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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2024, 05:29:53 PM »
Yeah, again, it's game 3. My outlook on basketball is let me know what they look like starting the end of December. This is glorified practice for the next 6 weeks. And it's been like that not just with Tang but Weber and Frank. We've never been great out the gates. All these issues sound fairly solvable too, we make it sound like we lost by 20 to a mid major.

This is the way. Its November basketball, as long as we aren't losing to ft hays state I really don't make much judgement on how we look.

That being said we looked awful last night, luckily it was November and we will have plenty of time to get better.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2024, 05:52:42 PM »
Which assistant(s) should we fire first? Should we fire them mid season? Should we do it at the airport with no ride home?

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2024, 06:03:30 PM »
i think a shakeup on the coaching staff is definitely needed if we don't make the tourney again, not tang, but an assistant for sure
yeah I’m not saying burn it down either. there’s just no excuse for what we saw last night, none. 

more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.

maybe what we are seeing is that some coaches have adapted to the portal era and others haven’t.

we played like crap in a game over a 40 game season against a team good enough to beat our asses, it's going to happen again too, I'm confused as to why it HAS to be more than that. I mean at one point in the second half we were shooting under 30%, what else is supposed to happen when you do that against another high major?

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2024, 06:05:12 PM »
Which assistant(s) should we fire first? Should we fire them mid season? Should we do it at the airport with no ride home?

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2024, 06:36:36 PM »
i think a shakeup on the coaching staff is definitely needed if we don't make the tourney again, not tang, but an assistant for sure
yeah I’m not saying burn it down either. there’s just no excuse for what we saw last night, none. 

more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.

maybe what we are seeing is that some coaches have adapted to the portal era and others haven’t.

we played like crap in a game over a 40 game season against a team good enough to beat our asses, it's going to happen again too, I'm confused as to why it HAS to be more than that. I mean at one point in the second half we were shooting under 30%, what else is supposed to happen when you do that against another high major?
why you’re acting like last season didn’t happen is a mystery to me.  i’ve repeatedly said that what was last night was last season, it’s cool if you don’t agree w me but it’s true.


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2024, 06:48:19 PM »
Which assistant(s) should we fire first? Should we fire them mid season? Should we do it at the airport with no ride home?
the current staff just need to get better


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2024, 02:04:55 AM »
i think a shakeup on the coaching staff is definitely needed if we don't make the tourney again, not tang, but an assistant for sure
yeah I’m not saying burn it down either. there’s just no excuse for what we saw last night, none. 

more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.

maybe what we are seeing is that some coaches have adapted to the portal era and others haven’t.

we played like crap in a game over a 40 game season against a team good enough to beat our asses, it's going to happen again too, I'm confused as to why it HAS to be more than that. I mean at one point in the second half we were shooting under 30%, what else is supposed to happen when you do that against another high major?
why you’re acting like last season didn’t happen is a mystery to me.  i’ve repeatedly said that what was last night was last season, it’s cool if you don’t agree w me but it’s true.

Am I supposed to think a nit season after an elite 8 is enough to throw myself in front of a truck? I do not expect our basketball program to make the NCAA tournament every season. If in a five year period we play in 3 NCAA tournaments, one whatever the new Big 12 Vegas not thing and one miss the post season entirely, with competing for a conference championship at least once every five years, essentially what OU has been our entire lives, I'd be fine with that. If the only standard of happiness with this program is making the NCAA tournament every year, I might as well stop watching.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2024, 06:06:48 AM »
i think a shakeup on the coaching staff is definitely needed if we don't make the tourney again, not tang, but an assistant for sure
yeah I’m not saying burn it down either. there’s just no excuse for what we saw last night, none. 

more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.

maybe what we are seeing is that some coaches have adapted to the portal era and others haven’t.

we played like crap in a game over a 40 game season against a team good enough to beat our asses, it's going to happen again too, I'm confused as to why it HAS to be more than that. I mean at one point in the second half we were shooting under 30%, what else is supposed to happen when you do that against another high major?
why you’re acting like last season didn’t happen is a mystery to me.  i’ve repeatedly said that what was last night was last season, it’s cool if you don’t agree w me but it’s true.

Am I supposed to think a nit season after an elite 8 is enough to throw myself in front of a truck? I do not expect our basketball program to make the NCAA tournament every season. If in a five year period we play in 3 NCAA tournaments, one whatever the new Big 12 Vegas not thing and one miss the post season entirely, with competing for a conference championship at least once every five years, essentially what OU has been our entire lives, I'd be fine with that. If the only standard of happiness with this program is making the NCAA tournament every year, I might as well stop watching.
and you’re here accusing others of bad faith strawman arguments

no one is suggesting anyone throw themselves in front of a truck.  what I am saying is that thursday wasn’t an isolated incident.  it was more of what we saw last year.  that this could be a problem, and that the staff could be mishandling the players on a completely “rebuilt” roster if this trend continues.

what you’ve said is that it’s just one game and we’re more of a team that’s built to go toe to toe with the likes of the one number one team in the country and we just aren’t built right to not get throttled at home against programs like the 40th ranked LSU tigers who were picked to place 14th in their league

every coach in the country relies on exploiting match ups, it’s not like we’re any different.  what we saw from this team on thursday has nothing to do with being a team of “tweeners”.

it was lack of hustle, lack of discipline, lack of commitment, this all comes from coaching, has nothing to do with the other crap


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2024, 10:56:57 AM »
I don't see it being the same mistakes as last year since we only turned the ball over 7 times last night. I don't know how we miss so many layups. I'm assuming it's just a bad luck night, because any D1 player should be able to make layups at a pretty high clip. But maybe it is, in fact, part of the Tang experience.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2024, 02:15:14 PM »
Just went to check the score and lmao, we lost by 11? You guys are wild. They shot 50% from the field and ksu went 5/21 from 3. And still outscored them in the 2nd half.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2024, 02:22:20 PM »
Clams, I feel like I'm being gE'd here. As been pointed out the only real similarity to the LSU loss and last year is that we didn't rebound well. We lost because LSU shot well and we didn't. I don't think poor shooting is going to be a hallmark of this team, but it's college basketball so it's almost certainly going to happen again. I don't see any correlation to last year's team, if you do, you do, but I didn't. We're a team that's projected to be like a 10 seed who lost an early season game to a NIT team, sorry but I don't feel the need to panic here.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2024, 02:51:13 PM »
Just went to check the score and lmao, we lost by 11? You guys are wild. They shot 50% from the field and ksu went 5/21 from 3. And still outscored them in the 2nd half.


Why did you only include Hausen's 3PT slash line?


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2024, 03:00:29 PM »


Just went to check the score and lmao, we lost by 11? You guys are wild. They shot 50% from the field and ksu went 5/21 from 3. And still outscored them in the 2nd half.


Why did you only include Hausen's 3PT slash line?


Excluding Hausen, the team went 3 for 15 m8 lmao

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2024, 03:34:44 PM »
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2024, 06:06:21 PM »
Just went to check the score and lmao, we lost by 11? You guys are wild. They shot 50% from the field and ksu went 5/21 from 3. And still outscored them in the 2nd half.
LSU was in control the last 25 to 30 minutes of the game. We never made a serious run at them in the second half, despite Cam and friends turning the ball over like Cats of last year.
Rebounding is especially concerning because Tang has said improving ball handling and rebounding were the focus of our recruiting. Achor Achor might help if he ever sees the floor for any significant time.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2024, 09:46:39 AM »
more troubling for me is that we saw these same weaknesses in last year’s team and chalked them up to a variety of reasons, my own theory last season was that TP was playing out of position and then some weird injuries never really let the team gel.


Yeah, this is it for me.  I'm not anti-Tang or anything, but I hoped we would look like we took strides from last year.  I expect us to beat almost any unranked team at home.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2024, 10:12:00 AM »
It's time for someone to take down the complaints in this thread and then have a conversation about them on Hang with Tang.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2024, 02:46:30 PM »
Yeah, again, it's game 3. My outlook on basketball is let me know what they look like starting the end of December. This is glorified practice for the next 6 weeks. And it's been like that not just with Tang but Weber and Frank. We've never been great out the gates. All these issues sound fairly solvable too, we make it sound like we lost by 20 to a mid major.

This is the way. Its November basketball, as long as we aren't losing to ft hays state I really don't make much judgement on how we look.

That being said we looked awful last night, luckily it was November and we will have plenty of time to get better.

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2024, 10:15:49 AM »
We have to win by 50+ tonight to be back in my good graces.  :bwpopcorn:
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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2024, 10:47:41 AM »
Mississippi Valley State is dead-last in KenPom - 364th out of 364  :drool:

They are 1-3 on the year with the lone win coming against the Mississippi Univ. for Women Owls, and they’ve already matched their win total from last season (1-30).

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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2024, 12:42:33 PM »
It's time for someone to take down the complaints in this thread and then have a conversation about them on Hang with Tang.
if we included gene in the conversation, which we should, then it would be Hang with Tang and the Stang

i’d be willing to sit down with the pair and have this difficult conversation.  as brene brown taught me, being clear is kind.


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Re: It’s time to have a conversation about Jerome Tang
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2024, 01:51:56 PM »
Mississippi Valley State is dead-last in KenPom - 364th out of 364  :drool:

They are 1-3 on the year with the lone win coming against the Mississippi Univ. for Women Owls, and they’ve already matched their win total from last season (1-30).

They are perpetually in the running for the worst b-ball team in the country. They've lost at least 25 games in 9 of the last 10 seasons and the one year they didn't, they played a shortened schedule and went 2-22.

The entire athletic department has a budget of less than $5 million and b-ball's budget is less than $500k.

Incredibly tough place to win...

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« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2024, 03:35:55 PM »
Mississippi Valley State is dead-last in KenPom - 364th out of 364  :drool:

They are 1-3 on the year with the lone win coming against the Mississippi Univ. for Women Owls, and they’ve already matched their win total from last season (1-30).

Some facts about Mississippi University for Women Owls:
-It has admitted dongs since 1982, and dongs now make up around 22% of genitals on campus.
-It was founded in 1884 as the Mississippi Industrial Institute and College for the Education of White Girls.
-It didn't play sports at all between 2002 and 2017 after an F3 tornado ripped through town.
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« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2024, 04:23:52 PM »
lol that's great. Thanks for sharing, MIR.