Why is DJamer Giddens Not Talked About More?

[Cire]

I can't refute the small part but they definitely aren't inexperienced.

Yep. But we know they were backups for a reason. Relying on 5th year players who couldn't crack the starting lineup was probably the tell, but I get hoping they would be good based on who they previously backed up.

This was kind of my point.

Also think that defenses have figured Riley out and he doesn’t have an answer. That first half performance off of the bye was pretty damning


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[MakeItRain]

I can't refute the small part but they definitely aren't inexperienced.

Yep. But we know they were backups for a reason. Relying on 5th year players who couldn't crack the starting lineup was probably the tell, but I get hoping they would be good based on who they previously backed up.

This was kind of my point.

Also think that defenses have figured Riley out and he doesn’t have an answer. That first half performance off of the bye was pretty damning


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I think a serious conversation needs to be had as to whether you can be the offensive line coach and the o coordinator, at the same time. Barring a total collapse, I think he'll get at least one more season, but I think the combo of kind of dull play calling coupled with all of the o line mistakes that pappy pointed out, is real concerning.

[catastrophe]

This is why you bump this thread for those not in the know

[EMAWzifried]

I'm sure it's just a coincidence, DJamer is more effective when we also attack the edge.

[ben ji]

Random Musing: Does DJamer go pro after this year or does he come back for a chance at breaking Sproles rushing record? I don't know much about his family so I'm not sure if he has an EMAW heart like Lockett/Avery/Jordy/etc where he grew up rooting for the Katz or if he is just a kid who grew up in KS.

- From a quick google search it looks like he is going to be around a 5th round draft pick if he left this year. He lacks the breakaway speed elite RB's need in the NFL but he could basically be Kareem Hunt but 10 years younger. Just rip off 10-25 yard plays and catch passes. 

- Do we drop a huge NIL bag on him to stay or just an average bag? We have Edwards and Jackson who both look like they could step right in and provide a similar production....Remember Klieman's first year when Harry Trotter was a decent RB for us?!?

- I love how low key DJamer is, he seem's like he's just really good at playing football but if all things were equal and he could get a NIL bag and recognition for going cat fishing he would totally do that too.

In summary I hope he comes back and gets a NIL bag from Bass Pro Shops.

[nicname]

He will probably go pro, though I would greatly enjoy another season of rooting for him as a Cat. It would just be really tough to improve on what he has already showcased at KSU.

I think we’re in good hands with Jackson, and Edwards is an added bonus. I’d be a lot more nervous if we didn’t have Jackson. Imo Edwards is not a feature back in any way, shape or form, though he is a nice weapon.

[EMAWzifried]

He should stick around and learn how to block. His weakness on at that is going to hurt him in the draft/pros.

[Kid In the Hall]

FWIW, both the Athletic's draft guru and PFF have Giddens as a top 100 player, which is pretty good considering this is considered to be a deep draft for RBs.

If he's truly a 3rd-4th round pick, it's hard to see him improving significantly to the point where he was rated in the 1st-2nd round (even if the draft next year is weaker for RBs).

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Where do you rank DJamer all-time among KSU running backs?

[cfbandyman]

He will probably go pro, though I would greatly enjoy another season of rooting for him as a Cat. It would just be really tough to improve on what he has already showcased at KSU.

I think we’re in good hands with Jackson, and Edwards is an added bonus. I’d be a lot more nervous if we didn’t have Jackson. Imo Edwards is not a feature back in any way, shape or form, though he is a nice weapon.

Edwards is a CEH style RB. He's a great weapon if used right but yeah, not a every down guy.

Where do you rank DJamer all-time among KSU running backs?

That's tough, He's great, and I love him, but he's at least behind Sproles, Scoby, Thomas, Hubert, and Deuce. I'm sure there are a few more. He's probably a fringe top 10. 

[Kid In the Hall]

Come on - Giddens is better than Hubert (and it's not particularly close).

Last 30 years (not old enough to know about old timers beyond that)
1.Sproles
2.Vaughn
3.Thomas
4.Giddens
5.Barnes (behind only Sproles & Giddens in ypc)
6.Scobey
7.Hubert
8.Johnson
9.Hickson
10.Smith

Just missed: Lawrence, Gallon

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Come on - Giddens is better than Hubert (and it's not particularly close).

Last 30 years (not old enough to know about old timers beyond that)
1.Sproles
2.Vaughn
3.Thomas
4.Giddens
5.Barnes (behind only Sproles & Giddens in ypc)
6.Scobey
7.Hubert
8.Johnson
9.Hickson
10.Smith

Just missed: Lawrence, Gallon

This looks about right to me. It would have been interesting to see Daniel Thomas and Alex Barnes play in offenses that made defenses account for a more robust passing game.

[yoga-like_abana]

I'd take DT over Deuce. I SAID WHAT I SAID!

[Kid In the Hall]

I'd take DT over Deuce. I SAID WHAT I SAID!

If he had played 3 years, I think that'd be a near unanimous opinion

[Stevesie60]

Random Musing: Does DJamer go pro after this year or does he come back for a chance at breaking Sproles rushing record? I don't know much about his family so I'm not sure if he has an EMAW heart like Lockett/Avery/Jordy/etc where he grew up rooting for the Katz or if he is just a kid who grew up in KS.

Jordy grew up a squawk. Which makes it extra hilarious that he walked on here, because I'm assuming that means that KU wouldn't even let him walk on.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

I'd take DT over Deuce. I SAID WHAT I SAID!

If I've said it once, I've said it 100 times. DT getting fed over and over during 4Q of the 2009 KU game is one of my all-time favorite KSU football memories.

[nicname]

I'd take DT over Deuce. I SAID WHAT I SAID!

Same.

[Cartierfor3]

Ranking Hubert over DJamer is koo koo. DJamer is a much better and more complete back.

[Stevesie60]

I feel definitive that Sproles is Tier 1 by himself, then Tier 2 has Giddens, Vaughn and Thomas. And the distance between Tier 1 and Tier 2 is smaller than the distance between Tier 2 and Tier 3.

[nicname]

Rushmore tier - Sproles, Thomas, Vaughn, Giddens

And there is some pretty good separation of these guys to those fourth down the list.

[nicname]

I feel definitive that Sproles is Tier 1 by himself, then Tier 2 has Giddens, Vaughn and Thomas. And the distance between Tier 1 and Tier 2 is smaller than the distance between Tier 2 and Tier 3.

Pretty much this. Go back and look at Sproles’ game logs. Little Tank wasn’t just a nickname.

I actually think Dan Thomas was far more valuable than his statistics show, and he had pretty good stats too. Like, if you put him on any of our best teams, aside from maybe Sproles years that team be even better.

[ben ji]

Hubert was basically TEMU Sproles/Vaughn.

1. Sproles
2. Duece
3. DT
4. Giddens (if he comes back he can easily pass DT and maybe Duece)
5. Hubert

WGAF after that.

[star seed 7]

Scobey you idiot

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Kinda crazy how sproles achieved god-tier status his junior year and then his senior year honestly kinda sucked. Or at the very least it didn’t come anywhere close to equaling what he did as a jr, let alone building on it.

If memory serves I think he was the preseason front runner for the heisman and was completely out of the conversation before the end of September. We were also incredibly bad his senior year so that all makes perfect sense.

[steve dave]

Kinda crazy how sproles achieved god-tier status his junior year and then his senior year honestly kinda sucked. Or at the very least it didn’t come anywhere close to equaling what he did as a jr, let alone building on it.

If memory serves I think he was the preseason front runner for the heisman and was completely out of the conversation before the end of September. We were also incredibly bad his senior year so that all makes perfect sense.

Having a Roberson in the backfield is a hell of an advantage


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