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Title: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: bananaeater on November 12, 2023, 04:20:02 PM
I don't understand things.  Is this real?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231112/f65eddd36a9844b7251f934b9948ae2a.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 12, 2023, 04:25:43 PM
I’m seeing this on my screen that is connected to the internet so yes it’s true
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: bananaeater on November 12, 2023, 04:27:40 PM
I’m seeing this on my screen that is connected to the internet so yes it’s true
But based on what I'm reading, I think it is true.  We don't have to have an ISU win.  Please understand I am widely considered an imbecile by most who know me. 
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 12, 2023, 04:29:14 PM
Yea it's true, however we want #2 to be true the most.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 12, 2023, 04:46:58 PM
I think osu and/or ou still need to win out for scenario two to hit
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 12, 2023, 05:02:40 PM
This has all the makings of the (either 03-04 or 04-05 can't remember which year) Kansas City chiefs making the playoffs
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 12, 2023, 05:04:57 PM
I think osu and/or ou still need to win out for scenario two to hit

If either of them lose they are out at 3 losses.  If one wins out they would be in a three way tie with us and UT, both four way tie.  We would have a better record against common opponents than anyone in a 3 or 4 way tie. The only scenario in which we win out and don't get to Arlington is UT wins out, OU loses another, and OSU wins out.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 12, 2023, 05:09:56 PM
That’s Nuckin’ Futs!™?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 12, 2023, 05:18:14 PM
This has all the makings of the (either 03-04 or 04-05 can't remember which year) Kansas City chiefs making the playoffs

2006-07
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 12, 2023, 06:21:54 PM
This has all the makings of the (either 03-04 or 04-05 can't remember which year) Kansas City chiefs making the playoffs

2006-07

Hot damn. My memory is really starting to go. X post signs of getting old
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 12, 2023, 07:52:54 PM
This is incredibly exciting.  Having a shot at conference championships is what this sport is all about. 
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: bananaeater on November 12, 2023, 07:55:44 PM
This is incredibly exciting.  Having a shot at conference championships is what this sport is all about.
I'm so freaking pumped we have a VERY good shot to play for a dr.pepper!!!  Has really made my weekend.  These guys are going to stomp ku and ISU.  They very much seem like a team with something to prove. 
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: purplehaze on November 12, 2023, 08:01:27 PM
I think osu and/or ou still need to win out for scenario two to hit

If either of them lose they are out at 3 losses.  If one wins out they would be in a three way tie with us and UT, both four way tie.  We would have a better record against common opponents than anyone in a 3 or 4 way tie. The only scenario in which we win out and don't get to Arlington is UT wins out, OU loses another, and OSU wins out.

If OU or OSU loses and we're in a 2 way tie with the other, we lose the tie. Need it to be a 3 way with OU/OSU (plus KU win vs Cincy), or 4 way with UT/OU/OSU, or both OU and OSU to go 6-3.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 12, 2023, 08:16:10 PM
I think osu and/or ou still need to win out for scenario two to hit

If either of them lose they are out at 3 losses.  If one wins out they would be in a three way tie with us and UT, both four way tie.  We would have a better record against common opponents than anyone in a 3 or 4 way tie. The only scenario in which we win out and don't get to Arlington is UT wins out, OU loses another, and OSU wins out.

If OU or OSU loses and we're in a 2 way tie with the other, we lose the tie. Need it to be a 3 way with OU/OSU (plus KU win vs Cincy), or 4 way with UT/OU/OSU, or both OU and OSU to go 6-3.

What scenario exists where UT loses at ISU and we end up in a 2 way tie with anyone?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 12, 2023, 08:31:56 PM
I think osu and/or ou still need to win out for scenario two to hit

If either of them lose they are out at 3 losses.  If one wins out they would be in a three way tie with us and UT, both four way tie.  We would have a better record against common opponents than anyone in a 3 or 4 way tie. The only scenario in which we win out and don't get to Arlington is UT wins out, OU loses another, and OSU wins out.

If OU or OSU loses and we're in a 2 way tie with the other, we lose the tie. Need it to be a 3 way with OU/OSU (plus KU win vs Cincy), or 4 way with UT/OU/OSU, or both OU and OSU to go 6-3.
Pretty decent odds we get in this rough rider!
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: KITNfury on November 13, 2023, 07:22:34 AM
Gimme that menage :crossfingers:
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 13, 2023, 08:00:33 AM
It is insane we have a VERY legit shot at making it. Win out and it's almost a given
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spaces on November 13, 2023, 10:31:20 AM
KU losing @ Cincinnati is going to hurt bad.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 13, 2023, 10:35:51 AM
I'm pretty sure Texas will lose to Iowa State cause why not, and will make that mute
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 13, 2023, 10:38:15 AM
I'm pretty sure Texas will lose to Iowa State cause why not, and will make that mute

If ISU doesn't beat Texas, you can bet it will be in hilarious melt-down fashion which should at least take some of the sting out of it.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 13, 2023, 10:43:03 AM
Iowa state only wins when it helps no one, or ruins the season for the entire big 12
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2023, 11:23:27 AM
Iowa state only wins when it helps no one, or ruins the season for the entire big 12

very much
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 13, 2023, 11:25:51 AM
I mean beating Texas effectively knocks Texas out of the cfp for the big 12 (I'm reaching here)
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2023, 11:58:38 AM
I mean beating Texas effectively knocks Texas out of the cfp for the big 12 (I'm reaching here)

are you bonkers
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 13, 2023, 12:55:42 PM
got tix for that ISU game in MHK
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cats-aholic on November 13, 2023, 01:28:38 PM
Paraphrasing from something I saw on FB:

We're probably in if we win out and Texas wins out.
If ISU beats UT, we likely play OU in champ.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: ChiComCat on November 13, 2023, 01:35:41 PM
Are you sure we would win that 3-way tie? OSU beat us both.  I know it's convoluted but that seems wild.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 13, 2023, 01:36:14 PM
Winning a 3 way tie with OU and OSU is weird to me, since OSU beat us both. But we're going to have weird tiebreakers like that just about every year regardless since we have so many teams and no divisions.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 13, 2023, 01:37:52 PM
If OSU gets left out after beating head to head the two teams in the three way tie, the rule will get changed.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 13, 2023, 01:38:48 PM
Also, needing OSU to win out to be able to win a tiebreaker isn't all that comforting. I think we have about a 30% chance of making it, assuming we win out.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cats-aholic on November 13, 2023, 01:49:32 PM
Are you sure we would win that 3-way tie? OSU beat us both.  I know it's convoluted but that seems wild.

That's the way I understand it.  Because it is 3 teams, they throw out the head-to-head victories and just take the record against the next-highest ranked opponents (KU and ISU).

If I was a Cowboy, I'd be LIVID.  But I'm a 'Cat and hope it plays out that we get another shot at Texass.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 13, 2023, 01:51:12 PM
Are you sure we would win that 3-way tie? OSU beat us both.  I know it's convoluted but that seems wild.

That's the way I understand it.  Because it is 3 teams, they throw out the head-to-head victories and just take the record against the next-highest ranked opponents (KU and ISU).

If I was a Cowboy, I'd be LIVID.  But I'm a 'Cat and hope it plays out that we get another shot at Texass.

My understanding is that if we would have played OU, then OSU would be in due to head-to-head over both of us. But since we didn't play OU, they just skip right past that.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cats-aholic on November 13, 2023, 01:54:58 PM
Are you sure we would win that 3-way tie? OSU beat us both.  I know it's convoluted but that seems wild.

That's the way I understand it.  Because it is 3 teams, they throw out the head-to-head victories and just take the record against the next-highest ranked opponents (KU and ISU).

If I was a Cowboy, I'd be LIVID.  But I'm a 'Cat and hope it plays out that we get another shot at Texass.

My understanding is that if we would have played OU, then OSU would be in due to head-to-head over both of us. But since we didn't play OU, they just skip right past that.

^yes this is exactly correct.  I misspoke.

oSu reallllly crapped the bed on Saturday for themselves.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: deputy dawg on November 13, 2023, 02:49:46 PM
Are you sure we would win that 3-way tie? OSU beat us both.  I know it's convoluted but that seems wild.

That's the way I understand it.  Because it is 3 teams, they throw out the head-to-head victories and just take the record against the next-highest ranked opponents (KU and ISU).

If I was a Cowboy, I'd be LIVID.  But I'm a 'Cat and hope it plays out that we get another shot at Texass.

My understanding is that if we would have played OU, then OSU would be in due to head-to-head over both of us. But since we didn't play OU, they just skip right past that.

Read this on Facebook by some guy named Brian Boos.  The comments note that we have the best records against common opponents (KU, Iowa State, UCF), but we do need to win out. 
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 13, 2023, 03:02:54 PM
Winning a 3 way tie with OU and OSU is weird to me, since OSU beat us both. But we're going to have weird tiebreakers like that just about every year regardless since we have so many teams and no divisions.
probably discussed in the cigars thread but having a championship game in a conference without divisions is very dumb.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 13, 2023, 03:04:53 PM
Winning a 3 way tie with OU and OSU is weird to me, since OSU beat us both. But we're going to have weird tiebreakers like that just about every year regardless since we have so many teams and no divisions.
probably discussed in the cigars thread but having a championship game in a conference without divisions is very dumb.

I thought it was dumb when we had a 10 team round robin. It's not dumb when you don't play everyone.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 13, 2023, 03:31:49 PM
Does our champion get into the playoff automatically? I don't really see the downside to having it in the new era as long as the champion is an autobid.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 13, 2023, 03:40:18 PM

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got tix for that ISU game in MHK




I do too, except it's dated 2019.  :D
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 13, 2023, 04:46:37 PM
Yea it's true, however we want #2 to be true the most.

Absolutely!  If OP's #2 is true, Farmegedden becomes a conference championship semi final   :ksu:
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 13, 2023, 04:54:08 PM
When you have three teams tied with each other, the tiebreaker should definitely be their win pct against each other.  Lmao at whoever made these rules.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: bananaeater on November 13, 2023, 04:56:02 PM
When you have three teams tied with each other, the tiebreaker should definitely be their win pct against each other.  Lmao at whoever made these rules.
Except it's perfectly possible the three of them never played.  The tiebreaker makes sense.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 13, 2023, 05:08:33 PM
When you have three teams tied with each other, the tiebreaker should definitely be their win pct against each other.  Lmao at whoever made these rules.
Except it's perfectly possible the three of them never played.  The tiebreaker makes sense.

Then you go to the next rule dude
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 13, 2023, 05:32:20 PM
If we would've had both OU and OSU on the schedule, I think our team would've been more focused to try to get the fanbase Oklahoma state champ shirts and got a 2-0 sweep.

The fact we didn't have OU on the sched was part of why our team had a lackluster performance in Stillwater.

Glad the rule is thrown out due to that.

Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 13, 2023, 05:53:40 PM
I prefer a rule that benefits KSU.  This year the tiebreak rules are perfect.  Maybe they need to change next year, who knows?  We'll see, if we're in Oklahoma State's position next year then I'll be all for changing it.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 13, 2023, 05:58:45 PM
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 13, 2023, 06:03:07 PM
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once

Oh, my sweet summer child. Is getting to play every decent teams' backup QBs not enough for you?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 13, 2023, 06:04:10 PM
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once

Oh, my sweet summer child. Is getting to play every decent teams' backup QBs not enough for you?
NOT A RULE
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 13, 2023, 06:09:04 PM
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once

Oh, my sweet summer child. Is getting to play every decent teams' backup QBs not enough for you?
NOT A RULE

It is. Last year, it was coined the TCrUle.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2023, 06:13:03 PM
guys, spracne is right. once a team's QB goes down it's all over. can't win with a backup.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2023, 06:14:09 PM
(https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/ImRUULrGkaBwcdtQMrT7aL0Swkw=/960x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/3JYZ7JK35XHEJ5SXOZ2L373B3Q.jpg)
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 13, 2023, 06:20:45 PM
(https://bostonglobe-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/ImRUULrGkaBwcdtQMrT7aL0Swkw=/960x0/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/bostonglobe/3JYZ7JK35XHEJ5SXOZ2L373B3Q.jpg)

Well, your previous statement was proved wrong by this pic.  Will Howard was the backup and only came in after AM9 got hurt. LOL
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 13, 2023, 06:27:00 PM
boy do i feel silly
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 13, 2023, 06:37:17 PM
Katpappy is the reason for narrators in movies.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 13, 2023, 06:37:47 PM
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once

Oh, my sweet summer child. Is getting to play every decent teams' backup QBs not enough for you?

Hey let’s just cut the bullhockey and stop pretending. We all know the plan all along has been to sandbag Jailin the whole season leading up to the Sunflower Showdown presented by Dillon’s. He has had exactly one job and that is to study ksucatsu filme all day erryday in preparation for this Saturday’s matchup on the gridiron (and by not playing it saves double duty of keeping the available film on him to a minimum)
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 13, 2023, 06:41:03 PM
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once

Oh, my sweet summer child. Is getting to play every decent teams' backup QBs not enough for you?

Hey let’s just cut the bullhockey and stop pretending. We all know the plan all along has been to sandbag Jailin the whole season leading up to the Sunflower Showdown presented by Dillon’s. He has had exactly one job and that is to study ksucatsu filme all day erryday in preparation for this Saturday’s matchup on the gridiron (and by not playing it saves double duty of keeping the available film on him to a minimum)

AND he can still play this weekend while preserving his red shirt before transferring to USC. V smart.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: ben ji on November 13, 2023, 07:04:20 PM
Honestly KSU is the best chance the Hateful8 have for a non OUT big12 champion in their last year so I expect everything to fall into place and get us in the big12 championship game.

The only issue is I could see the suckclones doing sucklones things and beating Texas this weekend and making some convoluted 4 way tie where we get left out.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 13, 2023, 07:33:18 PM
boy do i feel silly

It would have worked better if you had just one post with comment and pic.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 13, 2023, 07:58:09 PM
It’d be nice to be on the long side of a shitty rule for once

Oh, my sweet summer child. Is getting to play every decent teams' backup QBs not enough for you?

Hey let’s just cut the bullhockey and stop pretending. We all know the plan all along has been to sandbag Jailin the whole season leading up to the Sunflower Showdown presented by Dillon’s. He has had exactly one job and that is to study ksucatsu filme all day erryday in preparation for this Saturday’s matchup on the gridiron (and by not playing it saves double duty of keeping the available film on him to a minimum)

AND he can still play this weekend while preserving his red shirt before transferring to USC. V smart.

It’s 5D chess checkmate
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 14, 2023, 11:32:21 AM
Honestly KSU is the best chance the Hateful8 have for a non OUT big12 champion in their last year so I expect everything to fall into place and get us in the big12 championship game.

The only issue is I could see the suckclones doing sucklones things and beating Texas this weekend and making some convoluted 4 way tie where we get left out.

That's not an issue, that's exactly what we want.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 14, 2023, 03:08:17 PM
https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1724527640642490714

Maybe not anymore. This will have to go to a vote by the AD's right?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: bananaeater on November 14, 2023, 03:32:01 PM
https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1724527640642490714?s=20

Maybe not anymore. This will have to go to a vote by the AD's right?
I don't understand any more.  The conference is "clarifying" the rules tomorrow after clarifying a couple of days ago that the cats would win a three way tie with the Oklahoma schools?  Are they clarifying for this season or for next?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 14, 2023, 03:38:15 PM
What incentive do they have to change the rules mid season? Seems like the current fiasco drives way more interest in the last two weeks of games instead of making them meaningless.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 14, 2023, 03:38:42 PM
Yeah, like, IMO changing the rulings mid season is ridiculous, even if it were to help us, those are the terms, you have to agree with them and move on. Alter after the season.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cats-aholic on November 14, 2023, 05:03:52 PM
I sure would've liked someone to change the rough ridin' rules right away in 1998 after they realized they screwed us over...

There's no way anyone in their right mind thinks oSu has a better chance at beating Texass right now after being blown tf out by CENTRAL FLORIDA?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 14, 2023, 05:11:08 PM
Yeah, like, IMO changing the rulings mid season is ridiculous, even if it were to help us, those are the terms, you have to agree with them and move on. Alter after the season.

It would obviously suck for us, but it’s not ridiculous
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 14, 2023, 05:16:45 PM
it would seem only oSu and UT would stand to gain anything by this mid-season rule change, and nobody gives a flying eff about oSu so i'm guessing Del Conte is driving this thing.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2023, 06:44:37 PM
https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1724527640642490714?s=20

Maybe not anymore. This will have to go to a vote by the AD's right?
Two things
1. I don't know what the hell Tramel is talking about. He's mentioning "rules clarification" but didn't provide anything attributable and there's nothing new on the Big 12 website stating a change. The one specific tie breaking scenario he's talking about is very clear and doesn't need clarification. The first tie breaker in a three way should state "if team A has conference wins against team B and team C, team A will represent the conference in the championship game." It does not say that, what it says is clear even though Oklahoma State people, rightfully, don't like it. There's no shot they're changing the tie breaking procedure now, maybe, probably in the off season, but not now. Only OSU would benefit from that, there are literally 5 other schools would be like, nah.
2. If you MFers don't start changing the x to the word twitter when you post URLs I'm gonna put icy hot in your boxers.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 14, 2023, 06:46:34 PM
https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1724527640642490714?s=20

Maybe not anymore. This will have to go to a vote by the AD's right?

2. If you MFers don't start changing the x to the word twitter when you post URLs I'm gonna put icy hot in your boxers.

:lol: Word, though. Or make these lazy admins get off their Lululemon lifestyles and make a very simple fix. Cowards!!
Title: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 14, 2023, 06:48:31 PM
https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1724527640642490714?s=20

Maybe not anymore. This will have to go to a vote by the AD's right?
gonna put icy hot in your boxers.

Someone on my Italy baseball trip in high school did this to one of the guys on the team the day we were leaving to come home. It was a whole thing.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 14, 2023, 06:53:17 PM
https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1724527640642490714?s=20

Maybe not anymore. This will have to go to a vote by the AD's right?

2. If you MFers don't start changing the x to the word twitter when you post URLs I'm gonna put icy hot in your boxers.

:lol: Word, though. Or make these lazy admins get off their Lululemon lifestyles and make a very simple fix. Cowards!!

Mods are playing the long game that the name eventually reverts back to twitter.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 14, 2023, 07:08:47 PM
https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1724527640642490714?s=20

Maybe not anymore. This will have to go to a vote by the AD's right?

2. If you MFers don't start changing the x to the word twitter when you post URLs I'm gonna put icy hot in your boxers.

:lol: Word, though. Or make these lazy admins get off their Lululemon lifestyles and make a very simple fix. Cowards!!

Mods are playing the long game that the name eventually reverts back to twitter.
Saul isn’t walking back through that door.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 14, 2023, 08:02:42 PM
Happy? Well I guess not... still takes too long to load for some reason....
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 14, 2023, 08:21:37 PM
https://x.com/KellisRobinett/status/1724527640642490714?s=20

Maybe not anymore. This will have to go to a vote by the AD's right?
Two things
1. I don't know what the hell Tramel is talking about. He's mentioning "rules clarification" but didn't provide anything attributable and there's nothing new on the Big 12 website stating a change. The one specific tie breaking scenario he's talking about is very clear and doesn't need clarification. The first tie breaker in a three way should state "if team A has conference wins against team B and team C, team A will represent the conference in the championship game." It does not say that, what it says is clear even though Oklahoma State people, rightfully, don't like it. There's no shot they're changing the tie breaking procedure now, maybe, probably in the off season, but not now. Only OSU would benefit from that, there are literally 5 other schools would be like, nah.
2. If you MFers don't start changing the x to the word twitter when you post URLs I'm gonna put icy hot in your boxers.

Absolutely, Trammel is click baiting and Kellis bit; they're not going to change the rule tomorrow, especially since another OSU loss makes all the backlash from changing a rule 80% through the season unnecessary
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 14, 2023, 08:24:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1724563230201160040?t=CRPBYs5kWff3KdG77GZSfg
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 14, 2023, 09:05:10 PM
 Man, there's a lot of smoke about a rule change rather than a "clarification",   :horrorsurprise:

but it all still goes back to Tramel who's original "scoop" appears to be weakly sourced.

Also, if 'clarified' what do sportsbooks do with bets on championship game odds based on the 'unclarified' rules?

 
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 14, 2023, 09:29:17 PM
So we do not have a shot?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2023, 09:37:02 PM
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1724563230201160040?t=CRPBYs5kWff3KdG77GZSfg

Am I crazy or do his last two sentences contradict each other? Does his source think that the other ADs are going to be okay with the change no change? Is his source Chad Weiberg?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 14, 2023, 09:37:19 PM
So we do not have a shot?
It's looking a lot bleaker
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 14, 2023, 09:38:50 PM
I don't really know his standing in the journalist community but isn't he an OSU grad?  It's kind of hard to take anything he says around this topic too seriously given that fact.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2023, 09:41:50 PM
So we do not have a shot?

We have a great shot, as do all the two loss teams. The metrics have us at about 33% to the CCG.

I'm guessing that K-State and all the other two loss teams aren't distracted by this, can't say the same about Oklahoma State. I don't know if it's Gundy or Weiberg going on the PR campaign about this, but they need to chill. There are 14 conference games left and nearly all of them will have a direct impact on this race with every result clarifying the mess and eliminating possibilities, seems very weird for them to be crowing about this and getting it on the minds of their players, right now.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Hurricane Cat on November 14, 2023, 10:15:06 PM

lol, Fitz not missing his opportunity to whine

https://x.com/LifeofFitz/status/1724637163042570749?s=20

Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 14, 2023, 10:17:05 PM
They haven't ever rough ridin' done anything yet, sheesh. K-State media melting down about this is so soft.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: stunted on November 14, 2023, 11:44:09 PM
head-to-head does mean something, but it's just one game and a team's full resume is a lot more telling. yea we played as bad as possible vs osu and they barely squeaked by, but we also didn't lose 3-45 to ucf.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 15, 2023, 12:10:24 AM

lol, Fitz not missing his opportunity to whine

https://x.com/LifeofFitz/status/1724637163042570749?s=20
This isn’t loading so no idea what this is about.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: PurpleOil on November 15, 2023, 08:15:04 AM
They haven't ever rough ridin' done anything yet, sheesh. K-State media melting down about this is so soft.


Uh... first time dealing with Fitz?


head-to-head does mean something, but it's just one game and a team's full resume is a lot more telling. yea we played as bad as possible vs osu and they barely squeaked by, but we also didn't lose 3-45 to ucf.


This is where I'm at as well. All our losses were very close losses to teams that we now know are pretty good. OSU has two really bad losses on its resume that never should have happened.

I also agree with MIR in that I don't understand why the Big XII would announce a rule change now with so many games left to play. We have no idea how this is going to shake out and making a rule change for a scenario that has a strong possibility of not even happening makes no sense. I don't understand where all this smoke is coming from. If they were going to "clarify" wouldn't it make more sense to have that announcement ready to go, but keep it under wraps until the regular season is over? Then announce it on Sunday after everyone is finished?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 15, 2023, 08:58:53 AM
They have to clarify now because schools & journalists are asking.  The Big12 hasn’t said anything officially, but they definitely have to be working on it now & it got leaked.

I’m at the point right now that I don’t think they’ve decided anything, but someone said some placating words to OSU to hold them off & they ran to Tramel/McMurphy with it. I don’t see how anyone in the Big12 office even has the authority to change the rules.  However, as K-State, if they are trying it I’m happy to know now so I can get my lawyers working on it now.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MadCat on November 15, 2023, 09:05:19 AM
I may be biased, but I think the tie breaker should default to K-State in every instance
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: chum1 on November 15, 2023, 09:11:08 AM
I do think it's clearly wrong to change the rule mid season, but I also really hate agreeing with super cringey K-State twitter.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 15, 2023, 09:19:08 AM
I do think it's clearly wrong to change the rule mid season, but I also really hate agreeing with super cringey K-State twitter.

You have to use the mute button.
Title: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 15, 2023, 09:30:12 AM
I do think it's clearly wrong to change the rule mid season, but I also really hate agreeing with super cringey K-State twitter.
It seems like clearly no way they’d do it. I’m curious where the smoke is coming from, but it’s hard to take seriously.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 15, 2023, 09:41:09 AM
They have to clarify now because schools & journalists are asking.

This is the biggest part I don't get about the whole story. The tiebreaker rule isn't vague at all. It clearly says if the tied teams haven't all played each other then you go to the next step. What would have prompted the questions in the first place?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: GregKSU1027 on November 15, 2023, 09:49:29 AM
They have to clarify now because schools & journalists are asking.

This is the biggest part I don't get about the whole story. The tiebreaker rule isn't vague at all. It clearly says if the tied teams haven't all played each other then you go to the next step. What would have prompted the questions in the first place?
Okie Lite getting screwed over because if it was the H2H format they are at the top.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: PurpleOil on November 15, 2023, 09:50:32 AM
They have to clarify now because schools & journalists are asking.

This is the biggest part I don't get about the whole story. The tiebreaker rule isn't vague at all. It clearly says if the tied teams haven't all played each other then you go to the next step. What would have prompted the questions in the first place?

OSU beating both teams they are tied with in head to head matchups.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 15, 2023, 09:55:43 AM
They have to clarify now because schools & journalists are asking.

This is the biggest part I don't get about the whole story. The tiebreaker rule isn't vague at all. It clearly says if the tied teams haven't all played each other then you go to the next step. What would have prompted the questions in the first place?

The extra comma that’s a typo. That rule is lifted word-for-word from the PAC-12, except they don’t have the extra comma. Somewhere between lifting it from the PAC-12 and the publishing of the Big12 website that comma got added. The question is when it got added.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 15, 2023, 10:02:30 AM
They have to clarify now because schools & journalists are asking.

This is the biggest part I don't get about the whole story. The tiebreaker rule isn't vague at all. It clearly says if the tied teams haven't all played each other then you go to the next step. What would have prompted the questions in the first place?
Okie Lite getting screwed over because if it was the H2H format they are at the top.
I get that, but that has nothing to do with the clarity of the rule. The question would be more like “hey are you guys thinking of changing this cause it doesn’t seem very fair.”

The extra comma is weird but inconsequential. There isn’t a way to read the rule where the comma changes the meaning.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: yoga-like_abana on November 15, 2023, 11:07:24 AM
I'd like our cats to get another shot at Texas  :whornsdown:
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 15, 2023, 11:54:04 AM
I'd like our cats to get another shot at Texas  :whornsdown:

That's all I want, and I think we'd defend the conference's honor the best out of all other teams
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 15, 2023, 01:33:30 PM
Only way we are getting in now is both Oklahoma schools lose another one and we win out I think
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 15, 2023, 01:47:39 PM
They have to clarify now because schools & journalists are asking.  The Big12 hasn’t said anything officially, but they definitely have to be working on it now & it got leaked.

I’m at the point right now that I don’t think they’ve decided anything, but someone said some placating words to OSU to hold them off & they ran to Tramel/McMurphy with it. I don’t see how anyone in the Big12 office even has the authority to change the rules.  However, as K-State, if they are trying it I’m happy to know now so I can get my lawyers working on it now.

They don't have to do crap, and if they do at this point in the season, it will reek of impropriety and corruption. Would be a horrible look for an organization.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 15, 2023, 01:48:42 PM
They have already done it
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 15, 2023, 02:29:51 PM
They have already done it

As of 30 seconds ago they haven't announced anything, nor have they changed the procedure that's currently listed on the website.
https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx
I know this is hard for K-State fans and media but I'll actually wait to freakout until I'm given reason to. I still won't freak out though.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 15, 2023, 02:34:25 PM
They have already done it

As of 30 seconds ago they haven't announced anything, nor have they changed the procedure that's currently listed on the website.
https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx
I know this is hard for K-State fans and media but I'll actually wait to freakout until I'm given reason to. I still won't freak out though.

They already had the meeting and the outcome is decided, it will be released today. 
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 15, 2023, 02:35:37 PM
You can’t change tiebreaker rules midseason, it’s in the Geneva convention
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 15, 2023, 02:40:46 PM
They have already done it

As of 30 seconds ago they haven't announced anything, nor have they changed the procedure that's currently listed on the website.
https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx
I know this is hard for K-State fans and media but I'll actually wait to freakout until I'm given reason to. I still won't freak out though.

They already had the meeting and the outcome is decided, it will be released today.

Well, if this is the case and the ADs and/or the BOGs agreed to it, I'd hope that the meltdown would stop. Who the eff am I kidding though?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: bshea85 on November 15, 2023, 02:41:29 PM
They have to clarify now because schools & journalists are asking.

This is the biggest part I don't get about the whole story. The tiebreaker rule isn't vague at all. It clearly says if the tied teams haven't all played each other then you go to the next step. What would have prompted the questions in the first place?
Okie Lite getting screwed over because if it was the H2H format they are at the top.
I get that, but that has nothing to do with the clarity of the rule. The question would be more like “hey are you guys thinking of changing this cause it doesn’t seem very fair.”

The extra comma is weird but inconsequential. There isn’t a way to read the rule where the comma changes the meaning.

I did not go to law school to know how consequential a comma can be.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cats-aholic on November 15, 2023, 02:45:06 PM
Considering OkState is probably not going 2-0 to end the season, this is all going to be moot and the 'ship will be OU vs. Texas.  They are going to be chanting S-E-C in Arlington...
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 15, 2023, 02:48:43 PM
Considering OkState is probably not going 2-0 to end the season, this is all going to be moot and the 'ship will be OU vs. Texas.  They are going to be chanting S-E-C in Arlington...

Yes on the first part, but I also don't think that OU and UT will both win their last two games.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: steve dave on November 15, 2023, 02:58:31 PM
I made this meme on twitter about it the other day. pound that like and subscribe button.

https://twitter.com/stevedaveKSU/status/1723782294475866411
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: PurpleOil on November 15, 2023, 03:40:22 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's money
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: PurpleOil on November 15, 2023, 03:43:39 PM
Considering OkState is probably not going 2-0 to end the season, this is all going to be moot and the 'ship will be OU vs. Texas.  They are going to be chanting S-E-C in Arlington...

Yes on the first part, but I also don't think that OU and UT will both win their last two games.

Both the Oklahoma schools have very easy games to end the season. UT is really the only one on upset alert. Where do you see the red dirt teams failing?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 15, 2023, 03:47:20 PM
OSU just got torched by 40 points against a team that was 1-5 in the league.  I think you can take your pick on which game they could definitely lose.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 15, 2023, 04:01:28 PM
Does OSU losing even gain us anything? I think we have to have OU lose too, and I really wouldn't want OSU to lose at this point to essentially have a Texas/OU champ game.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 15, 2023, 04:12:28 PM
Does OSU losing even gain us anything? I think we have to have OU lose too, and I really wouldn't want OSU to lose at this point to essentially have a Texas/OU champ game.

I see OU vs UT as nearly inevitable now.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 15, 2023, 04:32:25 PM
Considering OkState is probably not going 2-0 to end the season, this is all going to be moot and the 'ship will be OU vs. Texas.  They are going to be chanting S-E-C in Arlington...

Yes on the first part, but I also don't think that OU and UT will both win their last two games.

Both the Oklahoma schools have very easy games to end the season. UT is really the only one on upset alert. Where do you see the red dirt teams failing?

Ion know what you've been watching the last month, but none of these teams have very easy games to end the season. Texas, K-State, and Iowa State seem, right now, to be the only teams capable of easily handling shitty teams and none of those three finish with shitty teams.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 15, 2023, 04:34:40 PM
This is hilarious. She's pretty easily the best tweeter of the hyper online K-State twitterazzi
https://twitter.com/alison_renner/status/1724773272913322449
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: bananaeater on November 15, 2023, 05:12:58 PM
They have already done it

As of 30 seconds ago they haven't announced anything, nor have they changed the procedure that's currently listed on the website.
https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx
I know this is hard for K-State fans and media but I'll actually wait to freakout until I'm given reason to. I still won't freak out though.

They already had the meeting and the outcome is decided, it will be released today.

Well, if this is the case and the ADs and/or the BOGs agreed to it, I'd hope that the meltdown would stop. Who the eff am I kidding though?
So, has there been anything official from the big12 or still speculation?  I can't figure out if we're still mad about tramel's article or some official word from the conference.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 15, 2023, 05:16:07 PM
They have already done it

As of 30 seconds ago they haven't announced anything, nor have they changed the procedure that's currently listed on the website.
https://big12sports.com/news/2008/7/31/1546006.aspx
I know this is hard for K-State fans and media but I'll actually wait to freakout until I'm given reason to. I still won't freak out though.

They already had the meeting and the outcome is decided, it will be released today.

Well, if this is the case and the ADs and/or the BOGs agreed to it, I'd hope that the meltdown would stop. Who the eff am I kidding though?
So, has there been anything official from the big12 or still speculation?  I can't figure out if we're still mad about tramel's article or some official word from the conference.

The Big12 emailed it out to reporters this afternoon.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Winters on November 15, 2023, 05:18:45 PM
Cowards
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 15, 2023, 05:21:30 PM
fire yormak
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 15, 2023, 05:26:34 PM
This is hilarious. She's pretty easily the best tweeter of the hyper online K-State twitterazzi
https://twitter.com/alison_renner/status/1724773272913322449

She's the only one I can semi handle. There are also some other reasons behind that too
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: PurpleOil on November 15, 2023, 05:39:20 PM
This is hilarious. She's pretty easily the best tweeter of the hyper online K-State twitterazzi
https://twitter.com/alison_renner/status/1724773272913322449

Oh wow, I'm not on twitter but I know her IRL.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 15, 2023, 06:26:34 PM
I’ll tell ya who really stands to gain something here it’s those Jayhawks. If we are apathetic now that the champy game is basically out of reach it really opens the door for the hawks to end The Streak
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 15, 2023, 09:14:16 PM
It’s baffling how this whole tiebreaker thing has been handled. Why would a statement be released only to reporters and not published on the Big 12’s website?

And the statement partially recited on si.com says the rules aren’t being changed, which also makes no sense in this context. Is that because they didn’t want to submit it to a vote?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 15, 2023, 11:08:06 PM
11:07 PM and the rules on the website still haven't been changed.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on November 16, 2023, 07:51:10 AM
From a legal perspective, it is not a clarification but a change. The stupider course of action is to try to pretend it's a clarification instead of admitting it's a change. The Big XII chose to take the stupider route here.

But if I had to argue the Big XII's position in court, I would point to the comma and say the rule is legal gibberish as written, so some clarification is required. The Commissioner is authorized to clarify the rules. That's what he did.

It's just the intent of the rule was clear even if it was poorly drafted, and the "clarification" completely changed the intent of the rule.

Oh well.
Title: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 16, 2023, 08:24:11 AM
It’s a fireable offense if the commissioner does that. The conference can recover from a stupid rule that fucks over an existing member and gets changed in the off-season. I’m not sure it can recover from very clearly changing a rule in the middle of the year without a vote of members.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: stunted on November 16, 2023, 08:34:15 AM
we'll just need to smoke ku and isu to make the big 12 look really stupid.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 16, 2023, 08:37:49 AM
It’s a fireable offense if the commissioner does that. The conference can recover from a stupid rule that fucks over an existing member and gets changed in the off-season. I’m not sure it can recover from very clearly changing a rule in the middle of the year without a vote of members.

I do think there is a decent chance Scott Draper gets moved on for this
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 16, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
I do enjoy though how it too less than a season after we go to more that 10 teams that our convoluted rules for determining who the eff makes it to the CCG gets trucked by reality. Next year will be even more fun.

Imagine the big 10 with 18 teams, there will be legit opportunities for multiple conference undefeated teams.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: deputy dawg on November 16, 2023, 08:57:18 AM
Looking at the conference web site, I don't see any reference to clarification regarding CCG play.  Did the "clarification" get released somewhere else where one could see exactly what it says?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: PurpleOil on November 16, 2023, 09:01:44 AM
It would be very Big XII like to leak this to the media to gauge the reaction and then seeing it explode like this, walk back and be all "just kidding as we never changed the website".
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: deputy dawg on November 16, 2023, 09:05:41 AM
I think this is a product of Okie lite's belief that they are now king of the conference.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 16, 2023, 09:06:31 AM
Looking at the conference web site, I don't see any reference to clarification regarding CCG play.  Did the "clarification" get released somewhere else where one could see exactly what it says?
That’s the weirdest part. Semi reputable reporters have said they received a statement, but even they haven’t published it as far as I know.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 16, 2023, 09:11:11 AM
It would be very Big XII like to leak this to the media to gauge the reaction and then seeing it explode like this, walk back and be all "just kidding as we never changed the website".
This has to be a part of it. I’d also guess they grossly overestimated how receptive members would be on the Wednesday call and are now begging the disinterested members to sign off on the change before they say anything publicly.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 16, 2023, 09:14:28 AM
Looking at the conference web site, I don't see any reference to clarification regarding CCG play.  Did the "clarification" get released somewhere else where one could see exactly what it says?
That’s the weirdest part. Semi reputable reporters have said they received a statement, but even they haven’t published it as far as I know.

It’s chickenshit they’ve only emailed it out & didn’t do their normal press release process.

This tweet has a screen shot of the email to reporters.

https://twitter.com/glenn_kinley/status/1724908858601259426?s=46&t=ErlGZadBqbmnPNUCBSgcPA
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 16, 2023, 09:18:54 AM
From a legal perspective, it is not a clarification but a change. The stupider course of action is to try to pretend it's a clarification instead of admitting it's a change. The Big XII chose to take the stupider route here.

But if I had to argue the Big XII's position in court, I would point to the comma and say the rule is legal gibberish as written, so some clarification is required. The Commissioner is authorized to clarify the rules. That's what he did.

It's just the intent of the rule was clear even if it was poorly drafted, and the "clarification" completely changed the intent of the rule.

Oh well.

It’s pretty clear that they lifted the rule from the PAC-12 and the comma was put in as a typo. I still wish someone would try to FOIA communications between a school & the Big12 office to see if there’s an email/communication that contains the proposed rule during the rule voting process to see if the typo is actually in the rule or if it’s just a typo on the website.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 16, 2023, 09:22:03 AM
Looking at the conference web site, I don't see any reference to clarification regarding CCG play.  Did the "clarification" get released somewhere else where one could see exactly what it says?
That’s the weirdest part. Semi reputable reporters have said they received a statement, but even they haven’t published it as far as I know.

It’s chickenshit they’ve only emailed it out & didn’t do their normal press release process.

This tweet has a screen shot of the email to reporters.

https://twitter.com/glenn_kinley/status/1724908858601259426?s=46&t=ErlGZadBqbmnPNUCBSgcPA

So yeah, like MIR said: If that's the whole statement then how delightfully ironic that the two-sentence clarification contradicts itself.

Unless the real Big 12 tiebreaker rules are written on the back of the Declaration of Independence or something then that is very obviously not the tiebreaker rule.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 16, 2023, 09:23:02 AM
What legal recourse would we have?  It seems like a bad long term play to engage in that.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 16, 2023, 09:28:18 AM
From a legal perspective, it is not a clarification but a change. The stupider course of action is to try to pretend it's a clarification instead of admitting it's a change. The Big XII chose to take the stupider route here.

But if I had to argue the Big XII's position in court, I would point to the comma and say the rule is legal gibberish as written, so some clarification is required. The Commissioner is authorized to clarify the rules. That's what he did.

It's just the intent of the rule was clear even if it was poorly drafted, and the "clarification" completely changed the intent of the rule.

Oh well.

It’s pretty clear that they lifted the rule from the PAC-12 and the comma was put in as a typo. I still wish someone would try to FOIA communications between a school & the Big12 office to see if there’s an email/communication that contains the proposed rule during the rule voting process to see if the typo is actually in the rule or if it’s just a typo on the website.

The comma is irrelevant unless there is a way to read the rule WITH the comma that accounts for one member in a multi-team tie winning the tie breaker by virtue of beating the other members in the tie.

At best, I can think of two interpretations:
1. If not every tied team has played each other, go to step 2. [PRETTY CLOSE!]
2. "So step 1 we look at the head-to-head win percentage among the tied teams. But hell, if you don't do that it must mean every team has played each other so this probably won't work, go to step 2." [Nonsense]

Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 16, 2023, 09:30:37 AM
What legal recourse would we have?  It seems like a bad long term play to engage in that.

I don't know how you find the full rules, but I'm guessing there is a mechanism for arbitration challenging a commissioner's application of the rules similar to the NFL. I don't think it would be crazy at all. You wouldn't be burning a bridge, you'd actually be preserving some semblance of the conference actually having enforceable rules--even if you lost.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 16, 2023, 09:35:28 AM
1. I think knowing the history of the rule, where it was copied from & the intent of the rule without the typo has some value. The Big12 looked at the Pac-12, knew the intent of the rule when they lifted it from the PAC-12 & knows this clarification is the opposite of the intended rule they sought when they lifted it.
2. Knowing it’s a typo, I want to know when the typo was made. The typo on the website is irrelevant if it was made in the web design process & it’s only on the website. There’s a chance it’s not even in the official rules that were voted on.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 16, 2023, 09:41:28 AM
So get an injunction to force the championship game to be postponed? Like what outcome could we possibly hope to achieve here. 
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 16, 2023, 09:49:38 AM
if we end up in a 3 way tie for 2nd place and don't make the ccg, nothing is stopping us from hanging a 2023 b12 champs flag
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 16, 2023, 10:01:01 AM
So get an injunction to force the championship game to be postponed? Like what outcome could we possibly hope to achieve here.

At this point I’m just fan-fictioning what I hope Gene would have said yesterday morning. I also want him to come out & put out a statement that says it’s obvious the conference is lying about the clarification/change because of these data points & also tries to shame his fellow ADs for allowing a change to the rules to happen with 75% of the conference season done while he was taking the bullet for them by being on the playoff committee, but I know he won’t.

Basically I’m posting through it.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 16, 2023, 10:22:22 AM
So get an injunction to force the championship game to be postponed? Like what outcome could we possibly hope to achieve here.

There's no reason the issue couldn't be resolved within like 5 days by a neutral arbitrator. It's only two issues: (1) does the commissioner's office have authority to change a tiebreaker procedure midseason, and (2) would it be a change of the tiebreaker rules to have the head-to-head winner advance out of step 1 if the tied teams haven't all played each other.

Maybe the rules require a longer dispute resolution procedure, but I'd expect they would be prepared to address crap pretty quickly.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 16, 2023, 10:22:40 AM
if we end up in a 3 way tie for 2nd place and don't make the ccg, nothing is stopping us from hanging a 2023 b12 champs flag

^gd right
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 16, 2023, 10:26:20 AM
So get an injunction to force the championship game to be postponed? Like what outcome could we possibly hope to achieve here.

At this point I’m just fan-fictioning what I hope Gene would have said yesterday morning. I also want him to come out & put out a statement that says it’s obvious the conference is lying about the clarification/change because of these data points & also tries to shame his fellow ADs for allowing a change to the rules to happen with 75% of the conference season done while he was taking the bullet for them by being on the playoff committee, but I know he won’t.

Basically I’m posting through it.

If Gene was the only person opposed to the "clarification" I think the Big 12 would already have formally announced it and Gene wouldn't say anything. I just think a lot of the members realize how bad this would look and they can't get anything close to a unanimous vote of the non-interested members.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 16, 2023, 10:27:28 AM
if we end up in a 3 way tie for 2nd place and don't make the ccg, nothing is stopping us from hanging a 2023 b12 champs flag

^gd right

Would be more legitimate than the Best Big12 Pregame & #1 College Town banners
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 16, 2023, 04:35:53 PM
So get an injunction to force the championship game to be postponed? Like what outcome could we possibly hope to achieve here.

There's no reason the issue couldn't be resolved within like 5 days by a neutral arbitrator. It's only two issues: (1) does the commissioner's office have authority to change a tiebreaker procedure midseason, and (2) would it be a change of the tiebreaker rules to have the head-to-head winner advance out of step 1 if the tied teams haven't all played each other.

Maybe the rules require a longer dispute resolution procedure, but I'd expect they would be prepared to address crap pretty quickly.

I sincerely hope we don't even give a solitary thought of litigating this, at all, it's super losery.

That being said, the more I think about this the more I think that the *new* tiebreaker protocol actually doesn't make sense. Yes, Oklahoma State beat K-State and OU but they also didn't have to play Texas. OSU got to play all four new teams. The rule was written the way it was to account for unbalanced schedules. OSU is being rewarded for playing a crap schedule and losing to an objectively bad team
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 16, 2023, 05:17:29 PM
I still think OSU drops another one anyway
Title: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 16, 2023, 05:18:58 PM
Losery is changing a rule mid-season because you’re embarrassed about how it shakes out and then lying about changing it because you’re embarrassed you changed it mid season.

Again, I personally don’t even think it would be important to litigate the rule for the sake of having a shot at the CCG. I think it is important to establish that the conference actually follows it’s own procedures.

I don’t think I’m alone either, or else why wouldn’t they just have a vote of disinterested members?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 16, 2023, 05:35:39 PM
if we end up in a 3 way tie for 2nd place and don't make the ccg, nothing is stopping us from hanging a 2023 b12 champs flag

Too A&M for me tbh
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 16, 2023, 05:37:14 PM
Like if we did 2013 BIG 12 CHAMPS*

*(Due to a midseason rule change technicality)

I'd probably enjoy that and laugh at it every time I see it.

Oh well, hope OU and OSU lose this weekend, w/e
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 16, 2023, 05:40:30 PM
I sincerely hope that things resolve such that this tie breaker situation isn't outcome determinative. If KSU gets screwed, well, it happens. But trying to claim champs anyway? He's right that that's losery. And I would say the same to the dumb KU fans who think we should hang a banner for 2020 because COVID-19 caused the tournament to be cancelled and we were ranked #1 overall.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 16, 2023, 05:56:56 PM
Personally, I would like to go to the Dr. Pepper this year. I wanted to go last year but I was traveling back to TX and I was still sick enough it probably wouldn’t have been feasible.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: deputy dawg on November 16, 2023, 07:01:27 PM
FWIW, if the season ended today, I think Okie lite would deserve to go to the CCG.  They beat us head to head, and their crappy losses are a rationalization for us to go instead.  That being said, there are still two games left....
Title: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: pissclams on November 16, 2023, 07:11:06 PM
the thought of okie light sipping dr pepper from the golden chalice directly after us makes me sick and they don’t deserve to
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 16, 2023, 07:54:24 PM
the thought of okie light sipping dr pepper from the golden chalice directly after us makes me sick and they don’t deserve to

Mike Grundy would not only insist on taking the first sip but he would leave a mullet hair floating in there and completely on purpose bc he’s Just Like That
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 16, 2023, 07:58:33 PM
Personally, I would like to go to the Dr. Pepper this year. I wanted to go last year but I was traveling back to TX and I was still sick enough it probably wouldn’t have been feasible.

Still a chance, I wanted to cause we're good enough, and I also wanted to cause speak of a banner, we could claim we won the big 12 in every iteration of it.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: pissclams on November 16, 2023, 08:14:23 PM
the thought of okie light sipping dr pepper from the golden chalice directly after us makes me sick and they don’t deserve to

Mike Grundy would not only insist on taking the first sip but he would leave a mullet hair floating in there and completely on purpose bc he’s Just Like That
he’d probably leave a pubic hair because if i’m being honest he looks like he eats half his meals at the Y
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: deputy dawg on November 16, 2023, 08:20:34 PM
Quote
he’d probably leave a pubic hair because if i’m being honest he looks like he eats half his meals at the Y

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 17, 2023, 12:00:27 AM
the thought of okie light sipping dr pepper from the golden chalice directly after us makes me sick and they don’t deserve to

Mike Grundy would not only insist on taking the first sip but he would leave a mullet hair floating in there and completely on purpose bc he’s Just Like That
he’d probably leave a pubic hair because if i’m being honest he looks like he eats half his meals at the Y

OhMmmmmGeee :lol:
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 18, 2023, 11:38:34 AM
Huge BYU fan rn
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: nicname on November 18, 2023, 12:04:28 PM
Huge BYU fan rn

I don't think it's possible for me to root against them when they're wearing those beautiful royal blue home uniforms. I mean, unless they're playing our Cats of course, but then I'd just be rooting for KSU not against the Cougs.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2023, 01:14:08 PM
GOLD TABLETS FOR EVERYONE IF BYU PULLS THIS OFF!
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2023, 01:14:50 PM
SECRET GOLD TABLET LOCALES WILL BE REVEALED!
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 18, 2023, 01:18:33 PM
SECRET GOLD TABLET LOCALES WILL BE REVEALED!

I'm not sure it's worth it to go to Independence, MO to collect my iPad.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2023, 01:19:37 PM
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Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2023, 01:22:09 PM
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Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 18, 2023, 01:26:30 PM
What a reversal of fortunes in the BYU/OU game. I thought OU was cooked. But I thought too Soon.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 18, 2023, 01:28:40 PM
Yeah, that was devastating
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: nicname on November 18, 2023, 01:29:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xKBsYVCdDk
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: nicname on November 18, 2023, 01:29:54 PM
Nice job Mormons. oof
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: nicname on November 18, 2023, 01:31:02 PM
@Pete

which AI art creator are you using? it looks very fun
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 18, 2023, 01:31:08 PM
Not even able to watch to see the replay but why wouldn't you rush from the 2 on first down
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2023, 01:31:46 PM
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Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2023, 01:32:51 PM
@Pete

which AI art creator are you using? it looks very fun
Chatgpt with the subscription.  It won’t let you use real people, brand names, organizations or patently controversial stuff. So, you have to work around it
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2023, 02:00:22 PM
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Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: pissclams on November 18, 2023, 02:13:05 PM
at this point, I cannot root for byu.  they deserve to lose every game forever after how they’ve shot themselves in the foot today
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2023, 02:34:06 PM
Yep. The Lord has passed judgment on their heresy and ineptitude.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 18, 2023, 02:57:10 PM
at this point, I cannot root for byu.  they deserve to lose every game forever after how they’ve shot themselves in the foot today
It’s really hard for bad teams to win games
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 18, 2023, 03:13:35 PM
at this point, I cannot root for byu.  they deserve to lose every game forever after how they’ve shot themselves in the foot today
It’s really hard for bad teams to win games

Yup, it is, oh well.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 18, 2023, 03:14:52 PM
We want Ok. St. to lose, right?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: bananaeater on November 18, 2023, 03:27:24 PM
We want Ok. St. to lose, right?
I have no idea any more. 
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 18, 2023, 03:41:51 PM
I think we want them to lose, but like you, I'm a dumbass.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 18, 2023, 03:54:20 PM
https://twitter.com/goodforanother/status/1725992905741861256
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 18, 2023, 03:56:41 PM
Yea we definitely want those whiny bitches to lose
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 18, 2023, 03:58:13 PM
Houston had OSU knocked out in the first quarter but then got one of the dumbest taunts in college football history
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 18, 2023, 04:31:50 PM
Seriously, how did we lose to Okie State. I hate it even more cause had we won it's win out and we got this no prob.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 18, 2023, 04:40:12 PM
Seriously, how did we lose to Okie State. I hate it even more cause had we won it's win out and we got this no prob.

We felt the same re: losing to them. We should have won.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 18, 2023, 04:46:46 PM
Something in the stool water, which I believe is where they played all their difficult opponents.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 18, 2023, 05:23:09 PM
Seriously, how did we lose to Okie State. I hate it even more cause had we won it's win out and we got this no prob.
Pick 6 with less than a minute left in the half.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 18, 2023, 05:43:11 PM
Welp, seems like Houston decided to Houston. It was nice while it lasted.

6 o'clock looms.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 18, 2023, 06:04:06 PM
That game was textbook Holgerson.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 18, 2023, 09:37:55 PM
Goodnight sweet Prince :frown:
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 18, 2023, 10:14:38 PM
I hope our Cats come out and punish ISU for letting us down like this.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 18, 2023, 10:24:22 PM
Just lowered the asking price for my ISU game tickets :frown:
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 18, 2023, 10:41:11 PM
So I'm a bit of a dim bulb, has it definitely been decided that we won't win the tiebreaker now even if we win out?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 18, 2023, 10:46:29 PM
So I'm a bit of a dim bulb, has it definitely been decided that we won't win the tiebreaker now even if we win out?

Only way for us to get in now is for both Oklahoma schools to lose.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 18, 2023, 10:59:56 PM
That's sad
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 18, 2023, 11:50:29 PM
BYU soaking at winning today was a real bummer.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: bshea85 on November 18, 2023, 11:52:48 PM
Both Oklahoma schools played like absolute garbage today.  There's still hope.  Who knows, maybe TTU can upset Texas?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 19, 2023, 12:20:22 AM
Tech is stepping up to their preseason hype, and they'll be crazed for a chance to get last tags on the Horns.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: KITNfury on November 19, 2023, 06:33:11 AM
Looks like we need OSU and one of UT/OU to lose also. Slim chance for both to happen.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 19, 2023, 08:47:12 AM
Looks like we need OSU and one of UT/OU to lose also. Slim chance for both to happen.

Yeah, I don't have much hope at this point, just win and see what happens. BYU and Houston could've done big favors but oh well
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: pissclams on November 19, 2023, 09:24:01 AM
it looks like we might not back2back but if even in our down years we get 9-10 wins, i’m ok with it I guess
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 19, 2023, 11:59:48 AM
it looks like we might not back2back but if even in our down years we get 9-10 wins, i’m ok with it I guess

Our floor is definitely being raised
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: pissclams on November 19, 2023, 12:31:57 PM
it looks like we might not back2back but if even in our down years we get 9-10 wins, i’m ok with it I guess

Our floor is definitely being raised
tbh i’m eagerly waiting for gene to amend the name of the stadium to Chris and Rhonda’s Family and LHC Bill Snyder Stadium.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 19, 2023, 12:56:55 PM
On our down year and we probably still have an outside chance at an NY6 game even if we don’t make the Pepper, right?

Obviously a lot of things need to happen, and Texas would need to make the CFP.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 19, 2023, 01:53:59 PM
I don't see how we have any shot at a NY6 bowl. Texas or Liberty.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 19, 2023, 01:58:48 PM
I think Orlando for us maybe
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 19, 2023, 02:09:13 PM
I think the Alamo would be the best one for us to go to. That way I can just be home and go to everything.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 19, 2023, 02:09:54 PM
Yeah we'll be either Orlando or San Antonio
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 19, 2023, 02:18:38 PM
And hopefully not Houston, seeing us paired against A&M in a Texas Bowl again would be mighty disheartening
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 19, 2023, 02:20:15 PM
UT-NY6
OU- Alamo
OSU - Pop Tart
KSU - Texas
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: IPA4Me on November 19, 2023, 02:25:51 PM
Dang. I'll be in Kentucky for the Texas Bowl.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: pissclams on November 19, 2023, 04:14:48 PM
i’m praying for pop tarts

a texas bowl game against a&m is of no interest to me and i’d probably not even watch. 

i really don’t care about any bowls.  there was a time, sure, that I couldn’t wait until the bowl announcement show, but that’s not the case anymore.  i wonder what happened?  the big 12’s shitty bowl agreements maybe killed it.  idk.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 19, 2023, 04:23:24 PM
i’m praying for pop tarts

a texas bowl game against a&m is of no interest to me and i’d probably not even watch. 

i really don’t care about any bowls.  there was a time, sure, that I couldn’t wait until the bowl announcement show, but that’s not the case anymore.  i wonder what happened?  the big 12’s shitty bowl agreements maybe killed it.  idk.

‘lams gets a taste of Sugar and all the sudden everything else just turns to ash
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: pissclams on November 19, 2023, 04:41:55 PM
what can I say, I LOVE THE TARTS!!!
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 19, 2023, 04:47:50 PM
pop tarts are a fantastic product
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: pissclams on November 19, 2023, 05:04:50 PM
#p4pt
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 19, 2023, 05:09:46 PM
Our tie ins do suck balls. I hate how few big 10/Pac (RIP)/ACC we have. Most SEC schools are gross and I don't care. I'd be all in for the pop tarts and would buy a crap ton brown sugar ones if we get it. Plus playing a UNC/NC State would be amazeballs. Wonder though with the Pac going away what tie in changes will occur. Plus going to Florida is waaaaaaay better than Texas
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Spracne on November 19, 2023, 05:24:37 PM
Plus going to Florida is waaaaaaay better than Texas

Is it, though?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 19, 2023, 05:50:27 PM
Unless its NY6 or CFP at this point I'm not even going to have a special snack during a bowl game. Just leftovers.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 19, 2023, 05:56:51 PM
The non-gross elements of Florida greatly outclass those of Texas
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: pissclams on November 19, 2023, 06:08:23 PM
Unless its NY6 or CFP at this point I'm not even going to have a special snack during a bowl game. Just leftovers.
same but i’m hoping for a good snack (little debbie quality) vs bad snack (leftover ramen noodles).
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 19, 2023, 07:05:47 PM
Who would we get in the pop tart bowl, Clemson?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 19, 2023, 08:31:22 PM
Every bowl game should be in california, florida, arizona, or new orleans
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 19, 2023, 08:32:11 PM
And bring the aloha bowl back
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 19, 2023, 08:50:32 PM
We can get in the Dr.P with a loss. Wild ass scenario though. These non division mega conferences are really rough ridin' stupid

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Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 19, 2023, 08:56:24 PM
Every bowl game should be in california, florida, arizona, or new orleans

Las Vegas can stay too. Texas gotta go tho.

Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 19, 2023, 09:14:14 PM
We can get in the Dr.P with a loss. Wild ass scenario though. These non division mega conferences are really rough ridin' stupid

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I think it's safe to say the big 12 is not rooting for a 4 way tie


https://x.com/max_olson/status/1726403954743955756?s=46&t=tYwTUm4s0RPJhorbucsbBg
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 19, 2023, 09:14:30 PM
Every bowl game should be in california, florida, arizona, or new orleans

Las Vegas can stay too. Texas gotta go tho.

Yes, I forgot about vegas
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 19, 2023, 09:21:56 PM
I'm so disappointed that I can't cheer for a 6 way tie, the entire world outside of OU, OSU, and K-State should though.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: nicname on November 19, 2023, 09:47:48 PM
Every bowl game should be in california, florida, arizona, or new orleans

Las Vegas can stay too. Texas gotta go tho.
/
What's wrong w/ Texas (in a dome of course)?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MadCat on November 20, 2023, 10:50:43 AM
If Texas wins out what are the chances it gets into the CFP?  If so, we (Big 12) get more money, right?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 20, 2023, 10:54:43 AM
Every bowl game should be in california, florida, arizona, or new orleans

Las Vegas can stay too. Texas gotta go tho.
/
What's wrong w/ Texas (in a dome of course)?

Mostly gross (Houston and DFW). I could be talked into San Antonio/El Paso though. Like nothing screams fun about going to Texas for a bowl game.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 20, 2023, 10:57:44 AM
i had a great time at the 2011 cotton bowl despite it being in arlington and also despite getting our asses kicked by pig aggie.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 20, 2023, 11:08:11 AM
If Texas wins out what are the chances it gets into the CFP?  If so, we (Big 12) get more money, right?

I think it completely depends on the SEC champ game and how the committee reacts to a possible Bama win over Georgia?

If Texas wins out, and Alabama beats Georgia, you'd have to think Texas jumps Georgia (and the loser of Mich/OSU, and whichever of Wash/Oregon doesn't win the P12).
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 20, 2023, 11:15:31 AM
FSU losing their QB kind of makes things interesting. Otherwise I would have said UT was on the outside looking in.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 20, 2023, 11:16:07 AM
12 teams was actually perfection for a conference size
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 20, 2023, 11:19:58 AM
if osu loses, we would lose a 2-way tiebreaker with OU based on them defeating UT, correct?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 20, 2023, 11:38:09 AM
Yea the highest ranked common opponent is UT and they win that tie break
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2023, 11:52:25 AM
We need OSU and OU to both lose.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 20, 2023, 11:53:59 AM
We need OSU and OU to both lose.
If that happened if I'm being honest I think it would bring me as much joy from the lols as it would from ksu making the dr pep
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 20, 2023, 11:55:47 AM
No idea what happens if Texas loses and there is a 4 way tie. At that point, the Big 12 should put out another clarification that KSU and OSU make the championship game.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 20, 2023, 12:04:54 PM
We need OSU and OU to both lose.

- IF they both lose, we are in the Dr. Pepper.
- IF they both win, we are most likely looking at the Pop Tarts/Camping World bowl at best.
- IF just OSU loses, no DP and Alamo Bowl?
- IF just OU loses (and then Texas beats OSU in CCG/makes CFP), no DP but I still think there is a chance we could sneak into an NY6 (just let me wish)
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 20, 2023, 12:22:35 PM
No idea what happens if Texas loses and there is a 4 way tie. At that point, the Big 12 should put out another clarification that KSU and OSU make the championship game.

Texas & OSU

Texas is in no matter what. The 4 way tie for first isn't the chaos scenario, that's actually a fairly easy scenario. The chaos scenario is the 6 way tie for second that I noted.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 20, 2023, 01:53:09 PM
12 teams was actually perfection for a conference size

I liked when we were 10, significantly less ambiguity. 12, or more is fine, but you gotta have some sort of division to make it work or less you have this mess. But then again you get garbage divisions like big 10 West.

When we go to 16 it's going to be even worse.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 20, 2023, 02:08:57 PM
Yeah, 10 was the absolute best. I love round robins.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2023, 03:01:01 PM
Yeah, 10 was the absolute best. I love round robins.
I get why we added the ccg but really the round robin champion is the absolute best way to identify and reward the best team
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MadCat on November 20, 2023, 03:18:52 PM
how about 20 teams, 2x 10-team divisions, full round robin in division and CCG for the best from each?  I don't like the idea of being locked into a division though, so there can be a rotation of members between both divisions with protections for cherished rivalries or something like that
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 20, 2023, 03:21:40 PM
10 is the best.

Since we'll never go back to that. Does that mean 20 (2x 10 team divisions) is the right number for a mega-conference in football?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Shooter Jones on November 20, 2023, 03:22:20 PM
how about 20 teams, 2x 10-team divisions, full round robin in division and CCG for the best from each?  I don't like the idea of being locked into a division though, so there can be a rotation of members between both divisions with protections for cherished rivalries or something like that

Good timing.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MadCat on November 20, 2023, 03:29:57 PM
#1HayJock  :cheers:
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2023, 03:08:57 PM
10 is the best.

Since we'll never go back to that. Does that mean 20 (2x 10 team divisions) is the right number for a mega-conference in football?

Yeah
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 22, 2023, 11:48:08 PM
TL;DR

No
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 24, 2023, 11:56:22 AM
TCU needs to stop being a piece of crap and win this game.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: nicname on November 24, 2023, 12:20:42 PM
Missed the 2x10=20 talk, and totally agree. Would be awesome.

Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 24, 2023, 12:25:44 PM
Man eff TCU
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 24, 2023, 12:47:13 PM
Only hope at this point is the Big 12 deciding they shouldn't change their rules on week 10 of the season, after all.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 24, 2023, 12:50:47 PM
This conference deserves a red river rivalry 2.0 in Arlington tbh
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 24, 2023, 12:55:49 PM
OU is kicking TCU's ass, sad.  I do love some Sawchuck; that RB knows how to spin off tackles; it's a great style and art to gain more yards than any non-spinners.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: cfbandyman on November 24, 2023, 01:01:06 PM
Well, it was fun to dream while it lasted.

We are though going to have a lot of years coming up were we're in the chase for the pepper
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 24, 2023, 01:23:00 PM
Even if we don't make the CCG, it's nice to be in the running.  Also, we are ranked higher than OU and OSU, with Texas as the only one higher, so WITF are we not in the Dr. Pepper?  We lost to the number 7 and no. 9 ranked teams by a FG each and lost to OSU by a TD and we are the highest-ranked 3-loss team in the top 25, so again, WITF aren't we in the Dr. Pepper?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 24, 2023, 01:36:06 PM
Damn, I'm enjoying the OU/TCU game.  TCU is looking good in the 2nd half.  Also, TCU's RB is looking good, as this is his fourth TD in the last four games.  Just thinking, the Big XII has some mighty fine RBs this year.  We're kind of changing from a QB-throwing conference to an RB-running one.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 24, 2023, 02:07:50 PM
What a day for RB Bailey; he has run for 188 yards today and BTW he led the conference last year for YPR @8.1.  Sony hit gold with this Ragin' Cajuns star. 
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 24, 2023, 02:09:46 PM
I'm hoping Sawchuck is out of gas since he's done nothing in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 24, 2023, 02:13:26 PM
I can see why daddy Stoops is so proud of his 6 yr game-time son.  I had heard he is on his way to OU's all-time receiver, but he's at no. 14 from the top.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 24, 2023, 02:29:25 PM
The stars are on the sideline today with all-time no. 1 LB @OU there enjoying the game.  I didn't see or hear about star country singer Toby Keith being on the sideline, as he is a usual attendee of the home games.  Also, I saw him on the Country Awards show the other day and he has lost his large manly physical shape, due to his battle with cancer.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: nicname on November 24, 2023, 02:37:59 PM
OU and UT double-birding the rest of the B12 on their way out the door isn’t very fun to have to stomach. Worse when our Cats had every opportunity to be there in Arlington instead of at least one of them.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Katpappy on November 24, 2023, 02:42:15 PM
Jees, 3rd quarter looked great for TCU and now 4th quarter is all OU.  Maybe TCU's QB Hoover will make something out of this drive.  BTW, I just can't believe Spykes got Hoover from Alabama, straight from the loving arms of Saben.   ;)
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 24, 2023, 03:17:10 PM
OU and UT double-birding the rest of the B12 on their way out the door isn’t very fun to have to stomach. Worse when our Cats had every opportunity to be there in Arlington instead of at least one of them.

OU needs OSU to lose to get into the game.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 24, 2023, 03:54:50 PM
At first I was relieved bc I saw the score and was like “oh that’s  crazy tcu and OU are playing each other in basketball the same weekend they play each other in football” but then, alas, I realized the truth
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: nicname on November 24, 2023, 04:08:27 PM
OU and UT double-birding the rest of the B12 on their way out the door isn’t very fun to have to stomach. Worse when our Cats had every opportunity to be there in Arlington instead of at least one of them.

OU needs OSU to lose to get into the game.

Thank goodness.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Trim on November 24, 2023, 04:49:53 PM
Given KSU’s role as measuring stick, gatekeeper, etc., OSU will get the nod one way or another.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2023, 01:00:44 PM
This conference deserves a red river rivalry 2.0 in Arlington tbh

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/gswsH2I4U4u6Q/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b952h07rq583879j379h0tj6c6v6gw3uxh3ipm0rc76a&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 25, 2023, 02:48:54 PM
If osu loses they might as well change the tiebreaker rule again.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 25, 2023, 02:49:19 PM
It’s just business after all …
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: EMAWzifried on November 25, 2023, 04:06:39 PM
OSU is just dreadful. How did we ever lose to these clowns?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 25, 2023, 04:15:21 PM
I hope BYU hangs 50 on these whiny bitches.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 25, 2023, 04:16:23 PM
I mean if we don't win it, I don't give a crap who does.  Doubt I even watch it.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 25, 2023, 04:27:37 PM
The REAL SEC championship game is being played in Arlington.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 25, 2023, 04:32:08 PM
I mean if we don't win it, I don't give a crap who does.  Doubt I even watch it.
CCGs the Cats don't play in are boring and pointless. There is a 0% chance I watch.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 26, 2023, 03:05:08 PM
Ends up this is a totally forgettable season filled with bad losses and zero good wins.

Oh well
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2023, 05:59:02 PM
Ends up this is a totally forgettable season filled with bad losses and zero good wins.

Oh well

There's no way this is serious, right?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 26, 2023, 06:12:45 PM
Which part is wrong? I'm open to rethinking this.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: michigancat on November 26, 2023, 06:41:23 PM
I'd argue we had exactly one "bad" loss and one "good" win
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 26, 2023, 08:49:26 PM
The mizzou loss, even tho it's against mizzou, is way less bad looking back now. They are actually pretty good and we played like ass that game. I'm actually pretty pissed about last night and the Texas game still irks me.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 26, 2023, 08:53:25 PM
We were in the Big 12 title hunt until the final game of the regular season and didn’t lose a single game by more than one possession. It takes a solid team and some good luck to have an exceptional season and all we had was a solid team this year.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 26, 2023, 09:20:43 PM
It's ok to be disappointed that we finished 5th place in a year we probably should have finished 2nd place.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 26, 2023, 09:31:24 PM
I'd argue we had exactly one "bad" loss and one "good" win

The fact that I don't reflexively know which these two are kind of argues against that
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: chum1 on November 26, 2023, 09:52:01 PM
I think it's fair to say that the team lost several games they should have won, but didn't win any that they should have lost.

Good team, could have had a better season.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 26, 2023, 10:36:43 PM
I'd argue we had exactly one "bad" loss and one "good" win

Exactly. Did I fall into a coma and we became 1990s Florida State and no one told me? We have never ever and I don't think we'll ever be in the position of calling losses to top 20 teams, bad losses. Two of those losses are to top 10 teams, I've of which might be playing for a national championship.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2023, 06:21:22 AM
I'd argue we had exactly one "bad" loss and one "good" win

The fact that I don't reflexively know which these two are kind of argues against that

I think it argues that you might not be playing super close attention. 3 of the 4 losses were on the road to top 20 teams! The other was a home loss to Iowa State. Think about it!

Kansas is clearly the best win but I could possibly be swayed to say it isn't "good"...but I don't know why anyone would do this unless they want to feel worse about the season to win an argument or something
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 27, 2023, 08:31:38 AM
I've really enjoyed this season so far. Just a handful of plays away from going back to defend our Pepper.
There could be a very fun bowl game in our future as well. Iowa St loss was very weird but whatever.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Kid In the Hall on November 27, 2023, 08:34:36 AM
The correct answer to our best win is actually Troy, which will be 11-2 after winning the Sun Belt title on Saturday with their only other loss by 2 points to James Madison. Pretty decent chance they'll finish 12-2 and in the top 25.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: michigancat on November 27, 2023, 08:42:23 AM
The correct answer to our best win is actually Troy, which will be 11-2 after winning the Sun Belt title on Saturday with their only other loss by 2 points to James Madison. Pretty decent chance they'll finish 12-2 and in the top 25.

forgot about that one but I think KU on the road might be better (bonus for rivalry game)
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 27, 2023, 09:31:15 AM
Our best win is whoever snowbrag says it is imo
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2023, 09:57:58 AM
I've really enjoyed this season so far. Just a handful of plays away from going back to defend our Pepper.
There could be a very fun bowl game in our future as well. Iowa St loss was very weird but whatever.

Couldn't agree more
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2023, 09:58:19 AM
The correct answer to our best win is actually Troy, which will be 11-2 after winning the Sun Belt title on Saturday with their only other loss by 2 points to James Madison. Pretty decent chance they'll finish 12-2 and in the top 25.

forgot about that one but I think KU on the road might be better (bonus for rivalry game)

I'm with Rusty here
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 27, 2023, 10:02:13 AM
ku was playing their third string qb.  so while we should all be happy that we won, it was not a good win.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 27, 2023, 10:15:19 AM
ku was playing their third string qb.  so while we should all be happy that we won, it was not a good win.
Daniels has yet to play half a season and Bean owns KU’s best wins, so calling him a second stringer is a bit disingenuous.

Bean was dressed for the game. The coaches made the decision that Ballard gave them a better shot to win, and they were probably right.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 27, 2023, 10:17:55 AM
ku was playing their third string qb.  so while we should all be happy that we won, it was not a good win.
Daniels has yet to play half a season and Bean owns KU’s best wins, so calling him a second stringer is a bit disingenuous.

Bean was dressed for the game. The coaches made the decision that Ballard gave them a better shot to win, and they were probably right.

I think Bean was on the Reggie Ray concussions countdown like in that Not Another Teen Movie (2001) filme
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on November 27, 2023, 10:31:07 AM
ku was playing their third string qb.  so while we should all be happy that we won, it was not a good win.
Daniels has yet to play half a season and Bean owns KU’s best wins, so calling him a second stringer is a bit disingenuous.

Bean was dressed for the game. The coaches made the decision that Ballard gave them a better shot to win, and they were probably right.
As someone who lived through the Kody Cook Experience, I'm really tired of this "third string quarterback" talking point. If I was a Hawk fan, I would be very embarrassed by this.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 27, 2023, 10:53:04 AM
Our best win is whoever snowbrag says it is imo

troy

#5 L
#16 L
#20 W
#31 W
#32 L
#51 L
#61 W
#66 W
#69 W
#96 W
#125 W
FCS W
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: nicname on November 27, 2023, 11:01:30 AM
+1 pt for a good win
0 pts for a neutral win or loss
-1 pt for a bad loss

@KU was a good win, vs ISU was a bad loss. All other games were neutral imo.

What’s odd is that every loss was quite excruciating, and nearly every win was an absolute blowout.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: kim carnes on November 27, 2023, 11:03:28 AM
ku was playing their third string qb.  so while we should all be happy that we won, it was not a good win.
Daniels has yet to play half a season and Bean owns KU’s best wins, so calling him a second stringer is a bit disingenuous.

Bean was dressed for the game. The coaches made the decision that Ballard gave them a better shot to win, and they were probably right.

You’re the one being disingenuous by just making stuff up
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 27, 2023, 11:05:32 AM
Ends up this is a totally forgettable season filled with bad losses and zero good wins.

Oh well

There's no way this is serious, right?

i wouldn't say the season was filled with bad losses. they dominated 7 games, and went 1-4 in one score games against decent teams. maybe by "bad" lib meant "painful" or something.

as for the wins, if you want to hang your hat on beating Troy and/or Kansas as wins we will look back fondly on 2023, you might be alone there but i certainly won't stop you.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 27, 2023, 11:49:56 AM
Yeah I read “bad” in that context to be painful/should have won.

With the exception of ISU, all our losses came down to the final possession against top 25 teams. Call it unlucky or just coming up short but there’s nothing truly “bad” about it.

If this were basketball, I’d feel pretty good about this team making a deep postseason run. There’s just no room for error in CFB.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 27, 2023, 12:10:06 PM
Say what bowl are we looking at now?  Something gross like Liberty or Texas?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 27, 2023, 12:19:53 PM
I've been hearing a lot that the pop tarts bowl is where we are going. I wanted to go but idk if I will if it's in Orlando.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 27, 2023, 12:23:35 PM
pop tarts bowl vs ND / nc state / miami would completely rule
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 27, 2023, 12:26:33 PM
Especially if it's AJ first career start.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2023, 12:48:38 PM
The Pop Tarts rep was in Manhattan 4 times and sat in on Klieman's post game press conference
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: DaBigTrain on November 27, 2023, 12:51:13 PM
I was looking at tickets and they aren't bad from TX but the timing is bad if I'm gonna be back in KS for Christmas, because tickets are ridiculous out of KC to Florida this time of year.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 27, 2023, 01:13:42 PM
Pop tart would be great.  I was worried a loss would knock us back in the pecking order ( or does that even matter anymore)...
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 27, 2023, 01:15:17 PM
Pop tart would be great.  I was worried a loss would knock us back in the pecking order ( or does that even matter anymore)...

i think to the rest of the world we are indistinguishable from iowa state
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: pissclams on November 27, 2023, 02:19:09 PM
i’m praying for pop tarts

a texas bowl game against a&m is of no interest to me and i’d probably not even watch. 

i really don’t care about any bowls.  there was a time, sure, that I couldn’t wait until the bowl announcement show, but that’s not the case anymore.  i wonder what happened?  the big 12’s shitty bowl agreements maybe killed it.  idk.
still praying for pop tarts but worried this loss will punish us
do we deserve to tart? at this point i’d say maybe.

#pray4poptarts
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 27, 2023, 02:21:28 PM
Pop tart would be great.  I was worried a loss would knock us back in the pecking order ( or does that even matter anymore)...

i think to the rest of the world we are indistinguishable from iowa state
To the world, yes. To someone who has paid attention to college football the last 10-20 years, no way.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2023, 02:28:32 PM
Pop tart would be great.  I was worried a loss would knock us back in the pecking order ( or does that even matter anymore)...

No, that doesn't matter and hasn't for some time. Remember K-State, Iowa State and the Cheez-It Bowl?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2023, 02:28:52 PM
https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1729212392511287471
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MadCat on November 27, 2023, 02:30:15 PM
I think the losing team should get to have the crust
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 27, 2023, 02:31:11 PM
Didn’t Iowa state get selected over us a couple years ago bc their AD like promised they would sell their allotment and then some?

Like we had the better record and it was the better bowl, but we were still far enough down on the ladder that the bowls could opt for whomstever they wanted to invite?

I just remember feeling very :confused: that a bowl could choose between us and Iowa state and they took Iowa state on purpose
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MadCat on November 27, 2023, 02:35:51 PM
I don't think anything quite felt as bad as bowl selection in 1998
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: MakeItRain on November 27, 2023, 02:38:34 PM
Didn’t Iowa state get selected over us a couple years ago bc their AD like promised they would sell their allotment and then some?

Like we had the better record and it was the better bowl, but we were still far enough down on the ladder that the bowls could opt for whomstever they wanted to invite?

I just remember feeling very :confused: that a bowl could choose between us and Iowa state and they took Iowa state on purpose

Yeah, like I just said, the Cheez-It Bowl in 2019, it was actually the Camping World Bowl then but yeah if the bowls weren't in order we would have been picked.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: mocat on November 27, 2023, 03:40:30 PM
irl craving a pop tart rn
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Hullabaloo on November 27, 2023, 04:19:52 PM
ESPN and CBS projection are both the Texas Bowl in Houston
ESPN vs. Texas A&M
CBS vs. Kentucky
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Brock Landers on November 27, 2023, 04:31:58 PM
I think the losing team should get to have the crust

I was going to say they should have to eat unfrosted Pop Tarts but crust only is a punishment too.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: ben ji on November 27, 2023, 05:48:29 PM
ESPN and CBS projection are both the Texas Bowl in Houston
ESPN vs. Texas A&M
CBS vs. Kentucky

Gross, I do NOT want to play aggie aggie again and Kentucky is just an easy win.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Pete on November 27, 2023, 07:16:19 PM
It would be fun if we played a PAC team.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 27, 2023, 07:25:36 PM
It would be fun if we played a PAC team.

Couldn’t agree more, Pete. As an (alive) human person whom has attended several bole games against sec opponents, I don't think our AD fully understands the emotional/physical toll it takes having to interact with those fan bases
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: CHONGS on November 28, 2023, 08:09:57 AM
Independence Bowl = :frown:

If WVU gets the Pop Tart that'll sting.

Although I have a hard time believing we'll be 7th in the picking order.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 28, 2023, 10:36:05 AM
Independence Bowl = :frown:

If WVU gets the Pop Tart that'll sting.

Although I have a hard time believing we'll be 7th in the picking order.

Ok but in fairness, west Virginians probably eat a lot more poptarts than kansans
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: wetwillie on November 28, 2023, 10:40:40 AM
Can't we send WVU to the Coal Miners Bowl or some crap
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 28, 2023, 10:55:41 AM
My biggest thing is I want a bowl that doesn't kickoff at like 8:30 pm central. If we're not in a NY6, kickoff time is what matters.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: muqluk on November 28, 2023, 12:07:54 PM
And day, to a lesser extent
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2023, 01:19:43 PM
My biggest thing is I want a bowl that doesn't kickoff at like 8:30 pm central. If we're not in a NY6, kickoff time is what matters.
I have young children so honestly late evening for me is second only to NYE afternoon.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 28, 2023, 02:41:44 PM
The worst would be Christmas Eve. No thanks.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 28, 2023, 02:48:33 PM
Who knew cf3 hates watching the cats with his family so much?
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 28, 2023, 02:53:29 PM
Who knew cf3 hates watching the cats with his family so much?

Christmas Eve has too many moving parts. Usually an extended family gathering, church, making sure all the presents are ready, making sure the food is ready for the next day, cleaning the house for guests etc.
Title: Re: 2023 Dr pepper still in reach?
Post by: catastrophe on November 28, 2023, 05:25:20 PM
Christmas Eve is on Sunday this year, which I assume lessens some of those other obligations. There is stiff competition with NFL games, though. Same with NYE now that I look at it. They'll probably try to push the college games later for that reason.