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« Reply #175 on: November 02, 2024, 09:30:55 PM »
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« Reply #176 on: November 02, 2024, 10:02:29 PM »
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« Reply #177 on: November 02, 2024, 10:08:58 PM »
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« Reply #178 on: November 02, 2024, 10:20:26 PM »
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« Reply #179 on: November 02, 2024, 11:19:24 PM »
Thank god it's basketball season..  :flush:
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« Reply #180 on: November 03, 2024, 05:35:15 AM »
I think we can all agree the OC experiment this year is a failure.

Conner Riley is a complete and total failure

Huard pointed out many times that Wells is the passing game coordinator. FWIW

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« Reply #181 on: November 03, 2024, 09:59:11 AM »
I think we can all agree the OC experiment this year is a failure.

Conner Riley is a complete and total failure

Huard pointed out many times that Wells is the passing game coordinator. FWIW

I watched most of the game on phone at a wedding reception, and am excited rewatch and listen to Huard’s commentary on the game, especially Avery and the passing game.
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Re: Watching AJ beat the CRAP out of Houston
« Reply #182 on: November 03, 2024, 10:06:57 AM »
we still have a clear path into the conference championship game

https://bball.notnothing.net/bracket.php?conf=big12fb

Ran through some scenarios and it seems we are still in good shape with tie breakers if a bunch of teams end up with 2 loss each..

Obviously we need CU to lose and for us to win out but if those 2 things happen a BYU/KSU rematch seems to be the only outcome regardless of who else is tied with 2 losses.

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Re: Watching AJ beat the CRAP out of Houston
« Reply #183 on: November 03, 2024, 10:14:03 AM »
Who is going to beat CU?


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« Reply #184 on: November 03, 2024, 10:25:47 AM »
Who is going to beat CU?


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« Reply #185 on: November 03, 2024, 10:32:57 AM »
Texas Tech too
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« Reply #186 on: November 03, 2024, 11:31:48 AM »
Texas Tech too
Missed that one, crap.  At Tech too.


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Re: Watching AJ beat the CRAP out of Houston
« Reply #187 on: November 04, 2024, 08:44:28 AM »
Scott Wildcat says this was the worst loss of the Klieman era. (Sometimes he can be given to hyperbole). Anyway, feels more flukely and not a referendum on the team given that the game was played in a driving rainstorm, etc.

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« Reply #188 on: November 04, 2024, 09:03:19 AM »
Scott Wildcat says this was the worst loss of the Klieman era. (Sometimes he can be given to hyperbole). Anyway, feels more flukely and not a referendum on the team given that the game was played in a driving rainstorm, etc.

Going to need an even more monumental faceplant to top losing to Arkansas State...

Houston ain't great, but they beat TCU and Utah too.

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« Reply #189 on: November 04, 2024, 09:59:21 AM »
He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.

We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.

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« Reply #190 on: November 04, 2024, 11:28:10 AM »
He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.

We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.

That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.

This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).

We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.

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« Reply #191 on: November 04, 2024, 11:29:11 AM »
He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.

We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.
This post forced me to remember the game that I assume is your #2, so thanks for that.

Where would the BYU loss fall in that scenario?

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Re: Watching AJ beat the CRAP out of Houston
« Reply #192 on: November 04, 2024, 12:16:01 PM »
He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.

We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.

That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.

This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).

We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.

I agree with this, and if you asked me at the beginning of the year where I thought we’d be at this point, as a cynic homer I would’ve guessed 7-2 (but not these specific losses).

I think the ASU game is going to be a test  and ISU remains a toss-up I wasn’t confident about base case (regardless of Houston game outcome).


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« Reply #193 on: November 04, 2024, 02:27:16 PM »
He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.

We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.

That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.

This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).

We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.

I don't agree with this thought process, at all. Why are we fortunate to have 3 one score wins? Can you tell me a good team that doesn't have close wins? You think Oregon fans are saying "we're lucky we didn't lose to Idaho, Boise, and Ohio State?" It's not 1998, no one wins games like that anymore. I don't know what being a top 12 team entails but if we won that game on Saturday we would have been ranked in, or right outside of it. Nearly all of the one and two loss teams ranked at the bottom of the top 10 and just outside of it have very similar profiles. I entered a bracket prediction contest today and I really struggled with teams 10-12 because there are so many teams that are indistinguishable right now.

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Re: Watching AJ beat the CRAP out of Houston
« Reply #194 on: November 04, 2024, 03:29:36 PM »
He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.

We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.

That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.

This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).

We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.

I don't agree with this thought process, at all. Why are we fortunate to have 3 one score wins? Can you tell me a good team that doesn't have close wins? You think Oregon fans are saying "we're lucky we didn't lose to Idaho, Boise, and Ohio State?" It's not 1998, no one wins games like that anymore. I don't know what being a top 12 team entails but if we won that game on Saturday we would have been ranked in, or right outside of it. Nearly all of the one and two loss teams ranked at the bottom of the top 10 and just outside of it have very similar profiles. I entered a bracket prediction contest today and I really struggled with teams 10-12 because there are so many teams that are indistinguishable right now.

Let me rephrase - we have played four close games this year and are 3-1. Of the three wins, one is against a fringy top 25 team (Colorado), one is against a team that is good by lower conference standards (Tulane) and one is against a team that won't go to a bowl game this year (KU).

Most good teams do have close games during the season, but, most of the time, those games are against teams of similar aptitude (certainly not always, but most of the time). Colorado will need to win the Big 12 to make the playoffs, which is possible, but otherwise, they (and the other 3 teams) won't make it.

The point here is that we've been skating on thin ice for, quite literally, almost half of our games this year, which says to me that we don't truly belong in the playoff conversation. Could we have been if we hadn't laid a turd against Houston? Sure, but my view is that it would have only delayed our exodus from that conversation because I do think we'll lose 2 of the next three (obviously hope I'm wrong). And, that's to say nothing of even being in a competitive game against Houston in the first place.

The secondary point is that I think reasonable fans always viewed this as the bridge year to next year, which is when my expectations will be higher.

The circumstances are certainly different due to the playoffs, but I can't see saying this Houston loss is on the same level as any during the 1997-2003 seasons (minus 2001) or 2012. I say that because my expectations were never at the same level as those years (and, perhaps unfairly, it's also based on how I think this team will finish).

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Re: Watching AJ beat the CRAP out of Houston
« Reply #195 on: November 04, 2024, 03:37:43 PM »
He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.

We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.

That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.

This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).

We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.

I don't agree with this thought process, at all. Why are we fortunate to have 3 one score wins? Can you tell me a good team that doesn't have close wins? You think Oregon fans are saying "we're lucky we didn't lose to Idaho, Boise, and Ohio State?" It's not 1998, no one wins games like that anymore. I don't know what being a top 12 team entails but if we won that game on Saturday we would have been ranked in, or right outside of it. Nearly all of the one and two loss teams ranked at the bottom of the top 10 and just outside of it have very similar profiles. I entered a bracket prediction contest today and I really struggled with teams 10-12 because there are so many teams that are indistinguishable right now.

Let me rephrase - we have played four close games this year and are 3-1. Of the three wins, one is against a fringy top 25 team (Colorado), one is against a team that is good by lower conference standards (Tulane) and one is against a team that won't go to a bowl game this year (KU).

Most good teams do have close games during the season, but, most of the time, those games are against teams of similar aptitude (certainly not always, but most of the time). Colorado will need to win the Big 12 to make the playoffs, which is possible, but otherwise, they (and the other 3 teams) won't make it.

The point here is that we've been skating on thin ice for, quite literally, almost half of our games this year, which says to me that we don't truly belong in the playoff conversation. Could we have been if we hadn't laid a turd against Houston? Sure, but my view is that it would have only delayed our exodus from that conversation because I do think we'll lose 2 of the next three (obviously hope I'm wrong). And, that's to say nothing of even being in a competitive game against Houston in the first place.

The secondary point is that I think reasonable fans always viewed this as the bridge year to next year, which is when my expectations will be higher.

The circumstances are certainly different due to the playoffs, but I can't see saying this Houston loss is on the same level as any during the 1997-2003 seasons (minus 2001) or 2012. I say that because my expectations were never at the same level as those years (and, perhaps unfairly, it's also based on how I think this team will finish).

In August it was completely reasonable to think this team had a better than good shot at winning the conference. Meaning a better than good shot of making the CFP. After a few games into the season it would be reasonable to think we were going to get boat raced the first game we played no matter who it was against, but in terms of expectations I'm not sure how this year would differ from those early BCS years. Is it just because there are 12 teams that have a shot at winning the whole thing instead of just 2?

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Re: Watching AJ beat the CRAP out of Houston
« Reply #196 on: November 04, 2024, 04:06:34 PM »
He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.

We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.

That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.

This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).

We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.

I don't agree with this thought process, at all. Why are we fortunate to have 3 one score wins? Can you tell me a good team that doesn't have close wins? You think Oregon fans are saying "we're lucky we didn't lose to Idaho, Boise, and Ohio State?" It's not 1998, no one wins games like that anymore. I don't know what being a top 12 team entails but if we won that game on Saturday we would have been ranked in, or right outside of it. Nearly all of the one and two loss teams ranked at the bottom of the top 10 and just outside of it have very similar profiles. I entered a bracket prediction contest today and I really struggled with teams 10-12 because there are so many teams that are indistinguishable right now.

Let me rephrase - we have played four close games this year and are 3-1. Of the three wins, one is against a fringy top 25 team (Colorado), one is against a team that is good by lower conference standards (Tulane) and one is against a team that won't go to a bowl game this year (KU).

Most good teams do have close games during the season, but, most of the time, those games are against teams of similar aptitude (certainly not always, but most of the time). Colorado will need to win the Big 12 to make the playoffs, which is possible, but otherwise, they (and the other 3 teams) won't make it.

The point here is that we've been skating on thin ice for, quite literally, almost half of our games this year, which says to me that we don't truly belong in the playoff conversation. Could we have been if we hadn't laid a turd against Houston? Sure, but my view is that it would have only delayed our exodus from that conversation because I do think we'll lose 2 of the next three (obviously hope I'm wrong). And, that's to say nothing of even being in a competitive game against Houston in the first place.

The secondary point is that I think reasonable fans always viewed this as the bridge year to next year, which is when my expectations will be higher.

The circumstances are certainly different due to the playoffs, but I can't see saying this Houston loss is on the same level as any during the 1997-2003 seasons (minus 2001) or 2012. I say that because my expectations were never at the same level as those years (and, perhaps unfairly, it's also based on how I think this team will finish).

In August it was completely reasonable to think this team had a better than good shot at winning the conference. Meaning a better than good shot of making the CFP. After a few games into the season it would be reasonable to think we were going to get boat raced the first game we played no matter who it was against, but in terms of expectations I'm not sure how this year would differ from those early BCS years. Is it just because there are 12 teams that have a shot at winning the whole thing instead of just 2?

For me, in most of those years, I entered the season thinking we were one of the 10 best teams in the country. I never believed that this year even knowing a Big 12 title/playoff berth was possible. That tempered my expectations.

Klieman's inability to make it through a September yet without a loss probably plays into that as well.

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Re: Watching AJ beat the CRAP out of Houston
« Reply #197 on: November 04, 2024, 07:28:29 PM »
He didn't say worst team, he said worst loss and given opponent, stakes, and what was happening in the game, I agree. It was an all-time pants shitting when there was so much to gain by just holding on to a 2 score lead, with the ball in our hands, in the fourth quarter, against a bad team.

We finish that game off and we're somewhere between 9 and 13 in the first CFP ranking tomorrow night, with an outside chance of making the CFP without winning the conference. Now we need help with even making the championship game. If we win out and have to watch Colorado and BYU in the the CCG, this game becomes the third worst loss in program history.

That's all fine and good, but I think even the most optimistic K-State fan has (hopefully) realized we've been awfully fortunate to not have 2-3 additional losses at this point. This isn't 1998 when we were legitimately one of the best 2-3 teams in the country.

This is not a top 12 team - even in a wild/crazy year without the usual crop of dominate teams - and I think the rest of the year will show that (I personally think we'll drop at least one of the next three games and think it's more likely than not that we drop two of three).

We'll find out soon enough, but it's obviously gut check time for this team.

I don't agree with this thought process, at all. Why are we fortunate to have 3 one score wins? Can you tell me a good team that doesn't have close wins? You think Oregon fans are saying "we're lucky we didn't lose to Idaho, Boise, and Ohio State?" It's not 1998, no one wins games like that anymore. I don't know what being a top 12 team entails but if we won that game on Saturday we would have been ranked in, or right outside of it. Nearly all of the one and two loss teams ranked at the bottom of the top 10 and just outside of it have very similar profiles. I entered a bracket prediction contest today and I really struggled with teams 10-12 because there are so many teams that are indistinguishable right now.

Let me rephrase - we have played four close games this year and are 3-1. Of the three wins, one is against a fringy top 25 team (Colorado), one is against a team that is good by lower conference standards (Tulane) and one is against a team that won't go to a bowl game this year (KU).

Most good teams do have close games during the season, but, most of the time, those games are against teams of similar aptitude (certainly not always, but most of the time). Colorado will need to win the Big 12 to make the playoffs, which is possible, but otherwise, they (and the other 3 teams) won't make it.

The point here is that we've been skating on thin ice for, quite literally, almost half of our games this year, which says to me that we don't truly belong in the playoff conversation. Could we have been if we hadn't laid a turd against Houston? Sure, but my view is that it would have only delayed our exodus from that conversation because I do think we'll lose 2 of the next three (obviously hope I'm wrong). And, that's to say nothing of even being in a competitive game against Houston in the first place.

The secondary point is that I think reasonable fans always viewed this as the bridge year to next year, which is when my expectations will be higher.

The circumstances are certainly different due to the playoffs, but I can't see saying this Houston loss is on the same level as any during the 1997-2003 seasons (minus 2001) or 2012. I say that because my expectations were never at the same level as those years (and, perhaps unfairly, it's also based on how I think this team will finish).

In August it was completely reasonable to think this team had a better than good shot at winning the conference. Meaning a better than good shot of making the CFP. After a few games into the season it would be reasonable to think we were going to get boat raced the first game we played no matter who it was against, but in terms of expectations I'm not sure how this year would differ from those early BCS years. Is it just because there are 12 teams that have a shot at winning the whole thing instead of just 2?

For me, in most of those years, I entered the season thinking we were one of the 10 best teams in the country. I never believed that this year even knowing a Big 12 title/playoff berth was possible. That tempered my expectations.

Klieman's inability to make it through a September yet without a loss probably plays into that as well.

That’s fair. He’s also been amazingly consistent with losing a total WTFer of a game every year. Like just amazing

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« Reply #198 on: November 04, 2024, 08:19:50 PM »
My biggest hope for the season is our rayhawk brothers will pave the way for our third big 12 championship.
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Re: Watching AJ beat the CRAP out of Houston
« Reply #199 on: November 04, 2024, 08:21:57 PM »
B12 brass has to want CU in the CCG.  KU is going to have to play 11 vs 14.
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