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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #150 on: November 14, 2024, 02:19:19 PM »
Thankfully because of OBAMAcare I'll have insurance in the 6 month gap before I'm eligible for Medicare. My bills for 2024 were over 2 million  :sdeek:
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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #151 on: November 14, 2024, 02:37:43 PM »
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Writing more on this for tomorrow, but the Dem ground game in the target states really did its job. Had Trump only gotten as many votes as he did in 2020, Harris would have held Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, and would be losing Michigan right now by fewer than 600 votes.

Actually I pulled the newest Michigan data - had Trump only hit his 2020 number she'd have won Michigan.
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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #152 on: November 14, 2024, 02:45:40 PM »
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Writing more on this for tomorrow, but the Dem ground game in the target states really did its job. Had Trump only gotten as many votes as he did in 2020, Harris would have held Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, and would be losing Michigan right now by fewer than 600 votes.

Actually I pulled the newest Michigan data - had Trump only hit his 2020 number she'd have won Michigan.
https://bsky.app/profile/daveweigel.bsky.social/post/3lawb6hm7es2f
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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #153 on: November 14, 2024, 02:48:17 PM »
Yeah that seems like some very creative cope
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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #154 on: November 14, 2024, 03:00:57 PM »
Thankfully because of OBAMAcare I'll have insurance in the 6 month gap before I'm eligible for Medicare. My bills for 2024 were over 2 million  :sdeek:

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #155 on: November 14, 2024, 03:06:55 PM »
Thankfully because of OBAMAcare I'll have insurance in the 6 month gap before I'm eligible for Medicare. My bills for 2024 were over 2 million  :sdeek:

you should look in to the ACA, way better.

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #156 on: November 14, 2024, 05:30:52 PM »
Even if what you assert was true, she didn't take positions and didn't answer questions, okay? Do you think that the people who voted for trump did so because of his strong policy positions and they would have voted for her if they only knew how she stood on topic x?

I don't want to get into everything, but honestly Trump does a better job making it seem like he has strong policy positions and branding them.

"No tax on tips"
"Build the Wall"
"Lock her up"
"Mass deportations"
"Kamala is for They/them, Trump is for you"
"Make America Great Again"
"Democrats love war"

If you asked the average voter about top policy positions of Trump, that probably name something from that list. If you asked them the same about Kamala, what would they say? I really don't know.

Now, you and I know he probably won't follow through on any of that stuff because he's lazy and easily distracted, but you have to admit he has been better at branding and marketing than Kamala was. Whether you consider that "campaigning" or not is up to you.

There are three policy positions there, one of which he already failed at. But, yes, you're 100% correct on the perception of policy positions with most people, as opposed to the reality of the situation. I would like to think people that post on a politics message board would be more savvy than the general 22 year old who gets his news off of twitter, but I guess not.

Yes, he's better and brand slogans, than she is, he's better at that than anyone else, mostly because he won't be held accountable for whatever he says so it's tough for him to have any messaging that won't resonate. The issue here isn't comparing her to him as a campaigner. There isn't a person in America that will compare favorably to him, because of the mindset of the people taking the message in. The question here is if she ran a bad campaign as opposed to anyone else who would be running for president, and of course the answer is no she did not. There isn't anything she could have done, as far as campaigning, that would have made a difference here. She pandered to the right center, and not only didn't it work, but we have people that she campaigned to, lamenting about her ceding her campaign to the left, lol.

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #157 on: November 14, 2024, 05:35:16 PM »
Even if what you assert was true, she didn't take positions and didn't answer questions, okay? Do you think that the people who voted for trump did so because of his strong policy positions and they would have voted for her if they only knew how she stood on topic x?

I don't want to get into everything, but honestly Trump does a better job making it seem like he has strong policy positions and branding them.

"No tax on tips"
"Build the Wall"
"Lock her up"
"Mass deportations"
"Kamala is for They/them, Trump is for you"
"Make America Great Again"
"Democrats love war"

If you asked the average voter about top policy positions of Trump, that probably name something from that list. If you asked them the same about Kamala, what would they say? I really don't know.

Now, you and I know he probably won't follow through on any of that stuff because he's lazy and easily distracted, but you have to admit he has been better at branding and marketing than Kamala was. Whether you consider that "campaigning" or not is up to you.

There are three policy positions there, one of which he already failed at. But, yes, you're 100% correct on the perception of policy positions with most people, as opposed to the reality of the situation. I would like to think people that post on a politics message board would be more savvy than the general 22 year old who gets his news off of twitter, but I guess not.

Yes, he's better and brand slogans, than she is, he's better at that than anyone else, mostly because he won't be held accountable for whatever he says so it's tough for him to have any messaging that won't resonate. The issue here isn't comparing her to him as a campaigner. There isn't a person in America that will compare favorably to him, because of the mindset of the people taking the message in. The question here is if she ran a bad campaign as opposed to anyone else who would be running for president, and of course the answer is no she did not. There isn't anything she could have done, as far as campaigning, that would have made a difference here. She pandered to the right center, and not only didn't it work, but we have people that she campaigned to, lamenting about her ceding her campaign to the left, lol.

I'd argue Trump's "tarrifs on everyone" policy probably hits pretty strongly as well because 98% of the population of this country has no idea how tarrifs work and it sounds to them like he's solely punishing other countries. Dems also did a HORRIBLE job of spiking the football on the economy the last few years. Animal Spirits talked about it a lot wednesday like imagining if Trump had been in charge during this absolutely historic bull market and raging economy. dems didn't even try to take credit for it. so the average american thinks the overall economy sucks when it objectively rules. so baffling.

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #158 on: November 14, 2024, 06:21:35 PM »
Thankfully because of OBAMAcare I'll have insurance in the 6 month gap before I'm eligible for Medicare. My bills for 2024 were over 2 million  :sdeek:
That’s more than I make in an entire year!

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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #159 on: November 14, 2024, 06:30:32 PM »
Thankfully because of OBAMAcare I'll have insurance in the 6 month gap before I'm eligible for Medicare. My bills for 2024 were over 2 million  :sdeek:

You can easily negotiate that down to 500k
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Re: Who should the dems blame?
« Reply #160 on: November 14, 2024, 06:36:55 PM »
Thankfully because of OBAMAcare I'll have insurance in the 6 month gap before I'm eligible for Medicare. My bills for 2024 were over 2 million  :sdeek:
That’s more than I make in an entire year!

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