Worst K-State Qat Losses of The Modern Era?

[Cire]

I actually agree that with the players, it's fine.  To run it effectively and consistently they're going to have to recruit and coach a heck of a lot better. 

[DQ12]

I actually agree that with the players, it's fine.  To run it effectively and consistently they're going to have to recruit and coach a heck of a lot better.

I think they're recruiting adequately for the system tbh.  It's just that our current personnel isn't cut out for that (or any other system) right now.  Once we get some decent OL in there that can actually run block from time to time or some WRs that can garner respect, or a QB that can make throws, I think we'll be better off. 

People throwing a fit about MESS this year are lfbiq and frankly it's just...sad...really.

[DQ12]

oh the offense is bad?  it can only be the offensive coordinator's fault!

 

[michigancat]

also, obviously the performance sucked, but people are acting like this was a 3-9 Paul Rhodes Iowa State team. They're actually pretty good!

['taterblast]

also, obviously the performance sucked, but people are acting like this was a 3-9 Paul Rhodes Iowa State team. They're actually pretty good!

i'm not ready for that mentally

[MakeItRain]

also, obviously the performance sucked, but people are acting like this was a 3-9 Paul Rhodes Iowa State team. They're actually pretty good!

i'm not ready for that mentally

It's fleeting

[MakeItRain]

Maybe the ceiling against OU is obtainable with better fits/players but the floor needs to be raised as well.  Our offense will finish no better than 3rd to last in any statistical category in the Big 12.

I think we can have a very effective offense that is bottom half on a lot of statistical measures, hell I think that's the best way for us to win, but the offense has to be efficient. It has to be an offense that picks up third downs and doesn't turn the ball over, both things we are very poor at right now. We were in position to beat OSU because Howard was a threat to run and made third downs attainable, didn't protect the ball though. He did neither against ISU.

[michigancat]

Maybe the ceiling against OU is obtainable with better fits/players but the floor needs to be raised as well.  Our offense will finish no better than 3rd to last in any statistical category in the Big 12.

I think we can have a very effective offense that is bottom half on a lot of statistical measures, hell I think that's the best way for us to win, but the offense has to be efficient. It has to be an offense that picks up third downs and doesn't turn the ball over, both things we are very poor at right now. We were in position to beat OSU because Howard was a threat to run and made third downs attainable, didn't protect the ball though. He did neither against ISU.

even with the recent struggles I doubt we finish in the bottom 3 in turnovers.

[DQ12]

Maybe the ceiling against OU is obtainable with better fits/players but the floor needs to be raised as well.  Our offense will finish no better than 3rd to last in any statistical category in the Big 12.

I think we can have a very effective offense that is bottom half on a lot of statistical measures, hell I think that's the best way for us to win, but the offense has to be efficient. It has to be an offense that picks up third downs and doesn't turn the ball over, both things we are very poor at right now. We were in position to beat OSU because Howard was a threat to run and made third downs attainable, didn't protect the ball though. He did neither against ISU.

This is true, but we were also in that position because our defense played lights out most of the night (and also Tylan Wallace was out).  All that to say, yes, we were in a position to win, but scoring 18-25 points isn't going to get done most weeks unless the heavy lifting is being done by the defense. 

It's fair to say that the offense has flat out sucked since Thompson's exit, which shouldn't really be surprising since he was our most important player and one of our 3 or 4 decent players on offense, and his replacement is a true freshman who isn't very good right now.  I don't think any of that is an indicator on whether or not MESS is or isn't a capable OC.

[Dugout DickStone]

oh the offense is bad?  it can only be the offensive coordinator's fault!

 

exact point I destroyed the Boscoe boys with on twitter

[MakeItRain]

Maybe the ceiling against OU is obtainable with better fits/players but the floor needs to be raised as well.  Our offense will finish no better than 3rd to last in any statistical category in the Big 12.

I think we can have a very effective offense that is bottom half on a lot of statistical measures, hell I think that's the best way for us to win, but the offense has to be efficient. It has to be an offense that picks up third downs and doesn't turn the ball over, both things we are very poor at right now. We were in position to beat OSU because Howard was a threat to run and made third downs attainable, didn't protect the ball though. He did neither against ISU.

This is true, but we were also in that position because our defense played lights out most of the night (and also Tylan Wallace was out).  All that to say, yes, we were in a position to win, but scoring 18-25 points isn't going to get done most weeks unless the heavy lifting is being done by the defense. 

It's fair to say that the offense has flat out sucked since Thompson's exit, which shouldn't really be surprising since he was our most important player and one of our 3 or 4 decent players on offense, and his replacement is a true freshman who isn't very good right now.  I don't think any of that is an indicator on whether or not MESS is or isn't a capable OC.

Agreed

[Dugout DickStone]

if they lose to baylor my god, barf

[MakeItRain]

if they lose to baylor my god, barf

Are you setting up for an inevitable meltdown? There is no reason to have any expectations of this team right now. I'm assuming they're going to lose out, including losing a bowl as a 4-6 team, and will be pleasantly surprised if they do otherwise.

[wetwillie]

55-0 at home vs OU would be my choice

[Rage Against the McKee]

2004, blowing a 23-9 4th quarter lead at home against ISU to lose 37-23.

Also 2004, getting destroyed at home by Fresno State. 2004 was just a really rough season to follow 2003 with.

[michigancat]

2004, blowing a 23-9 4th quarter lead at home against ISU to lose 37-23.

Also 2004, getting destroyed at home by Fresno State. 2004 was just a really rough season to follow 2003 with.

all that with a *true* generational player at RB!

[nicname]

if they lose to baylor my god, barf

Are you setting up for an inevitable meltdown? There is no reason to have any expectations of this team right now. I'm assuming they're going to lose out, including losing a bowl as a 4-6 team, and will be pleasantly surprised if they do otherwise.

This is kind of where I'm at, though I'm holding out hope due to the wildness of this Covid season.

We basically trotted out the same team (sum, not parts) against Arkansas State and Iowa State, except we still had Skylar vs ASU. Iowa State ( ) is good, and whipped our asses accordingly.

[yoga-like_abana]

think bubba brown never making it to kstate was truly the greatest cats loss of the modern era

[Pete]

think bubba brown never making it to kstate was truly the greatest cats loss of the modern era

No, it will always be Cody Lee Smith.

[wiley]

yes, messingham and his messfense is absolutely garbage.  Anything works when you have the best players on the field.

I mean, no one saw it coming.

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He worked for Paul Rhodes, and we have K-State fans out here repeating flood aggie talking points. Where's your dignity?

Eh, essentially in the article it noted how he would have one amazing series/quarter and be super frustrating the rest of the way.  Feels like that part hasn't improved much.

Cool. Who's the offensive coordinator that would get more points out of this team? I don't even like mess to be honest, but y'all acting like he's turned 2016 Texas Tech into Rice.

Mess is ultimately fine.  I think he's actually pretty creative with alot of his play designs.   
Ive complained since last year that he goes Snyder 2.0 conservative play calling during stretches.  Then we have to hope for defense/ST to have a huge play to bail them out. Thankfully for statie, it seems to be happen alot.

Last year at Texas is the one that comes to mind.  14 points first 2 drives on great play calls.....then nothing until Youngblood returned one in the 4th.

I'll admit when he came with Klieman I wish he would've hired Polacek.  But talking to enough Bison fans i was convinced Mess was a much better OC.

[MakeItRain]

yes, messingham and his messfense is absolutely garbage.  Anything works when you have the best players on the field.

I mean, no one saw it coming.

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He worked for Paul Rhodes, and we have K-State fans out here repeating flood aggie talking points. Where's your dignity?

Eh, essentially in the article it noted how he would have one amazing series/quarter and be super frustrating the rest of the way.  Feels like that part hasn't improved much.

Cool. Who's the offensive coordinator that would get more points out of this team? I don't even like mess to be honest, but y'all acting like he's turned 2016 Texas Tech into Rice.

Mess is ultimately fine.  I think he's actually pretty creative with alot of his play designs.   
Ive complained since last year that he goes Snyder 2.0 conservative play calling during stretches.  Then we have to hope for defense/ST to have a huge play to bail them out. Thankfully for statie, it seems to be happen alot.

Last year at Texas is the one that comes to mind.  14 points first 2 drives on great play calls.....then nothing until Youngblood returned one in the 4th.

I'll admit when he came with Klieman I wish he would've hired Polacek.  But talking to enough Bison fans i was convinced Mess was a much better OC.

This is also my issue with him. 3rd quarter versus Arkansas State and OSU were disgusting.

[CHONGS]

I have a funny feeling this thread is going to get a lot of action over the next few years (if this BBS lasts that long of course).

[MakeItRain]

I have a funny feeling this thread is going to get a lot of action over the next few years

Not if apathy sets in. If what you think will happen actually happens either tonight or last week will be Klieman's Waterloo.

[Pete]

I have a funny feeling this thread is going to get a lot of action over the next few years

Not if apathy sets in. If what you think will happen actually happens either tonight or last week will be Klieman's Waterloo.

Do you mean Abba's hit song that won Eurovision and launched their international career to new heights? 

[nicname]

This one was Rhoadsesque