down this year.  He's going to play a lot.

[jtksu]

Jamar and Sutton weren't freshman on upperclassmen led Elite 8 teams. It's difficult for many freshmen to break into the steady rotation and it's hard to get a rhythm or much experience only playing sporadic minutes.  If Nick starts getting some confidence, he should be fine.  If Wally starts getting confidant, he could be really good.

[raquetcat]

Frank is all about the D, why do you think CM EVER got minutes, so when nick learns to play D, he'll see the floor (same thing as with wally early on last year), we've always heard he's a solid shooter, if he finally decided to nut up and play frank's style of D in the off-season maybe he'll be the big surprise we're all hoping for in the guard spot opposite Pullen.

I think this year we should just classify the guard spots as Pullen and not-pullen, there's not really a set 1 and 2, or maybe just P and NP 

[Pete]

I don't get how he could be a potential starter. Dude hardly played last year. What am I not getting (besides super expando improvement)?  

only return 2 starters.  have to find someone to fill those spots; russel's resume isn't that much worse than the other options at PG: irving, myles, spradling etc.

I'm guessing he doesn't play PG for us ever

he hasn't already?

again (if he has)

I'm no Phil Wooden, but I'm just not seeing a difference between the 1 and the 2 in Franks offensive system.  Hell it's sometimes hard to distinguish the 1, 2 and 3.  I think Nick will be adequate as a guard, regardless of what number you put in front of it.

I completely agree with Fuktard.  Play some D and crash the boards after you miss your jumper, that's the game plan.

[Benja]

If Nick starts getting some confidence, he should be fine.  If Wally starts getting confidant, he could be really good.

Maybe their confidence is fine, they were just freshmen on a stacked elite 8 team.

[jtksu]

No doubt they were both frosh and a great team but those 2 both appeared to be scared and or nervous many times throughout the year.  You'd see flashes of them playing their game but much of the time they certainly looked like fish out of water.

[_33]

If Nick starts getting some confidence, he should be fine.  If Wally starts getting confidant, he could be really good.

Maybe their confidence is fine, they were just freshmen on a stacked elite 8 team.

We weren't that stacked.

[jtksu]

If you're in the E8, you're pretty stacked.  And it SHOULD be difficult for a freshman to crack into the regular rotation.  Not impossible, but he better be pretty freaking badass to earn significant minutes.

[_33]

If you're in the E8, you're pretty stacked.

We weren't that stacked.