2022 Non Cats College Football Games Discussion Thread

[BIG APPLE CAT]

I’m confused what does it gain you to call a fair catch? Just that they can’t tackle you (assuming you field it cleanly)

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I’m confused what does it gain you to call a fair catch? Just that they can’t tackle you (assuming you field it cleanly)

The halo rule. The kicking team can't be within 3 feet of you as you catch the ball or it's a penalty.  That's a lot of room on an onside kick scrum.

[MakeItRain]

That's wrong, the halo rule has been gone for years. You do, however, get the chance to cleanly field the ball without interference. On the play against Tech, not only did Oklahoma State get the ball, even though tech recovered it, but Oklahoma State also got an additional 15 yards of field position for kick catch interference.

[Justwin]

You can call a fair catch even if the ball is driven into the ground first.

What's most heads up about this play is it isn't something the coaches told him to do coming out of a time out in the middle of the game. This onside attempt was completely out of the blue, smart kid.

You can call for a fair catch if it's driven into the ground, but the referees are not going to grant you the opportunity for a fair catch.

[Rage Against the McKee]

You can call a fair catch even if the ball is driven into the ground first.

What's most heads up about this play is it isn't something the coaches told him to do coming out of a time out in the middle of the game. This onside attempt was completely out of the blue, smart kid.

You can call for a fair catch if it's driven into the ground, but the referees are not going to grant you the opportunity for a fair catch.

I'm pretty sure most referees are going to follow the rule book and grant you the opportunity to catch the ball.

[Justwin]

You can call a fair catch even if the ball is driven into the ground first.

What's most heads up about this play is it isn't something the coaches told him to do coming out of a time out in the middle of the game. This onside attempt was completely out of the blue, smart kid.

You can call for a fair catch if it's driven into the ground, but the referees are not going to grant you the opportunity for a fair catch.

I'm pretty sure most referees are going to follow the rule book and grant you the opportunity to catch the ball.

Is the NCAA different than the NFL on this?

A Fair Catch is an unhindered catch of a scrimmage kick that has crossed the line of scrimmage and has not touched the ground, or of a free kick that has not touched the ground, by a player of the receiving team who has given a valid fair-catch signal.

[Justwin]

You can call a fair catch even if the ball is driven into the ground first.

What's most heads up about this play is it isn't something the coaches told him to do coming out of a time out in the middle of the game. This onside attempt was completely out of the blue, smart kid.

You can call for a fair catch if it's driven into the ground, but the referees are not going to grant you the opportunity for a fair catch.

I'm pretty sure most referees are going to follow the rule book and grant you the opportunity to catch the ball.

Is the NCAA different than the NFL on this?

A Fair Catch is an unhindered catch of a scrimmage kick that has crossed the line of scrimmage and has not touched the ground, or of a free kick that has not touched the ground, by a player of the receiving team who has given a valid fair-catch signal.

Invalid Signal
ARTICLE 3. An invalid signal is any waving signal by a player of Team B:
a. That does not meet the requirements of Article 2 (above); or
b. That is given after a scrimmage kick is caught beyond the neutral zone,
strikes the ground or touches another player beyond the neutral zone (A.R.
6-5-3-III-V); or
c. That is given after a free kick is caught, strikes the ground or touches
another player. [Exception: Rule 6-4-1-f

[Rage Against the McKee]

According to the NCAA rule book, “a fair catch of a free kick is a catch by a Team B player who has made a valid signal during an untouched free kick.” Additionally, the rule book states that “during a free kick, a player of the receiving team in position to receive the ball has the same kick-catch and fair-catch protection whether the ball is kicked directly off the tee or is immediately driven to the ground, strikes the ground once and goes into the air in the manner of the ball kicked directly off the tee.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/oklahoma-state-player-uses-fair-catch-to-exploit-rule-book-and-ruin-a-texas-tech-onside-kick-202747283.html

[BIG APPLE CAT]

wow so Sean was allegedly this special teams genius and yet i do not recall anyone on our hands team ever signal for a fair catch on an onside kick, absolutely pathetic.

[Justwin]

According to the NCAA rule book, “a fair catch of a free kick is a catch by a Team B player who has made a valid signal during an untouched free kick.” Additionally, the rule book states that “during a free kick, a player of the receiving team in position to receive the ball has the same kick-catch and fair-catch protection whether the ball is kicked directly off the tee or is immediately driven to the ground, strikes the ground once and goes into the air in the manner of the ball kicked directly off the tee.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/oklahoma-state-player-uses-fair-catch-to-exploit-rule-book-and-ruin-a-texas-tech-onside-kick-202747283.html

So if it's driven into the ground, hits the ground twice (or more), no fair catch?

[Rage Against the McKee]

According to the NCAA rule book, “a fair catch of a free kick is a catch by a Team B player who has made a valid signal during an untouched free kick.” Additionally, the rule book states that “during a free kick, a player of the receiving team in position to receive the ball has the same kick-catch and fair-catch protection whether the ball is kicked directly off the tee or is immediately driven to the ground, strikes the ground once and goes into the air in the manner of the ball kicked directly off the tee.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/oklahoma-state-player-uses-fair-catch-to-exploit-rule-book-and-ruin-a-texas-tech-onside-kick-202747283.html

So if it's driven into the ground, hits the ground twice (or more), no fair catch?

I think you can fair catch if it is driven into the ground for a big bounce, but if it's a grounder that takes a weird hop, you can't fair catch it.

[Justwin]

According to the NCAA rule book, “a fair catch of a free kick is a catch by a Team B player who has made a valid signal during an untouched free kick.” Additionally, the rule book states that “during a free kick, a player of the receiving team in position to receive the ball has the same kick-catch and fair-catch protection whether the ball is kicked directly off the tee or is immediately driven to the ground, strikes the ground once and goes into the air in the manner of the ball kicked directly off the tee.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/oklahoma-state-player-uses-fair-catch-to-exploit-rule-book-and-ruin-a-texas-tech-onside-kick-202747283.html

So if it's driven into the ground, hits the ground twice (or more), no fair catch?

I think you can fair catch if it is driven into the ground for a big bounce, but if it's a grounder that takes a weird hop, you can't fair catch it.

Then why the clause in the rule about the ball hitting the ground once? I think if a kicker gets the ball to hit the ground 2-3 times and then pop up high, there would be no fair catch.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, that's what I was saying. A ball that hits the ground 2-3 times and then pops up is a grounder that takes a weird bounce.

[Justwin]

Yeah, that's what I was saying. A ball that hits the ground 2-3 times and then pops up is a grounder that takes a weird bounce.

Ok. That's what I was thinking of in terms of driven into the ground.

[ChiComCat]

According to the NCAA rule book, “a fair catch of a free kick is a catch by a Team B player who has made a valid signal during an untouched free kick.” Additionally, the rule book states that “during a free kick, a player of the receiving team in position to receive the ball has the same kick-catch and fair-catch protection whether the ball is kicked directly off the tee or is immediately driven to the ground, strikes the ground once and goes into the air in the manner of the ball kicked directly off the tee.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/oklahoma-state-player-uses-fair-catch-to-exploit-rule-book-and-ruin-a-texas-tech-onside-kick-202747283.html

So if it's driven into the ground, hits the ground twice (or more), no fair catch?

I think you can fair catch if it is driven into the ground for a big bounce, but if it's a grounder that takes a weird hop, you can't fair catch it.

Then why the clause in the rule about the ball hitting the ground once? I think if a kicker gets the ball to hit the ground 2-3 times and then pop up high, there would be no fair catch.

Kickers are unlikely to be able to consistently have it hit the ground multiple times for a high bounce.  Kickers can consistently nail it into the turf.

[catastrophe]

According to the NCAA rule book, “a fair catch of a free kick is a catch by a Team B player who has made a valid signal during an untouched free kick.” Additionally, the rule book states that “during a free kick, a player of the receiving team in position to receive the ball has the same kick-catch and fair-catch protection whether the ball is kicked directly off the tee or is immediately driven to the ground, strikes the ground once and goes into the air in the manner of the ball kicked directly off the tee.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/oklahoma-state-player-uses-fair-catch-to-exploit-rule-book-and-ruin-a-texas-tech-onside-kick-202747283.html

So if it's driven into the ground, hits the ground twice (or more), no fair catch?

I think you can fair catch if it is driven into the ground for a big bounce, but if it's a grounder that takes a weird hop, you can't fair catch it.

Then why the clause in the rule about the ball hitting the ground once? I think if a kicker gets the ball to hit the ground 2-3 times and then pop up high, there would be no fair catch.

Kickers are unlikely to be able to consistently have it hit the ground multiple times for a high bounce.  Kickers can consistently nail it into the turf.

Which explains why you hardly ever see that. Usually they’re kicked as grounders that bounce several times before going 10 yards.

But to MIR’s point, that’s not what TTU was doing here. They were trying to kick it to an empty space and catch OSU off guard. The returner wasn’t exploiting some obscure rule, they were just playing very heads up to react appropriately.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

If reading correctly, the ball can hit the ground in the neutral zone (within 10 yds from line of scrimmage) and still call a fair catch. Once it hits the ground past the neutral zone, can no longer call for a fair catch.

[michigancat]

Wild to watch a Kansas football game on ESPN2 in New York and see an ad for the Kansas governor race. I don't think I've ever seen that for another state (but I don't watch many non-ksu games)

[michigancat]

ISU's center cheats to draw offsides IMO. I thought I saw it against us and confirmed it against Texas

[wetwillie]

Wild to watch a Kansas football game on ESPN2 in New York and see an ad for the Kansas governor race. I don't think I've ever seen that for another state (but I don't watch many non-ksu games)

Was she on a forklift?

[BIG APPLE CAT]

You guys heard of this Robinson kid at UT? If not he’s a running back and he might be the real deal

[nicname]

I’d like to see ISU clip Texas here. Need their confidence lowered.

[nicname]

ISU being a good road win would be nice.

[I_have_purplewood]

ISU being a good road win would be nice.

Let's see if they can man up now.  I would love to see this upset.

[Pete]

Yep