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arguments for oscar
« on: December 10, 2020, 03:10:44 PM »
+ recruiting!  :Chirp:
+ reason for recent sucking (no solid upperclassmen), is fixed (see above) :cyclist:
+ when he's got good players, he does as good of a job as anyone. bad players, he seems to do worse. but we got good players now! :alleyoop:
+ high-ceiling coach (big 12 titles, elite 8, national title runner-up). BIG GAME oscar  :lightsaber: :Yoda:
+ recruiting! :Wha:
+ way better than asbury and woolridge. arguably similar to frank (but with more ups and downs) :Good vs:
+ defensive wizard  :block:

getting a new coach is a crapshoot. let the guy who's proven he can win with good players do his thing. in 2 years we still may struggle to put 60 on the board, but with this gigantic athletic team, others will struggle to put up 50.


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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2020, 03:39:21 PM »
I 100% respect anyone's view that they do not want oscar because they don't like his style. I find anyone's view that they do not want oscar because they want a more successful coach to be a bit absurd.

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2020, 03:51:25 PM »
2 big 12 championships
Elite 8
5 NCAA Appearances in 8 years

 :dunno:


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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2020, 04:23:01 PM »
oscar has a certain, "je ne sais quoi" that i hate


Cheesy Mustache QB might make an appearance.

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2020, 04:25:16 PM »
I'm convinced  :alleyoop:

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2020, 05:00:24 PM »
2 big 12 championships
Elite 8
5 NCAA Appearances in 8 years

 :dunno:
Anti brucers hate these stats. Especially when the other guy they were obsessed with, is 1 for 8 in tourney appearances. First conference title since 1973! And then he goes on to get another one and ends "the streak" against a school, that hates him, because he put on a funeral for Self when he arrived at Illinois.  :love:

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2020, 06:56:23 PM »
Counterpoints for the sake of BBS’n:


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2 big 12 championships

Both shared. First one was shared with a team that beat us 3 out of 3 times that year. Second time was shared with a team who went on to play in the national championship while we got bumped in the first round by UC-Irvine.



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Elite 8

Significantly less impressive than Frank’s because getting there required the 1 seed in our region to lose their first round game for the first time in human history. (And completely pud other matchups against everyone except Kentucky, and even that year was a 5 seed Kentucky.)


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5 NCAA Appearances in 8 years

Record? (And please don’t K-State0 it up by including play-in games.)
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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2020, 07:06:47 PM »
2 big 12 championships
Elite 8
5 NCAA Appearances in 8 years

 :dunno:



He went to a national championship game at Illinois and got crap canned from there. 
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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2020, 07:09:07 PM »
Someone will have to educate me on why recruiting is a positive.  If you average everything out, seem kinda .500ish to me.  Which, is pretty much oscar.

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2020, 07:14:49 PM »
He had a top 25 class last year, I think we have done that one other time in the last 15 years
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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2020, 07:23:52 PM »
he is squeaky (not squaky) clean

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2020, 07:48:33 PM »
Someone will have to educate me on why recruiting is a positive.  If you average everything out, seem kinda .500ish to me.  Which, is pretty much oscar.
He’s landed more 4 stars/top 150 guys than any other K-State basketball coach in the history of the program.

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2020, 08:07:05 PM »
He had a top 25 class last year, I think we have done that one other time in the last 15 years

Is this grcoat the dudes that are currently endeavoring to end The Streak?

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2020, 08:28:20 PM »
He had a top 25 class last year, I think we have done that one other time in the last 15 years

Is this grcoat the dudes that are currently endeavoring to end The Streak?

Doing it at a high level too
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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2020, 08:31:23 PM »
There are 5 top 150 guys he brought in this year. Two are hurt and there was zero offseason prep due to covid. Literally had to cancel their summer trip overseas. He didn’t land 2 McDonalds AA who could limp into a 11 seed. Love it when the anti brucers come out of hiding and were quiet for years when he was succeeding.

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2020, 08:35:20 PM »
He’s lost the team wacks, its over. I’m really thankful for what he gave us though.  5/9 tournaments is pretty good and the elite 8 run was so much fun.
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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2020, 08:37:02 PM »
+ it's basketball so almost nobody cares. if we aren't overpaying him then wgaf?

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2020, 08:38:19 PM »
+ it's basketball so almost nobody cares. if we aren't overpaying him then wgaf?

How much is over paying?
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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2020, 08:45:55 PM »
He’s lost the team wacks, its over. I’m really thankful for what he gave us though.  5/9 tournaments is pretty good and the elite 8 run was so much fun.
Oh, I know, but the most vocal are the ones who gave up in 2011/12. It’s just annoying seeing them come out of nowhere, pounding their chest now. He’s not gonna get fired this year, btw.
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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2020, 09:16:11 PM »
Just did a 180 on the guy, let's keep him.

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2020, 09:17:35 PM »
+ it's basketball so almost nobody cares. if we aren't overpaying him then wgaf?

How much is over paying?
I say Self, Hugs, Beard and Lon are clearly better and have all taken their current schools to a F4
Shaka, Dixon, Prohm and Boyton have done much less at their current schools
So I put oscar in a tier with Drew who is making $3M at least so oscar at $2.75M or seems about right

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2020, 09:25:36 PM »
I used to be a huge kstate cats fan but now I don't care.  I guess the oscar fans won!
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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2020, 09:25:51 PM »
Sure if you want to pay for prior performance and not where the program is trending. We are the worst program in the league by far and don’t appear to be getting any better.
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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2020, 09:25:59 PM »
There are 5 top 150 guys he brought in this year. Two are hurt and there was zero offseason prep due to covid. Literally had to cancel their summer trip overseas. He didn’t land 2 McDonalds AA who could limp into a 11 seed. Love it when the anti brucers come out of hiding and were quiet for years when he was succeeding.

Yes, he has a very good class his year.  But there are other classes littered with players who did absolutely nothing.  With all the effort oscar puts into recruiting, it’s just feels like the ROI is a little lacking to me.   :dunno:

But let’s see how this class pans out.  Maybe next year it looks amazing. 

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Re: arguments for oscar
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2020, 09:29:40 PM »
I 100% respect anyone's view that they do not want oscar because they don't like his style. I find anyone's view that they do not want oscar because they want a more successful coach to be a bit absurd.

This is becoming an increasingly harder case to make.