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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2023, 01:28:38 PM »
Paraphrasing from something I saw on FB:

We're probably in if we win out and Texas wins out.
  • We win tiebreaker if second place is a 3-way tie betw K-State, oSu, and OU ('Cats 2-0, oSu 1-1, OU 1-1 against KU/ISU)
  • We lose tiebreaker if it's a 2-way tie with us and oSu (head-to-head)
  • We lose tiebreaker if it's a 2-way tie with us and OU (OU beat Texass)
If ISU beats UT, we likely play OU in champ.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2023, 01:35:41 PM »
Are you sure we would win that 3-way tie? OSU beat us both.  I know it's convoluted but that seems wild.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2023, 01:36:14 PM »
Winning a 3 way tie with OU and OSU is weird to me, since OSU beat us both. But we're going to have weird tiebreakers like that just about every year regardless since we have so many teams and no divisions.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2023, 01:37:52 PM »
If OSU gets left out after beating head to head the two teams in the three way tie, the rule will get changed.
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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2023, 01:38:48 PM »
Also, needing OSU to win out to be able to win a tiebreaker isn't all that comforting. I think we have about a 30% chance of making it, assuming we win out.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2023, 01:49:32 PM »
Are you sure we would win that 3-way tie? OSU beat us both.  I know it's convoluted but that seems wild.

That's the way I understand it.  Because it is 3 teams, they throw out the head-to-head victories and just take the record against the next-highest ranked opponents (KU and ISU).

If I was a Cowboy, I'd be LIVID.  But I'm a 'Cat and hope it plays out that we get another shot at Texass.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2023, 01:51:12 PM »
Are you sure we would win that 3-way tie? OSU beat us both.  I know it's convoluted but that seems wild.

That's the way I understand it.  Because it is 3 teams, they throw out the head-to-head victories and just take the record against the next-highest ranked opponents (KU and ISU).

If I was a Cowboy, I'd be LIVID.  But I'm a 'Cat and hope it plays out that we get another shot at Texass.

My understanding is that if we would have played OU, then OSU would be in due to head-to-head over both of us. But since we didn't play OU, they just skip right past that.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2023, 01:54:58 PM »
Are you sure we would win that 3-way tie? OSU beat us both.  I know it's convoluted but that seems wild.

That's the way I understand it.  Because it is 3 teams, they throw out the head-to-head victories and just take the record against the next-highest ranked opponents (KU and ISU).

If I was a Cowboy, I'd be LIVID.  But I'm a 'Cat and hope it plays out that we get another shot at Texass.

My understanding is that if we would have played OU, then OSU would be in due to head-to-head over both of us. But since we didn't play OU, they just skip right past that.

^yes this is exactly correct.  I misspoke.

oSu reallllly crapped the bed on Saturday for themselves.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2023, 02:49:46 PM »
Are you sure we would win that 3-way tie? OSU beat us both.  I know it's convoluted but that seems wild.

That's the way I understand it.  Because it is 3 teams, they throw out the head-to-head victories and just take the record against the next-highest ranked opponents (KU and ISU).

If I was a Cowboy, I'd be LIVID.  But I'm a 'Cat and hope it plays out that we get another shot at Texass.

My understanding is that if we would have played OU, then OSU would be in due to head-to-head over both of us. But since we didn't play OU, they just skip right past that.

Read this on Facebook by some guy named Brian Boos.  The comments note that we have the best records against common opponents (KU, Iowa State, UCF), but we do need to win out. 

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2023, 03:02:54 PM »
Winning a 3 way tie with OU and OSU is weird to me, since OSU beat us both. But we're going to have weird tiebreakers like that just about every year regardless since we have so many teams and no divisions.
probably discussed in the cigars thread but having a championship game in a conference without divisions is very dumb.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2023, 03:04:53 PM »
Winning a 3 way tie with OU and OSU is weird to me, since OSU beat us both. But we're going to have weird tiebreakers like that just about every year regardless since we have so many teams and no divisions.
probably discussed in the cigars thread but having a championship game in a conference without divisions is very dumb.

I thought it was dumb when we had a 10 team round robin. It's not dumb when you don't play everyone.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2023, 03:31:49 PM »
Does our champion get into the playoff automatically? I don't really see the downside to having it in the new era as long as the champion is an autobid.
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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2023, 03:40:18 PM »

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I do too, except it's dated 2019.  :D
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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2023, 04:46:37 PM »
Yea it's true, however we want #2 to be true the most.

Absolutely!  If OP's #2 is true, Farmegedden becomes a conference championship semi final   :ksu:

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2023, 04:54:08 PM »
When you have three teams tied with each other, the tiebreaker should definitely be their win pct against each other.  Lmao at whoever made these rules.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #40 on: November 13, 2023, 04:56:02 PM »
When you have three teams tied with each other, the tiebreaker should definitely be their win pct against each other.  Lmao at whoever made these rules.
Except it's perfectly possible the three of them never played.  The tiebreaker makes sense.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2023, 05:08:33 PM »
When you have three teams tied with each other, the tiebreaker should definitely be their win pct against each other.  Lmao at whoever made these rules.
Except it's perfectly possible the three of them never played.  The tiebreaker makes sense.

Then you go to the next rule dude

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2023, 05:32:20 PM »
If we would've had both OU and OSU on the schedule, I think our team would've been more focused to try to get the fanbase Oklahoma state champ shirts and got a 2-0 sweep.

The fact we didn't have OU on the sched was part of why our team had a lackluster performance in Stillwater.

Glad the rule is thrown out due to that.


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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2023, 05:53:40 PM »
I prefer a rule that benefits KSU.  This year the tiebreak rules are perfect.  Maybe they need to change next year, who knows?  We'll see, if we're in Oklahoma State's position next year then I'll be all for changing it.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2023, 05:58:45 PM »
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #45 on: November 13, 2023, 06:03:07 PM »
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once

Oh, my sweet summer child. Is getting to play every decent teams' backup QBs not enough for you?

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #46 on: November 13, 2023, 06:04:10 PM »
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once

Oh, my sweet summer child. Is getting to play every decent teams' backup QBs not enough for you?
NOT A RULE

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #47 on: November 13, 2023, 06:09:04 PM »
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once

Oh, my sweet summer child. Is getting to play every decent teams' backup QBs not enough for you?
NOT A RULE

It is. Last year, it was coined the TCrUle.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2023, 06:13:03 PM »
guys, spracne is right. once a team's QB goes down it's all over. can't win with a backup.

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Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2023, 06:14:09 PM »