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Re: Trade Wars!
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2025, 09:01:46 PM »
Has anyone explained why China got a lower rate than Canada and Mexico?

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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2025, 09:09:57 PM »
Has anyone explained why China got a lower rate than Canada and Mexico?

China got an additional 10% on top of the 25% they already had.

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Re: Trade Wars!
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2025, 09:35:57 PM »
Just tazing our own nuts. So fuckin’ ridiculous: and for what? There’s no upside. We cannot “win”.


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This is what I haven’t heard a non idiotic explanation for. What is the point other than just being a rough ridin' idiot bad person and to pretend to be tough? What could we possibly gain from this?


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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2025, 09:47:57 PM »
When is the Canadian election, maybe Trump is just setting up Canada MAGA for an easy win

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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2025, 09:49:16 PM »
I'm guessing this is great for Trudeau and his party.

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Re: Trade Wars!
« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2025, 09:52:32 PM »
Just tazing our own nuts. So fuckin’ ridiculous: and for what? There’s no upside. We cannot “win”.


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This is what I haven’t heard a non idiotic explanation for. What is the point other than just being a rough ridin' idiot bad person and to pretend to be tough? What could we possibly gain from this?


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I believe the goal is increased revenue from tariffs allowing lower income taxes and manufacturing returning.

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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2025, 09:54:49 PM »
I'm guessing we will retract the economy enough that the tariff revenue won't net anything.

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Re: Trade Wars!
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2025, 09:57:31 PM »
Did Trump just put a tariff on Canadian maple products?
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2025, 10:50:16 PM »
Dow futures down more than 600 points right now.

Down 725 points now.

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Re: Trade Wars!
« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2025, 10:57:53 PM »
Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating. 

Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML

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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2025, 11:05:08 PM »
Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating. 

Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML

I think things are going to get too bad for Trump to spin them.

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Re: Trade Wars!
« Reply #36 on: February 03, 2025, 12:16:41 AM »
Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating. 

Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML

I think things are going to get too bad for Trump to spin them.

By the time that happens, there will be no path to deposing him

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« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2025, 07:03:18 AM »
Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating. 

Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML

When you say kill the housing market you mean kill home builders right?

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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2025, 07:32:11 AM »
Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating. 

Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML

When you say kill the housing market you mean kill home builders right?
I thought that last time there was a lumber shortage it impacted all housing cause fewer new builds meant less overall supply and higher prices on everything.

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Re: Trade Wars!
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2025, 07:38:44 AM »
I’m against the WTO just like Biden, Obama, Bush, and Trump. I’ve changed my mind on tariffs, as long as they are used to fund job growth and gdp growth and not merely as means of providing tax breaks for the wealthy.

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« Reply #40 on: February 03, 2025, 07:47:56 AM »
Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating. 

Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML

When you say kill the housing market you mean kill home builders right?
I thought that last time there was a lumber shortage it impacted all housing cause fewer new builds meant less overall supply and higher prices on everything.

So less supply of new housing will mean increase demand for existing housing. It's not going to make existing home prices go down, it's going to make them go up. It will definitely put a wet blanket on construction industry though.
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Re: Trade Wars!
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2025, 08:02:44 AM »
Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating. 

Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML

I think things are going to get too bad for Trump to spin them.
Trump things are never too bad for him to spin. Just reassign the blame to Democrats, RINOs, Globalists, etc. He has and endless supply of scapegoats for his stupidity and his followers / enablers slurp it up with joy.

How does anyone who has passed ECON 101 believe that putting up barriers to trade improves economic conditions for anywhere?

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« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2025, 08:05:37 AM »
Maybe I wasn't very clear, but if it was within my power, I'd reverse the 25% tariff on everything and be done. We'd be better off without getting engaged in a trade war.

From a personal standpoint, there is a silver lining to the tariffs, but I'd still they rather not be implemented.

Silver lining for who exactly?

For me with Mexican pecans getting a 25% tariff.

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« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2025, 08:16:41 AM »
Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating. 

Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML

When you say kill the housing market you mean kill home builders right?
I thought that last time there was a lumber shortage it impacted all housing cause fewer new builds meant less overall supply and higher prices on everything.

So less supply of new housing will mean increase demand for existing housing. It's not going to make existing home prices go down, it's going to make them go up. It will definitely put a wet blanket on construction industry though.
Not an expert in this area at all, but my expectation would be that the decreased supply would also result in fewer purchases, especially from current renters, not just a tidy price increase that’s passed on to the consumer.

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« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2025, 08:52:56 AM »
Starting a trade war just for fun:

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-tariffs-25-percent-mexico-canada-trade-economy-84476fb2?mod=hp_opin_pos_4#cxrecs_s

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President Trump will fire his first tariff salvo on Saturday against those notorious American adversaries . . . Mexico and Canada. They’ll get hit with a 25% border tax, while China, a real adversary, will endure 10%. This reminds us of the old Bernard Lewis joke that it’s risky to be America’s enemy but it can be fatal to be its friend.

Leaving China aside, Mr. Trump’s justification for this economic assault on the neighbors makes no sense. White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt says they’ve “enabled illegal drugs to pour into America.” But drugs have flowed into the U.S. for decades, and will continue to do so as long as Americans keep using them. Neither country can stop it.

Drugs may be an excuse since Mr. Trump has made clear he likes tariffs for their own sake. “We don’t need the products that they have,” Mr. Trump said on Thursday. “We have all the oil you need. We have all the trees you need, meaning the lumber.”

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« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2025, 10:06:32 AM »
Kiss the housing market goodbye, which is equivalent to the US economy. Over a30% of our wood comes from canada and probably a good percentage of the labor force to build, repair and landscape homes comes from mexico. I feel really bad for all those LA fire and fall hurricane/flood victims. All of this is so GD frustrating. 

Trump will spin some BS about how Biden’s market was already on the downslope and he saved it from being worse. Then his dumbfuck cult will eat it up hook, line and sinker. His fellow party members parrot his message, selling their souls and our country for more votes. FML

When you say kill the housing market you mean kill home builders right?
I thought that last time there was a lumber shortage it impacted all housing cause fewer new builds meant less overall supply and higher prices on everything.

So less supply of new housing will mean increase demand for existing housing. It's not going to make existing home prices go down, it's going to make them go up. It will definitely put a wet blanket on construction industry though.
Not an expert in this area at all, but my expectation would be that the decreased supply would also result in fewer purchases, especially from current renters, not just a tidy price increase that’s passed on to the consumer.
I’m no expert either but my thinking is higher prices wont do anything but raise property taxes when nobody is buying or selling. Entry level houses will be too expensive for first time buyers, and existing buyers wont want to leave their low-rate mortgages to purchase drastically higher priced upgrade homes.

That would lead me to think people will be more likely to repair/remodel their existing homes, except everything at home depot and lowes will be more expensive, and it will be more difficult to find labor to do the jobs.

Another big difference from 2020 (when we had low supply of houses and raw materials, as well as tariffs) is interest rates were 2.5%, not 6.5%. Many were refinancing and taking cash out for remodeling/repairs. Additionally, many were using stimulus checks to fix up houses since that's the only place they could go for months and months. Also, more people were willing to upgrade to nicer homes because rates were historically low.

All that said, who knows what will happen now that many companies are mandating a return to offices. That may open up some supply in the burbs and small towns again? I hope I'm just doom spiraling and all will work itself out (fingers crossed).
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Re: Trade Wars!
« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2025, 09:23:50 AM »
So what is the purpose of the tariffs?

1. Tariffs in and of themselves are good for the the US economy.
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2. They could temporarily hurt the economy and drive up prices and cause a recession but they are a smart component in fighting a drug war against Canada.
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3. They aren't ready good for the economy, the threat of them is just being used as leverage to get (something??) from our trade partners.

I'm losing track....

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« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2025, 09:36:01 AM »
I'm growing increasingly weary that the orange man really thinks he can fold Canada into the US and thinks this tariff crap is a tool to do so.
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« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2025, 09:59:13 AM »
Elon and dipshit have both said that things will be hard for a while but will eventually be worth it. Whatever reasons anyone attributes to either of them, they know they are going to cause a down turn.

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« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2025, 12:25:56 PM »
Elon and dipshit have both said that things will be hard for a while but will eventually be worth it. Whatever reasons anyone attributes to either of them, they know they are going to cause a down turn.
Just because????